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| I assume if you ride 10's of thousand miles a year and rack up 50 60k in two or three years, you really got your money's worth, and then get low selling or trade in price. fair enough, you enjoyed all the riding.
Now on low milage bikes, the owner either has no time to ride. doesn't like to ride. maybe doesn't like the bike, or whatever. this bike should re-sell at a better price. right? well I really don't know, most people brag on getting a low milage bike, but a high milage bike has been tried and tested. My point is..well..I really don't have one.. whats your opinion? |
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Chattanooga, TN | It just depends on the bike and how it has been cared for. I would prefer to buy one that has been maintained, regardless of miles. People who have the dealer do all the work probably can't afford all the maintenance to be done. Things which cost money like packing the steering bearings and changing fork oil. I'd shy away from something really high mileage like over 100k unless I knew the owner kept it up properly. |
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| I suppose it is wise to keep all maint. records and reciepts for peace of mind for buyer and seller. what are some other things to look for when purchasing a high milage vision? I ask because many of my friends cannot afford late model visions. now, some of the 08 and 09's are getting more affordable and I would like to feel confident in recomending a well ridden vision. |
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Central Illinois | If I find a bike that has less than about 5000 miles per year, I start to wonder about the care it has been given. A person riding less than that is not really a rider in my book. They are an owner who may or may not follow the recommended service schedule and who definitely do not know what they are riding on the rare occasions that they do ride. If I see a bike that has 6000 to 10000 miles per year on it, I feel that I have found a bike owned by a real rider who will have discovered anything wrong and has had it taken care of. That is the bike that I want. If a bike has far more than 10000 miles per year, it is then becoming a well used bike, much like a high mileage car, that bears closer scrutiny.
I guess you could say that I favor a sweet spot of 6000 to 10000 miles per year as a bike used often and well maintained on average. Lower and you have a poor rider who does not know his own bike very well, higher miles and you have a hard riding owner who has simply put lots of wear on his bike. |
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New Bohemia, VA | most of you cringe at my maintenance plan. While safety is utmost in my mind, I do very little "maintenance". Change the oil around the 3-4,000 and keep air in the tires. If something seems or sounds out of place, I look into it. Other than that, it's ride...
There's a lot of blah-blah, who's a real biker and what is the best of this or that. I find folks can over maintain their machine, so a long list of maintenance records doesn't mean squat to me. I more weary of a low mileage bike because it has sat too much and it will have things like seals and gaskets shrink up and leak. Bugs and stuff gets in makes nests and wreck havoc on parts that you can't see.
When I bought used I got the feel for the bike by who had possession of it at the time and took it for a ride. Also, as a used bike, I'm not going to pay a "near" new price for it.
Personally, buy used and cheap and small if you are just getting back in the saddle after a long break or you just want to have a little wind. If you're going to ride, seriously ride, get a strong and dependable new bike, if you know the history, a used bike for a good price is acceptable. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | varyder - 2013-04-09 9:27 AM
most of you cringe at my maintenance plan. While safety is utmost in my mind, I do very little "maintenance". Change the oil around the 3-4,000 and keep air in the tires. If something seems or sounds out of place, I look into it. Other than that, it's ride...
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Prairie City, IA United States | I keep a record of all oil changes and tires. If I do take it to the dealer, I keep the receipts in a folder. When I have traded, the dealer appreciates the information and probably passes it along to the next owner but as for the price of the bike it doesn't really mean squat to a dealer for trading. I am going to ride my bike as much as I can and not worry about mileage. I plan to get 200K or more out of it. Unless... a new designed Vision comes out that corrects a couple very minor flaws in the design. |
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Camas Washington | The milage logic is somewhat nonsense. You have to look at where the bike has been riden. If you live in the northeast or the PNW like I do, your riding season is very short compared to those who live in the south / warmer climates. I average about 8,400 miles a year on my 2011 VV. I ride when ever it is not raining hard or snow/freezing rain. If I lived in the south I would put 13K to 15K a year on the bike. There have been years when it rains here from Nov until July solid. Those years if you can get 4K to 5K thats a lot of riding. Just saying, there are several variables you need to look at to determine if a bike has been riden hard. |
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, FL United States | victoryvisiontour - 2013-04-09 10:15 AM
varyder - 2013-04-09 9:27 AM
most of you cringe at my maintenance plan. While safety is utmost in my mind, I do very little "maintenance". Change the oil around the 3-4,000 and keep air in the tires. If something seems or sounds out of place, I look into it. Other than that, it's ride...
