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Some factors things to consider...- Victory tends to introduce a new model platform in the summer at the dealer meetings (ie. Victory Boardwalk). But not always... the last 12 months saw the introduction of the Judge, Boardwalk, and the Cross Country Tour.
- Interim releases are generally new package options (ie, "Tour", "8-ball", or "Ness" versions)
- The 2014 Model year will be the 15th Anniversary of Victory. The 2009 model year brought a 10th Anniversary Touring Cruiser which was just a slightly accessorized, tri-colored version of the current TC.
- The Spirit Lake facility will be adding a new, additional assembly line to bring the Indian line within the plant.
- Current plant operations run 3 shifts: 2 assembly, 1 maintenance.
- While the fastest color is STILL black, Victory has shown it's penchant for 2-tone designs. Any guess as to the color scheme?
What are your best guesses?
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Peru, IN | My first (and only real) guess is that I won't be on that new assembly line.  Just think how good you'd feel knowing you were building Americas best motorcycle line. Hmmmm...wonder what they pay? |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Be nice if an uprated engine were available in a " Liberty Line" maybe a 114 incher with higher performance cams and K&N airfilters, similar to SE from HD. AND maybe 15th year badging and such. 15 years is a pretty big deal in the startup motorcycle world........Look how many never made it to 15 years............ |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Just think how good you'd feel knowing you were building Americas best motorcycle line. Hmmmm...wonder what they pay?
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | BLACK is NOT the fastest color. Sheesh
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| XRsteve - 2012-11-14 5:30 PM Be nice if an uprated engine were available in a " Liberty Line" maybe a 114 incher with higher performance cams and K&N airfilters, similar to SE from HD. AND maybe 15th year badging and such. 15 years is a pretty big deal in the startup motorcycle world........Look how many never made it to 15 years............ +1 |
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| A guy on the plant tour at the AVR in Spirit Lake told me they start at about $18 a hour...Don't know this to be the case, but that it what I was told when I asked someone who worked there........Best bikes around today IHMO....Love my Vision.. |
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Peru, IN | I need to find out. While I was planning on moving farther south, I'd move farther north just to work at Victory. |
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Orlando, FL | donetracey - 2012-11-14 6:51 PM
BLACK is NOT the fastest color. Sheesh
Don, Don, Don. White is the color of light, and the speed of light is VERY fast. So one might think that white is the fastest color. But wait, black holes suck up everything, including light, and therefore black holes must be more powerful than light and therefore faster than the speed of light. Hence, black is indeed the fastest color. Or is could be red. Yea, that's it. Red. Crimson red.
Of course one can also argue that black is the absence of light, and therefore the absence of all color. Therefore black is not a color at all, and hence cannot be the fastest color. Am I losing everyone on this rambling conversation?
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Jasper, MO | Monkeyman - 2012-11-14 6:30 PM
I need to find out. While I was planning on moving farther south, I'd move farther north just to work at Victory.
I believe that's about right, somewhere around $18. Somebody posted a picture of their bike in front of the factory on another forum a 2 or 3 weeks ago and it showed a "hiring now" sign with, I think, $17.81 starting pay.
You would be moving mostly west.
I've been to the factory and it is in a small rural town where the cost of living is low and the people are very friendly. Farming country.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-14 4:58 PM donetracey - 2012-11-14 6:51 PM BLACK is NOT the fastest color. Sheesh Don, Don, Don. White is the color of light, and the speed of light is VERY fast. So one might think that white is the fastest color. But wait, black holes suck up everything, including light, and therefore black holes must be more powerful than light and therefore faster than the speed of light. Hence, black is indeed the fastest color. Or is could be red. Yea, that's it. Red. Crimson red. Of course one can also argue that black is the absence of light, and therefore the absence of all color. Therefore black is not a color at all, and hence cannot be the fastest color. Am I losing everyone on this rambling conversation? Very well thought out, actually. But - the FACTS are - No Victory of ANY color has EVER beat me. Ergo - RED is the fastest color. No magic here - just fact.  That and we did a poll, or something years back and RED came out on top by quite a margin .... |
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Peru, IN | rdbudd - 2012-11-14 8:33 PM
Monkeyman - 2012-11-14 6:30 PM
I need to find out. While I was planning on moving farther south, I'd move farther north just to work at Victory.
