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Duanesburg N.Y. | Just saw the pic from Rollin in the cheap fix solution forum and he posted the car tire pic for $80.00 and it seems so wrong that it might be right. I just gotta know more about how it handles and rides. My dunlop is due in a few thou and this seem like it might be fun to try if for no other reason to just erk other people and waist $80.00 Of course it has to be safe to ride with the wife aboard.
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| There are several of us riding on the "dark side". I've been riding on a car tire for over a year. I started on a car tire reluctant, but did it out of necessity due to a trip I have to the arctic circle, just can't get the mileage out of a MT to complete the 12000 mile trip. Just put on a Michelin Primacy Alpin form trip, which I leave for in 9 days! Can't wait. I am very happy with the Michelin and it performs very well. Just search and google " darskide motorcycle" lots of info. Good luck |
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| I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | this has never been talked about before... LOL almost as much as oil is Never talked about... Shhhh (im joking with ya) |
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| There is some great information on car vs motorcycle tires on this forum from someone who knows tires a hell of a lot better than most.
http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/off-topic/47922-darkside-cont...
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 1:56 PM I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding. +1 |
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Central Maryland | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 4:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding. Oh please.... what a stupid analogy.
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| Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 3:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding.
Kelvin.... you've made the claim in a public forum that riding on a car tire is going to hurt someone else and is as safe as drinking and driving. You will, of course, only have made this claim based on hard evidence and not some kind of unproven personal theory, as that would simply be irresponsible.
I've been looking for such evidence for years now and have not been able to find any, so I'd really appreciate knowing where you obtained yours.
and NO.... I'm not a darkside rider, just someone who is fed up with crash and burn claims being made against car tires based on zero factual data. I'm only too happy to be proved wrong, but.....
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Phenix City AL. | I run the same car tire, I had the 195/16 potenza it was good, I got a nail in it on they way to daytona, got the elite 3 installed, 2k miles later, got a nail in it, so I put the winter sport run flat on. My review is the 175 60/16 is great, in the rain it beats the mc tire hands down, the only issue I have with it, is getting on the gas hard, from a side street or drive way, you can feel the flex in the tread, however I have not had it do that under anyother condition, to include fast corners. I will test it out in the mountains next week, I am a very spirited rider, so we will see how it does. If you ride like a normal person you will like the wintersport. Riding with a car tire IS NOT THE SAME AS RIDING IMPAIRED, , thats just a silly comparison. I am also going the start pulling a camper with my vision, O SHIT, motorcycles are not made to pull trailers, and I have added a amp so i can have a louder radio, I guess my charging system will fry. Sorry for the rant, just hate when people give opinions, when they have not done it themselves. Try the car tire, give it 500 miles and see how you like it. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 3:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding.
yeah cause god knows all motorcycle accidents are caused by the tires on the bike.. has nothing to do with the people texting while driving, or reading the news paper, doing makeup etc. in 6 years of using a car tire ive only been KNOCKED OUT 3 times now.. lol just wear a helmet and you can shake it off quickly then get back on the bike and finish your ride! |
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| Peter Warren - 2012-05-21 2:57 PM
Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 3:56 PM
I say if all the riding you do is straight line super slab, solo, in low to zero traffic, where you can't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Otherwise a car tire on a motorcycle is about as safe as drinking and riding.
Kelvin.... you've made the claim in a public forum that riding on a car tire is going to hurt someone else and is as safe as drinking and driving. You will, of course, only have made this claim based on hard evidence and not some kind of unproven personal theory, as that would simply be irresponsible.
I've been looking for such evidence for years now and have not been able to find any, so I'd really appreciate knowing where you obtained yours.
and NO.... I'm not a darkside rider, just someone who is fed up with crash and burn claims being made against car tires based on zero factual data. I'm only too happy to be proved wrong, but.....
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Here is my logic...
Just so you know...
Being injured due to improper use or not using the proper safety equipment: Injury preventable with proper use of safety equipment.
Drinking and driving: Irresponsible operation of a machine under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. This is preventable with the responsible use of motorized equipment.
Replacing your parachute with a cinder block: Injury, resulting from the implementation of incorrect equipment.
Car tire on a bike: Irresponsible implementation of improper safety equipment. This is no different than anything from the above. Modern tires are part of the safety equipment of anything that uses them. To knowingly use the incorrect product in a specific application is really no different than skimping on safety gear or drinking and driving. The only pro I can see about using a car tire is its cheap. That's a pretty shitty reason to put ones own personal well-being and those around them at risk.
I use to be the last person to be a safety nag but it sucks when people get hurt, and its easy preventable with the proper equipment and use.
Really think of it this way, especially the way Victory has cheapened out the Vision the past few years. If it were really a good idea, and was just as safe and handled as well, to save a few bucks, most motorcycle manufactures would mount car tires on stock bikes.
The only stock bike I have ever head of having a car tire out of the box is a Boss Hoss. Those things can't turn anyway.
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Pittsburgh, PA | take this for what its worth.. under Pennsylvania inspection law a car tire IS allowed as long as the tire is D.O.T. approved.. the point of inspection in PA is safety. they check brakes, tire depth, among others. When i first went to the darkside i had a inspection station Pause and say he didnt think this was allowed.. so he made a phone call to the state.... he returned and said it WAS allowed as long as the tire was D.O.T. approved. i even talked with my insurance company back when i first did it and they said... As long as your motorcycle meets the states requirements for safety, "pass inspection" it is 100% covered.. (nationwide insurance).
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I'm with you all the way on that, Kevin. I have been following this thought process since the early 70's - and there was always one constant in the discussion. ALL TIRE ENGINEERS SAID "Don't Do it !!!". If CT's were better, manufacturers would be putting them on at the factory.
