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CALGARY ALBERTA | I am thinking about moving from the Vision to the cross country tour. Anyone made this move? I only see the electric windshield as the big difference.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I was at the dealer today and saw a bunch of Cross's - they are just Victory's 'competitor' to the fugly HD 'tourers'. You wanna have the HD look - go ahead on it - ME? I love not looking like everyone else - and looking like I belong in the 21st century - not the 1950's ...
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Crosses are good bikes for a handlebar mounted fairing, but will never compete with a frame mounted fairing for comfort and control. HD, Honda and BMW agree. |
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SE Wisconsin | I took a cc tour @ a demo tour a couple weeks ago and it was ok . The size of the bags is the only thing I would give it over the vision. I just felt like it wasn't as balanced as the vision, I can move my vision ALL around and doesn't feel as top heavy. I sit on the vision and I can look out at the road and still see the instruments. I feel like I own the road. Just two things over the cc that I like on the vision Both are great bikes,get what makes you smile. |
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New Mexico | victoryhour - 2012-10-03 7:29 PM
I took a cc tour @ a demo tour a couple weeks ago and it was ok . The size of the bags is the only thing I would give it over the vision. I just felt like it wasn't as balanced as the vision, I can move my vision ALL around and doesn't feel as top heavy. I sit on the vision and I can look out at the road and still see the instruments. I feel like I own the road. Just two things over the cc that I like on the vision Both are great bikes,get what makes you smile.
+1
Ride one. No comparison IMHO.
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Orlando, FL | The ride on the Cross is terrible compared to my Vision. You sit ON a Cross bike. You sit IN a Vision. Ride one for a while. Then tell me you want to change. Me, I'll never go back.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I'd like to have one as a second Victory............. |
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CALGARY ALBERTA | I know I like the top load bags where you jam sh stuff in there and push down to close. The Vision takes some care to do the same.
Hmmmn |
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CALGARY ALBERTA | Yes you do sit in a Vision. With my 08 I don't have the anti lock brakes. But the new Visions and CC do. |
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Troy, NY | Boots - 2012-10-03 9:33 PM
victoryhour - 2012-10-03 7:29 PM
I took a cc tour @ a demo tour a couple weeks ago and it was ok . The size of the bags is the only thing I would give it over the vision. I just felt like it wasn't as balanced as the vision, I can move my vision ALL around and doesn't feel as top heavy. I sit on the vision and I can look out at the road and still see the instruments. I feel like I own the road. Just two things over the cc that I like on the vision Both are great bikes,get what makes you smile.
+1
Ride one. No comparison IMHO.
+1 - easyily!! |
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| I have saddle bag envy, but not enough to go from a Vision to a Cross Country as my primary machine. |
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| If you read enough they all complain about wind buffeting way more then the vision |
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Jal NM | They are both good bikes and have pros and cons but for me the vision is the best all around bike ever. |
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Chandler, AZ | The saddlebags alone are worth switching for......volume, far easier to load/unload, and easily removable to check rear tire pressure without laying down on the ground or dropping the VV on the tipovers! Far easier to remove the trunk as well, if that's a factor for you. Had to offer a counterpoint to some of the previous posts. And, yes, I did own a Vision before. |
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| Double Vision - 2012-10-03 9:46 PM I have saddle bag envy, but not enough to go from a Vision to a Cross Country as my primary machine. +1 |
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Bella Vista, AR | XRsteve - 2012-10-03 9:04 PM
I'd like to have one as a second Victory.............
I'd love to have another Vic to go along with my Vision, but it would have to either be a Judge or Hammer 8-Ball. |
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Nebraska | My wife hates the look of the Vision. She fell in love with the CC. Back in June she gave me the green light to trade my 08 vv on a cc. I did my home work. The last step was a side by side cc vs vv . Ended up with a new Vision. Same color as the 08 it was 2 days before she noticed |
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| The wind buffeting on the CC is way too much for me.looking out of plastic no fun either |
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Hinton, Iowa | I too looked at the Crosscountry Tour when I was ready to trade. Although.it eas an impressive ride its not a Vision. For comfort, handling, ride, and wind protection you can't beat the Vision. In the end I traded my 08 for a 13. NO REGRETS. |
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New Orleans, La, | Bikes are like women, The one you like the pros are true pluses and the cons , not so much. Get the one you like, not the one they want you to like. If you want the most candid opinion and unbiased evaluation ride it yourself. Like they say "Ride it. You'll onw it." |
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on the edge of Los Angeles | This will always be a big debate but here is what I have to say "Real World"
I have a Vision 85k My wife has a X/C 20k I like mine and she likes hers. I like mine because of how it performs in all conditions. My wife likes her XC because of it's looks and lighter weight at slow slow slow speeds- parking lots etc. We both like the XC cause it can carry a bunch of stuff in the saddle bags.
