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| Why do I Darkside?
It isn’t because I like to hide
No I am not snide, but I don’t like to abide
Really I Darkside, because I like to ride
The other side will try to shanghai and lie that you’re going to be broadsided on the roadside, while joyriding down the seaside, and turned into rawhide pie
and no I haven’t died They will cry that isn’t properly applied nor has it complied, but really they like to misguide the tide with diatribe from the backside. You can’t go around the hillside or avoid colliding a landslide without being denied a slide into the curbside. We say why do you decry the Darkside if you never tried to ply your Levi’s on a joyride around the stateside? On the upside by the hearthside, we can be allied, because we take pride and we like to ride.
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New Bohemia, VA | More like darkside eminem...lol -- good | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2012-06-19 2:59 PM
More like darkside eminem...lol -- good
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| varyder - 2012-06-19 2:59 PM
More like darkside eminem...lol -- good
Now that you mention it, it does. Kinda hard to be Suess like when you start with word Darkside. | |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | that's very good! I also think it would be a good rap  | |
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| Come on people, no poetic comebacks? The idea of this thread is to bash each other without getting all worked up.
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Land O Lakes, FL | I would love to take someone's Vision for a ride that's on the Darkside to see if I would like it or not. I've been considering it but I'm such a handling fanatic that even the slightest thing that tweaks the handling off annoys me. | |
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Orlando, FL | sgiacci - 2012-06-20 8:45 AM
Come on people, no poetic comebacks? The idea of this thread is to bash each other without getting all worked up.
Sure sgiacci (pronounced for this post as...... skwee-ah-chi)
Titled
DARKSIDE QUAD
I heard about this darkside
from squicci on this board.
And now I am a ridin'
With the Darkside Hoarde.
We be riding on the freeway,
the super slab they say;
And lovin' every minute
of the Darkside ridin day.
But then it came to happen
that my fine car tire blew,
and I went into the pavement
my body all askew.
Now I an a quad,
and cannot stoke my willy;
But hey, I went darkside!
so cummin seems so silly~
There is one thing that really sucks,
and really frosts my face....
Is Insurance man denied me.
And said "You got no case!"
So I called me up a lawyer
He said sure let's sue 'em now,
He told me I could be holden,
Half the golden cow!
But seems my CT was not kosher.
It never was ok;
So now I live on medicaid,
And whatever welfare pay.
My lawyer said we didn't win,
Didn't get a buck.
Said the jury was a-laughin'
So I really am f@ck......ed.
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| MaddMAx2u - 2012-06-21 5:23 PM
sgiacci - 2012-06-20 8:45 AM
Come on people, no poetic comebacks? The idea of this thread is to bash each other without getting all worked up.
Sure sgiacci (pronounced for this post as...... skwee-ah-chi)
Titled
DARKSIDE QUAD
I heard about this darkside
from squicci on this board.
And now I am a ridin'
With the Darkside Hoarde.
We be riding on the freeway,
the super slab they say;
And lovin' every minute
of the Darkside ridin day.
But then it came to happen
that my fine car tire blew,
and I went into the pavement
my body all askew.
Now I an a quad,
and cannot stoke my willy;
But hey, I went darkside!
so cummin seems so silly~
There is one thing that really sucks,
and really frosts my face....
Is Insurance man denied me.
And said "You got no case!"
So I called me up a lawyer
He said sure let's sue 'em now,
He told me I could be holden,
Half the golden cow!
But seems my CT was not kosher.
It never was ok;
So now I live on medicaid,
And whatever welfare pay.
My lawyer said we didn't win,
Didn't get a buck.
Said the jury was a-laughin'
So I really am f@ck......ed.
skwee-ah-chi? Funny, but really?
A quad you may be, but your old lady may think your tongue is just dandy
On you face she likes to sit, but God help you if she has to sh**
Your lawyer does suck, or maybe he just doesn't give a f**k.
Cuz if he had half a brain, he wouldn't have left you in such pain
If to court you did lose, then why didn't welfare or medicare refuse
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Orlando, FL | Yea, ok Stevie boy. It's all fun and games unless your the poor guy that gets the shaft. You asked for a reply and I gave you one. Now you're just being an ass. Like it or not the reality is that you are taking a risk if you run a CT without your insurance company knowing. We all take risks, and if this one doesn't bother you, fine. But it seems to bother a biker that was on a Gold Wing in FL that is a quad. So I won't say anymore on this subject. I'm tired of taking to people that refuse to acknowledge the POSSIBLE risk. Run a CT. Take a Risk. It's your ass not mine.