SO - why put yourself at risk to save a few bucks?
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| Funny stuff, just answering the mans question. Love the chimers that claim to hate the dark side threads. Yeah we read every week about a car tire falling off the rim of a bike, even more than we hear about a drunk rider crashing..... Good one.
Ride safe y'all.
Btw, I'm no where near a str8 line rider, come check the bottom of my boards
I've enjoyed the e3's, put on a CT for the 12k mile trip and I can't find a reason to return to a MT. But that's just me, hell my 1975 Norton still has a square tire on it.
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Tucson, AZ | I would like just ONE of you Dark Side nay sayers to give just one example where there was an accident caused by either the car tire or the wheel failed on a bike. I didn't think so. as far as the theory that they're only good for going straight on a road, anyone who has ridden the Salt River Canyon in north central Arizona, there isn't any stretch of the road that's straight. Three Dark Side tires on two different bikes for more than 40,000 miles has made me a believer. And it's not just about longer tire wear and cost that makes the difference for me. |
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Tampa, Fl United States | donetracey - 2012-05-21 6:41 PM
I'm with you all the way on that, Kevin. I have been following this thought process since the early 70's - and there was always one constant in the discussion. ALL TIRE ENGINEERS SAID "Don't Do it !!!". If CT's were better, manufacturers would be putting them on at the factory.
SO - why put yourself at risk to save a few bucks?
You darksider haters need to go away, The wife & I on our CT Victory Vision will out handle you (around curves) out stop you (rain or shine) and this is 30k miles later.
People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**!
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | turbobuick - 2012-05-21 5:23 PM donetracey - 2012-05-21 6:41 PM I'm with you all the way on that, Kevin. I have been following this thought process since the early 70's - and there was always one constant in the discussion. ALL TIRE ENGINEERS SAID "Don't Do it !!!". If CT's were better, manufacturers would be putting them on at the factory. SO - why put yourself at risk to save a few bucks? You darksider haters need to go away, The wife & I on our CT Victory Vision will out handle you (around curves) out stop you (rain or shine) and this is 30k miles later. People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**! Please bring something more useful this this forum from experience that we can benefit from!!! LOL !!! I lived, and rode in Florida for 5 years - not a goddamned road anywhere worth riding on. A CT there wouldn't matter. And NO - you couldn't keep up with me and MY VV - and I am 68 - I would WHOOP your ass .... with LOTS of real life experience. You are funny, though!!! |
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Tucson, AZ | Bring it on! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Gray rider - 2012-05-21 7:49 PM
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Broken Arrow, OK | LOL, more than oil, always a pissin match.
kelvin, you're going to pull a camper trailer w/ a motorcycle. Your "safety" credibility w/ me is gone. I would never tell you not to though, your biz.
Where you can spout logic all u want, you cannot display factual safety issues from ct's. Safety issues pulling trailers w/ a bike however are abundant......but you'll do what suits you, same as I.
Eric, wife and I just had a great 3 days at VITO in Eureka Springs. Our Michelin performs very well. We're 2 up and luggage loaded. We led several rides w/ groups of friends thru the beautiful Arkansas mountains. I have 100% confidence in this run flat tire. Do i run 35 mph twisties at 75 mph? No, and I personally wish others didn't on public roads but each to their own. I certainly don't consider a CT "craziness" or I wouldn't do it. Safety is critical, that's why I prefer a 1,200 lb rated run flat rear tire on our bike. We now have 700 miles on this one, half Ozark twisties, half slab and the ride is fantastic. The wife particularly enjoys the smoother passenger experience over the Elite. Whatever you decide on, be confident with it and enjoy the ride.
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Land O Lakes, FL | Hey don't they run car tires on Trikes? 2 big wheels and just that tiny little front MC tire to steer with, Just sayin'. I see car tires on all sorts of custom "fat tire" cruisers. Hell I even saw a guy with a 280 front tire! Fact is the tire flex's, you never run on the sidewall though you think you do, you can't lean it that far over. Here is a great video of what a car tire looks like on a Wing doing figure 8's in the parking lot, looks pretty planted to me. You can hear him draggin his floorboards and the CT still has an almost 50% contact patch on the road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIj1XrmvLM
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New Bohemia, VA | don't worry so much about the d bags, there's enough rebuttal's to them that makes me wonder why motorcycles don't come with a car tire on it already. Any body who has ever tried a car tire raves about it, so what would he miss? A simple search on the subject would turn up 100 years of forum postings when all there was car tires for a motorcycle, through the years of perfecting the motorcycle tire, only to come full circle back to the what bikes should have stayed with. He got his answer. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | And I shall forever defer to you 'Rocket Scientists' that are so wise and knowing .... and slink off to wherever Computer Consultants go to pout. Farewell all you Darksiders! May your dreams keep your bikes upright and safe. Goodbye.
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Bullhead City, AZ | You do know that there has never been a double blind study done that a parachute works better than a cinder block, In fact there has never been a double blind study comparing a parachute to anything for safely jumping out of an airplane. Just anecdotal evidence that it works better. Anyone want to get in line for that study???  |
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| Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 5:27 PM
Here is my logic...
Just so you know...
Being injured due to improper use or not using the proper safety equipment: Injury preventable with proper use of safety equipment.
Drinking and driving: Irresponsible operation of a machine under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. This is preventable with the responsible use of motorized equipment.
Replacing your parachute with a cinder block: Injury, resulting from the implementation of incorrect equipment.
Car tire on a bike: Irresponsible implementation of improper safety equipment. This is no different than anything from the above. Modern tires are part of the safety equipment of anything that uses them. To knowingly use the incorrect product in a specific application is really no different than skimping on safety gear or drinking and driving. The only pro I can see about using a car tire is its cheap. That's a pretty shitty reason to put ones own personal well-being and those around them at risk.
