2011 Vision update
xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 5:34 AM (#116541)
Subject: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
My dealer who's had my Vision now for over three weeks talked to me yesterday but only after I called him first. This bike with an engine that was rebuilt after only 1825 miles because of a crushed O-ring internally is now having the pistons replaced because of another o-ring problem. Polaris could give a rat's ass aibout whetheir the customer is happy or not. This has been an ongoing problem for almost a year. Now when I get the bike back I will most likely sale it and go back to Kawasaki. I love the ride of the Vision but I refuse to have a $23,000 bike with an engine that's been rebuilt twice.
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varyder
Posted 2012-06-14 5:40 AM (#116542 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Hopefully it work out in whatever you plan to do. I can't apologize for Polaris or Victory, but I think you are more dealing with the dealer than Victory. I would bark a little louder at Victory to see if they will stand up more for you. I think that Victory is more detached from the dealers than they should be, but there are some dealers that will make sure you are satisfied. Maybe this one is not one of them.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2012-06-14 5:52 AM (#116544 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 3773
Pittsburgh, PA
im sorry your going through this. but to be honest i went through bad customer service with kawasaki.. actually (2) of them. my 2002 vn800B and my 2005 vn2000. my vn2000 broke down on a trip and the parts i needed to get me back on the road had to be shipped from japan because kaw doesnt stock All parts in the U.S. , this was according to the dealer i was at in KY. Both my kaws left me stranded in another state. so i did what you want to do, Trade it in as soon as it was repaired.. Im wondering if your dealer didnt put it back together properly in the first place and is blamin it on another problem.. On my vn800B i had a dealer claim to of done work on my bike under warranty, then 1 mile down the road it broke down again. i Snapped because the carb had to be removed in order to do the work, and there was a dot of paint on the bolts, and the paint wasnt broken which meant the work wasnt done!! the dealer lied to me.. once again , im sorry you are going through this.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 6:24 AM (#116546 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
I have been in touch with Victory the whole time. Big run around from them also. Found out the dealer didn't even look at the bike for the first two weeks it was there.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-14 6:56 AM (#116547 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
I hate to hear of anyone unhappy with their Vision but after what you've been through I can't blame you for feeling the way you do. Hopefully they will get it back to you soon.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 7:19 AM (#116552 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
What really gets me is that instead of doing the right thing in a timely manner and keeping a new customer happy Polaris would rather be a cheap ass and alienate me. I've told a lot of people how much I love the ride and the styling and now I'm telling the same people about the horrible service from both Twin Specialties and Polaris.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-14 7:25 AM (#116553 - in reply to #116552)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109

xsubrider - 2012-06-14 7:19 AM What really gets me is that instead of doing the right thing in a timely manner and keeping a new customer happy Polaris would rather be a cheap ass and alienate me. I've told a lot of people how much I love the ride and the styling and now I'm telling the same people about the horrible service from both Twin Specialties and Polaris.

 I can understand Polaris repairing the engine the first time but the second time they should have replaced it. Shipped one to the dealer and get you back on the road.

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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 7:54 AM (#116561 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
I think they should have replaced the engine or bike the first time. The engine suffered a loss of oil pressure and sounded like it was tearing itself apart when I stopped it. I begged for a new engine then. I'm still begging for one. My pleas fall on deaf ears when it comes to Polaris.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-14 8:18 AM (#116564 - in reply to #116561)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109

xsubrider - 2012-06-14 7:54 AM I think they should have replaced the engine or bike the first time. The engine suffered a loss of oil pressure and sounded like it was tearing itself apart when I stopped it. I begged for a new engine then. I'm still begging for one. My pleas fall on deaf ears when it comes to Polaris.

 You were there so I'll go with you on the first time. In any case the engine needs to be replaced now. You might check your states laws concerning this. I come from the car business and I know that we would have to replace the engine this go around. Not sure about bikes though.

