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Brighton, TN | Not sure how that is gonna pan out? Maybe just call it THE BANDIT or SNOWMAN.
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| You can see the latest bike from Victory on the Victory home page (www.victorymotorcycles.com) starting at 11:30 a.m. [Eastern time] (10:30 a.m. CST) today, Jan. 20.
Also, a new custom bike "Tattoo" created by Brian and Laura Klock and the team at Klock Werks, will be unveiled at the New York Int'l. Motorcycle Show (IMS) at 5 p.m. today (EDT).
You'll see photos of this bike on the Victory Facebook page shortly after the bike is revealed.
A Zach Ness custom version of the new Victory will be unveiled at the IMS on Saturday, Jan. 21, at noon Eastern time, and it, too, will be featured shortly thereafter on the Victory Facebook page.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Introducing the Victory Judge, priced at $13,999.
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Brighton, TN | Looks good and hopefully rides good. Slick trick with putting the classic car lines and rims into the promo video. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Natick, MA | Only a 140 width rear tire, seams strange to me.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/victory/2013-victory-judge-p...
Edited by DanPorges 2012-01-20 10:58 AM
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Salinas, Ca. | Return of the SC.......... |
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Iron Butt
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New Bohemia, VA | I think the thing I like the most about Victory motorcycles is how they keep the engine clean of visible clutter. This bike just took that to a new level, nothing intimidating about wanting to ride it, but I'm sure it is a menance on the highway. In keeping with the muscle car theme, it is a sleeper. I see the appeal of Victory for the coming year. Here comes the Judge.... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Rear fender reminds me of a sportster. What is that football shaped thing under the seat?? |
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Orlando, FL | Yea, what the freak is that oval under the seat? I'm disappointed, especially after seeing the V Sport, a naked rocket that XRSteve posted in another thread. Now THAT was a hot bike. I look at the JUDGE and just want to YAWN~ Actually, I did yawn when I saw it. I mean really, where's the creativity that brought about the Vision? Where's the "cutting edge"? Seems it's lost and instead they are now using a cookie cutter. There are so many possibilities and this is what they come up with? No balls with this one. Personally I'd rather have a Vegs, a Kingpin, A High Ball, a Hammer, or best of all, a Vision!! Wait a minute........ OMG~ I HAVE A VISION!! It's in my freaking garage! OMG~ I'm going for a ride!! Bye bye~ LOL
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2012-01-20 11:54 AM
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | I don't think many of us will ever appreciate a traditionally designed bike ever again, because of the Vision. |
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| Is this the new Ness bike ???
Some have ask about entry level bike I think this is it. |
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New Orleans, La, | I personally like it and it probably is Victory's answer to the Harley Dyna series. I loved my first Victory, a Sport Cruiser, and long for one today. Honestly if the Judge was available when I started looking for my vision I know I would not have VV now. I admit I love my VV but I also like a "standard" motorcycle. I am a little disappointed that the "mid" controls are more less forward than mid to me and they could have done the motorcycle equivilent of a gastric bypass and cut the weight to something under 600 lbs. I also would have prefered 17 in. to the 16 in. that way it could shod it with sport touring rubber and a second disc set up up front would have been nice but I guess that would have moved it away from its' target entry level market. Who knows maybe it is the way it is so that you could buy from Victory the things I mentioned to customize it. Just thinking out loud via cyber space. |
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Memphis | ScoreBo - 2012-01-20 12:00 PM I don't think many of us will ever appreciate a traditionally designed bike ever again, because of the Vision. I'm with you there, ScoreBo. The Vision was such a nuke, I don't think Victory has really recovered from it. The X-bikes were a nice aftershock that were a whole lot easier for the mainstream to swallow. The tube framed bikes are all a mix and match of existing stuff. As long as Polaris/Victory is making money and will stick around, I don't care what they build. Playing it safe is smarter from a business sense. The Vision got my juices flowing on so many levels but it was just a flash in the pan at this point. On one hand, I really wish Victory would push the envelope again. (They could have made the Judge out of a CORE frame/chassis.) On the other hand, I'm glad they continue to play it safe because that makes my Vision all that more exotic and futuristic. |
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Natick, MA | I agree with V92SC, it would have made a lot of sense to at least give it 17's. It would have kept a very similar appearance, but opened the market to better tire options for those of us who really RIDE the bike |
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New Bohemia, VA | I've been accused of being a cheerleader for the Vision, but with that in consideration, I have an appreciation for all two wheel machines. I love the Vision, the comfort and the ride, but I would love to have an Indian Chief sitting in the garage. My wife asked if I was to get one, would I ride it everyday. My answer to that was no, only because I would want to keep it pristine, but I would ride it at least 5,000 to 6,000 miles a year. The Vision would still be my "love to ride everyday" bike. The Judge is a product of a smart Victory vision for the future growth. If they had to survive on the Vision alone, I'm sorry, but they would have already shut the doors.