Oh, and as for you're cute little sign sign-off. There's a ton of people that break and don't heal. They lay in bed for the rest of their lives unable to move, fed with a tube. Or did that data elude you too?
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Tampa, Fl United States | PhantomX - 2012-06-21 9:28 AM
I would love to take someone's Vision for a ride that's on the Darkside to see if I would like it or not. I've been considering it but I'm such a handling fanatic that even the slightest thing that tweaks the handling off annoys me.
You can drive mine,didn't I meet you at Wiregrass Mall last Saturday?
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| From a motercycle tire to a car tire now I have a new tire
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| MaddMAx2u - 2012-06-22 8:24 PM
Yea, ok Stevie boy. It's all fun and games unless your the poor guy that gets the shaft. You asked for a reply and I gave you one. Now you're just being an ass. Like it or not the reality is that you are taking a risk if you run a CT without your insurance company knowing. We all take risks, and if this one doesn't bother you, fine. But it seems to bother a biker that was on a Gold Wing in FL that is a quad. So I won't say anymore on this subject. I'm tired of taking to people that refuse to acknowledge the POSSIBLE risk. Run a CT. Take a Risk. It's your ass not mine.
Oh, and as for you're cute little sign sign-off. There's a ton of people that break and don't heal. They lay in bed for the rest of their lives unable to move, fed with a tube. Or did that data elude you too?
Ok so you want to get all serious and take this personal then here you go.
Before I installed the car tire I did called my insurance company, and I quote "the tire must adhear to DOT regulations, and since it does, then everything is covered". I then called the DMV, and reviewed the US DOT regulations. The DMV stated the same thing as my agent did, and I have been unable to find regualtions limiting the use of a car tire on a motorcycle in the US DOT regulations.
My little sign off is about the fucken 8 months I spent in a wheel chair, and the fucken fact that I didn't fucken give up, and got back on a bike. I still have limited mobility and a steel rod in my leg. So don't fucken tell me I have no fucken idea what it is like, because I have a real fucken good idea of what it is like to be fucked up by a crash. And I had the crash on a bike with a motherfucken motorcycle tire on it!
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West Bend, WI | WOW!!!!!!!! This is all I have to say. Did not think I would see this type of language on this forum. :-( | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | dollarbillwi - 2012-06-26 6:08 PM
WOW!!!!!!!! This is all I have to say. Did not think I would see this type of language on this forum. :-(
For a second i thought i accidentlly logged back on the delphi vulcan forum! LOL you know what im talking about even if you dont say so Bill.... lol | |
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West Bend, WI | Arkainzeye - 2012-06-26 6:32 PM
dollarbillwi - 2012-06-26 6:08 PM
WOW!!!!!!!! This is all I have to say. Did not think I would see this type of language on this forum. :-(
For a second i thought i accidentlly logged back on the delphi vulcan forum! LOL you know what im talking about even if you dont say so Bill.... lol
Chris....you are reading my mind , I was just not going to say it...... | |
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Orlando, FL | sgiacci - 2012-06-26 9:51 AM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-06-22 8:24 PM
Yea, ok Stevie boy. It's all fun and games unless your the poor guy that gets the shaft. You asked for a reply and I gave you one. Now you're just being an ass. Like it or not the reality is that you are taking a risk if you run a CT without your insurance company knowing. We all take risks, and if this one doesn't bother you, fine. But it seems to bother a biker that was on a Gold Wing in FL that is a quad. So I won't say anymore on this subject. I'm tired of taking to people that refuse to acknowledge the POSSIBLE risk. Run a CT. Take a Risk. It's your ass not mine.
Oh, and as for you're cute little sign sign-off. There's a ton of people that break and don't heal. They lay in bed for the rest of their lives unable to move, fed with a tube. Or did that data elude you too?
Ok so you want to get all serious and take this personal then here you go.
Before I installed the car tire I did called my insurance company, and I quote "the tire must adhear to DOT regulations, and since it does, then everything is covered". I then called the DMV, and reviewed the US DOT regulations. The DMV stated the same thing as my agent did, and I have been unable to find regualtions limiting the use of a car tire on a motorcycle in the US DOT regulations.