One day we were headed home and she wanted to trade rides for a bit so we did. Her comments over the headsets were like "this thing is so comfortable" "there is no buffeting" "My legs are hot" "there's no wind"...
In the end she realizes the Vision is a better bike even with the hot legs, Did I just say she has "Hot Legs" but is still happy with her XC |
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| I have test road the XCT, they are nice bikes, lots of bag room, and that's where it ends.
You will never beat a fix faring bike for protection, couple that with the powered windshield and well, it speaks for itself.
I also believe that, overall the Vision is the better handling of the two. I know my Vision can be a handful two up in slow parking lot maneuvers when fully loaded, but once out of the parking lot I can thread the twisities like a needle, typically better than most,, didn't feel quite the same on a XCT. You do get more road feedback on the XC though. I prefer the smooth ride of the Vision.
At the end of the day, its to each their own. I know guys who own a XC over a Vision simply because they feel they are not "old enough" yet. Well I am 34 and toss that Vision around like its a crotch rocket. |
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Spfld, IL but temp Bay area, CA | Have to agree with most here--Rode an XCT at a demo ride. Love the looks and the bags but can't get past the fact that the VV handles so well. I found the XCT to be a little top heavy-though nowhere near my TC. Plus when you get caught in the rain--the VV is by far the best. |
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| Can't really find enough positives to make me move to the XCT from the Vision...As said above, when I ride I see very few Visions which I like as it is very different from most rides....The Cross bikes are great machines for those that want huge bags, but otherwise I see no reason for me to switch...I have ridden several other Vic's on demo day rides and none compare to the overall handling and comfort of the Vision....JMHO |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | Had a 2008 Vision Tour Premium Classic
She drowned in herricane Irene.
Could have bought any bike out there as a replacement.
Rode a CCT loaded.
Hated the fixed windscreen.
Did not like GPS mounted on handle bars.
Did not like only having a cube to control tunes.
Bought a 2011 Vision Tour .
No regrets |
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CALGARY ALBERTA | I m surprised by the overwhelm of Vision to keep and CC for second bike. Might be new Vision instead. I lost faith in my dealer and will have to look further to buy one.
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Green Bay, WI United States | About a year and a half ago I was going to trade Twister and Hot Rod on a trick CC. Was ready to sign papers and took the CC for a last "Victory" ride if you will and the wind buffeting was so bad I did not do the deal. I have been on the fence between the CC and Vision. Still there. I will say if I was going to get a CC; itbiker has a dream bike for sale. All the right extras to end the wind buffeting and other extras included that are sweet and the bike is priced right. As always:
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| When i was trading my Ultra Classic I rode the CC Tour first; I liked it but then I rode the Vision and for me there was no decisions, it was the Vision hands down for comfort, handling and smoothness. I do like the bags and look better on the CC, but it's all about the ride. If it was about the look I would have kept my Harley |
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| I miss the Vision ride, but the saddle bags suck for long trips. |
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Orlando, FL | maddog - 2012-10-04 9:16 AM
My wife hates the look of the Vision. She fell in love with the CC. Back in June she gave me the green light to trade my 08 vv on a cc. I did my home work. The last step was a side by side cc vs vv . Ended up with a new Vision. Same color as the 08 it was 2 days before she noticed
That's HILARIOUS! I love it!!
And Steve, I agree. I would love to have the new Green with flames CC as a SECOND ride.