I believe that's about right, somewhere around $18. Somebody posted a picture of their bike in front of the factory on another forum a 2 or 3 weeks ago and it showed a "hiring now" sign with, I think, $17.81 starting pay.
You would be moving mostly west.
I've been to the factory and it is in a small rural town where the cost of living is low and the people are very friendly. Farming country.
Ronnie
I'm good with that. I wonder what kind of skills they need. (I can't really do anything well but surely they need someone with a passion for Victory!) Maybe they need a VP for Consumer Relations? Maybe they need a Director of Security?!? I've been in corrections for over 10 years so that might work. I might call them after Thanksgiving. Seriously.
Definitely west but I think a good ways north, too. Isn't Spirit Lake basically in Minnesota? I'll see what the town's like in about 10 months as I plan on attending AVR next year. Maybe I'll submit my job application then. |
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Peru, IN | wrr1home - 2012-11-14 9:20 PM
Seems to me that the Super SWIFT Gray is the quickest!?? LOL!
I thought "SSG" stood for Super Slow Gray? 
Obviously, Bronze is the fastest. As Archimedes once said to Socrates, "Dude! Go Bronze or go home!". |
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Peru, IN | Rollin' - 2012-11-15 12:42 AM
An Adventure Touring Vision!! Color? Black.
Not everyone wants to circumvent the globe via the North Pole. You're more hard core than I'll ever be. Give me smooth (and paved, please) roads, warm weather and some sun and I'm good. |
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Now that Indian is with Polaris/Victory we will be seeing a "new" bike back and forth between the 2 every six months. In January you will see a Boardwalk Tour with 2 tone paint. 6 months later the new Indians will be out. It works nice that way since they display them next to each other.
This year you will see the desperation of "sport/performance" bikes available at Victory and the big old school cruisers from Indian. Not a bad thing but I wonder what Indian will take the place of the Vision?
Over time you will see larger performance engines (ie 120" with Llloyd's turbo) coming from Victory while Indian maintains large consistent displacement (ie 2000cc high torque).
Victory will have the "hot" color choices like Indianapolis Red and Indian will have the Roll Royce colors.
On a side note, I bought an inverter generator at New England Cycle Works, Groton, CT yesterday (no more power outages) and the owner said he liked Victory and is looking into the franchise. That's 10 minutes away on the back road. They have treated me well over the years with my John Deere, Troybilt and Ace 750 purchases. If it happens I will post the "grand opening" party date.... Plus I bought my bus ticket to the Javits Center while there. |
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New Bohemia, VA | There is no Indian that will ever take the place of a Vision, nor is there a Vision that will ever take the place of the Indian. The Indian will be in competition with nostalga and the Harley big bike life. While there may be line blurring among the riders, the manufacturer division, I believe will stay true. V-Rods have been out forever and they have yet to break the line and they have the Harley sticker on them. As far as what comes out and when, I keep my ears open and wait for them to tell me, I have no speculation, but I sure will miss the Vision. |
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Lansing, MI | Monkeyman - 2012-11-15 3:10 AM
wrr1home - 2012-11-14 9:20 PM
Seems to me that the Super SWIFT Gray is the quickest!?? LOL!
I thought "SSG" stood for Super Slow Gray?
Obviously, Bronze is the fastest. As Archimedes once said to Socrates, "Dude! Go Bronze or go home!".
No, it stands for Soooo Super Gay. Just ask Golfer, he knows...
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Green Bay, WI United States | You guys just kill me..... It all will be what it is and we will like it or fight it........
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Jasper, MO | Monkeyman - 2012-11-15 2:05 AM
rdbudd - 2012-11-14 8:33 PM
Monkeyman - 2012-11-14 6:30 PM
I need to find out. While I was planning on moving farther south, I'd move farther north just to work at Victory.
