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| I have 15,125 miles and it runs great. With two up I get 45 miles to gal and single up 46.5. I have a 09 vision and I also use Amzoil full synthetic and it is great also keep temp down and the clutch hooks up better |
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Ruskin, Fl | Must be nice. I have 34,000 and run Mobil 1 and am lucky to get 40. I think I found the problem, it's located in my right wrist. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | I have noticed a 10% drop in mpg since it got cold. I was getting around 42, now 37 mpg. I blame it on the deflectors being set to maximum now. Can't get past warp 8 now either. |
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| New vision new here i thought you COULD NOT run full synthetic oil, screw up clutch and things.What grade of
oil ie 10/40,20/50 5/30 ?
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New Orleans, La, | TRELL 20/50w is what is recommended and a guideline rather than a rule I follow is, running a lighter weight oil usually is not harmful but trying to run a heavier weight oil will. the reason being the max recommended wt. oil is just that, a max. Heavier oil will take longer and be more difficult to get to and protect those parts away from the sump and the pump until the heat of combustion and friction decrease its' viscosity to the point at which it does flow freely. This is not much of an issue in warm weather but considerable when the mercury goes south. With that being said I run Rotella T6 full syn.. in my '08 VV without issue and it is 15/40w and I do live in the deep south. |
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Ruskin, Fl | It has to be motorcycle oil, JASO MA rating. It is designed for wet clutches. Manual calls for 20W40. The mobil 1 comes in 10W40 and 20W50. I've used both, depending on time of the year.
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Pittsburgh, PA | TRELL - 2011-11-24 8:18 AM
New vision new here i thought you COULD NOT run full synthetic oil, screw up clutch and things.What grade of
oil ie 10/40,20/50 5/30 ?
Here is an example of a full synthetic Motorcycle oil that alot of people run including myself...
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mcf.aspx |
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| I have a 08 vv and get 45 mpg if I stay under 70 mph and if I go above it I drop to 39 mpg. I have spent a day in back roads with 12 other guys and never did above 60 cause of the switch backs and how many there were of us and I pulled in 53 mpg.
I use amsoil 10w40. From all that I have read at start up is when you do 90% of your motor wear. Never ever start your motor and rev it up that does more harm the running at 125. Let the other guy rev his motor. Guys the get clutch slipping are not telling all is my be-leaf |
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Simpsonville, SC | I have used the 20w50 amsoil for a year and no clutch slippage at all. My gas mileage is 40 mpg + or - 2 mpg, all of it is back road joy riding, no trips... yet. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I might switch back to this on the next change http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/aff.aspx
however, I'm getting any knock now on start up now, so I'll probably stay with Rotella 5w40 that works well. |
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Jasper, MO | TRELL - 2011-11-24 8:18 AM
New vision new here i thought you COULD NOT run full synthetic oil, screw up clutch and things.What grade of
oil ie 10/40,20/50 5/30 ?
What makes you think, that out of ALL the wet clutch motorcycles on the market, that ONLY VICTORY would be the ONE and ONLY motorcycle brand that would have clutch slipping problems if synthetic oil was used? I strongly suspect that those who have had clutch problems with synthetic oil have also added some kind of additive to the oil, and forgot to tell everybody about it, or there were other contributing factors not related to the oil, that were also not mentioned. Sometimes, the bike owner may not tell the tech working on his bike the whole story.
Anyway, I've been running fully synthetic oil in Victory motorcycles for about 10 years now, and I've never had any problems. I use Amsoil 20W/50. My research indicates that in a multigrade oil, the first number is the important one concerning oil weight. The second number indicates the oils ability to resist thinning out when hot. Victory recommends 20W/40. Lots of folks are using synthetic 10W/40 with good results too.
I run the oil to 5000 miles on both my 2000 and 2008 model Victory bikes, which is double the interval of regular, or Victory, oil, which reduces the effective cost considerably. If using anything other than a full synthetic, I strongly recommend that you do not exceed the recommended 2500 mile oil change. The oil breaks down, which is why it needs to be changed. The Amsoil does not break down, even after 5000 miles on it, in my experience anyway.
As has already been stated, the most important thing to remember when choosing an oil for a wet clutch bike is to be sure it is rated JASO-MA. Do not ever put any kind of additives in there. Avoid any oils marketed as "energy saving", since they already have the additives you need to avoid to prevent clutch problems.
As far as gas mileage goes, my bike rarely gets less than 40mpg, and has achieved 50mpg a couple of times under ideal conditions. Cold weather (winter blend gasoline) will cause a small drop in mileage from the summer blends.
Ronnie
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New Mexico | rdbudd - 2011-11-26 7:33 AM
The oil breaks down, which is why it needs to be changed.
I didn't think oil ever "broke down", it just got dirty?
I have considered going to full synthetic (have in other bikes), and never changing the oil. Just change the filter, then top off the oil. Anyone doing that? Perhaps for 10k miles, then send oil off for analysis. Won't chance it while still under warranty, though.
Oh, and keeping on topic, with 'winter gas', running Victory oil, I have dropped back down to the 39mpg range.
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Albuquerque, NM | How did this "gas mileage" thread turn into another oil thread?
