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East TN | I had a "custom" KevinX air breather that he made in his garage when he did my cams 2 years ago. As the right one was never shipped with the cams and stuff...
Anyway, I was doing some work (swapping out iPod cables) and found that the "custom" air filter under the console had fallen apart. I ordered a new Lloydz air filter and went to install it this afternoon....When I ordered it i asked the "stupid question" does it go up or does it sit recessed in the air box.....So when I got everything taken apart and ready to go, I tried to install it based on the way Dan told me at Lloydz. With the air filter sticking UP.....
Here's the STUPID QUESTION: Does it really get installed UP with the Lloydz name up towards the console???
Here are a couple of pictures of the ONLY way I could get it installed due to the bracket in the picture holding what looks like some type of relay...There is no way that I can see or figure out a way to get the air filter to fit with the relay and bracket in the way...Even removing the relay it wouldn't work cause of the shape of the bracket!!
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Phenix City AL. | You have it right LOL. |
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Georgia | Looks like you filled the bottom with some kind of Oil.....so the typical question is, what kind of oil do you use in your intake?  |
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East TN | cryptodogg - 2012-01-10 7:29 PM Looks like you filled the bottom with some kind of Oil.....so the typical question is, what kind of oil do you use in your intake? This is NOT an OIL thread!!! But it would be Mobil1....It's the ONLY oil to use in the air box!!! LOL Thanks for confirming it's right...When I ordered it I asked Dan and he said it would sit up with Lloydz logo showing, just like the picture on Llloydz web site...So I thought I had a problem when it wouldn't go the way he said it should!
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San Clemente | I installed one a while ago and I just assumed it would go the way you installed it. But now hearing the direction you got it may make sense as the filter would take some valuable air box volume. I'm going to call them today. |
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Camas Washington | Ordered mine and it is being delivered today. Always thought the only way it would fit is by recessing it into the hole. Having the filter sticking upward does not allow any room under the radio, am I correct here? |
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Phenix City AL. | Look at the vicshop by 101ci and he has a pic of it installed, goes down into the box, or look up the install guide for the filter on lloydz web site. |
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| So you really think this could go up? Use air filter oil from K&N
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San Clemente | I just called Lloydz. He swears it goes up. There are no install guide on the web site. |
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| I just called Ness and asked them and the tech said it goes with the filter element inside the frame. Its basically the same setup as Lloydz and that's how I mounted mine. Could we have all done it wrong? I just don't see how it would fit but then again, I haven't tried it. Maybe Lloydz is different enough that it would fit???
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East TN | There is NO WAY it would fit on my '09 with the filter UP!!! See the first picture...The bracket and the relay (??) are in the way...I took the bracket apart from the relay and even without the relay housing the bracket impedes the filter chassis from sitting aligned with the holes for the screws...
So NO it won't fit with it UP!!!! |
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| That makes sense.
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East TN | mackgoo - 2012-01-11 3:01 PM I just called Lloydz. He swears it goes up. There are no install guide on the web site. He (Lloydz) includes an install sheet for the air filter, but there is no statement on which way the filter goes in...I tried to call them yesterday but they were closed when I called 5:08 PM EST That's why I posted it here asking what I thought was a STUPID question...
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San Clemente | I just tried installing filter up. No way. There's not enough clearance to get the center console down. |
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San Clemente | Just to set the record straight. The he was Dany. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Lol!!! Installing it Up???? !! LOL |
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| No way that filter can be installed up and it will only fit in the frame 1 way for the bolt holes to align. |
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| Sorry about the misinformation given out yesterday regarding the Vision Intake Filter. It does go face down.
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| Funny post guys. We have to learn to add commonsense to what we do.
If you need commonsense they sell it just over the next hill |
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| Much ado about nothing :-)
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East TN | john frey - 2012-01-11 2:11 PM So you really think this could go up? Use air filter oil from K&N No I don't but when the vendor says it goes a certain way, you follow what the "expert" says to do...Even though in the real world it doesn't it...When that occurs you turn to the internet where people help each other on forums such as this one.
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Simpsonville, SC | Is the new air filter quieter than the old one? |
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East TN | gcefalo - 2012-01-14 6:36 AM Is the new air filter quieter than the old one? Don't know....It's been snowing since I did the swap out...Might go riding tomorrow if the weatherman is right...Which is not the norm....I'll post something if I do go for a ride!