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New Bohemia, VA | I can only tell, while the X bikes are nice, I like the hard ball the best, but I like my Vision better. It's your hind end, it's your decision. |
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Green Bay, WI United States | +1 but I am still on the fence......... Thinkin if I have more room in the bags that equates to more crap that my Lady will bring. I already told her no F----- way for the "cute little trailer" she thought the world of. She is a sweetheart but needs 20 weeks of stuff to go a weekend if you know what I mean. Just learned that she has a propane curling iron, "GIT ON THE BIKE AND LETS RIDE LIKE HELL". She is an excellent passenger and has learned my style of riding, mostly HAUL ASS AND PASS. We were almost wrecked by Ashland, WI. and she then understood why I pass and leave the cages behind. One less thing to take you down As I always say to you all: |
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, FL United States | Seems like there are some people that go from the VV to the CC back to the VV. I did test ride a 2012 CC lot of wind. I then test rode the 2012 VV. Did notice the feel of the handle bars were different than my 08 VV. I also like the top load of the saddle bag along with their space. But I will stick with my 08 VV.. |
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| I switched from a 2010 Ness Vision to a XC and love it. XC bags are removable and bigger. My right calf doesn't bake anymore as it did on summer rides. More aftermarket stuff for the XC. The Vision was a awesome bike other than those issues. I would've kept the bike if I went on long trips it was great for that. Truthfully I'd like to have one of every model. |
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Tri Cities, WA | I have been riding a vision since 2008. The wife traded in here HD street glide for her 12-XCT. I have rode her XCT bike allot this past summer. I have to say that I think that vision would win out on everything except the carrying capacity and stock stereo systems. My wife loves her XCT. I think my vision handles better, looks cooler, protects against wind better and if I had only one bike to ride from this day on I would choose the VISION over any other bike. I have ridin many makes and models and nothing compares to my vision. so I would keep your vision bobbybhb.. JMHO... |
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Halifax, NS | I test road the Vision first because I think they look so cool. But with the wife on board I found it a handfull at slow speeds. It seemed the fairing was way out there and the buttons were a reach.
Then tried the CC and there was to much wind and buffeting.
Then they changed the CC to the CCT with the the tall shield and hard lowers. There is NO wind or Buffeting. If I still smoked I could light a smoke while running down the highway. I dont know how they did it but I dont see any bad effects from having the fairing fork mounted.
I do realy like the power shield on the Vision. And the look is the best on the road.....
But I bought the XCT..
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Southeast Iowa | I bought the 1st Vision my dealer got in 07. I rode that bike for almost 40,000 miles and loved it with the exception of a few things. First off I think the trunk looks like a pellican beak and I took it off the 2nd week I owned the bike. The saddle bags just plain suck! Awkward flimsy doors that open from the side. A very odd shaped box that would barely hold my leather jacket. Too much engine heat that cooks your balls anytime it gets above 90 degs. The solution was to install lowers (which I did) but I always hated them because they looked like SHIT. The Vision seems to catch more wind than any bike I've ever owned. The wake behind big trucks and strong crosswinds are worse on the Vision than any bike I had owned before. The last thing I didn't like was the wind buffeting on my back. For some reason the Vision blocks the wind extreemly well in the front but causes the wind to blow against your back. I traded my beloved Vision on the 1st CC Tour my dealer got in 2011. After 7000 miles I like the CCT more than I liked the Vision. I now leave the tour pack on because it looks good. The saddle bags are HUGE and nothing falls out when I open the lid. The fairing and lowers keep most of the wind off you and you can open up the lowers when it gets hot. The ability to control the cockpit temp is MUCH better on the XCT. There is no wind buffeting and no strange wind pressure on my back and I havn't missed the electric windshield at all. I do miss the Vision in cold weather as it did a better job of keeping my hands and knees warm. To me the CCT feels more nimble and does not get blown around like the Vision did. The ride and handling feels the same as the Vision. The only 3 things I miss that the Vision had was 1. A better seat. 2. Easier audio controls 3. Better GPS mount. To sum it up I think they are both great bikes but after ownong both off them I would choose the CC Tour over the Vision because it is not affected as much by the wind and has better storage which is important on a touring bike. |
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Peru, IN | I've only had my Vision for just under a month but I wouldn't trade it for a XC/XCT if they gave me $5000 to boot. I rode both at the demo days (beginning of last month) and I agree with what the others have said. You sit ON a XC and IN a VV. The air management, comfort, control (I call it my Victory Ninja) all go to the Vision plus that totally AWESOME power windscreen. I don't have an OL so all my crap will easily fit in the bags/trunk. If I planned on 2 up, I'd have to consider the XCT (but I'd still stick with the VV). I have yet to take the trunk off and see how much better it handles but my face still hurts from the smile with the trunk on. I don't think the XC looks like the HD but it's obvious that's the general look they were going for. (If I wanted a Harley, I would have bought one.) I think the ONLY thing the XCT has over the Vision is the bags. There are supposed to be some changes in the '14 VV. I'll bet storage is one of them. |
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Houston, Tx | Monkeyman - 2012-10-09 5:57 AM There are supposed to be some changes in the '14 VV. I'll bet storage is one of them. Gotta source..?? I've heard this same comment since I bought my 2010! |
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SC, Bluffton | maddog - 2012-10-04 8:16 AM
it was 2 days before she noticed
Now that right there is a classic. LOL. |
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| I had an 08 Tour Premium, rode it for three years and 39K miles and loved the ride and performance. I hated the bags and trunk and some of the PITA maintenance items. The thing I miss the most is the electric windshield.