My little sign off is about the fucken 8 months I spent in a wheel chair, and the fucken fact that I didn't fucken give up, and got back on a bike. I still have limited mobility and a steel rod in my leg. So don't fucken tell me I have no fucken idea what it is like, because I have a real fucken good idea of what it is like to be fucked up by a crash. And I had the crash on a bike with a motherfucken motorcycle tire on it!
Wow, such language~ And why are you taking this personally? A little touchy are we? And just an FYI. An unrecorded, non-confirmed phone call don't mean #$%@#$ in a court room. If it ain't in writing, well, it just ain't!
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| MaddMAx2u - 2012-06-26 10:35 PM
sgiacci - 2012-06-26 9:51 AM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-06-22 8:24 PM
Yea, ok Stevie boy. It's all fun and games unless your the poor guy that gets the shaft. You asked for a reply and I gave you one. Now you're just being an ass. Like it or not the reality is that you are taking a risk if you run a CT without your insurance company knowing. We all take risks, and if this one doesn't bother you, fine. But it seems to bother a biker that was on a Gold Wing in FL that is a quad. So I won't say anymore on this subject. I'm tired of taking to people that refuse to acknowledge the POSSIBLE risk. Run a CT. Take a Risk. It's your ass not mine.
Oh, and as for you're cute little sign sign-off. There's a ton of people that break and don't heal. They lay in bed for the rest of their lives unable to move, fed with a tube. Or did that data elude you too?
Ok so you want to get all serious and take this personal then here you go.
Before I installed the car tire I did called my insurance company, and I quote "the tire must adhear to DOT regulations, and since it does, then everything is covered". I then called the DMV, and reviewed the US DOT regulations. The DMV stated the same thing as my agent did, and I have been unable to find regualtions limiting the use of a car tire on a motorcycle in the US DOT regulations.
My little sign off is about the fucken 8 months I spent in a wheel chair, and the fucken fact that I didn't fucken give up, and got back on a bike. I still have limited mobility and a steel rod in my leg. So don't fucken tell me I have no fucken idea what it is like, because I have a real fucken good idea of what it is like to be fucked up by a crash. And I had the crash on a bike with a motherfucken motorcycle tire on it!
Wow, such language~ And why are you taking this personally? A little touchy are we? And just an FYI. An unrecorded, non-confirmed phone call don't mean #$%@#$ in a court room. If it ain't in writing, well, it just ain't!
What lit my fire isn't the debate about the legalities, but the way you came off was implying that I didn't care if people got hurt. When nothing is further from the truth, and considering what I lived through I can only feel more for people who crash their bikes. My signature is to let people now that you can get through it, and get back to living. So yes I take that personally.
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Peru, IN | Chill out, Francis. (Frances? Francas?)
Progressive is very specific in their policy regarding tires. It only has to be DOT approved. Period. I called them to confirm this (and since I'm a naturally paranoid person, I recorded the time/date of the phone call and the person I spoke with as well as the actual call). They confirmed that they don't care as long as the policy is followed to the letter. I reminded them that the only thing policy stated was that the tire(s) had to be DOT approved and that I was planning to put a CAR TIRE on the back of my MOTORCYCLE. The nice lady asked if the tire was DOT approved. I said it would be and she said, "Then it will be fine.". The "will the insurance company pay if you're darksided" debate has been going on for years. I'd like someone to show me concrete proof (not my brothers best friends cousins ex room mates sister said) that any insurance claim was denied based solely on the fact that there was a car tire on the back of the bike.
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New Bohemia, VA | Why do I rightside?
Not because of pride
Or to gain your chide
Or to know I died
No, I like the right tire
I do not slip, stumble or expire
or scrap, tap or catch on fire
I like the ride that I aspire
I ride in record time
and can even stop on a dime
I can ride on that I climb
but don't need to chime
If you have trouble with right
I am dismayed at your fight
Not that you've seen the light
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| varyder - 2012-06-27 11:52 AM
Why do I rightside?
Not because of pride
Or to gain your chide
Or to know I died
No, I like the right tire
I do not slip, stumble or expire
or scrap, tap or catch on fire
I like the ride that I aspire
I ride in record time
and can even stop on a dime
I can ride on that I climb
but don't need to chime
If you have trouble with right
I am dismayed at your fight
Not that you've seen the light
maybe it is from your fright
 Well done, we needed to get back to the humor... Thank you... | |
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Orlando, FL | Oh Steve Steve Steve. I never implied you don't care about others. You can take all this as personally as you wish. But once you put it out there anything is fair game. Take it however you want. You're not the only person that has been in a bike wreck. I was in the hospital for 8 weeks, had 7 surgery's and had rehab for a year. All at the age of 17. But who cares! I don't advertise it or talk about it. I just ride.