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Arkainzeye
Posted 2012-06-14 10:26 AM (#116570 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 3773
Pittsburgh, PA
My humble guess is, since the engine needs tore down again polaris is looking the dealer as Not doing their job right the first time.and from my past experience with kaw and their dealers, kaw will not pay for the same repair twice. They would expect the dealer to make it right on their own dime. (I actually went through this) then that dealer drags their feet..... from what ive read this dealer already drug their feet... im betting most of the lack of customer service is with the dealer and polaris is more than likely trying to fine out why this dealer didnt fix it right the first time. For all we know they could have
unskilled people able to correctly work on your bike and there would be the real issue.. (like most of my local kaw shops)
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okie vision
Posted 2012-06-14 10:52 AM (#116571 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
I feel for you. Not sure I wouldn't have exploded by now, not that it would do any good.
Wouldn't blame you a bit if you walked away from the brand.
Good luck.

(makes mental note NOT to shop used Visions in NC)

Edited by okie vision 2012-06-14 10:53 AM
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 11:15 AM (#116579 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
I do know that I only had one real issue with the Nomad in 49,991 miles. So far with 8650 miles on the Vision I've had four seperate issues.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-14 11:40 AM (#116581 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
While Polaris may be looking to the dealer to pick up the repair the second time, Polaris is still responsible. Any problem they have with their dealer is between them. I would look into your states laws regarding this and possibly speak to an attorney. Frankly I don't understand a company that's trying to gain market share treating a customer this way.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 11:40 AM (#116582 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
The following is a copy of the email I got from Victory.

Got it, Steve. I spoke to my contact in tech services this morning who is getting an update from the dealer. They will get your situation resolved, and I am looking to get an accurate ETA on the repair. From my end, I want you back on the road on your Vision as soon as possible.

A quick note?our Facebook page is a place where our Victory community speaks their mind, and the messages are not always positive. We appreciate honest feedback, and respect the fact that our fans and owners can speak their mind. That said, calling our products ?rip offs? and ?pieces of junk? and implying that we have ?piss poor customer service? and that we are not honoring our warranty makes my job of getting updates for you, and connecting to our tech services, harder for me. I don?t repair the machines, but I want to see this through to the resolution. If you want to communicate your frustration, all I ask is that you send it to me via email, and I?ll make sure it gets to the people that handle service directly. I?ll leave this up to you, and in the meantime, I will continue to push for updates for you, and of course, our dealer will continue to work to get your issue resolved.

Let me know if you have any questions.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 11:42 AM (#116584 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
I will use any means available to get my point across and to warn others when I feel like I'm getting ripped off in this situation.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-14 11:48 AM (#116585 - in reply to #116584)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
I honestly feel Visions are well built bikes, I know there's going to be an exception to everything and yours obviously is that exception. I think Victory does need to step up their customer service. The one time I called them I was disappointed.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 11:53 AM (#116586 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
The way it seems is once Victory and the dealer get their money out of the sale then you are just so much crap under their shoes.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 11:56 AM (#116587 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
The email I got makes it sound like I can bitch all I want as long as it's not in a public forum.
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eddieb177
Posted 2012-06-14 12:07 PM (#116588 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 26
Philly Pa.
I have found that the dealers suck and polaris needs to listen to there costumers better. I have try three difrent dealers and they all suck. do the work myself now no one touchs the bike....
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2012-06-14 1:25 PM (#116596 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 3773
Pittsburgh, PA
When i had problems with my kaw vn800b the dealer was a joke and when i called kawasaki i was told by the man in the phone.. "its not a perfect world." Then he hung up..... i didnt even raise my voice to him. So i called back and asked to speak to a supervisor and that person acted like he could care less... when i belonged to vroc one of my local members had his drive shaft go bad on his nomad. It took 12 weeks for a complete new unit to arrive from japan to the dealer..

Edited by Arkainzeye 2012-06-14 1:26 PM
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 1:35 PM (#116598 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
Sounds like all of them have the attitude that once they get you money they could care less.
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glighto11
Posted 2012-06-14 1:57 PM (#116600 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 741
Central New York
Dealers have a hard nut to crack, especially when it comes to trying to balance the cost of employing a top technician against the likelihood that most bike owners prefer to do their own tinkering.

That said and acknowledged, the manufacturer, Polaris, needs to step up more to support warranty work. Perhaps "factory service centers" of some sort would be an answer. That's for Polaris to figure out.