Victory knows you have to grow folks into motorcycle riding, and they are doing well. I like the comment someone made not long ago on another forum that most riders are hobby riders. So most would give up riding on a whim, and it takes a long time to decide to buy a bike. Who is going to buy a $24,000 bike right off the bat having never rode before or ride very little. $14,000 is a chunk but it is a start.
If I had never thought about Victory before, I wonder if I came across this forum or theVMC would I even think about buying a Victory. It just seems most of the those who ought to be champions for the brand criticize more than they praise the good they are actually doing. Sounds like those guys who ride the other bike.
Edited by varyder 2012-01-20 1:33 PM
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | DanPorges - 2012-01-20 8:56 AM Only a 140 width rear tire, seams strange to me. http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/victory/2013-victory-judge-preview-91210.html[/QUOTE] Only seems strange. Larger rear tires 'slow' steering response - smaller tires will provide better handling. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Is there a full spec sheet available ?? It looks relatively small, might be fun with a Lloyds motor in it........Not a sport bike by any means though, kinda "standard" looking, that MAY not be bad.......... The 16" wheels ?? wonder why they did that ?? |
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New Bohemia, VA | XRsteve - 2012-01-20 2:32 PM
Is there a full spec sheet available ?? It looks relatively small, might be fun with a Lloyds motor in it........Not a sport bike by any means though, kinda "standard" looking, that MAY not be bad.......... The 16" wheels ?? wonder why they did that ??
specs on the victory website - seems you can already order it... | Battery | 12 volts / 18 amp hours | | Bore x Stroke | 101 x 108 mm | | Charging System | 38 amps max output | | Clutch | Wet, multi-plate | | Compression Ratio | 9.4 : 1 | | Cooling System | Air / oil | | Displacement | 106 ci / 1731 cc | | Engine Type | 4-stroke 50° V-Twin | | Exhaust | Staggered slash-cut dual exhaust with crossover | | Final Drive | Carbon Fiber Reinforced Belt | | Fuel Capacity | 4.5 gal / 17.0 ltr | | Fuel System | Electronic Fuel Injection with dual 45mm throttle body | | Oil Capacity | 5.0 qts / 4.75 ltr | | Primary Drive | Gear drive with torque compensator | | Transmission | 6-speed overdrive constant mesh | | Valve Train | Single overhead camshafts with 4 valves per cylinder, self-adjusting cam chains, hydraulic lifters | | Dry Weight | 660 lbs / 300 kg | | Ground Clearance | 4.7 in / 120 mm | | GVWR | 1151 lbs / 522 kg | | Length | 92.0 in / 2337 mm | | Rake/Trail | 31.7o / 6.7 in / 170 mm | | Seat Height | 25.9 in / 658 mm | | Wheelbase | 64.8 in / 1647 mm | | Front Suspension | Conventional telescopic fork, 43 mm diameter, 5.1 in / 130 mm travel | | Rear Suspension | Single, mono-tube gas, cast aluminum with rising rate linkage, 3.0 in / 75 mm travel, preload adjustable spring | | Brake System Type | Conventional | | Front Braking System | 300mm floating rotor with 4-piston caliper | | Rear Braking System | 300mm floating rotor with 2-piston caliper | | Front Tire | 130/90 B16 67H Dunlop 491 Elite II-RWL | | Front Wheel | 16 x 3.5 in | | Rear Tire | 140/90 B16 77H Dunlop 491 Elite II-RWL | | Rear Wheel | 16 x 3.5 in | | Colors | Gloss Black; Sunset Red; Suede Nuclear Sunset |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Thanks just found it, I was wrong with my accessment: It looks kinda small but it's not: it weighs 660 lbs dry and the wheelbase is 64.8", Hmmm a perfect competitor to a standard Harley Dyna SuperGlide, except NOW the Harley has a better choice of tires, that's kinda backwards, however the SOHC 106 will still stomp a TC pushrod 103 stock vs. stock........ |
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Parkersburg WV | Has anyone else noticed that in the video the car is a '71, '72, or a '73 Chevy Camero instead of a Pontiac GTO Judge ? Who are they trying to kid ? I like the bike though.
