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Puddle Jumper
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Lillian, Alabama | I changed the oil in my Vision about a month at...everything went just fine....oil level looked good. I then proceeded to take a little ride (just over 4,000 miles). The Vision performed flawlessly it was a near perfect couple of weeks. That's the good news.
After returning home last week I rode the bike as usual and still noticed no problems. Today I decided to check the oil level and dang it....it shows to be too full. The level on the dipstick shows to be nearly a quarter of an inch over the "full" line.
I know that overfilling the oil can be a big problem...my question is, how can I know if it caused engine damage? The bike runs fine. I can't really hear any change in the sound of the engine, but my Vision has always been sorta noisy. Did I do damage? How can I know? What usually happens when oil is overfilled?
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Cruiser
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Danbury, Connecticut | Was the oil checked the same way (bike angle and oil temperature) both times. I wouldn't expect a 1/4 inch in level to be a big concern- engineers usually factor in a little wiggle room for margin of error. Someone posted here not too long ago about purchasing a bike, riding it home and having it be multiple quarts overfilled and I don't think he had any ramifications. Drain a little out if it makes you sleep better. Use a torque wrench every time you tighten it- even if you buy a cheapie harbor freight torque wrench. You can reuse the drain plug gasket once or twice if you have to as long as you are consistent with the torque value but replacing it is best if you have easy access to a dealer. Someone should manufacture a captive o-ring type oil plug with a hole through the head to tie wire it. They would never leak and never fall out with one of those and o-rings are cheap and easy to come by. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | For the future it takes 4.5 qts with a filter change.. |
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | ..or get a cheapo Turkey Baster @ the super market and draw some oil out through the fill opening, Home Depot sells TYGON plastic tubing in plumbing supply aisle, comes various diameters by the foot and you can slip a hunk of that on the end if the Baster tip isn't long enough. I've always had a couple basters in the shop for all sorts of 'just needs a couple squirts' type fluid transfers to or from.
Visit your local fastener store (a place that deals in sales to professionals, not Home Depot) and take a crush washer with you, you could probably fill your pocket with new ones for about $5.00. (guess you need to have a hot rodding/racing background) |
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Tourer
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New Mexico | SYNSTR - 2012-10-12 9:33 PM
..or get a cheapo Turkey Baster @ the super market and draw some oil out through the fill opening,
+1
I overfilled by 1/2qt once, and used this method to remove it. Works great, lasts a long time...
Edited by Boots 2012-10-12 11:53 PM
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Tourer
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Cottage Grove, Mn | I have been dumping 5 qts into my Vision since day 1. 46,000 miles later no issues |
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Chattanooga, TN | I think the problems you might encounter from overfilling are related to clutch slippage. It depends on what type of oil you use. Was it full synthetic? that will roast your clutch for sure if it is overfilled. Before anybody replies to this. Read the next line. I am kidding. I am not trying to start an oil thread. It was a joke about the oil type. Oil type has nothing to do with overfilling the transmission.
But I have heard that overfilling the transmission can be harmful to the clutch. That said, like Blackjack, I use 5 quarts as well, I hate having a half quart left over t slosh around in a 5 qt. container. If you haven't noticed any problems with that, I'd say you haven't done any damage. |
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Tourer
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| When changing oil in my Vision, I generally let it drain for 1/2 hr or so as I "putz" around doing other things. Filling the engine with all 5 qts seems to work for me instead of leaving 1/2 qt. lay around until the next change...I read somewhere that the motor holds 5 qts fill at factory, but the owners manual says to use 4.5 qts. because most do not let it drain long enough and oil remains in the motor during the change process...JMHO |
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Cruiser
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Delray Beach, FL United States | Probably not on the smart side of things but when I do the oil change I also let it sit for a while but right after I drain the oil I start the bike for one second and then kill it right away and a bunch of extra oil comes out. After putting the plug back in and filling it I usually have less than 1/2 a pint of oil left and I just dump that in as well. hopefully not messing the bike up in any way by doing this, just remember doing the same thing with the dirt bikes, but kick-starting a few times with the kill switch on to get the rest of the oil out |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | Chef John - 2012-10-13 11:58 AM
Probably not on the smart side of things but when I do the oil change I also let it sit for a while but right after I drain the oil I start the bike for one second and then kill it right away and a bunch of extra oil comes out. After putting the plug back in and filling it I usually have less than 1/2 a pint of oil left and I just dump that in as well. hopefully not messing the bike up in any way by doing this, just remember doing the same thing with the dirt bikes, but kick-starting a few times with the kill switch on to get the rest of the oil out
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Chef John - 2012-10-13 1:58 PM Probably not on the smart side of things but when I do the oil change I also let it sit for a while but right after I drain the oil I start the bike for one second and then kill it right away and a bunch of extra oil comes out. After putting the plug back in and filling it I usually have less than 1/2 a pint of oil left and I just dump that in as well. hopefully not messing the bike up in any way by doing this, just remember doing the same thing with the dirt bikes, but kick-starting a few times with the kill switch on to get the rest of the oil out something I've thought about a million times, but will never do. You can't just "crank" unless you pull the plug wires.