As for Polaris, corporate management needs to get their head on straight. They have to stop thinking everything is like a snowmobile. A luxury toy which really doesn't matter a whole lot if it is down for a considerable time. Motorcycles, for a growing number of people are a primary mode of transportation.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2012-06-14 2:04 PM (#116602 - in reply to #116600)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 3773
Pittsburgh, PA
glighto11 - 2012-06-14 1:57 PM

Dealers have a hard nut to crack, especially when it comes to trying to balance the cost of employing a top technician against the likelihood that most bike owners prefer to do their own tinkering.

That said and acknowledged, the manufacturer, Polaris, needs to step up more to support warranty work. Perhaps "factory service centers" of some sort would be an answer. That's for Polaris to figure out.

As for Polaris, corporate management needs to get their head on straight. They have to stop thinking everything is like a snowmobile. A luxury toy which really doesn't matter a whole lot if it is down for a considerable time. Motorcycles, for a growing number of people are a primary mode of transportation.


+1
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varyder
Posted 2012-06-14 2:20 PM (#116603 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
It's just not polaris, it's pretty much everybody in the industry. People sees a motorcycle as a toy or luxury item and most people feel that way. It is only the few that feel otherwise.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-14 3:24 PM (#116607 - in reply to #116603)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109

varyder - 2012-06-14 2:20 PM It's just not polaris, it's pretty much everybody in the industry. People sees a motorcycle as a toy or luxury item and most people feel that way. It is only the few that feel otherwise.

 I've only dealt with Honda's customer service but to be honest I was very pleased with them. That being said I agree with others when they say Polaris needs to understand that a large number of their bikes are used as primary transportation.

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Fastfred
Posted 2012-06-14 3:53 PM (#116610 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: RE: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 284
mansfield, MA United States
I am sorry you are having this problem. Believe me I know what you are going thou. I had a 08 vision with an engine sound that was like a loud knock. They could not find the problem! My local dealer pulled the engine 2 times and split the case. Each time I was without a bike for weeks. I was beyond pist off. The sound was still there. My dealer told me they just could not figure it out. They were stumped. About a month after that I was going to work and my power started going nuts. I was losing power. I pulled into another Victory dealer because they were close and they checked my stator. It was bad. After they replaced the stator the sound was gone! And the bike ran good. After everything was said and done I loved my vision and didn?t want to change. I had around 60k miles on it and liked the look of the 2011?s so I went out and traded the 08 in on a 2011. I put 30k miles on the 2011 and guess what. I blew the engine! Now I have talked to a lot of people with a lot of millage and this is just unheard of. But it happens. With that said I admit I was very mad and upset I was losing my bike again. But I am very lucky because the dealer I use has one of the best mechanics in the business and is very well known. He is also recommended as one of only a few mechanics by lloydz. My dealer also gave me a loaner bike because he knew I road every day rain sun or snow. I was going on a trip to Helen Ga for the south east rally and he put the bike together in time for me to break the rebuilt engine in before I left. Victory has always stood behind every problem I have had. I think your problem may be your dealer. But I do understand your frustration. But my next bike will be a Vision.



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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 4:36 PM (#116612 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
Well the dealer actually called me today and said that the repair parts were going to be overnighted by Victory and they would start the rebuild as soon as the parts arrive. Of course these are the same people who told me they were going to start checking out my problem as soon as I took the bike in and then they put it in a corner and didn't touch it for two weeks. It still sucks that they are trying to cram a twice rebuit motor down my throat and saying it will be good as new. In my case new wasn't worth a damn.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 4:42 PM (#116613 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
Believe it or not, we went to Daytona and did a lot of the Victory stuff. I am a firm believer that the Vision is a quality bike and love the look and ride of mine. But it looks like the deal breaker could be all of the BS about the engine. It sill really burns my ass that they didn't just drop a new engine in it after it lost oil pressure because of the crushed o-ring from assembly. Had they done that I would probably be one of their biggest and most vocal fans instead of a really pissed off customer.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-14 5:25 PM (#116615 - in reply to #116612)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109

xsubrider - 2012-06-14 4:36 PM Well the dealer actually called me today and said that the repair parts were going to be overnighted by Victory and they would start the rebuild as soon as the parts arrive. Of course these are the same people who told me they were going to start checking out my problem as soon as I took the bike in and then they put it in a corner and didn't touch it for two weeks. It still sucks that they are trying to cram a twice rebuit motor down my throat and saying it will be good as new. In my case new wasn't worth a damn.