I use to be the last person to be a safety nag but it sucks when people get hurt, and its easy preventable with the proper equipment and use.
Really think of it this way, especially the way Victory has cheapened out the Vision the past few years. If it were really a good idea, and was just as safe and handled as well, to save a few bucks, most motorcycle manufactures would mount car tires on stock bikes.
The only stock bike I have ever head of having a car tire out of the box is a Boss Hoss. Those things can't turn anyway.
That's great logic Kelvin..... now where is a shred of data to support either your logic above or your claim that using a car tire will hurt someone else and is as safe as drink driving ?
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| turbobuick - 2012-05-21 7:23 PM
...You darksider haters need to go away, The wife & I on our CT Victory Vision will out handle you (around curves) out stop you (rain or shine) and this is 30k miles later....
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Pittsburgh, PA | if theres one thing i always get a kick out of... its the people that say something CANT be done when either 1) they never tried 2) others have been doing this not for weeks or months.. but for DECADES..... this isnt anything new... thousands and thousands of people have been doing this for decades and even do this while riding Deals Gap! i mean how much more of a test or proving grounds does one need? |
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-05-22 8:36 AM
if theres one thing i always get a kick out of... its the people that say something CANT be done when either 1) they never tried 2) others have been doing this not for weeks or months.. but for DECADES..... this isnt anything new... thousands and thousands of people have been doing this for decades and even do this while riding Deals Gap! i mean how much more of a test or proving grounds does one need?
No one said you can't ride the twisties with a car tire.... but a skilled aggressive rider can ride faster on an MC tire than with a CT in the twisties. Transitions are smoother, and there's better, more consistent contact patch on the ground, let alone that MC tires typically have a softer/stickier tread compound, especially in the multi compound versions out today. A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
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| donetracey - 2012-05-21 10:34 PM
And I shall forever defer to you 'Rocket Scientists' that are so wise and knowing .... and slink off to wherever Computer Consultants go to pout. Farewell all you Darksiders! May your dreams keep your bikes upright and safe. Goodbye.
Funny sheeeet, don't go away mad just.......
In all seriousness a gentelman asked how the tire rides and handles and who has tried. That is all. If you don't know how it handles and rides. Don't post. There are plenty of dark side debate threads, you'd be better served there, this wasn't one of them
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| donetracey - 2012-05-21 10:34 PM
And I shall forever defer to you 'Rocket Scientists' that are so wise and knowing .... and slink off to wherever Computer Consultants go to pout. Farewell all you Darksiders! May your dreams keep your bikes upright and safe. Goodbye.
Funny sheeeet, don't go away mad just.......
In all seriousness a gentelman asked how the tire rides and handles and who has tried. That is all. If you don't know how it handles and rides. Don't post. There are plenty of dark side debate threads, you'd be better served there, this wasn't one of them
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Jeff. The 'gentleman' asked for opinions on buying a CT, in his words: 'if for no other reason to just erk other people and waist $80.00 Of course it has to be safe to ride with the wife aboard. So, a bunch of us gave our opinion - some of us, because we were 'irked'. Some of us because we don't like to see someone 'waste' money. And some others, because we know what the experts tell us - anytime you make something 'worse', you also make it 'less' safe. Just as you learn from your teachers how to spell 'gentleman', you also learn from designers and engineers what works best. And the better it works, the safer it is. But some people just never learn - they still believe that a gentelman named Obama was not born in the U.S.A. The gentleman wanted opinion. He got some bad opinion along with the good. That is to be expected in all of these threads. IMHO
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| turbobuick - 2012-05-21 5:23 PM
People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**!
This is my favorite argument about this whole stupid cheap stunt.
For starters. I have a SHIT TON of experience fixing broken shit, where people tired to make a piece of equipment/tool/whatever, do something its not designed to do, its what I do for a living, and people with your decision making process keep me gainfully employed, so thank you!
Second of all let me get this straight... I need to knowingly, willingly, endanger my life, and all around me on the road to gain this "real life experience"? Yeah right buddy. Good luck with that. I am quite happy with my properly equipped Vision with the correct rubber meeting the road.
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| okie vision - 2012-05-21 6:20 PM
kelvin, you're going to pull a camper trailer w/ a motorcycle. Your "safety" credibility w/ me is gone.
Yeah, great approach, I am going to pull a trailer for 5% of my riding, as opposed to 100% of ones riding on a car tire... I'm a real dear devil.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | roundtwig - 2012-05-22 1:05 PM Dam, my popcorn burnt!! ...... probably too much OIL on it |
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Pittsburgh, PA | A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
what if your following other bikes at the same rate of speed? i personally have scrapped my floorboard in a turn with a CT.. now honestly it only happened twice... but i have the marks to prove it.. =( |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Kelvininin - 2012-05-22 2:35 PM
turbobuick - 2012-05-21 5:23 PM
People w/no real life experience can easily talk SH**!
This is my favorite argument about this whole stupid cheap stunt.
For starters. I have a SHIT TON of experience fixing broken shit, where people tired to make a piece of equipment/tool/whatever, do something its not designed to do, its what I do for a living, and people with your decision making process keep me gainfully employed, so thank you!