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Parkersburg WV | Don't knock a Vision till you ride one. Theirs no better ride out there !!!!!!!!
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Brighton, TN | I agree with you, Songfan, Call it the JUDGE with the CORE concept in mind. Now that'll get you going again and might be one of those gotta have it bikes. I could see with the CORE turning it more into a sportbike on steroids. I like the bike, but as has been said, I was looking for a little more WOW factor like the Vision.
OUt of Curiousity, when was the last WOW bike prior to the Vision?
The creation of the modern Sportbike late 80's? |
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New Orleans, La, | Correction pollolittle the sport bike that is responsible for the current sport bike look was the 1981 Suzuki GSZ 1000 Katana designed by Hans Muth of BMW fame. At that time it appeared as polorizing and controversial as the 2008 VV did to the media and the public. It had that WOW factor. |
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Memphis | Put dual discs on the front of the Judge and a bigger rear tire.....oh, wait, that would be a Hammer. |
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Brighton, TN | Yeah that was the idea. Sometime in the 80's. |
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milwaukee wisconsin | nice job on this one i like it you can see some hammer influance looks like its set up for the shorter rider with the mid controls tho !! |
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Duanesburg N.Y. | Nice looking bike, gotta shit can the typical victory after thought exhaust system. It just messes up the whole back side of the bike with those giant mufflers. You would think there must be a way to keep the noise down with out those cans hanging out in space. I was really hoping for an kick ass flat tracker, well maybe next year. |
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New Orleans, La, | I just had an eiphany guys, the Zach Ness version is the one that will have the 17 in wheels, sport rubber, light weight crank, an overall weight less than 620, triple disc, and a cool exhaust. Don't laugh, it might happen tomorrow. After all he is the sport biker of the Ness family. Just saying |
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Lansing, MI |
They should have called it the "Bastard" because it looks like the offspring a Cross Roads and Vegas that drank too much and had a one night stand...
That being said, change the goofy looking side covers / seat with something more normal looking and it would be fairly cool, IMO. Either way, I hope it's a hit and they sell the hell out them.
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Green Bay, WI United States | 116 inch worked over Lloydz with NOS, great stop light bandit. I agree with cook06vegas, it does have a "bastard" look. Taking the damn cans off the exhaust and add some real tires, lowered and a small naked bike type fairing. The pictures don't do much to let you know how it really looks. |
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Jal NM | Great bike but not for me, but I do know people that will want it. |
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2 mi from Jim Beam n KY | I love it! I don't like big rear tires like the 250. This is a bike I would love to have for a 2nd bike!! |
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Central New York | I'm sorry, but that is one ugly bike. Hard to believe a company that designed something like the Vision would release something that looks like a High School project gone ary. |
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Central Nevada | Personally I like it. Back in 84 I bought a new Honda VT500 Ascot, sure reminds of it. Loved the handling and nimbleness. Kinda like an old school superbike, just better, Victory better. |
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elgin mn | kindof dissapointed, I will test ride It though. Maybe my son will like it He is looking! Vision all the way. Pete |
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Lumber Bridge, NC United States | the bike is to new to JUDGE yet |
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Delray Beach, FL United States | <p>I think it looks good, I would like to take it for a spin, would have to change the pipes though!</p><p> </p><p> </p> |
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san antonio, tx | Damn! I like it!
If I could talk Mama into having another bike, I would absolutely consider this one! |
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Ruskin, Fl | The football looking oval under the seat is a number plate. It was on the victory Motorcycles facebook page.
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| I like the new bike but if I get another Victory it will be Vegas. I would like to get an Indian but with one still in college that won't happen for a couple years at least lol. |
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New York State | I had the pleasure of being an owner rep at the NY IMS I was there when the sheet was taken off. I really like the Suade Sunset color it is different.