 I honestly don't blame you for being upset. A new motor, seems to me, would be the least they could do. It amazes me that so many people fail to see that word of mouth can be the cheapest or the most expensive advertising.

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Arkainzeye
Posted 2012-06-14 6:37 PM (#116628 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 3773
Pittsburgh, PA
hey FastFred what happened (failed) in your 2011 vision?
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 7:55 PM (#116636 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
Could I get any of you to post your opinion of my problem on Victory's Facebook page? Any help would be appreciated.
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MaddMAx2u
Posted 2012-06-14 9:02 PM (#116643 - in reply to #116561)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 880
Orlando, FL
xsubrider - 2012-06-14 8:54 AM

I think they should have replaced the engine or bike the first time. The engine suffered a loss of oil pressure and sounded like it was tearing itself apart when I stopped it. I begged for a new engine then. I'm still begging for one. My pleas fall on deaf ears when it comes to Polaris.


I'm with you on this one. The dealer IS Polaris/Victory. And this bike should have had a new engine the first time. When the dealer placed his request for warrenty repairs to Vic, they should have seen the issue and said, nope, here's a new engine. I love my Vic, but this crap has to stop if they want to be a real success in the industry.

Nuff Said.
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Lotzafun
Posted 2012-06-14 9:25 PM (#116653 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL
Just bouncing an idea around my head.....but......

Would you be willing to pay a percentage of the cost of the new motor?

Reason I ask is because if you think about this for a minute you did get some miles out of this motor and now you want a motor with zero miles. I'm thinking if they put a new motor in they might be "bettering" you. So therefore a betterment charge might be the route to go, based on the mileage you got out of the existing motor.

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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-14 9:36 PM (#116654 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
Not just no but hell now. When it only had 1800 miles on it the motor crapped out. I begged them to replace it then. I told them I didn't trust the motor. I have a warranty on a product I paid for and now I want Victory to honor that warranty.
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Monkeyman
Posted 2012-06-15 2:09 AM (#116666 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1066
Peru, IN
1800 miles on a motor IS brand new.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-15 4:14 AM (#116669 - in reply to #116666)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
You shouldn't pay a dime and I'll be happy to go to Victory's facebook page.
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pollolittle
Posted 2012-06-15 7:28 AM (#116685 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Just an FYI, try buying an atv motor from honda. I couldnt do it. I could buy wvery single part from them but not the whole motor. New motor or old motor, rebuilt if done correctly is just as good as new. There is a number on your case that matches that bike. Just thinking outloud. Glad to see there is some communication.
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Lotzafun
Posted 2012-06-15 8:36 AM (#116692 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL
Like I said....it was just a bouncy idea......didn't realize you only had 1800 miles.

But now that I do I'd suggest you are at the point of considering chatting with an attorney and see if there are legal options available to solve this problem. Could be as easy as a simple letter sent from the attorney's office. Keep in mind that the attorney is not going to care very much about the emotional side of this, such as your frustrations. They are going to want a detailed timeline of what has transpired so far. The timeline needs to have dates and times of when the bike went in the shop and who was talked to when and a brief description of what was said. They are also going to want copies of any paperwork, including your warranty.

Victory and/or Polaris doesn't care at all about any of the complaining you have done on here or Facebook or on the street or anywhere else. So trying to get us and others to go on their Facebook page is not going to help solve the problem. I mean we sympathize with you and are frustrated when we hear things like this.....but us typing out responses ain't going to do crap when it comes to getting your problem solved.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-06-15 8:57 AM (#116693 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
It was 1800 miles when the engine was repaired the first time and 8600 miles this time.
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varyder
Posted 2012-06-15 8:57 AM (#116694 - in reply to #116692)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

Lotzafun - 2012-06-15 9:36 AM

Victory and/or Polaris doesn't care at all about any of the complaining you have done on here or Facebook or on the street or anywhere else. So trying to get us and others to go on their Facebook page is not going to help solve the problem. I mean we sympathize with you and are frustrated when we hear things like this.....but us typing out responses ain't going to do crap when it comes to getting your problem solved.