I believe that's about right, somewhere around $18. Somebody posted a picture of their bike in front of the factory on another forum a 2 or 3 weeks ago and it showed a "hiring now" sign with, I think, $17.81 starting pay.
You would be moving mostly west.
I've been to the factory and it is in a small rural town where the cost of living is low and the people are very friendly. Farming country.
Ronnie
I'm good with that. I wonder what kind of skills they need. (I can't really do anything well but surely they need someone with a passion for Victory!) Maybe they need a VP for Consumer Relations? Maybe they need a Director of Security?!? I've been in corrections for over 10 years so that might work. I might call them after Thanksgiving. Seriously.
Definitely west but I think a good ways north, too. Isn't Spirit Lake basically in Minnesota? I'll see what the town's like in about 10 months as I plan on attending AVR next year. Maybe I'll submit my job application then.
Yep, nearly into Minnesota. Nearly in Nebraska too. From what I saw of the area, it's all small farming towns in the region. Spirit Lake is a town of about 5000 population. The wind can get up some speed coming across Nebraska sometimes. Lots of cornfields and pastures. Not many trees. Most of the trees there have been planted around farmhouses for windbreaks.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | OK, so back on track gentlemen,
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Jedi Jeff - 2012-11-16 6:37 AM OK, so back on track gentlemen, What are your predictions on the new model? You started the wandering with your incorrect statement about 'black being the fastest color' - after reading that my attention span was directed to righting-a-wrong. |
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Monrovia, Ca | Since they usually introduce at the Long Beach IMS show in California and it is 3 weeks out with no news, I cam going to say no new bike. |
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| Kelvininin - 2012-11-16 3:21 AM
I am pretty sure that powder puff blue is the fastest color... Black? Seriously? Thats so 80s!
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| LA Victory Rider - 2012-11-16 4:38 PM
Since they usually introduce at the Long Beach IMS show in California and it is 3 weeks out with no news, I cam going to say no new bike.
There have some big introductions over the years at the NEW YORK IMS. The Vision, Core and Judge leap to mind.
Victory will introduce something in New York. It's just a question of whether it'll be a 2013/14 PartsBin or something more exciting.
Never mind that, I can't wait to see what the 2014 Polaris Indians will look like. If they come out with a new Inline 4 someone will have to throw a bucket of ice water on me.
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Peru, IN | I can't see anything but a revamped twin in the Indians as the entire line is all about old school. Modern technologies I can see but not something as "radical" as that. I hope they don't add a partbin bike. They did that with the last 2. |
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| Monkeyman - 2012-11-17 1:18 AM
I can't see anything but a revamped twin in the Indians as the entire line is all about old school. Modern technologies I can see but not something as "radical" as that. I hope they don't add a partbin bike. They did that with the last 2.