But I recognize that people can have injuries that leave them bedridden for life. I work in healthcare and see many who never get back. Many people will never heal. Many will heal but will never be able to get back on. And loss of insurance coverage could mean the difference between poverty survival and dignity.
So again, no need to take it personally. You wanna ride Darkside, go for it. You don't need anyone's permission. And ya don't need to start a thread a forum to try to convince others to go darkside. Just enjoy your ride.
But you started a thread and asked us to chide in and respond with prose. When I did, you got all upset and took it personally.
Pulll-eze, don't put a target on your back, taunt me to shoot and then whine when I do.
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!" Harry S. Truman
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| To add a littke humor also, Somebody hit be from behind & the bike had a car tire on it. Thier estamate to repair didn't include a car tire. they used the correct motorcyle tire as replacement. | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Glad you're ok! I wouldn't expect the insurance company to give me any compensation but for the "correct" replacement parts. Now you can buy a spare and mount it on the back like a Lincoln. | |
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| MaddMAx2u - 2012-06-22 8:24 PM
Yea, ok Stevie boy. It's all fun and games unless your the poor guy that gets the shaft. You asked for a reply and I gave you one. Now you're just being an ass. Like it or not the reality is that you are taking a risk if you run a CT without your insurance company knowing. We all take risks, and if this one doesn't bother you, fine. But it seems to bother a biker that was on a Gold Wing in FL that is a quad. So I won't say anymore on this subject. I'm tired of taking to people that refuse to acknowledge the POSSIBLE risk. Run a CT. Take a Risk. It's your ass not mine.
Oh, and as for you're cute little sign sign-off. There's a ton of people that break and don't heal. They lay in bed for the rest of their lives unable to move, fed with a tube. Or did that data elude you too?
Have not heard of the GW down with a car tire,,,,,do you have more info? Link perhaps? Thanks. | |
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Orlando, FL | It's a case in progress. I'm sorry it I gave the impression that the GW had a CT. He did not. But his insurance company is dragging their feet in a settlement. And no one else is offering to pay a ton for future medical bills, and income to support him, etc. Hence a law suit that he may or may not win. The point was that people seem to think if the tire is DOT approved everything is ok. That is a fantasy. Sure, YOUR insurance company might pay your policy max (In Florida we are no fault). But what's your max policy limit? 25k? 50k? 100k? 300k? Big deal. On going medical bills, a need for an income (ya can't find work easy as a quad) and more. And having a car tire which any expert will testify to as a potential safety issue will not be a help if you are suing someone. And then again they might refuse to pay, forcing you to sue. Yes, please do a google search for expert opinions on care tires on motorcycles and see what you get. It won't be a thumbs up.
Again, I could give a rat's ass who rides with a CT. Lot's of us do things that are not "kosher". But remember, it's always different in a court room. And talking to someone at an insurance company and hearing them say, "Yea, it's ok as long as it's DOT approved" isn't worth a nickel in court. It's not likely to be allowed as evidence. It's called hearsay at best. So ask that Insurance company person to put it in writing on company letterhead. Good luck in getting that in writing. Then it MIGHT stand up in court. Always good to have your ass covered.
And no matter how you ride, Ride Safe, Ride Hard, and Ride it like you stole it~
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| MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-19 7:54 PM
It's a case in progress. I'm sorry it I gave the impression that the GW had a CT. He did not. But his insurance company is dragging their feet in a settlement. And no one else is offering to pay a ton for future medical bills, and income to support him, etc. Hence a law suit that he may or may not win. The point was that people seem to think if the tire is DOT approved everything is ok. That is a fantasy. Sure, YOUR insurance company might pay your policy max (In Florida we are no fault). But what's your max policy limit? 25k? 50k? 100k? 300k? Big deal. On going medical bills, a need for an income (ya can't find work easy as a quad) and more. And having a car tire which any expert will testify to as a potential safety issue will not be a help if you are suing someone. And then again they might refuse to pay, forcing you to sue. Yes, please do a google search for expert opinions on care tires on motorcycles and see what you get. It won't be a thumbs up.
Again, I could give a rat's ass who rides with a CT. Lot's of us do things that are not "kosher". But remember, it's always different in a court room. And talking to someone at an insurance company and hearing them say, "Yea, it's ok as long as it's DOT approved" isn't worth a nickel in court. It's not likely to be allowed as evidence. It's called hearsay at best. So ask that Insurance company person to put it in writing on company letterhead. Good luck in getting that in writing. Then it MIGHT stand up in court. Always good to have your ass covered.