Put very well - the key is not to get emotional about things like this, passionate yes, emotional no.  Have all your facts, analyze your steps and document all steps.  Having patience, which most of us feel we've extended beyond our capability in these types of situations, will often yield better results.  Human nature kicks in when the pressure is on and frustration starts to mount. It's like ordering a steak and then find out it is not cooked to your satisfaction.  You insist it is done to your satisfaction and the waiter takes it to the cook with the complaint.  To vent his frustration, while he is cooking it to your satisfaction, he spits on it for revenge.

Hopefully all will be resolved in due time.  I believe many of us feel your pain and cheer you on for a resolution, beyond that, there is not much else we can do...

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efd158
Posted 2012-06-15 9:16 AM (#116697 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 122
Westchester Co., NY
My '11 VV is my second Victory. While I have not had the Vision for long, both bikes have been extremly reliable. My experience with the dealers has been far less favorable. I just dropped off my Vision to a dealer I never used before to add some electrical add-ons (I hate electrical work). This one seems more knowlwdgeable then other dealers I have used. Hopefully I have found a good dealer to go with my, so far, reliable bike.
I hope your problems are resolved quickly and to your satisfaction. Most Victory owners I know are very satisfied with the bikes. But I guess there is always one lemon and yours seems to be compounded by a sub-par dealer.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-15 9:34 AM (#116698 - in reply to #116697)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
I'm going to have to disagree with your thinking Polaris doesn't care or that complaining won't help. Victory will never let you know the difference it makes but they listen if enough people voice their concern.
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MaddMAx2u
Posted 2012-06-15 10:50 AM (#116701 - in reply to #116692)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 880
Orlando, FL
Lotzafun - 2012-06-15 9:36 AM

Like I said....it was just a bouncy idea......didn't realize you only had 1800 miles.

But now that I do I'd suggest you are at the point of considering chatting with an attorney and see if there are legal options available to solve this problem. Could be as easy as a simple letter sent from the attorney's office. Keep in mind that the attorney is not going to care very much about the emotional side of this, such as your frustrations. They are going to want a detailed timeline of what has transpired so far. The timeline needs to have dates and times of when the bike went in the shop and who was talked to when and a brief description of what was said. They are also going to want copies of any paperwork, including your warranty.

Victory and/or Polaris doesn't care at all about any of the complaining you have done on here or Facebook or on the street or anywhere else. So trying to get us and others to go on their Facebook page is not going to help solve the problem. I mean we sympathize with you and are frustrated when we hear things like this.....but us typing out responses ain't going to do crap when it comes to getting your problem solved.


+1

Personally, I think too many people wait way to long to seek legal remedies. But I am lucky enough to have access to legal counsel at any time. When I have a problem that stinks like yours, I ask once nicely, and if they are unwilling to take care of it after asking once, I go legal. It's kinda like going Postal, except rather than your getting all angry and shitz, you have someone else do that for you while you go enjoy life.

Shortly after buying my ride last year I had an issue with my selling Vic dealer. (It's a thread somewhere in this forum) The service manager said he had talked to the owner and they were not going to fix it. I said, ok, I'll just give it to my lawyer and he smugly told me to "go ahead". I had another dealer do the repairs and I paid for it out of my pocket. My lawyer took over after that and within 10 days I received a check for the retail cost of the repair plus some. Just think, the seliling dealer could have spent less and had a happy, business referring customer. He blew it.

Recently I had an automotive service manager look at me surprised when he would not correct my problem satisfactorily. He actually looked at me and said, "I'm surprised your not upset, most people get angry". I simply replied, "I don't get angry anymore. I have lawyers to do that for me". Standing there I called my lawyer on my iPhone using the speaker. When the service manager heard my lawyer come on the line, he suddenly decided to handle my problem. I invited my lawyer to play golf while the service manager fixed my problem. Amazing!

Never wait. Ask once nicely, then GO LEGAL. Waiting only makes it harder to get a satisfactory remedy.

Edited by MaddMAx2u 2012-06-15 10:54 AM
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Lotzafun
Posted 2012-06-15 10:51 AM (#116702 - in reply to #116693)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL

xsubrider - 2012-06-15 8:57 AM It was 1800 miles when the engine was repaired the first time and 8600 miles this time.

