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New Bohemia, VA | Some you may know or may not know, but Sonny Barger's book "Dead In 5 Heart Beats" is soon to be released as a full-length motion picture. His choice of bikes for the leads are 6 Victory motorcycles. This is causing a stir amoung his admiring fans and they have asked him on his facebook page why the departure from Harley. His answer is "All leads rode a Victory. Our bike of choice for the film and reality." There is also an article recently published that folks ain't liking, even though Sonny has been riding his Victory for nearly 3 years now. Here's that article. Some has gone as far to say that it is all a hoax. With that said, I met Sonny while he was here in Virginia signing his book "Let's Ride" and I spoke to his wife briefly who says he absolutely loves his Vision! | |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Interesting............ | |
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W'ford Tx | Hells Angles approved! | |
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Reno County, KS | Where can I get more information on when Sonny Barger was convicted of domestic violence? I found the conviction but cannot find more details than he hit his Wife and Daughter. | |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm sure if you keep looking you'll find it. | |
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Reno County, KS | You're the subject matter OP on him plugging his book. You supposedly know a thing or two, so why not help us out? It was an honest question. How did he beat his Wife Amber? For some reason, it doesn't make me proud. In fact, it's not even him that bothers me anymore. He's at least learned a thing or two. I have to carry a gun on the highway because of the people who idolize him. So yeah, profiling thugs is something that I do a little bit.
Here's another "manly act" performed by his disciples:
"they began to beat Ms. Garcia. They used their steel toed boots and this beating became a feeding frenzy on an unarmed, defenseless woman. Mesa Mike, Augustiniak, and Paul Eischeid then took Ms. Garcia out into the desert. These three Angels proceeded to do some off-roading and dragged her into the bush. On a last attempt by Ms. Garcia, she grabbed Mesa Mike?s pant cuff and then Eischeid, who had an old dull buck knife, began to stab her over and over again. These three individuals actually took turns trying to cut off her head."
Makes you wonder what kind of man Arlen Ness is to give away a bike for $1 just to peddle his wares.
Works Cited:
**Dobyns, J. & Johnson-Shelton, N. (2009). No angel, my harrowing undercover journey to the inner circle of the hells angels Crown
Publishes, Crown Publishers, an imprint of the Crown Publishing Group, a division of Random House, Inc, New York, NY, pp-315-316
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New Bohemia, VA | I thought we were talking Victory and Visions in the media. Mr. Barger is a media influence that provides residual marketing to the brand. I do not condone any actions of the people who ride the brand. Given your rationale tells me none of should ride any brand being holier than thou. The discussion is more on popular culture influence, not idolizing people.
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Reno County, KS | varyder - 2012-09-07 7:57 PM
Or did I miss something?
Perhaps "Ethics".
So you went out of your way to plug his book and now movie online because you don't condone his actions? That makes sense. There for a minute I thought you were bragging about meeting his Wife and getting his autograph. | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Will, no beef with you, take it as you see it. | |
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Jal NM | Oh geeze! | |
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Reno County, KS | My apologies to you Varyder. I have went on a tangent and I looks like I went full personal. That was not my original intent, sir. I read a little more into your initial reply than is there. I like Son's of Anarchy just like any other red-blooded Yank. I will just state that I do not agree with the biker club mentality and back off your thread. I am proud of those folks punching time cards in Spirit Lake.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop while cranking out those miles. | |
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Orlando, FL | bigwill, I was kinda with you until you said you liked Sons of Anarchy. That seemed a bit hypocritical to me. I dislike the association of Vic and Sonny B, the Hells Angels AND Sons of Anarchy. All of those things serve to idolize "the bad guys". I'd rather have be associated with the good people in the world. What ever happened to hero's like Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Deacon Jones to name but a few. Even Clint Eastwoods old spagetti westerns featured a bad guy that was really a good guy. | |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Problem with a superior design : Both the Cops and the Outlaw bikers will recognize it. Police forces will be riding CC's probably more than Visions, but the engine and engineering are the same. Outlaws, Monguls, Bandidtos and Hells Angels will recognize the superior quality and speed of Victory's too and it has that important BIG V-Twin sound and off idle muscle.......... it is what it is ............