Edited by varyder 2012-10-13 2:41 PM
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Visionary
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| To much oil will block oil galleys from releasing oil to the next point. Motors breath and to much oil will not let it do that.
Now we see who has read there owners manual who has not.
Straight up an down. |
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Cruiser
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| Moose 381;
Last month I bought a 2002 V92C and it was three quarts overfull! The previous owner had checked the oil on the side stand and thought it was low, so he topped it off. It was very hard to shift or find neutral and I thought that was just the nature of the beast. No leaks, no oil in the air filter, nothing. I have put 500 miles on since the oil change and no problems. No leaks, no strange noises, it shifts great and slips right into neutral. I wouldn't worry about any damage. Victory builds a pretty indestructible engine. Moral of the story, always check that dipstick with the bike straight up and down!
Denny Pink
2002 V92C
2008 Vision
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Puddle Jumper
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Lillian, Alabama | Thanks for the replies...I feel better now. I'd hate to have the trip ruined by screwing up something on my bike.
It was a great trip....all by myself....from Gulf Coast up through the midwest...couple of days with friends near Chicago....couple of days with friends on Harsen's Island north of Detroit...then back through the Smokey Mountains...a couple of hundred miles on the Blue Ridge Parkway...then back home to the Gulf. 12 days, 4000 miles through 14 states. The weather was perfect...it just doesn't get any better than that.
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Cottage Grove, Mn | johnnyvision - 2012-10-13 4:00 PM
To much oil will block oil galleys from releasing oil to the next point. Motors breath and to much oil will not let it do that.
Now we see who has read there owners manual who has not.
Straight up an down.
Has nothing to do with reading the owners mauual (4.5 to 5 qts) has to do with filling to the full line. Be carful about what you think you know.
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | there was one time when i went on a longer trip (4000 miles) and i was going out west in the extreme heat so i just put all 5qts in and didnt worry about it. 0.5qts more didnt hurt a thing. i didnt want to carry that extra oil with me so i just added it in. now if it was 1 or 2 qts over that might be a different story .. out of all my bikes i have owned the vision is one of the easiest to change oil and check.. you wanna see a bike that will drive you MAD try checking the oil on a kawaski vulcan 2000.. not only does it have 3 drain plugs but one of them only requires 10ft to tighten and if you use more it strips.... then it was so hard to check oil at first that kawasaki actually mailed our letters to dealers and customers on how to do it!! people always overfills it because it alway read low... after a while i got the hang of it, but it was way harder than it needed to be... |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Moose381 - 2012-10-13 7:34 PM Thanks for the replies...I feel better now. I'd hate to have the trip ruined by screwing up something on my bike. It was a great trip....all by myself....from Gulf Coast up through the midwest...couple of days with friends near Chicago....couple of days with friends on Harsen's Island north of Detroit...then back through the Smokey Mountains...a couple of hundred miles on the Blue Ridge Parkway...then back home to the Gulf. 12 days, 4000 miles through 14 states. The weather was perfect...it just doesn't get any better than that. Thanks for sharing, sounds like a great trip... |
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