Second of all let me get this straight... I need to knowingly, willingly, endanger my life, and all around me on the road to gain this "real life experience"? Yeah right buddy. Good luck with that. I am quite happy with my properly equipped Vision with the correct rubber meeting the road.
riding a motorcycle is dangerous isnt it? in the eyes of a doctor or an life insurance agent of even a cop. would they rather you get into a accident in a car or a motorcycle? isnt riding a motorcycle endangering your life? but if you ride one with a mc tire is All better and makes it ok when involved in a accident.. lol i love it when people talk about safety.. i drive my bike is a safe manor i dont speed through town, race people at a light etc, i cant.. my license is checked every year for my job.. But do i consider a motorcycle safe? NO way! i just looked into life insurance for this very reason.. ive been on a ct since 2005 i have yet , Burst into flames, fall over at a light, tire fall of the wheel. and yet I rode the Dragon with a car tire. 318 turns in 11 miles.. i rode it up and back many times.. a rode where people on bikes with a MC tires have been killed on...( rip) i think there is alot more to accidents than just the tire you use... |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Kelvininin, I'm not sure what experience you've had pulling a trailer, but I'm sure your going to find it is a lot different. Just wait until a good sidewind gets the trailer rockin in the wrong direction. You will also have to change your braking technique. Your front wheel will now slide out a lot easier and your rear will be your main means of deceleration. By far the scariest times I've had were while pulling a trailer.
As for a car tire on 100% of the time, It would probably be a issue less than .005% of time (if any).
What I have figured out, is that anyone who rides a bike, is CRAZY!!! We shouldn't be putting a car tire on it, we should be putting four on, and building some kinda roll cage around it to protect us.
So, now an update;
As the temperature hit 101 in Banning yesterday, I decided to see how well the Wintersport would handle, so I took it up into the San Jacinto mountains for "study". A nice 40 mile route with 4000 feet of elevation gain then dropping 4500 feet to Hemet. I found very few cars on the road, so I was really able to "test" the tires. Temperatures dropped to a chilling 88 degrees at the top but then returned to 103 when I hit Hemet.
Tire pressure was 37psi cold (I meant to check hot as well, but forgot). Tread depth at 6mm after 10k miles(about half worn). Front tire (Metz880xxl 140/70-18) is at 41psi with the same amount of tread left. Both tires performed flawlessly in the heat. Cornering was tight and easy to maintain a line. Transitions were smooth and braking steady. I did keep the speed down to where the floorboard skids only lightly touched a few times. No flying sparks this time.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Turk - 2012-05-22 7:08 AM
A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
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Broken Arrow, OK | Kelvininin - 2012-05-22 3:30 PM
okie vision - 2012-05-21 6:20 PM
Pulling a trailer is no different than putting a heavy set gal on the back with her make-up bag in the trunk.Please. I know you're smarter than that. It's your justification though, so be it.
I still think your stereo rocks.......huggzzzz
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Akron Ohio area | Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 5:12 PM There is some great information on car vs motorcycle tires on this forum from someone who knows tires a hell of a lot better than most. http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/off-topic/47922-darkside-cont... enjoy. The pictures on page 4 of that forum are enough to convince me that a car tire has no place being on a motorcycle rim. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | okie vision - 2012-05-22 6:54 PM
and here's my big ol' gal with her big azz makeup bag coming home from VITO this past weekend. Ride on!
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It's a boatload of white for sure. I was lucky to find a guy that striped it and broke up the canvas for us.
At VITO there were quite a lot of Visions. I saw a 2012 sandstone, many 08's in the dark cherry, some blue too and of course black. All of them looked good, especially lined up together. As I'm sure you are, we are pleased w/ ours.
Off topic but this was our first "brand specific" event or rally. We're not much about group riding but have been trying it out a little more all the time. A Vision rider lost control on a turn Saturday and lost his life as a result so things were pretty sobering for the remainder of the rally. RIP PapaVic
This particular event we met up through the VMC forums with several Vic owners we'd never met before from nearby cities. From the moment we pulled in and greeted one another, it was just meant to be. My wife and I had a super great time. I know there's tons of forum folks that have been doing this for years and I know why. If anyone hasn't attended Vic specific events, I highly recommend it. Besides meeting great folks, you're surrounded by VICS! Ride on!
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-05-22 5:03 PM
A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
what if your following other bikes at the same rate of speed? i personally have scrapped my floorboard in a turn with a CT.. now honestly it only happened twice... but i have the marks to prove it.. =(
I'll bet THEY didn't scrape at the same speed!
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| Nozzledog - 2012-05-22 5:51 PM
Turk - 2012-05-22 7:08 AM
A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
If the lean angle is the same, and the radius of the turn is the same, with the same bike, then the speed is the same. If your leaning over more at the same speed, then you are falling over.
All true. But, you left out the difference in getting on the edge of a car tire, vs not knifing up on an motorcycle tire. Look, it's just this simple, a car tire on a bike will absolutely, positively, unequivocally NOT handle as well as an MC tire, period. True, they last longer and cost less, and may suffice for the way most people drive, but give up the false notion that they can corner, handle, or go as fast in the curves as an MC tire. If that were true, then every professional motorcycle race bike would be using them (excluding straight line events). I have yet to see even one superbike, grand prix, or supersport event where a car tire was in use because of it's superior qualities over and MC tire.
Now before I get flamed for being anti DS.... I will say that I do see their usefulness on a cruiser such as the Vision. The higher load rating, runflat, and longevity is especially handy for someone pulling a trailer or going on iron butt runs across the continent. Hell, I even considered it had my E3 not gone the 16.5k miles it went. But there is no way I will ever say it handles better. That's just silly, self justification, reverse logic.
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| Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 4:12 PM
There is some great information on car vs motorcycle tires on this forum from someone who knows tires a hell of a lot better than most.
http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/off-topic/47922-darkside-cont...
enjoy.
Very informative. Notice how much more reinforced the MT sidewalls and carcass is compared to the CT. The CT does appear to have deeper tread, but below the tread, the MC tire is more sturdily constructed.
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Broken Arrow, OK | Turk - 2012-05-23 8:23 AM
Nozzledog - 2012-05-22 5:51 PM
Turk - 2012-05-22 7:08 AM
A DS equipped bike may feel like it's leaning as far as an MC equipped bike, but it simply is not going as fast at the same lean angle.