And no matter how you ride, Ride Safe, Ride Hard, and Ride it like you stole it~
Did the search and it seemed from the 30 links I went to that the ones touting the M tire were magazines quoting motorcycle tire manufacturers and the ones that promoted the C tire were riders. I also searched for motorcycle accidents with a car tire and I couldn't find any. Do these happen often???? | |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Said this before - many times - but I will repeat it - not for the 'experts' who use CT's (they know everything) - but for you curious bikers who are distressed at the high prices of bike tires. ALL tire engineers say - "Do NOT put car tires on a motorcycle". ALL of them. I have heard this for almost 50 years - NEVER stops. Why in the HELL would you think you know better?
Sorry - I been roundy-bout this for MANY years - and too many folks have been hurt because they think they know better. YAH - if you drive your bike like a Saint - Slow and Easy - they will work. But why the hell don't you just stay in your cager ???
Sorry - again - I hope I forget this post - and forget people who (like me) - know everything ....
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Peru, IN | For the most part, CTs ride/handle the same as a MC tire. Better in some conditions. Proven fact. Not by some mathematical theory but by real world bikes in real world conditions (including roads like the Dragon) by real world riders. Track day on your Gixxer, leaned over on your knee? Maybe not. Everything else? Probably so. My motorcycle insurance policy doesn't say ANYTHING about a motorcycle tire. It DOES state that the tire must be DOT approved. (For both my current co (Geico) and previous (Progressive).) There are literally millions of miles of "testing".
If you don't believe me, try it yourself. Put your helmet/leathers/boots/gloves on and find someone with a CT on their bike. It'll take a few miles to get use to. Then ride it like you would your own bike with the MC tire. If you have an open mind, you won't come away disappointed. The better mileage and cheaper initial cost are just extras. Personally, I don't care what anyone else has on their bike. | |
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New Bohemia, VA | I always try to refrain making any comments because I've never rode the darkside, and some how that makes me unqualified to speak. However, I once seriously considered going darkside, and had folks encourage me to go darkside because of my annual mileage. The sole, two compelling reasons that I would go darkside is to be cheap and lazy. I've read every possible article, comment, interjection, and arguement of the pluses of going darkside and the only thing that jumps out at me to do it is, cheap and lazy. Mind you, I'm not speaking for you, so don't get your feathers in a ruffle. While reading all that I have read by the car tire experts, to include Mr. Monkeyman, I'm convinced not to go darkside. I agree with Mr. Tracy and find it best not to screw with a good thing. Just as I've stayed with the E3 because I'm convinced that there is not a better tire out there for my Vision, your Vision, well that is your Vision. But I do caution folks in your arguements about how great a car tire is, being able to skillfully handle your machine makes all the difference in the world. While there is not imperical data that I know of, seat of the pants means nothing. Many of bikers lost their lives over the slightest misjudgment in both skils and equipment. I would be careful to tout that an off application of a product is better than what has been tried and test in a test environment. While you maybe able to "handle" the application, others may not be able to. The next time you're out and about during riding season, take note of how other folks ride. I'm amazed at the number of "bad dude" looking bikers that I have seen, look like they still need training wheels, very unstable on their machines, and they be riding two up, scary. So to say that a car tire is better than an motorcycle tire, yet it "takes getting use to", is kind of screwy in the precision required to safely operate a motorcycle.
Okay, my ramblings usually don't make sense to me, but I feel I have to say it because I read this crap and cringe how the darksiders try to play it up that this is the greatest secret the world has ever known and nobody will listen to them. Yet, out of the mouth of the experts I go away happily on my E3s without ever considering putting a car tire on my bike.
O man, I'm ready for another rear tire, I guess I'll have to make a 3-hour trip to the dealer in Roanoke. I just put this one on about 6 months ago, wow, where does the time go...? | |
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| I had to have a rear tire replaced on the road, so the CT got repaced with a Motorcyle tire. I went back to a CT before the MT wore out because, I was more stable at slow speed, handled normal rideing curves better & got better hard braking. I would have paid more to get these, but if tire milage was less I probably would not have switch to CT. | |
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Peru, IN | "Mr. Monkeyman"? LOL I'm not a car tire expert by any means. It takes getting used to just like a crotch rocket rider would have to get used to a touring bike.
