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Cruiser
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Okotoks, Alberta | This past weekend it was finally warm enough to take the bike out (9 degrees celsius). Only 1 block of icy road to make it to the dry stuff. So I am idling in first gear, my front tire slides out on some wet ice. I think no problem my tipovers will work. Which they did! Awesome design. This is when things go down hill. I grabbed the rear handle and the handle bar to stand the bike up and the rear handle breaks free. Down goes the bike again. I then grabbed the seat and the the handlebar, get her standing, jump on and ride back home to check what broke. No, it wasnt the bolts that hold the handle but the actual metal (aluminum?) bracket the handles are bolted to.
Has anyone else had an issue with this bracket?
By the way once I figured out the issue I jumped back on her and rode down the sidewalk to the dry road. Being a real Canadian I am not letting a little ice stop me from riding. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | i dont think the passenger grab bar was meant to "lift weight" there is nothing to them i think the main lifting is done from the bars/ using your legs with your back against the bike.. there is a youtube video of a guy showing you how to do it. |
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Cruiser
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Okotoks, Alberta | Actually I had watched that video quite a while ago and yes they say to grab the handle bar and the passenger handle and stand it up. I just watched it again to refresh my memory to make sure I was doing it right. |
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Tourer
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| I see one of 2 options: warranty or insurance claim. |
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New user
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| is folly insurable or even coverd by a warranty? |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I could use a folly clause... |
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Cruiser
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Phenix City AL. | The good news is Ebay has that plate for $49.00. so you might not be that bad off. |
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Iron Butt
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| My buddy had the exact same thing happen on his '09 too. He had it welded back on....
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | My guess is that it was the cold that got ya. Aluminum can be real temp sensitive. |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | That is a new one to me...wow. Cracked the Aluminum....
Ride Safe |
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Visionary
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| Remember there are many "grades" of aluminum. Each is used for special conditions. Aluminum at 9 degrees with 900+ lbs on it. Should the design group increase the cost of manufacture so 1 or 2 people want to ride on ice?
I understand riding in the cold but NOT on ice. 1 foot or 1 block, NOT. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | RedRider - 2012-02-09 6:19 AM Remember there are many "grades" of aluminum. Each is used for special conditions. Aluminum at 9 degrees with 900+ lbs on it. Should the design group increase the cost of manufacture so 1 or 2 people want to ride on ice? I understand riding in the cold but NOT on ice. 1 foot or 1 block, NOT. That's what the "Folly Clause" is for on our insurance policies... However, it is a thought on how to pick up the bike. I've laid mine on the side, intentially and picked it up several times. I grab close in and I'm pulling up with the handle bars at the same time. Doesn't seem it should break under these circumstances, regardless of the tempature...
Edited by varyder 2012-02-09 5:49 AM
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Tourer
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| Without seeing the broken parts , it would be hard to say why it failed. I agree with Varyder that cold will not affect this part....not normal cold . Now if exposed to extreme cold -50F or lower might affect it. Fatigue caused cracking more likely. I also pick mine up after layovers (intensional or unintentional ) by the handlebar /grabbar method no problems yet. |
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Cruiser
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Barefoot Bay, FL United States | The handles are mounted to a plate that bolts to the frame underneath the seat. It will break because the area that the handles mount to is very small. I am speaking from experience. I dissassembled everything, and replaced the plate. I had to drill out the molded stud that is in the handle, and replace it with a bolt that I epoxied in, then cut off the head to length. I also ground out the plastic around the rear mount area so as to be able to unbolt the handle at a later date. It also aided in remounting the handles on the new plate.
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | The aluminum near the handle is weak...good thing I haven't broke mine yet.
If you watch the video "Replace Oil Pressure Switch ", where I lift the Vision at 3:49, I use my legs to lift the Vision....not my back and arms.
I scoot down low so my glutes are pushing into the side of the seat are and walk my feet back. I only used my arms to steady myself.
Like my daddy used to say.....
If you want to know the easiest way to do a job, assign it to the laziest person on the job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OERayu9O74 |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | good video - believe it or not, mine has leaked from day one, ever so slightly, but never enough to leave a drip. I should have had it replaced under warranty, but never mentioned, nor did the dealer, despite it was in the shop for about three services, once for nearly a month and it was leaking then. Oh well. Too simple to fix, so I might order it soon, give it the tip-over treatment, then put the glutes to work, then take 'er for a spin...
Thanks for the tip, no pun intended. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Brantford, ON Canada | Glad to hear that you are OK ,,the bike can be fixed , been out myself lately with the mild winter we are having here as well. Gotta watch out for that black ice.
Ride safe .
I was out your way last summer, stayed in High River,,, good time.
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Iron Butt
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Perry Hall, MD | I was just looking at a 2012 tour (not premium) model and it sure looked and felt like the grab handles were made of plastic. |
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Cruiser
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Okotoks, Alberta | Thanks for the discussion. Couple points though,
1) 9 degrees celsius isnt that cold its actually very close to 50 degrees fahrenheit. If aluminum is subject to failure at that temp they wouldnt be using it to build alot of things we rely on.
2) There is not 900 lbs of force being applied to the handle when you stand it up due to the fact you arent lifting the whole bike and there are 2 contact points; the handlebar and the handle.
3) I dont need someone telling me that I shouldnt be riding on ice.
I have already ordered another piece from victory, they have lots in stock so maybe it happens more than we know. My point was to advise that this piece can break because there are a few guys that lay their bikes over quite often whether to wash it, check stuff or just a good old party gimmick.
Believe me I still love this bike and am not bitching about the bike or going to sell it. Just be aware that this piece can break! |
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Tourer
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| -50F. Is colder than 9C Don't know if you were referring to my post or another....
I agree with you. I fabricate with aluminum . This does not seem to be a widespread problem as of yet. I will watch for this problem though. Fatigue and corrosion are hard on aluminum. But if there is a design problem we need to know. I am currious if the new part is the same thickness . Keep us informed.
Edited by chesshiretuna 2012-02-10 11:58 AM
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Damn Ice