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| my 2009 vision has a filter in the very front is this an additional filter in the frame work that will need to be changed out also |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | mikev - 2012-01-17 2:52 PM
my 2009 vision has a filter in the very front is this an additional filter in the frame work that will need to be changed out also
Yes mikev, under the center console there is a cover plate over an opening in the intake manifold (the bike's cast frame, really) on a stock bike. Lloydz determined that shape of this intake manifold really adds turbulence to the air going to the throttle body, and that on performance motors the bike runs out of air at higher rpms. So he designed an additional intake filter to replace the cover plate. It has the benefit of adding more air for increased HP at higher rpms as well as smoothing out air flow to the throttle body. Initially his design was a foam filter sandwiched between 2 flat frames. His latest design is what we are talking about (and pictured above) here. The new filter is similar to a K&N filter in design. It never needs replacing. Just clean it with special oil and put it back in. I doubt it needs to be cleaned very often unless you run in very dusty or rainy locales.
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Troy, NY | Thanks Jedi for the clarification on this. I have Lloydz original intake plate and wasn't sure if getting the new one would be beneficial. It looks like it does. I'll probably order one soon. Thanks! |
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elgin mn | I have the old loydz filter someboy show me some proof or numbers on paper I am happy with mine! |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Jedi Jeff - 2012-01-17 12:27 PM mikev - 2012-01-17 2:52 PM my 2009 vision has a filter in the very front is this an additional filter in the frame work that will need to be changed out also Yes mikev, under the center console there is a cover plate over an opening in the intake manifold (the bike's cast frame, really) on a stock bike. Lloydz determined that shape of this intake manifold really adds turbulence to the air going to the throttle body, and that on performance motors the bike runs out of air at higher rpms. So he designed an additional intake filter to replace the cover plate. It has the benefit of adding more air for increased HP at higher rpms as well as smoothing out air flow to the throttle body. Initially his design was a foam filter sandwiched between 2 flat frames. His latest design is what we are talking about (and pictured above) here. The new filter is similar to a K&N filter in design. It never needs replacing. Just clean it with special oil and put it back in. I doubt it needs to be cleaned very often unless you run in very dusty or rainy locales. So, what is the recommended time/mileage frame for cleaning this air filter? as it much more of a PITA to do compaired to the front air filter. It's not like you can check it on your pretrip. |
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Camas Washington | Put mine in over the weekend, with snow I have not had a chance to run the bike. My only complaint is on the top left bolt, it is not long enough to go through the 2 bracket plates and the filter body. I think ness provides extending bolt, Lloyde should also. |
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| Riverdawg - 2012-01-18 11:15 AM Put mine in over the weekend, with snow I have not had a chance to run the bike. My only complaint is on the top left bolt, it is not long enough to go through the 2 bracket plates and the filter body. I think ness provides extending bolt, Lloyde should also. Go back and check what you did mine is plenty long and I have never read any post where the bolts were not long enough. The plate is the same thickness as stock. You must of missed something.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Nozzledog - 2012-01-17 11:33 PM
?So, what is the recommended time/mileage frame for cleaning this air filter? as it much more of a PITA to do compaired to the front air filter. It's not like you can check it on your pretrip.
No interval has been specified but I would imagine it's gotta be longer than the main filter which gets lots of gunk from the road. At least the Intake plate filter is sheltered from the road but it will still see dust/rain. In other words, your guess is as good as mine!
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San Clemente | When I called asking about re use and using a K&N service kit they said they would have a kit out soon and it would be good for 30K. I'll look/clean along with the 5K and after that based on condition I may do every other then check/adjust. |
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Troy, NY | I installed the new Lloydz intake filter. I had Lloydz original intake plate. I have ridden a couples times both city and highway driving now. The new intake filter is quieter than the first - the intake noise is more muffled. I feel the throttle response what a bit better too. The new filter will be able to be taken out and cleaned. I don't think the old one could be taken out, without bending the shit out of it. I used a chisel to get the old intake off...it was the silicone seal stuff that was the issue. The new filter didn't call for it. I think it is worth to do the switch even if you have the first one! |
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Danville, CA | ness is quieter in my opinion.. Had both.. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i have the old one and right now i see no real reason to get the new one. From what i read there is no performance difference. and even the noise difference it so little lloyd doesnt make claims of it being more quiet.. i was able to wash mine. the same way you would wash a Uni -air filter. i washed mine when i removed it from the 08 and put it on the 11 vision.. |
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| I talked to LLoyd when the new one came out and other than the new one being a bit quieter there's no real difference. And I like the noise the old one makes. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | even if the new one is quieter, Really think about it.. how much quieter could it actually be? think about it.. the old one has 2 big circles with a Uni type sponge air filter. the new one also has a large opening but has k&n type cotton as its filter. so the difference is cotton vs sponge.. im sure there is no Night and Day difference.. sound travels through just about anything. im sure Cotton is not stopping anything.. =) |
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Moravia, IA | I kinda like the noise.....grrr......my motor is sucking AIR!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | All this talk of noise --- on a motorcycle --- duh! While I won't say, that's the point, noise, I will say, that's the price of freedom on the open road. This thread reminds me of folks that say they love and support their country and the military, then complain about the noise when they live near a military base. Really people, modify and ride... |
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