But there is no way I will ever say it handles better. That's just silly, self justification, reverse logic.LOL, no flaming when you make sense. Seeing as I ride a CT I'd completely agree with you Turk. I'm getting a tad older now and this is actually what irks me the most about the naysaying. It's always about twisties and scraping pegs. I guess that's why a CT appeals to me the most. I find no reason on any public road in this country to push the limits far beyond posted speeds. I can promise you there is not a road, twisty or not, in this country that I cannot safely corner through at given "safe", posted speed on my CT. Can I keep up on a track with a race bike with my CT? Heck no and wouldn't want to. I cringe everytime people start bragging about scraping pegs and pushing to the limits on the Dragon or anywhere else. So you are right, it's not for everyone and I agree they are not racing tires. We've lost 2 Vic brothers at events I've attended recently in the twisties and I've come to heed warning when the big yellow sign suggests a slower speed as you're about to enter a turn. Ride on! Now before I get flamed for going the speed limit, I don't give a rats azz,,LOL and I won't toss marbles at tailgates. We have no problems pulling over  |
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| Turk - 2012-05-23 8:40 AM
Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 4:12 PM
There is some great information on car vs motorcycle tires on this forum from someone who knows tires a hell of a lot better than most.
http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/off-topic/47922-darkside-cont...
enjoy.
Very informative. Notice how much more reinforced the MT sidewalls and carcass is compared to the CT. The CT does appear to have deeper tread, but below the tread, the MC tire is more sturdily constructed.
Try that test with a run flat, different story. I went out for a 4 mile loops with zero psi on my run flat, to test out my tpms, and to see how it rolls with zero psi if I get in a bind on my way to Alaska next week. It's was amazing. Just 30mph 4 mile ride, it was amazing to me. It's nice to know that tire will take everything the dalton and the alcan will throw at it |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Turk - 2012-05-23 8:40 AM
Kelvininin - 2012-05-21 4:12 PM
There is some great information on car vs motorcycle tires on this forum from someone who knows tires a hell of a lot better than most.
http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/off-topic/47922-darkside-cont...
enjoy.
Very informative. Notice how much more reinforced the MT sidewalls and carcass is compared to the CT. The CT does appear to have deeper tread, but below the tread, the MC tire is more sturdily constructed.
I cant agree a motorcycle tire is stronger. I'm only basing this on my personal experience with removing a tire. On my 2008 vision I actually cut my dunlop tire of the rear wheel. I only had to use diagonal cutters to get the steel ring around the rim off.. try doing that to a car tire! Steel belted. |
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Grand Cane, LA | ""Here is my logic...
Just so you know...
Being injured due to improper use or not using the proper safety equipment: Injury preventable with proper use of safety equipment.
Drinking and driving: Irresponsible operation of a machine under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. This is preventable with the responsible use of motorized equipment.
Replacing your parachute with a cinder block: Injury, resulting from the implementation of incorrect equipment.
Car tire on a bike: Irresponsible implementation of improper safety equipment. This is no different than anything from the above. Modern tires are part of the safety equipment of anything that uses them. To knowingly use the incorrect product in a specific application is really no different than skimping on safety gear or drinking and driving. The only pro I can see about using a car tire is its cheap. That's a pretty shitty reason to put ones own personal well-being and those around them at risk.
I use to be the last person to be a safety nag but it sucks when people get hurt, and its easy preventable with the proper equipment and use.
Really think of it this way, especially the way Victory has cheapened out the Vision the past few years. If it were really a good idea, and was just as safe and handled as well, to save a few bucks, most motorcycle manufactures would mount car tires on stock bikes.
The only stock bike I have ever head of having a car tire out of the box is a Boss Hoss. Those things can't turn anyway.""
Obviously you have never researched the issue or else you would know that motorcycle riders have been riding on cars tires since the early 60's when most homemade choppers only ran car tires because it was only thing available for the rims they were using. Do a little researching before commenting on an issue you apparently know nothing about. You will probably find that cars tires are tested under more strenuous tests that would leave a bike tire in the dust. Most bike tires are only tested under track conditions and subjective results from various riders. See how many tire manufacturers will show you their testing videos and you will find no motorcycle tire testing only car tire testing. Many of those you can even find on the Internet, but not a single one of a motorcycle tire being tested.
Sorry I couldn't get the quote thing right!
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | I really don't think the wall thickness of the tire comes into play. Both CT and MT are built extremely well and I have never heard of any incidents where either failed structurally. The link defenitly shows that CTs and MTs are constructed different, but we all knew that. Otherwise it failed to make any point, other than a MT sidewalls are to short to fit the bead flanges on a car rim.
I have yet to see a Vision compete in a superbike, grand prix, or supersport event, but even if they do I wouldn't expect to see a CT on one. I doubt you would see a touring tire on one either.
Turk, I have yet to see any one or any video showing a CT on a motorcycle going up 'on its edge'. They all show that the sdewall bends leaving a flat contact patch during cornering. Maybe if CTs had bulky sidewalls like MTs, this would be true, but CTs do not (as shown in the link by kelvininin).
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| okie vision - 2012-05-23 7:16 AM
I find no reason on any public road in this country to push the limits far beyond posted speeds.
It must be awfully straight in OK. Here in the Pacific Northwet, one can nearly scrape the tip overs off at below the posted speed limit, when riding through some of the more twisty mountain roads.
I routinely drag the floor boards on my Vision, and sometimes even the tip overs, although dragging the tip overs makes my butt pucker so I try to avoid it. This is with hanging way off the bike in the turns.
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| atvtinker - 2012-05-23 1:57 PM
""Here is my logic...
Just so you know...
