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Pittsburgh, PA | Im not sure if this is a problem or just normal operation. I just got back from a 1500-1700 miles trip (went to the Dragon) on the way home i had the radio off. (usually ALWAYS on) and i noticed when i was coming to a light downhill i heard what i would call a low volume whirling noise, so here is what i did to TRY and isolate where i thought it was coming from. 1) held in the clutch Noise still there, 2) applied Brakes both front and rear Noise still there. 3) put transmission in (N) and still there. It almost sounds like a Slight rubbing noise.. Like i said it was lower volume and you had to listen for it.. The weather was HOT 100F and i was coming home from a 8-9 hour day of riding. Its on my 2011 Vision with only 6500 miles.
Im not sure but i think my kawasaki vulcan had a simular noise and it was belt drive, but that was Years ago..
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New Bohemia, VA | Forgive me for suggesting this as it is not to meant to be a slam, but I know how some folks can be sensitive. Could it be the rear tire? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | hey Varyder, OMG i would never take that as a Slam!! hell no.. help is help!! if its just the tire i would be Super happy!! Im a nut case when it comes to noises in anything i drive. im the person in the car that says... "Did you hear that" and everyone says no.... lol I thought my rear shock was going back on the trip as well due to noises.. here it was just loose crap in the trunk... LOL after i posted this i thought about this... i got caught in rain on the way back home (today) and i was wondering.... could it be something like the belt is dirty? its not a steady sound.. its like whoop whoop whoop 1000-2000-3000...
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| clean the belt with a old tooth brush and cheack air in tire. Wouldn't dought its E3 |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Thanks i just washed the bike and "washed" the belt. i washed it and move it a foot then clean each part of it.. i should probably put it on the sears jack and really inspect and clean it.. btw what Varyder was referring to was im using a Cartire onthe rear. Im open to it possibly being the CT. i noticed it at lower speeds and like i said with the radio off. Just making sure its nothing to worry about... In 9 days i have a 4000-5000 mile camping trip.. |
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| I noticed that noise as well. In my case it came from the belt when it got really hot and I was slowing down for a light. Kinda went ,"waa, waa, waa..." The belt gets pretty taut when the sprockets get hot. Turned out the tech had set it too tight by using the old specs. I re-adjusted it and the noise hasn't happened since that I've noticed.
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Pittsburgh, PA | marcparnes - 2012-07-04 7:03 PM
I noticed that noise as well. In my case it came from the belt when it got really hot and I was slowing down for a light. Kinda went ,"waa, waa, waa..." The belt gets pretty taut when the sprockets get hot. Turned out the tech had set it too tight by using the old specs. I re-adjusted it and the noise hasn't happened since that I've noticed.
Marc
Thank you! what you just mentioned was the same with me.. i was riding in 100F weather for 8-9 hours i checked it before i washed it.. (non tech way) by moving it up and down with my hand. it didnt seem tight.,, But i know it was hot earlier!!!!! im curious to see how it sounds the next time i ride.. Once again thank you! |
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New Bohemia, VA | marcparnes - 2012-07-04 8:03 PM I noticed that noise as well. In my case it came from the belt when it got really hot and I was slowing down for a light. Kinda went ,"waa, waa, waa..." The belt gets pretty taut when the sprockets get hot. Turned out the tech had set it too tight by using the old specs. I re-adjusted it and the noise hasn't happened since that I've noticed. Marc are you sure it wasn't cha, cha, cha...? The correct belt tension solves most problems, and making sure the wheel is straight. I've never been able to center my belt, but I've never had a problem with it either. It feels loose when cold and on the ground at the proper tension. |
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Iron Butt
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| I had the same noise and it turned out it was my E3's. Seems they do that after 5k-6k miles. On my bike it's more noticeable the hotter it gets. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | well i rode to work today (only 12 miles) and the noise was NOT there. i did noticed though that the belt seemed a little tighter than usual. so once the bike cools down i will change the oil and adjust the belt to make it a little more loose.. |
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Camas Washington | Agree its the E3s, had the same noise around 7K miles until I recently changed the tires. No more whinny noise. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I just saw on page 78 of the 2011 service manual (PDF) where it talks about "Drive Belt Cleaning" it talks about the cleaning interval is approximately every tire change, or more often if operated in dirty, dusty, or high debris environments.
I should have researched this before creating this thread. maybe it will help others? |
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| Riverdawg - 2012-07-05 12:16 PM Agree its the E3s, had the same noise around 7K miles until I recently changed the tires. No more whinny noise. only adjust bely when it has been sitting over night. Belt will get tight from riding. With bike on ground lay over seat and check for up and down. Roll bike back weard a few feet and check again laying over seat. With out weight on bike checking doesn't do much good
Edited by johnnyvision 2012-07-05 5:14 PM
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Iron Butt
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| My 2008 has started doing the same thing, but it only happens after it gets hot after a long ride 2 up. I have not been able to get it to happen riding one up. I took it to one wrench and he could only get it to happen when riding 2 up for a while. Once he heard it, he could not find the problem. He said the tire was not rubbing and the belt was fine.