Edited by XRsteve 2012-09-08 7:38 AM
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New York State | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFVb3AGkXqM&feature=youtube_gdata_pl...
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, MO | I for one don't care that he rides one. He is no different than we are except he was part of one of the largest criminal organizations in America. I don't think victory needs Him to help their approval rating to grow as a company or brand. It is what it is.
Edited by copatlarge 2012-09-09 5:28 PM
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Nebraska | Riding side by side in tight formation, crossing double yellow to pass. Riding on the center line as if to say he owns the road. Hopefully not too many read his how to ride book. Sounds like a fucking idiot to me.
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| I just read where Sonny sold his vision and has a black cross country. Harley gave SOA a bunch of harley so they would use vic | |
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| just dont get why anyone would care what that ass rides? | |
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New Bohemia, VA | It's not about him, it's about who he is. It lives along the vain of "go break boundries" into a sect of the population that would not give Victory a second look otherwise. The one thing about manufacturers is they don't do background checks before you buy their product. Most of what I've read about Victory here on any forum since I came to know who they are, is that Victory doesn't reach out enough and Harley goes the distance. Harley has gone the distance since the days of the "Wild Ones". My point has always been, that the man who told his boys "Harley is what you ride, if you want to ride with us." is now riding the underdogs bike and loving it. The ones who will keep the cash flow going is the ones who buy new because of what they think motorcycling represents. I've said before, I'm useless to Victory at the moment, because I have not bought a bike from them in 5 years. But there are tons of people who watch SOA and keep up with what the "clubs" are doing, I see it everywhere. I was at a bike fest not to long ago, and 90% of the folks walking around had the "image". Victory was there with the "image". Many folks though were settling for the lower price ricers, but the more serious riders seem to be looking at the HD, Victory's and the choppers.
It's about the cash flow, the cash flow, the cash flow. What does that mean? Harley knows, that's why it is the "IMAGE" they are selling, because that is what sells. If Victory taps into that, then they become serious competition. The only way they can tap into that is by those who creates the image. Let be what it may, it only helps out Victory, whether any of us agrees or disagrees. I don't ride because anyone else rides, I ride because I love to ride. I didn't buy Victory because of any image, I bought what it will do for me, and me only. I ride because I love to ride, but I would like to see the brand survive. It will only survive if people buy, and it will not survive because of me. I may never buy another Victory in my life because I have what I want and what I need. But Victory wants people to buy and regardless who they are. If Sonny rides a Victory and 20 people buy because that is what he rides, Victory is happy. If SOA sports a Victory on the show and folks buys because of that, Victory is happy. NASCAR has done that for years the major manufacturers, what wins on Sunday sells on Mondays has been the life-blood for many models. But wait, NASCAR has it's roots in illegial activies, moonshine running, stay away, stay away. Don't buy a Chevy, that is what won on NASCAR and they have their roots in illegial activies.
Some times you have to step back and see the bigger picture. Or maybe I just don't get it. I think I'll go out and ride. | |
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, MO | Than maybe you should have explained it a little better the first time...
Jus sayin | |
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New Bohemia, VA | I love "jus sayin'"...sayings... | |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | Well said varyder . . . | |
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Green Bay, WI United States | I personally and fundamentally agree with VARYDER and his statements. No harm no foul we all live in the USA. I think Sonny has turned him self around or is giving us all a good pitch. He at least has a pair and will stand up for what he believes in, kinda like us Vision riders. Lord knows I do not own or ride any brand because of what Sonny said or thinks and still love both of my Victory's. Do you'r own thinking and ride what you the brand you believe in and if you ride one you will own a Victory - nuf said.......