Being injured due to improper use or not using the proper safety equipment: Injury preventable with proper use of safety equipment.
Drinking and driving: Irresponsible operation of a machine under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. This is preventable with the responsible use of motorized equipment.
Replacing your parachute with a cinder block: Injury, resulting from the implementation of incorrect equipment.
Car tire on a bike: Irresponsible implementation of improper safety equipment. This is no different than anything from the above. Modern tires are part of the safety equipment of anything that uses them. To knowingly use the incorrect product in a specific application is really no different than skimping on safety gear or drinking and driving. The only pro I can see about using a car tire is its cheap. That's a pretty shitty reason to put ones own personal well-being and those around them at risk.
I use to be the last person to be a safety nag but it sucks when people get hurt, and its easy preventable with the proper equipment and use.
Really think of it this way, especially the way Victory has cheapened out the Vision the past few years. If it were really a good idea, and was just as safe and handled as well, to save a few bucks, most motorcycle manufactures would mount car tires on stock bikes.
The only stock bike I have ever head of having a car tire out of the box is a Boss Hoss. Those things can't turn anyway.""
Obviously you have never researched the issue or else you would know that motorcycle riders have been riding on cars tires since the early 60's when most homemade choppers only ran car tires because it was only thing available for the rims they were using. Do a little researching before commenting on an issue you apparently know nothing about. You will probably find that cars tires are tested under more strenuous tests that would leave a bike tire in the dust. Most bike tires are only tested under track conditions and subjective results from various riders. See how many tire manufacturers will show you their testing videos and you will find no motorcycle tire testing only car tire testing. Many of those you can even find on the Internet, but not a single one of a motorcycle tire being tested.
Sorry I couldn't get the quote thing right!
You're funny.
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| Maybe some of yu'all just need to have a few more riding lessons in order to ride on a car tire.I have a c/t on fat bottom girl and i like it.I'm noway a great rider but i do ok stay up with the boys that can ride. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | Kelvininin - 2012-05-23 5:37 PM
okie vision - 2012-05-23 7:16 AM
I find no reason on any public road in this country to push the limits far beyond posted speeds.
It must be awfully straight in OK. .For the most part it really is. We have our spots, SE part of the state but it's a given if you're wanting spirited twisty riding, you'll leave the state. We would LOVE to bike the NW part of this country.
One thing is, I've really never spent time on the bike alone. We travel on it, period. She's on the back and there's always luggage. No doubt the handling is very different to solo riding.
Interestingly enough, I mounted a CT, my first by the way on over half a dozen owned bikes, strictly for safety only. Shipped to the house and mounted was over 200 bones so money savings really didn't come into play. I felt the load rating and run flat technology could save us. We've had 2 local rear tire blowout incidents locally within the past 6 mo's that resulted in 3 deaths.
Unfortunately I find myself thinking too much lately while riding. I don't second guess my tire choice for what we do but the overall choice of motorcycle riding.
The accident and death of a VMC member last weekend at the event we were at. Another rider losing his life at the same event last fall. Cell phones and cages and on and on. Probably overthinking our vulnerability. Maybe I'm coming to realize it might not be what I wished and hoped it would be......that sux cause when we return from an event free weekend, it's really good.
But yes, we travel a good long road to get to ride areas that you probably have in your backyard! Ride on, ride safe.
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| Parachute vs. cinder block? Was that a real argument or a joke? That is quality logic right up there with Monty Python. A better example would be a construction helmet vs a combat helmet. At least they are both helmets! Which one is better on a construction site? Well, it depends on what hits you in the head.
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Orlando, FL | Boys, Boys, Boys. I only use Vic oil. Anything else causes clutch slippage!
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Orlando, FL | One note someone made on a darkside thread that has teeth. For me this argument over-rides everything else!!!! And yet no one is talking about it.
Will your insurance company deny a claim becauase you are using car tires? It's something to think hard about. Based on news stories I have read, Nationwide denied a stolen car claim from a policyholder becasue he had the key in his possession, and they argues that because of that he must have been part of the crime. It took a lawyer and 4 years before he won in court. But did he really win? Four years of hell? And all he recoverted was the value of his car four years later!!!!!! If an ins. co will work that hard to avoid a claim for the value of a car, think how hard they will work to avoid paying out hundreds of thousands on a bike wreck with injured parties (you, your passenger, others involved in an accident)
Think hard my fellow riders. Using a car tire is using a non-approved tire on a motorcycle. Insurance companies these days will seemingly try anything to avoid paying for any reason they can find. Nationwide went to a lot of trouble for the cost of a car. Imagine if you were being sued, or worse, you or your passenger were a quadraplegic seeking compensation. It could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars if you are sued or injured. And having a tire they deem inappropriate on your ride might just do the trick in this complicated world. My lawyer advised against going darkside just for this reason. THink it can't happen? Think again~
Just puttin it out there for your consideration. Make an informed choice and consider more than just tire handling, longevity and retail tire cost.
Link to story: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/insurance-companies-refusing-to-pay-f...