I have a ways to go before I need a new tire but I'd consider a CT as much as I would consider a MC tire. For a bike tire, I think either the stock E3 or a Cobra would be nice. I'm more concerned about stickiness than longevity. (If I can't enjoy riding the bike, who cares how long it lasts?)
Could very well be that the Vision works better with a bike tire than a car tire. I have less than 2k miles on my Vision so I have a while to figure that one out.
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Orlando, FL | Monkeyman - 2012-11-20 4:01 AM
For the most part, CT's ride/handle the same as a MC tire. Better in some conditions. Proven fact.
LOL LOL LOL. Proven fact? Think that'll hold up in a court of law? Think you can find an expert witness on tires to testify to that supposed fact? LOL LOL LOL Sorry dude, but what a rider says about a tire is an opinion, not a fact.
Again, I really do not care what tires you ride on. Like helmets, it's a personal choice. But why do some people feel the need to CLAIM without any proof that CT's are as good as a MT on a motorcycle? Gentlemen, a CT will never perform as well as a MT on a bike. And THAT is an engineering, physics and mathematical fact.
And Monkeyman, here are the facts, not opinions from riders.
It's an engineering FACT that car tires are designed for the lateral forces created by a car in a turn, and motorcycle tires are engineered and designed the the COMPLETELY DIFFERENT forces that a motorcycle creates when it LEANS in a turn. If you fail to understand that concept then everything else is a moot point. Or perhaps you have not noticed that cars do not lean into turns!
For those who are really interested in the engineering of MT tires and some comparisions to CT and light truck tires here is a link. It covers it all including all important "camber" sections, as well as horsepower to unit of contact, contact pressure to inflation pressure ratios and other important differences between CT and MT.
http://dr650.zenseeker.net/Tires/MCTireInfo.pdf
Again, please know that I do not care what you ride on. Everything we do that changes the engineering of our bikes is a choice. I just want to clear up the facts and the differences between facts and opinions. Armed with the FACTS you can make an intelligent decision, understanding the ramifications and implications of your decision including but not limited to safety, liability, performance, mileage, and legal positions. And remember, if you are riding 2 up you have a passenger to consider.
Ride hard, ride Safe and Ride it like you stole it~!
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Peru, IN | I will and has held up in court. I understand car tires were made for different forces, etc but it still works. Engineers can say what they want. The fact (proven by millions of miles) is simply that it works.
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Orlando, FL | Monkeyman - 2012-11-22 11:54 AM
1. I will and has held up in court.
2. I understand car tires were made for different forces, etc but it still works. Engineers can say what they want. The fact (proven by millions of miles) is simply that it works.
3. I don't want to argue with you so I'll just leave it at that
1. REALLY? Cite the case please. I could use the citation and cannot find one in any available legal resource.
2. Yea, those engineers, mathematicians and physicists are just plain dumb huh? I'd never believe them.
3. There really isn't an argument here. Facts are facts and opinions are like assholes.....everyone has one.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-22 12:34 PM Monkeyman - 2012-11-22 11:54 AM 1. I will and has held up in court. 2. I understand car tires were made for different forces, etc but it still works. Engineers can say what they want. The fact (proven by millions of miles) is simply that it works. 3. I don't want to argue with you so I'll just leave it at that 1. REALLY? Cite the case please. I could use the citation and cannot find one in any available legal resource. 2. Yea, those engineers, mathematicians and physicists are just plain dumb huh? I'd never believe them. 3. There really isn't an argument here. Facts are facts and opinions are like assholes.....everyone has one. Yeah, Max! Based on my STUDY & LEARNING - I have been dissing CT's for years. But MISERS never listen when it comes to saving a buck.  | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Don, that's why I refrain, or try to refrain from interjecting. The wallet is driving the train, and the imperial data is only seat of the pants testing. The sad part is, that millions of miles without something happening only means it is adequate. The mind also plays tricks on then to believe that just because they can scrap a floorboard, then is better. Stopping quicker? Only because there is more drag than a cycle tire, like tire low on air on a car. There really is no point to argue, they have convinced themselves, and settles it. | |
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| MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-22 8:42 AM
Monkeyman - 2012-11-20 4:01 AM
For the most part, CT's ride/handle the same as a MC tire. Better in some conditions. Proven fact.
LOL LOL LOL. Proven fact? Think that'll hold up in a court of law? Think you can find an expert witness on tires to testify to that supposed fact? LOL LOL LOL Sorry dude, but what a rider says about a tire is an opinion, not a fact.
