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Puddle Jumper
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Ventura County, CA | I had a very close call this weekend and thankfully my vision stopped in time. However, I ended up stopping at a 45 degree angle. Bike just started sliding sideways before I came to a complete stop inches before hitting the retard who decided he was going to jump into my lane. Anyway, this got me thinking that I want ABS. Is there a way to retrofit a 2008 with the new ABS system? Has anyone tried this yet? If so, please let me know what I need to get. I figured it would be much easier to retrofit my bike with ABS then to buy a new one and move all of my mods over to it. To much time and money into this one.
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Cruiser
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SF Bay Area | You may be surprised as to how much is involved in the ABS system, from all the brake hydraulics, all the electronics (like wiring harness), the brake rotors, pick-ups sensors, etc. Seems like it would cost less to buy another bike. Try buying a Vision with the same mechanical internal mods, and swap the tupperware. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Hate me for this one. I ride like a blooming idiot at times (I was called a blooming idiot by a police officer, inferring that by my "no record" meant I didn't always ride like I did when he pulled me, okay) The Vision linked braking is a superior system and IMHO you can get very little if any benefit with ABS except a logo on your bike. ABS will not save you when you got your self in a very bad situation. Learn to panic brake in an open area, I often times do it when I'm alone coming to a stop light, or prior to pulling in my driveway. It keeps me skilled for when I really need it. Learn to read traffic, I believe most folks that ride don't really know how to do this. Before I started riding again, actually, throughout the 17 years between riding, I would often find myself asking, what would I do if I was riding when I would see situations? Alway do your best to leave yourself an out, especially on the bike. If you think you're riding too fast, too close, you probably are, don't try to prove something when out with others, ride your ride.
After rereading, your orginal post, you reacted very well, no contact, no problem. I was nearly t-boned at an intersection by a redlight runner and even my thought was to prepare for impact. Thank goodness for my peripheral vision and quick reaction, spared me by a very few inches. ABS would not have made any difference whatsoever.
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Visionary
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| We as part time cage driver always use are foot to stop. Well on a bike you use the rear break you will lock up the rear wheel and go into a slide and Bam you can crash or get thrown to the ground.
Were lucky we have link breaks but its still a no no using the rear first. We want to stop use the front break thats why they put two rotors up there. The front break does 85% of the stopping.
If I could there would be a sticker on the bars or the dash " front breaks" first. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Ventura County, CA | Ironically, on my vrod, I don't think I have ever used my rear brakes. Not sure I could even find them  The Victory with this linked system gets you to lazy as my front end dives way to much when using the front brakes. This is the reason I have veered away from using the front when slowing. I do use it for fast hard stop as in the one I just had. I unfortunately believe I must have stomped the rear prior to grabbing the full lever of the front brake. It only takes a split second. I know that I did not grab it to much later as I did not low side the bike. Both front and rear tires lit up, surprised they did not catch fire. I have only seen that much smoke come from semi trucks when they lock up their brakes or when someone power brakes a car. |
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Tourer
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| I am not sure ABS would have been the better choice in this incident. ABS is a life saver in wet conditions. I agree with Buddahead on the conversion. |
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Tourer
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| I am not sure ABS would have been the better choice in this incident. ABS is a life saver in wet conditions. I agree with Buddahead on the conversion. |
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Visionary
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| wrk24wheel - 2013-03-31 10:05 PM I had a very close call this weekend and thankfully my vision stopped in time. However, I ended up stopping at a 45 degree angle. Bike just started sliding sideways before I came to a complete stop inches before hitting the retard who decided he was going to jump into my lane. Anyway, this got me thinking that I want ABS. Is there a way to retrofit a 2008 with the new ABS system? Has anyone tried this yet? If so, please let me know what I need to get. I figured it would be much easier to retrofit my bike with ABS then to buy a new one and move all of my mods over to it. To much time and money into this one. The only way your going to get ABS is do a trade in and buy a new bike. You would half to replace all your electrical your ECM and more |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | I had a 08 vision, i now have a 11 vision. and i can say the ABS do work.. Ive been riding for 20 years this year. I thought abs would be useless UNTIL i had a situation where i felt them work! i have actually in 2 year felt the abs kick on 3 times.. one time i was over through the liberty tubes in (Pittsburgh) right before i entered the tubes a car switched lanes right in front of me then stopped! I had a passenger and the pavement was Very uneven due to 18 wheeler s making the pavement "bumpy" The road also had lite amounts of oil from cars being stuck in rush hour traffic.. the Abs kept my vision straight and true as it braked. it was Weird feeling the ABS work...!! it kind of freaked me out at first. then i realized what happened.... there was two other times as well.. I think the main advantage is keeping that rear wheel from braking free and sliding out from under you..... im not 100% sure on this, but years ago i read where the D.O.T. was try to require motorcycles made by a certain date over 250 cc to all have ABS. |
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Cruiser
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| Next best thing to ABS on your 08 would be to put a CT on the back. Of course if you have ABS & CT then I'd say you got the best in braking. |
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Visionary
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| wingit3611 - 2013-04-09 10:57 AM Next best thing to ABS on your 08 would be to put a CT on the back. Of course if you have ABS & CT then I'd say you got the best in braking. CT will not stop you! Front breaks will stop you. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | there is no substitute for skilled riding, as all riders should be. If you are believing that snake oil appliances are making you any safer do yourself and your family a favor and go back to riding in a car. |
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Cruiser
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Chesterfield, VA | varyder - 2013-04-09 8:26 PM there is no substitute for skilled riding, as all riders should be. If you are believing that snake oil appliances are making you any safer do yourself and your family a favor and go back to riding in a car. Agree with the no substitute for honing your riding skills, but I don't consider ABS to be a snake oil appliance...and I think I'll stick with riding my bike for now  |
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Cruiser
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| Chris you are HARD! |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Don't mean to hit anyone that knows what they are doing to begin with, ABS can be a plus, I guess. The point is, too many just jump on an ride because it's fun, never giving it any deeper thought. Then they hear that if I get this, that or the other, they are home free. They are just an accident waiting to happen on an otherwise joyous adventure. Yeah, I've done plenty of dumb things and got away with it, but let me known, short of a satellite falling out of the sky, if I go down, it'll probably be my fault. I'm not going to give the other guy a chance to do it to me.
