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Visionary
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Central Maryland | With rumors of E15 gasoline becoming a possibility in the future, I am going to want to start treating that fuel with Star Tron, in order to combat the ethanol within it.
Currently, I use SeaFoam on a semi infrequent basis to treat all of my fuels in all of my motors. The Vision poses a problem though; it uses a two tank system that is tied together with a lower fuel transfer tube between the tanks and a breather tube tied in at the top to help equalize the air pockets.
What would be the best way to start introducing Star Tron into the dual tanks? Adding Start Tron to the fuel filler cap is going to probably give a higher concentration of it only in the right tank; while the left tank will contain a lessor concentration.
I suppose that I could drain both tanks and then add the Star Tron; and then fill up to full with gas; however on subsequent fillups with the tanks only have empty (which is normally the point in when I refuel when riding locally); a dose of Star Tron is not going to make it in equal concentration to the left tank.
I hate to have to run down a whole tank of gas; as a general rule to adequately add Star Tron to both tanks.
Thoughts?
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | The fuel sloshing around while moving should be sufficient aggitation to mix the fuel/addative. Fluids don't remain static on a molecular level, they are always moving on a very small scale basis, prove it to yourself by drawing a glass of water in a smooth clear glass, let it 'rest' for a couple of hours then drop in two or three drops of colored dishwashing soap. in 5 minutes the soap will have disappated due to molecular action.
You could dose your tank with half a load of addative, fuel the bike and top off with the balance when done, but that would make for an overly complex 'mad scientist' scenario every time you stop to fuel. |
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Visionary
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| Seeing how your one that doesn't tell us where you live check out this site look for you state there is all kinds of info on the net http://pure-gas.org/ |
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | All pure gas stations in Maryland are on the eastern shore. I live in central Maryland. Already know about the website that you posted not helpful at all.
Try to stick on topic. |
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Iron Butt
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| What a tool. Figure out your own freakin topic then.... Another massage board dbag |
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | Sorry, I was asking for how to adequately mix fuel in our Vision's tanks. not for a source of pure gas... which is not always an option for many of us.
...from one "massage" board dbag to another |
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Cruiser
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Rhode Island | Dump in the StarTron begin fueling with the nozzle wide open, that should mix it up. When the pump shuts off, rock the bike to burp the left tank then slowly fill it up while rocking it.
Jim
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Tourer
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Albuquerque, NM | 5 gal gas can...fill it when gas'ing up your cage. Mix it up and fill your tank at home.
Edited by nailer 2012-10-01 9:42 AM
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Visionary
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| Treating fuel adequately with the two bladder system
pour your treatment in tank wrap your lips around filler neck and blow.
Or cut hole in left tank and pour in now lean bike to right so it flows over there and don't forget to
Blow your self.
willtill
if some one try's to help you and you don't like what they say keep it to your self |
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | johnnyvision - 2012-10-01 7:42 PM
Treating fuel adequately with the two bladder system
pour your treatment in tank wrap your lips around filler neck and blow.
Or cut hole in left tank and pour in now lean bike to right so it flows over there and don't forget to
Blow your self.
willtill
if some one try's to help you and you don't like what they say keep it to your self
Whelp. Now a "third "massage" board Dbag has surfaced. What tiny hurt feelings are had by some here. I didn't even sense my initial response to you as being "hurtful". A fellow board member immediately felt hurt though, and had to chime in. Now you post an asinine response as well 
If I can make an analogy about my original post and your initial response; I asked for a hammer.... and you handed me a screwdriver. Get it?
Apparently there's a lack of thick skin on this board. Reminds me of a Goldwing forum sometimes..... 
For the rest of you that have posted responses that have made sense to my original question, I thank you.
Edited by willtill 2012-10-01 7:23 PM
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Tourer
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Green Bay, WI United States | Looks like it time for another hijacked oil thread to cause a diversion here?????????? :-)
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Cruiser
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SF Bay Area | I would simply pour the additive into the tank and add the fuel, the fuel transfer between the tanks, combined with the sloshing while driving should mix the stuff pretty well. Try it once, if it works well... then go with it. |
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Cruiser
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NE Florida Jacksonville | Also keep in mind the fuel pump is going to help mix the additive as you ride. Within a few miles your mix should be complete with no worries. The EPA Gestapo is doing its best to shove this crap gas down everyone's throat. The AMA has been fighting the jerks but this lawless administration seems to not give a tinkers damn what damage it will create. Just my two cents worth.
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Tourer
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, IA | I LOVE corn gas |
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Tourer
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, IA | I LOVE corn gas |
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Cruiser
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, MO | Wow.. Never ceases to amaze me how a keyboard commando can hijack a thread and post some dumbass response to someone just asking a question. If you hate responding that much than try not responding at all. |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | Just add the StarTron and go for a ride. It'll get spread between the two tanks as they equalize.
While the Pure Gas website is useful for finding ethanol free gas, it is not infallible. I have gotten ethanol laced gas from stations listed on that site, always from states that no longer require labeling. There are currently 12 states plus the District of Columbia that do not require labeling for ethanol content. Since the listings are posted by consumers, with no real verification, often people will get gas from a station that has nothing about ethanol posted on the pumps and mistakenly assume that that there is no ethanol and list that station. In those states, if there is not a sign specifically stating "No Ethanol", then chances are that the gas does indeed have ethanol. Asking the clerk behind the counter about the ethanol is useless because they have no idea what is really in the storage tanks. The store MANAGER should know, but I wouldn't count on it. They have to be taught to read and interpret the BOL, and many terminals use product codes to designate the blend. The word "ethanol" may not be on the BOL, but it's in the blend. The only thing the managers have to "know" is who to pay for the gas and how many gallons to pay for. That's it.
If you really want to be sure the station you are patronizing has ethanol free gas, do a simple test. Add some food coloring to a small sample and shake it up and let it sit. If there is ethanol present, the coloring will stay mixed with the gas. If it quickly settles to the bottom, it's pure gas. Another simple test is to draw a line on a small jar about 1/10th of the way up from the bottom and fill to that point with water. Fill the rest up with gas, shake well, and let it sit awhile. If the "water level" goes higher than the line, you have ethanol in the gas. You can buy "ethanol testers" that work the same way, except they have graduated marks that will tell you the percentage of ethanol present.
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Cruiser
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, MO | Good tip Ron thanks! |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | Oops. I popped too much popcorn. Anybody want some for the show? |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Willtill, what's your problem? Johhnyvision was just trying to help you out. And, as he so very succinctly stated, you don't give us the courtesy of your location in your profile! Stop being a dick when someone's just trying to be helpful. And if this forum reminds you of another forum that is "thin-skinned, perhaps the issue is not the forum but you!!!! Slap your head and say "Duh!"
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Cruiser
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St. Louis, MO United States | Max.....
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Treating fuel adequately with the two bladder system