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Central New York | Nozzledog - 2012-05-23 4:58 PM I really don't think the wall thickness of the tire comes into play. Both CT and MT are built extremely well and I have never heard of any incidents where either failed structurally. The link defenitly shows that CTs and MTs are constructed different, but we all knew that. Otherwise it failed to make any point, other than a MT sidewalls are to short to fit the bead flanges on a car rim. I have yet to see a Vision compete in a superbike, grand prix, or supersport event, but even if they do I wouldn't expect to see a CT on one. I doubt you would see a touring tire on one either. Turk, I have yet to see any one or any video showing a CT on a motorcycle going up 'on its edge'. They all show that the sdewall bends leaving a flat contact patch during cornering. Maybe if CTs had bulky sidewalls like MTs, this would be true, but CTs do not (as shown in the link by kelvininin). I see no logic in the diagram shown. To say, and depict, that there is no shear force on a motorcycle is joke at best. If that were true there would be no such thing as "low side", where the bike slides out from under. |
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Central New York | MaddMAx2u - 2012-06-13 10:24 AM One note someone made on a darkside thread that has teeth. For me this argument over-rides everything else!!!! And yet no one is talking about it. Will your insurance company deny a claim becauase you are using car tires? It's something to think hard about. Based on news stories I have read, Nationwide denied a stolen car claim from a policyholder becasue he had the key in his possession, and they argues that because of that he must have been part of the crime. It took a lawyer and 4 years before he won in court. But did he really win? Four years of hell? And all he recoverted was the value of his car four years later!!!!!! If an ins. co will work that hard to avoid a claim for the value of a car, think how hard they will work to avoid paying out hundreds of thousands on a bike wreck with injured parties (you, your passenger, others involved in an accident) Think hard my fellow riders. Using a car tire is using a non-approved tire on a motorcycle. Insurance companies these days will seemingly try anything to avoid paying for any reason they can find. Nationwide went to a lot of trouble for the cost of a car. Imagine if you were being sued, or worse, you or your passenger were a quadraplegic seeking compensation. It could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars if you are sued or injured. And having a tire they deem inappropriate on your ride might just do the trick in this complicated world. My lawyer advised against going darkside just for this reason. THink it can't happen? Think again~ Just puttin it out there for your consideration. Make an informed choice and consider more than just tire handling, longevity and retail tire cost. Link to story: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/insurance-companies-refusing-to-pay-f... It is not just insurance companies that would use this as an out. There are times when a tire really can have a defect and blow out. Should that ever happen to a car tire on a motorcycle, well, you know where that's going. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm neither a car tire user, or well ever be, unless I go to Alaska, or an advocate of a car tire on a bike. But I have yet to see anyone cite a case concerning any rider using a car tire on the bike and it resulted in the cause of an accident. Citing totally unrelated and irrelevant cases serves no purpose whatsoever in the discussion. My rationale for folks using a car tire has not changed either, but if they chose to do so, I'm happy for them. |
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Orlando, FL | Oh varyder, so your legal argument and mighty wisdom to your kids would be, well, I never heard of it so it's ok??????????????
Geez. Really? I never heard of CDO's causing a banking calmity before it happened either. But it happened!! Whatever argument you want to use is fine with me. I was just offering food for thought.
The "relevancy" you are claim isn't there (again, because YOU have never heard of it) is that an insurance company will use any method to avoid a claim, hence increasing profits. DUH! But then again, perhaps you have never heard of an insurance company denying a valid claim. Go figger!
This is a no brainer. A car tire is not an approved tire for a motorcyle. Neither is a tractor tire, or a bicycle tire, etc. etc. It doesn't matter if the tire caused the problem or not. But hey, you're smarter than my attorney???
I was not offering the info to argue a point. I was offering something for everyone to consider and make thier own decision. It's your arse, not mine. So do what you wish. I was only offering something more important to consider than a few bucks saved on a tire. And please, before you offer anymore BS, please do some research. Ask a lawyer, or call YOUR ins company's claim department and ask them for a written opinion. Good luck with that one!
But please, don't advise people that it's ok because you've never heard of it happening. That's just inappropriate. Unless of course you're willing to assume the liability that goes with that statement. Pity the fellow rider that follows your advise and has a blowout due to a defective CT (yea, that never happens) and ends up a quad, with no insurance compensation to provide for his care and treatment because YOU said it was ok.
Geez.
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| People have checked with insurance companies and State highway and safety offices. The ones I recall reading said that as long as the tire was DOT approved then it was OK for a motorcycle. Where is the evidence that insurance companies have denied claims because of a CT? Pot calling the kettle black perhaps? Lawyers can and will argue anything so that particular comment proves nothing.
By the way, who is the approving authority you allude to that has not approved CTs for motorcycles? A manufacturer?
So thousands of people running hundreds of thousands of miles (maybe millions of miles) on CTs is not sufficient evidence that it does not cause instant flaming death? Come on now, there has to be some significant negative trends with so many people doing it, right?
What the community has learned to date is, yes, you can run a car tire and guess what? It performs better in some areas and worse in others. None of the haters and naysayers have been able to produce evidence it has caused any significant problems. That is kind of a clue that perhaps it is not so bad or dangerous after all.
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Phenix City AL. | The wintersport is about 1/2 inch shorter than the elite III, so it will scrape a small bit sooner, most will not notice it. As far as riding on the knife edge, the tire flexes and keeps a good foot print, I let someone else ride my vision 2 up while in Helen, I rode behind them, while doing so, I watched the tire while going around corners, I could see the way the tire flexes, I was quite impressed, by the way it kept a decent foot print. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I don't see where I approve, just stating an observation. |
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Peru, IN | I know alot of riders that run on the Darkside. Hell, I even know one that runs a light truck tire. I have yet to hear a single bad thing about their experiences. 99% of them say that they would NEVER go back to a MT. The 2 (or maybe 3) that didn't like it, were only on it for a few days and didn't give it a chance. They thought it felt odd. Of course it feels odd. Just like it would feel odd going from a sports bike to a tourer.
On a Nomad forum I frequent, we have a genuine insurance writer/adjuster/executive. Even he's said that no legitimate insurance company will deny a claim based soley on the fact that there's a CT on the back of your bike. Of course the insurance company will try to INITIALLY deny your claim based on that. It's their "job" to deny claims. How else would they stay in business? In the end, they've all paid out.