An inline 4 is very old school! Indian made one for a few years as did ACE, Excelsior and Henderson. Not an inline 4 like a sportbike but "think" Triumph Rocket III with one more cylinder. The Rocket III is 2300cc and delivers the most torque of any motorcycle. It would give Indian a huge performance advantage over HD and not compete with Victory. |
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seattle, wa | I am guessing the new Indians will offer the same old V-Twin, but also a sportier version powered by something else. Their snowmobile and quads have alot of power, they could design something around an already existing engine. It would be crazy to see Polaris on the race track! |
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| 1951vbs - 2012-11-17 9:50 AM Monkeyman - 2012-11-17 1:18 AM I can't see anything but a revamped twin in the Indians as the entire line is all about old school. Modern technologies I can see but not something as "radical" as that. I hope they don't add a partbin bike. They did that with the last 2. An inline 4 is very old school! Indian made one for a few years as did ACE, Excelsior and Henderson. Not an inline 4 like a sportbike but "think" Triumph Rocket III with one more cylinder. The Rocket III is 2300cc and delivers the most torque of any motorcycle. It would give Indian a huge performance advantage over HD and not compete with Victory. I've seriously thought about a Rocket III as a second or third bike. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I believe polaris will hold the Indian name here on out, and that is what it is, the name and the essence of it. The last Indian built was in 1953 from the original days. Indian had a steller run that resonates even today, thus the renditions of resurrections. The Indian name has been on many two wheel transporations, such as mopeds. With the Indian name back into American hands once again, the spirit of the Indian can continue and form from there. There will always be the old school Indians lovers and will hesitate to go beyond 1953. There are those who embellish the name Indian, no matter what form it has taken. Think old school, and I mean old school motorcycling, and you have Indian and Harley in the mix to compete against. Victory is not in that mix yet, so correct, there is no competition there, thankfully. Today's Indian is not a parts bin machine as it was with the Gilroy bikes. Had Gilroy held on another year or two, they might of had it right, but it became a two little to late deal. I've seen a few of the Gilroy bikes and they look tinny to me compared to the King Mountain and Polaris bikes, but they are Indians none the less. As far as the Rocket 3 I took a serious look at that bike but quickly looked away. With a seat height of 30 inches or so and a wide saddle, it may be a bike to ride, but it ain't one for me to stop on. It's possible that Victory may be cooling it's jets for a while after an aggressive campaign, Sturgis, etc, to make sure they remain prudent in their finances. They've got a strong hold, and they are becoming more well know because of the Cross Bikes, (thanks to the Vision, though) that the bikes we have now may be the ones we'll have for a while, except the Vision (sorry, I have to put that in there...). |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Varyder said alot there and he's right on a bunch. Some Indian fans would still like to see a 80 inch flathead with towering aluminum head fins and that old softtail frame. Others a modern engine with overhead cams , fuel injection and all the modern bells and whistles. The 2013's are a mix. They dropped the BlackHawk, it was the most modern looking of the old KM Indian line up. Funny I saw Mike of american pickers riding one of these to Sturgis in one of the episodes. Whether he actually rode it from Iowa I don't know.
The 4 cylinder Indians from the old days are quite a piece of engineering from back in those days. Whether Polaris would drop the coin to develope such an engine is hard to say. It might be hard to package in a modern touring bike. I too have ridden one of the Triumph Rocket III's and it's a monster. 132 cu inches, hell it makes so much tourqe it could get by with a 3 speed tranny. It is big, tall and heavy.
Hopefully the new Polaris Indians will have a little more modern engine in the models than now, a pushrod longstroke 2 valve just dosen't cut it compared to other modern bikes. AND hopefully the Chiefs will get stereos and cruise controls to make them full blown touring rigs like they were in 1953 before the doors closed up in Springfield Mass.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | You are right, it's hard to package a triple longitutal in the frame a four might even be harder........Now a V 4 that might be the way to go....... |
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| XRsteve - 2012-11-17 9:27 PM
You are right, it's hard to package a triple longitutal in the frame a four might even be harder........Now a V 4 that might be the way to go.......
The Rocket is a beast at 2300cc. A hot-rod straight 4 Indian could be 1200-1400cc and 150hp! A V-4 would be OK but in no way old skool or nostalgic. |
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Jasper, MO | XRsteve - 2012-11-17 8:27 PM
You are right, it's hard to package a triple longitutal in the frame a four might even be harder........Now a V 4 that might be the way to go.......
Like the American made Motus? http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/
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Motus is BAD ASS! I'd have one, if I could afford it. Park it next to the V. Use it for shorter rides...