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Extreme Southern, AZ United States | As a member of a club, I have to tell you I agree with Varyder. When I first was involved, most clubs rode only Harleys. The club I belong to requires an American V-Twin. When I first joinedd, I was the only member with a Victory. Now five Brothers have Victories besides me and all use them as their principal Bike. Victory should tap into this. The Victories performance as a stock motorcycle is much better, and for the same money, the performance upgrades blow the Harley's out of the water. took a lota crap for riding a Victory at first, but I perservered and showed the Brothers that the bikes are real and they are tough. | |
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Green Bay, WI United States | +2 Brother, ride on JustBob, sideways at any speed as I always say....
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New York State | Rumor is Sonny got his Vision after hearing about all the cool guys named Chris who owned them. | |
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| well ? first off, believe little of what you find on this subject, sonny, sarrah and noel were there. the police post most information on the subject , still trying to convince sonny that Noel was an informant, so ? I am not taking up for sonny for hitting Noel, except that I know her, she tested me constantly, sorry Noel, and I am sorry sarrah, but I came close to killing your mother but would never hit her. that said, sonny, I am sure was under extreme duress, the media and police were doing everything they could to convince him she was an confidential informant. so when it all happened he was in that frame of mind, cops want you to believe he beats women and children, but everybody has a snapping point, he snapped, sarrah was protecting her mother, instinct from what I understand , sonny phoned 911 , identified himself and that he had just kicked his wife and she was injured. the police jeapordized Noel's and sarrah's life spreading rumors that she was wired as an informant, the police ALWAYS claim NO responsibility, but I see it different. sonny offered no resistance and admitted what he did and was arrested for it, the police smear him for what he did, yes it was wrong, but under the situation I think he needs to be understood and that he did not deny it or fight it . he made a mistake, Noel was under a lot of strees as well, as the wife of sonny barger, the media and cops were spreading rumors she was an informant, think about that one ? so anyway, when you hear someone commenting what a terrible person he or she is, don't Judge them till you have walked in their shoes. I have respect for all 3 involved. the police though put little or no value on Noel nor sarrah spreading rumors. there is more to the story but every man and wife argue and it is between sonny and noel. the police murdered my brother, covered it up, and came after me in revenge for exposing it. they all are not the " good guy " | |
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Orlando, FL | More on Harley? Pull-eze! I mean really......WTF? Why is everyone always talking about HD on this board. Who gives a schitz? I ride a Victory! This is a Victory board. Go find an HD forum.
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New Bohemia, VA | MaddMAx2u - 2012-09-27 7:33 PM More on Harley? Pull-eze! I mean really......WTF? Why is everyone always talking about HD on this board. Who gives a schitz? I ride a Victory! This is a Victory board. Go find an HD forum. Just sayin' max, As the original poster on this one, the point of the subject was, at that time there were other post on harleys, that your comment would well be directed at. The point of this post is that Victory is finding favor among the traditional harley crowd. | |
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Orlando, FL | varyder - 2012-09-27 7:41 PM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-09-27 7:33 PM More on Harley? Pull-eze! I mean really......WTF? Why is everyone always talking about HD on this board. Who gives a schitz? I ride a Victory! This is a Victory board. Go find an HD forum. Just sayin' max, As the original poster on this one, the point of the subject was, at that time there were other post on harleys, that your comment would well be directed at.? The point of this post is that Victory is finding favor among the traditional harley crowd.?