With all that said, I don't care if someone rides on the Darkside or not. I think for a tourer, it's the smart thing to do. As others have said, I wouldn't put one on a Gixxer. I'm just not that much into cornering like Eddie Lawson these days. Some spirited riding is one thing but my knee will never voluntarily touch the ground.
On the Nomad forum, there are those on either side of the argument. No way either side can convince the other side to change their mind. I'm sure it will remain the same everywhere until we all get hovercycles. (BTW, I'm first in line for one. )
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Orlando, FL | Monkeyman - 2012-06-13 10:56 PM
On a Nomad forum I frequent, we have a genuine insurance writer/adjuster/executive. Even he's said that no legitimate insurance company will deny a claim based soley on the fact that there's a CT on the back
Peace!
Oh my gosh how silly of me. ?Of course, ?if someone claiming to be an insurance executive/underwriter/adjuster on the Internet stated that it's okay I'm sure it is!!!!!
Yes of course!?
AND all the?women on those dating sites ARE slim and very attractive.
AND there really were WMDs in Iraq!!
AND the banking system really was fine right before its collapse!!
AND ?Jamie Dimond, CEO of Chase was correct when he stated everything was good right before they announced a (whoops) $2 billion trading loss.?
And ?I don't know for sure that ?it's not approved for a motorcycle. ?But it is called a CAR tire so perhaps that's a clue?? ?Hmmmmmm.?
BTW, ?I have some fabulous waterfront property in the Everglades that I'll be happy to sell you. ?I'll give you a really good deal too.?
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San Antonio, TX | MaddMAx2u,
I understand that you are passionate about this subject. Really, I understand. I post on the threads that I feel are important to me and others.
What I have come to know is "People will do what they want with their motorcycles" and my posts and yours are just words on a computer screen....
Many times I will write a response and never hit "Submit". I am guessing that this is one of those posts I will regret.
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New Bohemia, VA | radioteacher - 2012-06-14 2:15 PM MaddMAx2u, I understand that you are passionate about this subject. Really, I understand. I post on the threads that I feel are important to me and others. What I have come to know is "People will do what they want with their motorcycles" and my posts and yours are just words on a computer screen.... Many times I will write a response and never hit "Submit". I am guessing that this is one of those posts I will regret. Ride Safe I thought I was the only one to do that, Paul. To add levity to the topic, I've waited a long time to jump up and say "see, I told you so!!!". I would venture to say that I'll go to my grave, never being able to say those words. But I did hear from my brother's best friend's dad, that his uncle knew someone who's sister's husband cousin's son went up in flames when he slide into a Bon-fire while drunk at the beach on his motorcycle, and he had a car tire. Or was that a movie?
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San Antonio, TX | varyder,
When I think of "Risky Behavior" on a motorcycle my brain wanders to a "lunch run" in April 2011.....I wish I wrote post on that.....wait I did!
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8668
Since this post....on another lunch ride....he could not get into 4th gear. That was due to the fact that a piece of a gear tooth broke off and fell into the slot the shifting forks use to slide into gear.
He found this out after riding it home in 3rd gear.
Another thread on this bike that has a Video clip.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8173
Ride Safe!
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New Bohemia, VA | radioteacher - 2012-06-14 3:21 PM varyder, When I think of "Risky Behavior" on a motorcycle my brain wanders to a "lunch run" in April 2011.....I wish I wrote post on that.....wait I did! http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8668 Since this post....on another lunch ride....he could not get into 4th gear. That was due to the fact that a piece of a gear tooth broke off and fell into the slot the shifting forks use to slide into gear. He found this out after riding it home in 3rd gear. Another thread on this bike that has a Video clip. http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8173 Ride Safe! I'm not even close to what he did. On my '84 gold wing, the stator went out, so I had two batteries, one to keep charge and swap out daily so I could ride the 13 miles to work. One battery on full charge would take me about 70 miles. I did this for several months, yes months, before I did the external alternator mod using a geo metro alternator. Also, that same bike, blew a head gasket and would steam on me out of the exhaust. I rode that about a month, keeping a mixture of honda antifreeze and water with me until I finally figured I need to get it fixed when it got so bad with the wife and I and we almost didn't make it home. |
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Iron Butt
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Broken Arrow, OK | I just typed a bunch of stuff and deleted it........................... |
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Iron Butt
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Broken Arrow, OK | LOL that battery story on the wing is priceless. I can even picture it. Good stuff |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | radioteacher - 2012-06-14 2:15 PM
MaddMAx2u,
I understand that you are passionate about this subject. Really, I understand. I post on the threads that I feel are important to me and others.
What I have come to know is "People will do what they want with their motorcycles" and my posts and yours are just words on a computer screen....
Many times I will write a response and never hit "Submit". I am guessing that this is one of those posts I will regret.
Ride Safe
Hey Radio, the funny part is that I was just giving a heads up for those who might want to consider the sizable financial risk they are taking by giving the insurance company an easy out. Everyone can say what they want about DOT, supposed ins. exec's statements etc, etc. But without getting it in writing from their insurance company the risk is there and for me, taking that risk is just foolish. Everyone is making assumptions that they are covered. The safe bet is to assume you are not. The Risky bet is assuming you are.
What amazes me is the backlash I got from just pointing out the obvious. Those who wish to take the financial risk, so be it. But I hope they take that risk on an informed basis, not just because they heard this or heard that. Again, the safe bet is to assume you are not covered. The Risky bet is assuming you are covered.
So my suggestion is if you wanna run a CT, read your policy. Then get it in writing that running a CT will not exclude coverage for any claim. Then you're safe.
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2012-06-14 9:28 PM
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Cruiser
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elgin mn | Maybe I'll Just ride My darkside vision, and just ride the best bike I ever owned. I will Just consider my self a vision pilot, |
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Visionary
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | I think that is 'X-pilot' |
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