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Columbia, SC | Damn it. I'm having a rough weekend anyway and after leaving the bike over there for 3 days for them to get a 10k service in (and they didn't even get a chance to start it in three days?!?!_) I took it back and bought an oil change kit to do it myself since I can't wait forever for my bike to be waiting for a damned oil change.
So I go to change the oil today, put a 6mm allen wrench in there as per the instructions, and try to loosen it. I end up stripping the part where the allen wrench goes in because it's so damned tight. And the DEAALER was the last person to change my oil (the 7500 mile service).
Now I've got a stripped plug, I need to go bring my documentation showing that they did the last change and yell at the dealer for overtightening the plug, and tell them that they're going to now replace the plug, and change the oil with the oil change kit I have bought for free, and make sure they don't take their sweet-ass time doing it. It's a one or one and a half hour job. And thanks to THEM, I have to get a new oil plug.
NOT how I wanted to start my Sunday.
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Houston, Tx | Had the same thing happen to me on my old Jackpot. I bought a magnetic drain plug so you don't have to use the damn allen head sockets. Found it VERY easy to round out the inside of the stock drain plug. Took it in, they had a bitch of a time getting the old one off. They used my plug, my oil and let me drive off free and clear. They were not happy...but they did it!
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| now that the 6mm doesn't fit try a american allen.
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Central Maryland | Oh great. Last ones to touch my Vision was the dealer as well; after I brought it in for the break in service. I hope they didn't over torque the drain plug as well. Going to find out shortly.... |
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Lansing, MI |
I work on stuff myself and I see this crap all the time. Damn gorillas. Good news is, it really isn't that hard to fix. If a SAE won't fit with some "persuasion" then it can be drilled and removed with an easy out.
Too bad you're not closer to Lansing, MI. I would help ya...
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Most of the time I see this happen; it is because the consumer did not make sure the Allen socket was bottomed out in the plug, or the consumer used a cheapo driver of some type. If the plug has the brass ring on it; it is virtually impossible to tighten it to the point described, and the CASE would be stripped.
Now all that said. Go to sears, and get a good 6mm Allen socket, use a small hammer to tap it all the way in the hole, and remove the drain plug. If you are trying to use a cheesy L shaped thing. You will never get it out |
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Central Maryland | kevinx - 2012-02-12 4:40 PM
Most of the time I see this happen; it is because the consumer did not make sure the Allen socket was bottomed out in the plug, or the consumer used a cheapo driver of some type. If the plug has the brass ring on it; it is virtually impossible to tighten it to the point described, and the CASE would be stripped.
Now all that said. Go to sears, and get a good 6mm Allen socket, use a small hammer to tap it all the way in the hole, and remove the drain plug. If you are trying to use a cheesy L shaped thing. You will never get it out Good advice. I'll remember that. Thanks.
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New Bohemia, VA | willtill - 2012-02-12 5:03 PM kevinx - 2012-02-12 4:40 PM
Most of the time I see this happen; it is because the consumer did not make sure the Allen socket was bottomed out in the plug, or the consumer used a cheapo driver of some type. If the plug has the brass ring on it; it is virtually impossible to tighten it to the point described, and the CASE would be stripped.
Now all that said. Go to sears, and get a good 6mm Allen socket, use a small hammer to tap it all the way in the hole, and remove the drain plug. If you are trying to use a cheesy L shaped thing. You will never get it out Good advice. I'll remember that. Thanks. These type of plugs are a push-over and prone to this if one does not pay attention. I've wonder if I put it in too tight sometimes, but a firm quick snap will break it free. Like Kevin says, if you have the copper, (or brass) ring, you cannot tighten it so much unless you strip the hole. If you have that much trouble, you might also take a good pair of Vice-grips and get it out. Make sure you know what you're doing, or you only make matters worse. |
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Columbia, SC | kevinx - 2012-02-12 4:40 PM
Most of the time I see this happen; it is because the consumer did not make sure the Allen socket was bottomed out in the plug, or the consumer used a cheapo driver of some type. If the plug has the brass ring on it; it is virtually impossible to tighten it to the point described, and the CASE would be stripped.
Now all that said. Go to sears, and get a good 6mm Allen socket, use a small hammer to tap it all the way in the hole, and remove the drain plug. If you are trying to use a cheesy L shaped thing. You will never get it out
Well, problem solved. Just the outer little bit was stripped. After wiggling the allen wrench in some more, VOILA. it opens up (still a little overtorqued, but it was ME that was problem).
Well, I feel a little sheepish - still PO'ed, but this was one of those "straws breaking the camel's back" after a rough weekend, and seeing that outer part strip and whatnot just ticked me off and I gave up right away while throwing my allen wrench as hard as I could at the cement floor of the garage while cursing up a storm. And I'm EXTREMELY laid back, just been a rough patch for a little bit, not getting any better in the foreseeable month or so, and this was NOT helping.
So to recap, allen wrench was NOT in all the way, NOT the dealer's fault, and I almost feel like I owe THEM an apology for all the nasty things I THOUGHT about them. And I'll still order a new drain plug anyway just in case.
Thanks to all for helping me to second and triple guess myself to the point where I got it to work. Now to finish the job so I can have fresh oil for my commute tomorrow.
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New Bohemia, VA | Treat yourself to Rhinehart's tomorrow, it'll make you feel better. Thanks for giving a follow up. |
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Kansas City, MO | Alexi - takes a good man to say, hey - I screwed up!! Good for you - I bet it will all start to get better now ---- at least that is how it works in my life.