I've never worried about gas mileage. I'd ride my vision daily if it was down to 15mpg. Is everyone basing their mileage on the computer MPG readout or by mileage divided by gallons in? Which one is the most accurate? I plan on trying the pulstar plugs and would like to get a baseline mpg to gauge any improvements. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Almost everything turns into an oil thread.................. 
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | When stock I got 42-43 cruise set at 70, computer showed 45-46. Now with Lloyds 116 HP engine it gets 38-39 cruise set at 70, computer says 42-43. Seems computer is always 3-4 MPG optimistic on mine.............. |
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Chattanooga, TN | If you're thinking running your oil forever, I'd recommend sending off samples regularly to Blackstone Laboratories. Cost is $25 for sample. They will monitor it from a baseline on and you can see how the wear metals increase with time and make sure you don't do any engine damage. I'd be careful whether in or out of warranty, as you will bear all the cost of repair, either way, if the oil caused any engine damage. Amsoil doesn't recommend using oil longer than 2 times the normal interval or 1 year, whichever comes first. Now, for an additional 2 cents, I was talking to a mechanic from Honda the other day and was told that other brands of bikes had clutch slippage which, once the Amsoil was changed, the slippage disappeared. I don't know why, if, when, how, temperature, barometric pressure, or any of that. I'm just passing along the info. Keep it shiny side up and twist it often but don't shake it. |
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New Bohemia, VA | baadawg - 2011-11-26 7:17 PM
If you're thinking running your oil forever, I'd recommend sending off samples regularly to Blackstone Laboratories. Cost is $25 for sample. They will monitor it from a baseline on and you can see how the wear metals increase with time and make sure you don't do any engine damage. I'd be careful whether in or out of warranty, as you will bear all the cost of repair, either way, if the oil caused any engine damage. Amsoil doesn't recommend using oil longer than 2 times the normal interval or 1 year, whichever comes first. Now, for an additional 2 cents, I was talking to a mechanic from Honda the other day and was told that other brands of bikes had clutch slippage which, once the Amsoil was changed, the slippage?disappeared. I don't know why, if, when, how, temperature, barometric pressure, or any of that. I'm just passing along the info. Keep it shiny side up and twist it often but don't shake it.
If I believe the report that some experience noticeable clutch slippage, I can't help to think to things. One, the clutch material is different than those that don't slip. The other is they used the wrong rating or put an additive in. To many experience no noticeable slippage to warrant a reason not to use a full synthetic. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | nailer - 2011-11-26 8:00 AM How did this "gas mileage" thread turn into another oil thread? I've never worried about gas mileage. I'd ride my vision daily if it was down to 15mpg. Is everyone basing their mileage on the computer MPG readout or by mileage divided by gallons in? Which one is the most accurate? I plan on trying the pulstar plugs and would like to get a baseline mpg to gauge any improvements. YEAH !!! Who gives a f**k? Just ride! You want CHEAP - buy a Mo-Ped .... 
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Jasper, MO | nailer - 2011-11-26 10:00 AM
Is everyone basing their mileage on the computer MPG readout or by mileage divided by gallons in? Which one is the most accurate?
I calculate my mileage by hand. The computer MPG readout is pretty optimistic. Stock, mine was always 1.5 to 2 mpg optimistic. It becomes even more optimistic if you have a fuel controller installed. After I got a fuel controller, the onboard computer is always 3 to 4 mpg optimistic now. Figuring it the old fashioned way is the most accurate.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | rdbudd - 2011-11-26 9:53 PM nailer - 2011-11-26 10:00 AM Is everyone basing their mileage on the computer MPG readout or by mileage divided by gallons in? Which one is the most accurate? I calculate my mileage by hand. The computer MPG readout is pretty optimistic. Stock, mine was always 1.5 to 2 mpg optimistic. It becomes even more optimistic if you have a fuel controller installed. After I got a fuel controller, the onboard computer is always 3 to 4 mpg optimistic now. Figuring it the old fashioned way is the most accurate. Ronnie I am 67 years old. And you young bucks are thinking about 'Mileage' ? For whatever your Religions sake - GET A LIFE ! I drive a zillion more miles on the bike just for FUN than I ever would in my car/truck/airplane/ship/submarine/rollerskate - so MILEAGE is an absolute RIDICULOUS subject. People - go play with your children, caress your loved ones - call VARYDER, do sweet and wonderful things! BUT LAY OFF THE IDIOCY OF DISCUSSING OIL/GAS/TIRES ! And It's late, my BC Lions are playing for the OLDEST cup in North American Sports - The Grey Cup - tomorrow. I'm 'pissed' and I love you all ! Well, some exceptions .... 
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| I agree with donetracey....Who gives a %#^@ about gas mileage on a bike...I am 72 years old and have ridden bikes for over 50 years and never once worried about mpg...If you are that concerned about 2 or 3 more mpg get a damn moped or scooter and enjoy....C'mon Man Give me a break!!!!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | geeesh, nobody can talk gas mileage or oil without getting busted on. Now don't anyone dare bring up Car Tires...
However, mpg is good to monitor to detect engine issues. from 36 to 45 is the range for the Vision. If your norm for the driving habits and season drops dramatically, you may have an issue. Other than that, like the geezers say --- ride... |
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| How do you figure gas mileage when it seams like you can't fill up the vision the same way twice |
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