Sorry Chris, I'm just tired of all the threads that include the word Harley. I really don't care what the "harley crowd" is doing or not doing. And I don't care what the GW, BMW, Yami, Kawi, Honda, Ducati, Suzuki crowds do either. I ride a Victory. This is a Victory Board. Das all Folks!! | |
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Texass | This is my first post, but I've been watching this site for over a year now, getting ready to buy another bike. I have a Harley, BMW, and a Goldwing. I really like what I hear and see about the Victory line, however, I'm not sure I would want to mingle with some of the bike bashers and whiners I read about on this site. I ride with different groups of riders and bikes, and there is never anyone of us saying "my bike is better than yours"!! WTF, it appears that the main reason for owning a Vision is to rack up miles, take pictures of your odometer and bash other riders! I don't understand posters such as "Varyder", you have over 6700 post, what do you do, ride a couple hundred miles, take a picture of your odometer, then post a dozen or so comments, ride again to rack up miles. Not picking on you, just using you as an example of many of the riders on this site who believe racking up miles is more important than the ride itself. I always thought the purpose of riding was to enjoy the ride, the destination, and companionship of your riding buddies. Only time any of us look at the odometer is to keep track of the routine maintenance! Just sayn', sorry if I offended anyone, don't wanna do that, I travel around the country quite a bit, hopefully I'll get to meet one or two of you. Like I said, this is my first post, but most likely my last. Ride safe. | |
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Nebraska | Then you got the guy that lurks then
does a drive by. You wont ever buy a Victory because they don't make a matching belt buckle | |
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Hinton, Iowa | He's not the real roadkill. | |
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New York State | roadkill - 2012-09-28 8:43 AM
This is my first post, but I've been watching this site for over a year now, getting ready to buy another bike. I have a Harley, BMW, and a Goldwing. I really like what I hear and see about the Victory line, however, I'm not sure I would want to mingle with some of the bike bashers and whiners I read about on this site. I ride with different groups of riders and bikes, and there is never anyone of us saying "my bike is better than yours"!! WTF, it appears that the main reason for owning a Vision is to rack up miles, take pictures of your odometer and bash other riders! I don't understand posters such as "Varyder", you have over 6700 post, what do you do, ride a couple hundred miles, take a picture of your odometer, then post a dozen or so comments, ride again to rack up miles. Not picking on you, just using you as an example of many of the riders on this site who believe racking up miles is more important than the ride itself. I always thought the purpose of riding was to enjoy the ride, the destination, and companionship of your riding buddies. Only time any of us look at the odometer is to keep track of the routine maintenance! Just sayn', sorry if I offended anyone, don't wanna do that, I travel around the country quite a bit, hopefully I'll get to meet one or two of you. Like I said, this is my first post, but most likely my last. Ride safe.
The only reason the other riders do not state that their bikes are better is because none of them ride Victorys the better bike .
Of course it is rude to point that out.
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Orlando, FL | roadkill - 2012-09-28 8:43 AM
This is my first post, but I've been watching this site for over a year now, getting ready to buy another bike. I have a Harley, BMW, and a Goldwing. I really like what I hear and see about the Victory line, however, I'm not sure I would want to mingle with some of the bike bashers and whiners I read about on this site. I ride with different groups of riders and bikes, and there is never anyone of us saying "my bike is better than yours"!! WTF, it appears that the main reason for owning a Vision is to rack up miles, take pictures of your odometer and bash other riders! I don't understand posters such as "Varyder", you have over 6700 post, what do you do, ride a couple hundred miles, take a picture of your odometer, then post a dozen or so comments, ride again to rack up miles. Not picking on you, just using you as an example of many of the riders on this site who believe racking up miles is more important than the ride itself. I always thought the purpose of riding was to enjoy the ride, the destination, and companionship of your riding buddies. Only time any of us look at the odometer is to keep track of the routine maintenance! Just sayn', sorry if I offended anyone, don't wanna do that, I travel around the country quite a bit, hopefully I'll get to meet one or two of you. Like I said, this is my first post, but most likely my last. Ride safe.
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Chattanooga, TN | I've been going about this all wrong. I haven't put a single photo of my odometer on this site! Why didn't you guys tell me about that requisite? Crap!
For the record, I ride a Victory because it fits me better than any other bike made. I'm 6'3", weigh 280 lbs, have had several knee surgeries and one minor back operation. I got my Iron Butt on this bike and love it. It's got performance, convenience, the only luxuries I need and looks damn good! I'm also gonna go see the movie, since I don't have time to read books any more. Saw Ghost Rider, and was entertained, saw Air Hogs with my daughters and was mildly amused, there just aren't many biker movies produced in relation to the number of riders imho.
I'm not making a statement of any kind by telling you all this except that I love to ride! And if the unreal roadkill doesn't get a Victory because of it, it's his loss, no skin off my back.
Ride what you ride, and love it! Screw the b.s. Leave that for the poseurs.
I hope the movie is an incredible success so we can get more biker movies made! | |
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