I traded it for a 12 XCT in June and have 7K miles on it. I love the way it rides, my wife says she gets less wind on the back of it and the stereo is worlds away better than the Vision. The cruise control is much smoother and the bike in general is much easier to work on. But best of all it doesn't have those POS linked brakes which is what I hated the most about the Vision.
Both bikes have their good and not so good points, but all things considered I'll stick with my XCT. |
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Peru, IN | BlueByu - 2012-10-09 2:50 PM
Monkeyman - 2012-10-09 5:57 AM? There are supposed to be some changes in the '14 VV. I'll bet storage is one of them. ? Gotta source..???? I've heard this same comment since I bought my 2010! ? ?
All over but it makes sense. Victory knows there are a few things they need to address on the Vision. They'll start losing buyers if they don't and soon. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Big Vic - 2012-10-08 4:52 PM I bought the 1st Vision my dealer got in 07. I rode that bike for almost 40,000 miles and loved it with the exception of a few things. First off I think the trunk looks like a pellican beak and I took it off the 2nd week I owned the bike. The saddle bags just plain suck! Awkward flimsy doors that open from the side. A very odd shaped box that would barely hold my leather jacket. Too much engine heat that cooks your balls anytime it gets above 90 degs. The solution was to install lowers (which I did) but I always hated them because they looked like SHIT. The Vision seems to catch more wind than any bike I've ever owned. The wake behind big trucks and strong crosswinds are worse on the Vision than any bike I had owned before. The last thing I didn't like was the wind buffeting on my back. For some reason the Vision blocks the wind extreemly well in the front but causes the wind to blow against your back. I traded my beloved Vision on the 1st CC Tour my dealer got in 2011. After 7000 miles I like the CCT more than I liked the Vision. I now leave the tour pack on because it looks good. The saddle bags are HUGE and nothing falls out when I open the lid. The fairing and lowers keep most of the wind off you and you can open up the lowers when it gets hot. The ability to control the cockpit temp is MUCH better on the XCT. There is no wind buffeting and no strange wind pressure on my back and I havn't missed the electric windshield at all. I do miss the Vision in cold weather as it did a better job of keeping my hands and knees warm. To me the CCT feels more nimble and does not get blown around like the Vision did. The ride and handling feels the same as the Vision. The only 3 things I miss that the Vision had was 1. A better seat. 2. Easier audio controls 3. Better GPS mount. To sum it up I think they are both great bikes but after ownong both off them I would choose the CC Tour over the Vision because it is not affected as much by the wind and has better storage which is important on a touring bike. I find it amazing that the same bike can give such polarizing results. Only the Vision can do that. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Very interesting post. The differences seem to be an each to their own opinions. Sounds alot like the Harley opinion differences between EG and RG riders..............In the long run it's actually good that Victory riders have two nice touring bikes to choose from........ |
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Delray Beach, FL United States | If you were on the best why back step to the rest? |
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Peru, IN | XRsteve - 2012-10-10 8:53 AM
....it's actually good that Victory riders have two nice touring bikes to choose from........
Yup, 2 nice touring bikes (the XR and XC) and 1 superior touring bike, the VISION!!!! :D:D |
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New Bohemia, VA | Monkeyman - 2012-10-13 3:50 PM XRsteve - 2012-10-10 8:53 AM ....it's actually good that Victory riders have two nice touring bikes to choose from........ Yup, 2 nice touring bikes (the XR and XC) and 1 superior touring bike, the VISION!!!! :D:D You can be a Vision Pilot, or, you can ride a motorcycle... |
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Southeast Iowa | I noticed that almost everyone that owns a Vision prefers it over the XC Tour but I also noticed everyone that has actually owned both prefer the XC Tour over the Vision. The good news for us all is Victory makes both and you can buy either one you choose. |
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Peru, IN | I think alot of the XC/XCT owners just like a more "classic" looking ride. Even though the XC is different than anything else out there, it still retains the basic "classic" or Harley look that the world is accustomed to. (Is that spelled right?) The Vision doesn't look like anything out there. I really don't see how anyone could say that the XC rides or handles better than the Vision unless there was something wrong with the Vision they rode. Both are nice rides, but I don't see how they really compare. The air management doesn't compare, either. I'll admit I'm biased towards the Vision since that's what I own but I've ridden both, at least enough to be able to notice the differences. The one thing I can give to the XC/XCT is luggage space. It wins, hands down. |
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Coastal , NJ | Had a Vision, went CC,now back to a Vision |
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| Yes buy a cross bike and a hole bunch of bolt on plastic peaces to block the wind. You better buy lots of cheese to go with your wining too |
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