I sat on the bike I prefer foward controls and bars that reach back to the pilot. I think this bike will appeal to owners of traditional Triumph's |
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| Note to self, don't get excited about victory unvails. Been a let down. Or maybe I'm expecting too much. These are just pieces together parts off other models. Oh well. Just glad I love my vision! |
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New Bohemia, VA | cw1115 - 2012-01-21 6:51 AM
The football looking oval under the seat is a number plate. It was on the victory Motorcycles facebook page.
it can be anything you want it to be --- |
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| varyder - 2012-01-20 2:26 PM
I've been accused of being a cheerleader for the Vision, but with that in consideration, I have an appreciation for all two wheel machines. I love the Vision, the comfort and the ride, but I would love to have an Indian Chief sitting in the garage. My wife asked if I was to get one, would I ride it everyday. My answer to that was no, only because I would want to keep it pristine, but I would ride it at least 5,000 to 6,000 miles a year. The Vision would still be my "love to ride everyday" bike.
My thoughts exactly. Maybe we can get a group buy together! :-) |
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| Trekwolf164 - 2012-01-21 9:23 AM
I had the pleasure of being an owner rep at the NY IMS I was there when the sheet was taken off. I really like the Suade Sunset color it is different.
I sat on the bike I prefer foward controls and bars that reach back to the pilot. I think this bike will appeal to owners of traditional Triumph's
I was there too. Sorry I missed meeting you. |
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Troy, NY | Not a fan. Look at all the cruiser bike Victory has too offer. They all look very similar. I think they would be better served with less bike options but more after market customization. Basically change rims styles, fender styles and a couple other things and you can almost create the cruisers they have are offering. Victory's best bet would be to have a bike in the $12-10k range to differentiate the model pricing. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Check out Zack Ness's custom Victory Judge, it looks much different than the stock Judge.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10710&po... |
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Southeast Iowa | The Judge is nothing more than a Vegas with some fresh skins and tires but at least it has a cool name. The way Victory has been going I thought for sure they would have called it the Cueball, Softball, or Bigball or some other retarded "Ball" name. What's up with Victory's Ball fetish anyway?? All of the bikes launched since the X bikes late 2009 are just tweaks to existing models The Highball, Cross Roads LE, Hardball, and XC Tour are all examples of this. Not a bad move by Victory....it cost a lot to design and engineer a new platform so you might as well make as many variations of it as the consumers are willing to buy. If Victory keeps pace with past product launches we are due for somthing significantly new next year. My guess is they will make a smaller entry level bike that they can spend the next few years creating "Ball" versions of like 8, High and Hard........ |
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northwest florida | yawn!!...reminds me an early buell for some reason. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | one thing that "might be "bad" is.. how many dealers are actually going to have all these different models in stock for someone to see in person? |
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Cleveland, GA | Holy smokes! I LOVE the looks of the red one in the picture. It speaks to me. I will remain true to my one and only Vision, but I want one! |
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Jasper, MO | I kind of like it. I need to see one in person before I decide how well I like it. The 106/6 Freedom motor is a big improvement over the original Sport Cruiser mill. Those are NOT mid-mounted controls on the Judge. The SC has mid-mounted controls. The Judge has forward mounted controls moved slightly back via a bracket. Ain't the same at all. Single front disc?? That's okay for a cruiser, but not a bike with sporting pretensions. Should have had 17" wheels (120 front and 180 or 190 rear) so proper sport-touring tires could be fitted. Just like the original exhaust system on the SC, the pipes suck. Should be 2 into 1 low mount. Maybe touring accessories will be forthcoming for the Judge, but it doesn't look as versatile as the original Sport Cruiser. Sometimes, some of us like to get out of town. The Judge looks like it's meant to stay in town. I'm looking forward to a test ride.
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| Keep in mind guys have ask for it or have said why not. Well this is Vic's entry level bike. When you need to fuel up it doesn't take a lot so it will be cheap and the same when you need a tire 140's are way cheaper then a 180's.
Vic has the bikes now if they will start marketing custom parts and clothing they will become a Major player in the motorcycle world. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Good points John........ |
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Natick, MA | Im not saying it should have a 250 like the hammer, but at least a 150 or 160 would be much more typical and offer quite a bit better rubber selection |
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