The bike is currently at another wrench to try to find the problem. I am concerned about taking it on a long ride/trip.
I have a HitchDoc hitch and a Traxxion Dynamics suspension on it with stock tires. The rear Penske racing shock has more pre-load than the stock air shock so the bike sits higher with more clearance than stock. Also just noticed Traxxion Dyanamics no longer lists the Victory Vision. Does anyone know if they no longer support the Vision ??? The new wrench is grabbing at straws and I don't have much faith in them. Were you able to solve your problem? If so, what was it ? Thanks, Tim
Edited by TimS 2012-08-03 9:04 PM
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, AR United States | If it's louder in curves, I would say E3 syndrome. |
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, WI | The belts do not not like dirt. My belt was screaming on the Alaska Highway and the Dalton Highway.
I put the bike on a jack and cleaned the belt and sprockets when I got home and it was quiet again. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I have had the same noise 3 times now. 2 times on my trip to wyoming. It is the belt getting hot AND being dirty. I was not able to adjust the belt until i got home from my trip. What i was able to do was "water " the belt. I had a friend pull my bike forward as i poured water over the belt. The noise Stopped..... it only came back when it got dirty again, which took a few days of riding out west. Since ive gotten home from the trip i did a much better job of using mild soap and water to wash the belt. And i even adjusted it a little looser so when it does heat up again its not as tight. And as of right now, No more noises.... |
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Iron Butt
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| Picked up the bike today. The wrench was not able to make it happen, but also didn't ride it 2 up until it got hot. Will have to diagnose it myself. I will try cleaning the belt and pulleys to see if that makes it go away.
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Pittsburgh, PA | TimS - 2012-08-04 8:26 PM
Picked up the bike today.? The wrench was not able to make it happen, but also didn't ride it 2 up until it got hot. Will have to diagnose it myself. I will try cleaning the belt and pulleys to see if that makes it go away.
there no way a dealer is going to pay a tech to ride around ALL DAY until that thing is hot enough to make the noise.. mine took MANY hours before it would make the noise... |
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Iron Butt
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| FWIW, the previous wrench went 2 up and recreated the noise, but couldn't locate it.
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Pittsburgh, PA | TimS - 2012-08-04 11:55 PM
FWIW, the previous wrench went 2 up and recreated the noise, but couldn't locate it.
if your dealer was able to recreate the noise in a short time chances are we arent talking about the same thing... My noise took Many Hours of Hot riding before it would even begin to start. it has done this (3) times now and each time it took an almost all day ride to where you would hear it coming home from the ride.... |
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Iron Butt
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| Went riding 2 up today and it started it about 1/2 hour. Took a friend along to listen from the side. He thought it might be a rotor noise. When it started, I had him and my wife sit on the bike so I could check to see if the bike was sitting too low (shock collapsing over time). There was still about 2 inches between the tire an HitchDoc hitch so the tire/hitch does not appear to be the problem. The noise went away pretty quick after the bike sat for a few minutes and then came back later.
Edited by TimS 2012-08-05 7:28 PM
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Pittsburgh, PA | how tight is your belt. and have you WASHED your belt yet?
do you have the service manual..? there is a section in there about actually washing the belt.. |
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| I posted earlier how to adjust belt. If your willing loosen belt and take a ride. Don't hot rode it with loose belt but if the noise is gone then you know its the belt tension. Keep in mind we all have been riding in some terrible heat.
I ride most of the time with no radio so I hear all. Maybe the noise has been there for ever |
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Iron Butt
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| I washed the belt and pulley and no change. I scheduled an appointment with Arlen Ness's shop in Dublin, CA to have them go over the bike. I took off a few days and rode up there (@ 400 miles) right after Sturgis finished. They have a very nice facility and their staff was great. They replaced the clutch pack (3rd Barnett clutch started slipping, so back to the stock clutch) and also bled and replaced the brakes. They thought the noise was caused by the brakes and possibly air in the lines keeping the rear caliper from fully releasing when it got hot. So far, no more noise riding 2 up over the same terrain in a lot hotter weather.
I will keep ear out for it over the next couple of weeks. |
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Iron Butt
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| It's belt tension. Same thing happened to me. Vision belts are set much looser than the steal framed belts. Next time you ride the bike and it's nice and hot, jump off at your destination and check your belt tension. I'll bet it's tight as a drum. Because the belt is so tight, it pulls unevenly on the rear axle and can cause bearing noise and subsequent failure. A loose belt is safer than a tighter belt generally speaking... |
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