Sometimes I need to remember to be grateful I have this beautiful ride to wrench on, and sometimes get pissed at too - because it allways hasnt been this way... |
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Dallas, Texas | For what it's worth..the first oil change that I did (after the 500mi), I switched to this plug..
http://www.magneticdrainplug.com/Motorcycle_Drain_Plugs/MP01.html
No more allen wrench worries. Always replace with a new Polaris crush washer each time too. Works great...nice and snug..torque to specs.
Edited by iluvink 2012-02-12 10:42 PM
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, FL United States | iluvink - 2012-02-12 11:41 PM
For what it's worth..the first oil change that I did (after the 500mi), I switched to this plug..
http://www.magneticdrainplug.com/Motorcycle_Drain_Plugs/MP01.html
No more allen wrench worries. Always replace with a new Polaris crush washer each time too. Works great...nice and snug..torque to specs.
Ordered. |
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Central Maryland | CoolHandLuke - 2012-02-13 12:18 PM
iluvink - 2012-02-12 11:41 PM
For what it's worth..the first oil change that I did (after the 500mi), I switched to this plug..
http://www.magneticdrainplug.com/Motorcycle_Drain_Plugs/MP01.html
No more allen wrench worries. Always replace with a new Polaris crush washer each time too. Works great...nice and snug..torque to specs.
Ordered.
Ditto. Yesterday. Thanks for the link. |
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Simi Valley, CA | Thanks for the tip.... order two, one for the Wife's Vegas and one for my Vision. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | sfalexi - 2012-02-12 7:42 PM
kevinx - 2012-02-12 4:40 PM
Most of the time I see this happen; it is because the consumer did not make sure the Allen socket was bottomed out in the plug, or the consumer used a cheapo driver of some type. If the plug has the brass ring on it; it is virtually impossible to tighten it to the point described, and the CASE would be stripped.
Now all that said. Go to sears, and get a good 6mm Allen socket, use a small hammer to tap it all the way in the hole, and remove the drain plug. If you are trying to use a cheesy L shaped thing. You will never get it out
Well, problem solved. Just the outer little bit was stripped. After wiggling the allen wrench in some more, VOILA. it opens up (still a little overtorqued, but it was ME that was problem).
Well, I feel a little sheepish - still PO'ed, but this was one of those "straws breaking the camel's back" after a rough weekend, and seeing that outer part strip and whatnot just ticked me off and I gave up right away while throwing my allen wrench as hard as I could at the cement floor of the garage while cursing up a storm. And I'm EXTREMELY laid back, just been a rough patch for a little bit, not getting any better in the foreseeable month or so, and this was NOT helping.
So to recap, allen wrench was NOT in all the way, NOT the dealer's fault, and I almost feel like I owe THEM an apology for all the nasty things I THOUGHT about them. And I'll still order a new drain plug anyway just in case.
Thanks to all for helping me to second and triple guess myself to the point where I got it to work. Now to finish the job so I can have fresh oil for my commute tomorrow.
Alexi
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| Another reason I do all the maintenance on my bike. |
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Central Maryland | kris1956 - 2012-02-14 5:57 AM
Another reason I do all the maintenance on my bike.
A Big "YEP" to that. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | willtill - 2012-02-14 7:48 AM
kris1956 - 2012-02-14 5:57 AM
Another reason I do all the maintenance on my bike.
A Big "YEP" to that.
LOL did either of you read the thread?? Dealer did nothing wrong. Problem was a result of customer doing their own service. Though now he has learned from his simple mistake |
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Central Maryland | kevinx - 2012-02-14 5:02 PM
willtill - 2012-02-14 7:48 AM
kris1956 - 2012-02-14 5:57 AM
Another reason I do all the maintenance on my bike.
A Big "YEP" to that.
LOL did either of you read the thread?? Dealer did nothing wrong. Problem was a result of customer doing their own service. Though now he has learned from his simple mistake
Ummm yes, I read the thread. I just affirmed that I do my own maintenance on my bikes; due to piss poor work that I've experienced at dealers. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I never put more torque on oil drain plugs than I can achieve with three fingers on the wrench. I never use my full hand to tighten them. Every oil drain plug (and filter) on the planet somehow magically tighten themselves after a few hours. ??? |
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Orlando, FL | I can agree with Kevinx AND with willtill. In this thread, the issue was actually caused by the consumer. Thankfully he came here and got the answer he needed, accepted the responsibility and fixed it!
But I can also agree with willtill. I have had dealer issues with other non-Vic bikes, and with my new Vision I have gone thru 3 dealers, all of whom F'ed up just enough to lose me as a customer. It's disheartening. I now take my ride to my independent mechanic who takes the time to do it right.
The last dealer did some work which included putting new ISO grips on for me. (I was feeling lazy). While the rest of the work was fine, but on the long ride home (some 40 miles) my left grip started rotating on the bar. WHAT? I could have turned around and had them fix it, but it wasn't worth the effort. Explaining the issue, waiting for the mechanic to have time to fix it, then the time to fix it, etc. etc. So when I got home I took it off and glued it myself. Viola, problem solved. It's sad that such a simple thing has caused me to lose confidence in the dealership. But hey, gluing a grip is a no brain-er. And apparently no one checked the work! Apparently no one took it for a test drive before letting me pick up my ride. I have this belief that if you can't perform the small repairs and installs, I'm surely not giving you the harder more important things to work on.
Just sayin'
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2012-02-21 9:06 PM
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F__'in dealer overtorqued oil plug!