Ok....8600 miles does possibly bring the betterment discussion back into the picture. Basically you got about 10% (or a little less) worth of usage from the motor. The fact that you think it should have had the motor replaced at 1800 miles doesn't have any merit at this point, its kinda just an emotional argument. And its an emotional argument that you want a new motor with zero miles and that you do not want to pay anything for it and that you will settle for nothing less.

But the fact is that you did get 8600 miles from this motor and a motor with zero miles would be a benefit to you, so therefore you should consider paying something for this benefit. What if you had 20,000 or 50,000 miles??  Mileage is mileage, whether its 1800 or 8600 or whatever mileage.

Think about this from an insurance company point of view. If you are in an accident that requires replacement of a tire or forks or battery or exhaust or brakes or motor or anything else that wears out due to mileage and/or time the insurance company will replace the damaged item with new but often times they will charge betterment for that item. Now I will say that not all insurance companies do this on all items, but most do.

I'm not trying to take the dealer or Victory's or Polaris's side here. Personally (and emotionally) I think you are getting the run-around and I would be very frustrated and a few other unmentionable emotions if it was my bike. I'm just trying to show you another side of this problem....a somewhat unemotional and somewhat factual side. My idea is just something for you to consider as an option to get what you want. I think you are far enough along in this problem that you need to start to realize that your emotional "demands" ain't getting your problem solved. Between a the lawyer option and/or a betterment option your solution is hopefully available.

 

 

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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-15 11:37 AM (#116706 - in reply to #116702)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
I cannot seem to find any info on a Vision warranty but I highly doubt there is any mention of usage depreciation,the exception might be the battery. I know the car manufacturers are not allowed to charge depreciation on their basic warranty.
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tonyj
Posted 2012-06-16 8:44 AM (#116793 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 111
Salina, KS
I don't want to sound like an ass here, but I get tired of hearing people bag on Victory because they didn't helicopter in a new bike, engine or crew of engineers everytime their bike goes down. When you buy a bike you also agree to a warranty contract offered by the manufacturer. Having worked in the heavy-duty diesel industry my entire adult life, I have worked for company's that bend over backwards to make sure customers are taken care of regardless of how money they will recoup from the warranty claim, and others that will not. I know I have sent engines down the road thinking I found the root of the problem only to find out later that there was more to it. It sucks to have a mechanical problem on a machine that is supposed to be for enjoyment, but it happens and often times your experience during the repair process has more to do with the repair facility than it does with the manufacturer.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-06-16 8:31 PM (#116818 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
I don't think anyone expects Victory to do anything unreasonable. But having spent my adult life in the new car industry I don't think a new engine is unreasonable in light of the problems his Vision has.
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AUSIE JACK
Posted 2012-06-17 3:50 AM (#116830 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 19
I did a lot of forum research before buying my 2010 VV. Majority view is that polaris sell premium priced products based on performance and reliability. That said I hoped I would get what most get and not the rare lemon. So far so good for me. I also talked with owners about their views on the Victory owned Melbourne shop. My experiences have been very good.
I have read about a few bad victory experiences and most get resolved over time. Keep us updated and I hope you get a successful resolution.
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xsubrider
Posted 2012-07-01 8:04 PM (#118209 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Cruiser

Posts: 102
Cary, NC
Got the bike back last Saturday. They replaced the rear cylinder, both pistons, rings, new oil and filter. The bike was in the shop for a month. You'd think it wojld have been easier and quicker to just pjt in a new engine. The bike is running good now but there is still a lot of resentment on my part about how this was handled by Victory.
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varyder
Posted 2012-07-01 8:25 PM (#118216 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Sounds like you need a long ride to get over it. Glad it's running good now.
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okie vision
Posted 2012-07-01 8:33 PM (#118220 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
ditto here. really hope it"s trouble free for you
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pollolittle
Posted 2012-07-01 9:17 PM (#118222 - in reply to #116541)
Subject: Re: 2011 Vision update


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
See if you can ride the resentment out of it. For a motor the replaced quite a bit. Put it in perspective that maybe sone of the troubles you had slipped through QA on Friday. Its fixed now go ride all your triubles out of it. I bet it repays you well. If not, ill take it off your hands for chump change and let it bother me. GIT R DUN!
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