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I was thinking of a V-4 packaged like a Yamaha V-Max. Just a longer stroke engine to make more Tq............ You know the "new" V-Max engine is 102 cu inches, and makes about 170 HP stock. Revs too high for a heavy touring rig though. just stroke it and bring the top revs down to 8000 then it would have the needed guts down at 2000............. |
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northwest florida | Black is the absence of color so it must be faster because it is gone already. White has to be present for the color to occur so therefore it has not left yet.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I would love to see a new model Indian based on the inline 4! I would get in line for that. As for the Rocket 3. It's too dang heavy! Takes a real hernia inspiring effort to get off the stand and I don't like the seat height/width and ergos. I always thought it was cool but after sitting on it, no way I see one in my future. Contrastly, I got off of it , walked over and sat on a Triumph America and it had a really light feel when righted and the ergos were better for me. My Vision can be difficult to right if I put the stand down on a decline. I'm going to lower it in the Spring, Lord willing. |
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| jimtom - 2012-11-20 11:38 AM
I would love to see a new model Indian based on the inline 4! I would get in line for that. As for the Rocket 3. It's too dang heavy! Takes a real hernia inspiring effort to get off the stand and I don't like the seat height/width and ergos. I always thought it was cool but after sitting on it, no way I see one in my future. Contrastly, I got off of it , walked over and sat on a Triumph America and it had a really light feel when righted and the ergos were better for me. My Vision can be difficult to right if I put the stand down on a decline. I'm going to lower it in the Spring, Lord willing.
Back in 2007 I rode my Triumph Speedmaster to a bike event. That day I also rode my buddy's little Honda standard (don't remember the model) and test rode the R3. Of all those, the Honda was the most fun! The R3 the least fun!
Also that day, a guy rolled into the event on a red Vegas. Remember, back in those days it was much rarer to see a Victory! I was smitten, and we went out and got our first Victory Kingpin a month or 2 later.
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Click on the video. You'll have to listen to that mike wolf dude for a few seconds... http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/introduction/pages/engine.asp...
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Prairie City, IA United States | jimtom - 2012-11-20 10:38 AM
I would love to see a new model Indian based on the inline 4! I would get in line for that. As for the Rocket 3. It's too dang heavy! Takes a real hernia inspiring effort to get off the stand and I don't like the seat height/width and ergos. I always thought it was cool but after sitting on it, no way I see one in my future. Contrastly, I got off of it , walked over and sat on a Triumph America and it had a really light feel when righted and the ergos were better for me. My Vision can be difficult to right if I put the stand down on a decline. I'm going to lower it in the Spring, Lord willing.
I learned a little trick on picking the bike off the stand from my short wife who learned it from a ladies forum. When you pick the bike up off the stand straighten the handlebars and grab the lower side of the gas tank with your left hand. When you pick up, use your left and left hand together and the bike will come up easily. |
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Orlando, FL | a99miata - 2012-11-20 11:04 AM
Black is the absence of color so it must be faster because it is gone already. White has to be present for the color to occur so therefore it has not left yet.
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Orlando, FL | XRsteve - 2012-11-18 10:08 AM
I was thinking of a V-4 packaged like a Yamaha V-Max. Just a longer stroke engine to make more Tq............ You know the "new" V-Max engine is 102 cu inches, and makes about 170 HP stock. Revs too high for a heavy touring rig though. just stroke it and bring the top revs down to 8000 then it would have the needed guts down at 2000.............
Great minds think alike. I have often wished that the Vision had a V-4 like the V max. Talk about a wing killer. Liquid cooled, comfy, and freaking fast as hell. It's an engine the Vision deserves. Yea, that would kill all the Wingers for sure!!! |
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Peru, IN | willieh - 2012-12-09 8:35 AM
OH, hell no. One of the reason I have a Vision is the big V Twin
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care for Harleys, never have. Imho they are over priced, over rated and under reliabe. I have always rode Hondas in the past. Thisis the frist bike I have owned
That isn't a Honda. I have had three Shadows. I like the feel of a V Twin and the sound. A deep low growl instead of the high pitched screem of the 4 cylinders. Theyseem to pull hard right from the bottem, no sudden burst at 3-5grand. |
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Peru, IN | MaddMAx2u - 2012-12-09 11:54 AM
Boys, don't be stuck on the legend of Harley's V Twin like everyone else. Besides, the V Max is a big V Twin. With 170 HP!
You might want to double check that, Max. The V Max is a V 4, not a V Twin. Always has been, as far as I know. |
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