Again, I really do not care what tires you ride on. Like helmets, it's a personal choice. But why do some people feel the need to CLAIM without any proof that CT's are as good as a MT on a motorcycle? Gentlemen, a CT will never perform as well as a MT on a bike. And THAT is an engineering, physics and mathematical fact.
And Monkeyman, here are the facts, not opinions from riders.
It's an engineering FACT that car tires are designed for the lateral forces created by a car in a turn, and motorcycle tires are engineered and designed the the COMPLETELY DIFFERENT forces that a motorcycle creates when it LEANS in a turn. If you fail to understand that concept then everything else is a moot point. Or perhaps you have not noticed that cars do not lean into turns!
For those who are really interested in the engineering of MT tires and some comparisions to CT and light truck tires here is a link. It covers it all including all important "camber" sections, as well as horsepower to unit of contact, contact pressure to inflation pressure ratios and other important differences between CT and MT.
http://dr650.zenseeker.net/Tires/MCTireInfo.pdf
Again, please know that I do not care what you ride on. Everything we do that changes the engineering of our bikes is a choice. I just want to clear up the facts and the differences between facts and opinions. Armed with the FACTS you can make an intelligent decision, understanding the ramifications and implications of your decision including but not limited to safety, liability, performance, mileage, and legal positions. And remember, if you are riding 2 up you have a passenger to consider.
Ride hard, ride Safe and Ride it like you stole it~!
Why are we going to court???? Why does a CT need to hold up in a court of law??? Has someone sued someone due to a CT?
Still searching......
Have heard of several MT delaminating, but can't find any about CT's. Can someone in the know point me in the right direction?
Still searching.....
Thanks
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Peru, IN | MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-22 3:34 PM
Monkeyman - 2012-11-22 11:54 AM
1. I will and has held up in court.
2. I understand car tires were made for different forces, etc but it still works. Engineers can say what they want. The fact (proven by millions of miles) is simply that it works.
3. I don't want to argue with you so I'll just leave it at that
1. REALLY? Cite the case please. I could use the citation and cannot find one in any available legal resource.
2. Yea, those engineers, mathematicians and physicists are just plain dumb huh? I'd never believe them.
3. There really isn't an argument here. Facts are facts and opinions are like assholes.....everyone has one.
1) Pay a lawyer some money to research this. They have access to sites like LexusNexus. Shouldn't take them much time/money to get your answers.
2) Engineers designed the Yugo, Hindenburg, Titanic and Space Shuttle. How well did those work out? Nobody ever said they were dumb. Don't put words in my mouth.
3) You're right. There's no arguement. I'm not quoting opinion. I'm quoting facts. Real world facts, not something that "theoretically" should work.
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| varyder - 2012-11-22 3:20 PM
Don, that's why I refrain, or try to refrain from interjecting. The wallet is driving the train, and the imperial data is only seat of the pants testing. The sad part is, that millions of miles without something happening only means it is adequate. The mind also plays tricks on then to believe that just because they can scrap a floorboard, then is better. Stopping quicker? Only because there is more drag than a cycle tire, like tire low on air on a car. There really is no point to argue, they have convinced themselves, and settles it.
Pretty sure I've seen some postings where a few people have had single vehicle accidents, and their bikes were equipped with CTs. Saying that no CT shod bike has ever taken a spill is a bit of a stretch I think. Having the rider ever admit that the CT may have been a contributing factor to a wreck, would also be a bit of a stretch.
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Orlando, FL | Monkeyman - 2012-11-23 3:35 AM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-22 3:34 PM
Monkeyman - 2012-11-22 11:54 AM
1. I will and has held up in court.
2. I understand car tires were made for different forces, etc but it still works. Engineers can say what they want. The fact (proven by millions of miles) is simply that it works.
3. I don't want to argue with you so I'll just leave it at that
1. REALLY? Cite the case please. I could use the citation and cannot find one in any available legal resource.
2. Yea, those engineers, mathematicians and physicists are just plain dumb huh? I'd never believe them.
3. There really isn't an argument here. Facts are facts and opinions are like assholes.....everyone has one.
1) Pay a lawyer some money to research this. They have access to sites like LexusNexus. Shouldn't take them much time/money to get your answers.
2) Engineers designed the Yugo, Hindenburg, Titanic and Space Shuttle. How well did those work out? Nobody ever said they were dumb. Don't put words in my mouth.