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SF Bay Area | varyder - 2013-04-09 4:26 PM
there is no substitute for skilled riding, as all riders should be. If you are believing that snake oil appliances are making you any safer do yourself and your family a favor and go back to riding in a car.
hehehe...
I spent 6 years selling motorcycles, many with ABS. Of the hundreds of bikes I sold, I never had a rider tell me he was "saved" by the ABS, and almost all of the bikes that were wrecked beyond repair had either excess speed or another vehicle impact to blame. I have seen many ABS equipped bikes crash due to excessive cornering speed on slippery surfaces. In my opinion, ABS is not necessary on a heavy cruiser, most prudent riders slow down on slippery or wet roads. ABS will not prevent a bike from sliding or pushing the front end, it will only modulate the brakes to reduce the sliding that would be caused by a wheel not turning. To me, the bike that would benefit the most from ABS would be an adventure bike like a GS1200, Triumph Tiger, KTM Adventure, Yamaha Super Tenere, etc. due to the fact that these bikes and riders often look to ride on poor traction surfaces.
As mentioned, ABS is a poor substitute for riding experience and using good judgement, IMO. I consider it a "feel good" feature, not one I would pay for as an option on a Victory. If it came with the bike (included, stock), then so be it. I have over 40 years of street riding experience, not once would ABS have kept me from crashing, as in every case all my wrecks were caused by excessive speed, not due my my wheels locking up under braking. BTW, when was the last time anyone crashed due to having locked up their wheels on a non-ABS Vision, while traveling in a straight line? It is really hard to do this unless your brakes are not proportioned correctly. |
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Tourer
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Central Illinois | Water or sand on the road will cause a wheel to stop turning when you use what is a normally appropriate brake pressure. As hard as it is to accept, the ABS will help you not think that you are actually braking hard enough because it will feed back to you. Can it save you from poor riding skills? I doubt it. Can it tell you something about the road surface? You bet it can. I have also been riding for over 45 years and have seen lots of braking situations and I will always choose ABS over non-ABS on the same bike, or car for that matter. ABS is a tool, like any other tool. If you use it to help you, it will help you. If you use it as a substitute for adequate skills, you will lose. |
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Tourer
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Chattanooga, TN | I'd like to have abs. ABS would also be nice, but I'll get more hot chicks with the abs though! I was told that it could be added to my 08 by the dealer, the parts were somewhere around a grand, and it operates on its own system separate from the ECU. Would KevinX be able to confirm this? |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/04/the-most-valuable-moto... |
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New Mexico | Oldman47 - 2013-04-10 6:40 PM
Water or sand on the road will cause a wheel to stop turning when you use what is a normally appropriate brake pressure. As hard as it is to accept, the ABS will help you not think that you are actually braking hard enough because it will feed back to you. Can it save you from poor riding skills? I doubt it. Can it tell you something about the road surface? You bet it can. I have also been riding for over 45 years and have seen lots of braking situations and I will always choose ABS over non-ABS on the same bike, or car for that matter. ABS is a tool, like any other tool. If you use it to help you, it will help you. If you use it as a substitute for adequate skills, you will lose.
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Never wanted ABS brakes on any vehicle until I had them. Now, like the electric windshield, is a must-have on my next bike.
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Visionary
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | baadawg - 2013-04-10 8:44 PM
I'd like to have abs. ABS would also be nice, but I'll get more hot chicks with the abs though! I was told that it could be added to my 08 by the dealer, the parts were somewhere around a grand, and it operates on its own system separate from the ECU. Would KevinX be able to confirm this?
While it does have its own sensors, and module. It is tied into the bus system of the bike, and instrument cluster. So no. The information you were given was incorrect. |
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Iron Butt
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| kevinx - 2013-04-11 6:35 AM baadawg - 2013-04-10 8:44 PM I'd like to have abs. ABS would also be nice, but I'll get more hot chicks with the abs though! I was told that it could be added to my 08 by the dealer, the parts were somewhere around a grand, and it operates on its own system separate from the ECU. Would KevinX be able to confirm this? While it does have its own sensors, and module. It is tied into the bus system of the bike, and instrument cluster. So no. The information you were given was incorrect. I was wondering about the dealer that said it could be added. |
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