3) You're right. There's no arguement. I'm not quoting opinion. I'm quoting facts. Real world facts, not something that "theoretically" should work.
Like I said, I couldn't care less what you put on your bike. Let it go.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Yes Monkeyman, your name suits you. When you can't back up your silly unfounded statements, deflect with BS! Ooops, I mean Monkey s@#$!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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For what it's worth, I too run a CT. I like that it's cheaper and lasts longer. The best reason for me to use it is because of an injury to my right ankle I have a hard time holding the bike up with a passenger. If it leans any to the right while stopped I will drop it. The CT's flatter profile gives me just enough extra stability to keep us riding. I researched the pro's and con's and so far it works for me. If you don't like it that's OK, but don't bash me because I do. | |
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Peru, IN | wtwhitelaw - 2012-11-23 10:51 AM
Wow! This got personal quick!
Sure did. Not really sure where that came from.
ATTENTION MAX! I've changed my mind. I now agree with everything you've said. Oh. And, grow up.
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Rhode Island | Engineers have designed racked front ends, bigger front tires, lowering kits and yes, approved 2up riding all of which have an adverse effect on handling; so they aren't perfect either. Lets face it folks we ride for many reasons but for most of us it brings a sense of peace and a feeling of freedom; if we wanted to play it safe we would have bought a bubble to live in. Ride your own way and most importantly, ride within the limits of your equipment and skills.
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New Bohemia, VA | RhodeTrip - 2012-11-23 2:44 PM Engineers have designed racked front ends, bigger front tires, lowering kits and yes, approved 2up riding all of which have an adverse effect on handling; so they aren't perfect either. Lets face it folks we ride for many reasons but for most of us it brings a sense of peace and a feeling of freedom; if we wanted to play it safe we would have bought a bubble to live in. Ride your own way and most importantly, ride within the limits of your equipment and skills. Jim Will this point ever get across... +1 | |
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Orlando, FL | Monkeyman - 2012-11-23 12:11 PM
ATTENTION MAX! I've changed my mind. I now agree with everything you've said. Oh. And, grow up.
Thank goodness. Cause for a while I thought you might actually back up all the ridiculous claims you have made, and you have made quite a few. As for growing up........NEVER!!!
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| Turk: You are way off base on the braking, don't know about the exceleration. Never excelerated hard anuff to brake the rear tire loose. But I sure have braked hard anuff to lock up the rear tire with the MT on (many times)! Now with the CT I get much quicker stops with out any rear tie lockup! The prof is in the pudding (should I say stopping distance)!!! | |
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New Bohemia, VA | If you were locking up your rear tire "many times", the tire weren't the problem. In 130,000 miles of riding I've locked up the rear tire, I don't ride like an angel...I need them though... | |
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Jasper, MO | Turk - 2012-11-24 8:16 AM
While I totally agree that CTs have their constructive use on the back of some street motorcycles, and are no doubt safe enough, the idea that a CT out brakes, out accelerates, or out handles an MT is total crap. If any of that were even remotely true, you would see CT on the AMA road racing circuit. These guys would do anything to gain an advantage on the track, yet not a single one uses a CT. The reason? They do not handle "better", brake "better", or accelerate "better". The additional unsprung weight may give the illusion of better traction, but physics says otherwise.
I've never had a CT on a street bike, but they are commonly used on drag bikes for their superior traction over a MT. It stands to reason that applying the forces in the other direction (braking) would also be better from the CT. I have no idea how the handling compares in the corners between a CT and a MT, since the only corners I made on my drag bike were at the end of the track and onto the return road at a slow speed.
I can and have broken the rear tire loose on the street on my Vision and even on the drag strip when the track had not been prepped.
The bikes run on the AMA road racing circuit use very soft and very sticky tires that wouldn't last over 2000 miles on a street bike. Apples and Oranges comparison.
I've not tried it on a street bike myself, but lot's of Goldwing and Valkyrie riders have been using them for years. I'm open minded about it.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | If I took my tipovers off and put a MT back on, could I do that? That was a blast to watch!
The lastest disposable tech toy to hit the market is the 'In car HD DVR'. Kinda like a GoPro, but only $25 and motion activated. You permanently mount them to your vehicle, put in a 32gig SD card, and it continually loops all your drive time. Got one coming this month, now I just need a track, and a MT, probably better brakes, a lighter weight frame, full leather suit might come in handy, I guess a bigger set of balls might do the trick also.
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