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Sand Rock, AL United States | what Varyder said. I change oil and tires, that's pretty much it. I don't understand the second part of the question pertaining to resell or trade in value. I don't ever consider these things. I bought it because I made a decision that it was "the one". I will ride it until it is no more. I enjoy motorcycling not ownership. I have put 28K miles in 10 months of ownership of my 2008 Vision (it has 48ish). I know people will cringe that I have not changed or cleaned my air filter in that whole time. Shock! it is still getting the same gas mileage and running and idling normally. I don't even check the oil between changes. letting a bike sit is the worst thing that can happen to it and it will require more maitenence than a ridden bike.  |
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| I change the oil and tires. I changed the plugs but that was because a wire went bad and I changed them too. I check the air every week or so and ride. Resale means nothing to me as I'll ride this one until the redesign comes out. |
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Bancroft Ontario, Canada | I have 100,000 km on my 02 cruiser....change oil/filters/tires and 1 drive belt....would ride that baby to the west coast anyday.....my 09 vision has 50,000 km and same thing without drive belt......i find victory's like toyota's......i had my last truck for 21 years and 500,000 km...normal maintenance,,,,my NEW truck is a 2001 tundra which i bought with 264,000 km and expect that or more from it as well.....never thought about the milage
Victory produces a solid bike with minimal regular maintenance requirements and certainly minimal breakdown issues.....ride em and enjoy them...folks will eventually see the value and like used Toyotas the value will be there
my $.02..ops has to $.05 here now.....Bear |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | VBear - 2013-04-10 7:34 AM
I have 100,000 km on my 02 cruiser....change oil/filters/tires and 1 drive belt....would ride that baby to the west coast anyday.....my 09 vision has 50,000 km and same thing without drive belt......i find victory's like toyota's......i had my last truck for 21 years and 500,000 km...normal maintenance,,,,my NEW truck is a 2001 tundra which i bought with 264,000 km and expect that or more from it as well.....never thought about the milage
Victory produces a solid bike with minimal regular maintenance requirements and certainly minimal breakdown issues.....ride em and enjoy them...folks will eventually see the value and like used Toyotas the value will be there
my $.02..ops has to $.05 here now.....Bear
+1 , I like your signature too |
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, WI | If I'm buying a used bike I look for low miles. If the wheels are turning things are wearing. |
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New Mexico | jimtom - 2013-04-10 6:27 AM
I enjoy motorcycling not ownership.
Profound - I like it!
Rollin' - 2013-04-10 8:42 AM
If I'm buying a used bike I look for low miles. If the wheels are turning things are wearing.
I generally agree with you, but as mentioned above, an unused bike could introduce a lot of problems, too.
Hopefully my next bike will be a brand new, updated Vision. But when buying used, I like a sweet spot of 3-5k per year, with less than 20k total.
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | I traded in my 2003 TCD in 2010 with +72,000 miles on it. It was immaculate with a folder of receipts and extensive maintenance log. This helped me get as much as possible for trade in value & the bike was sold within a few days. A while later I got to talk with the new owner and the documentation was what made him comfortable with a purchase that he normally would not have even considered. He got a hell of a deal on a clean well maintained high mileage bike. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I wouldn't be afraid of it either. I have a "wear it out" program in place. When I wear one out, I get to buy a new one. These stubborn Victorys don't wear out easily or quickly |
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, FL United States | jimtom - 2013-04-10 8:27 AM
what Varyder said. I change oil and tires, that's pretty much it. I don't understand the second part of the question pertaining to resell or trade in value. I don't ever consider these things. I bought it because I made a decision that it was "the one". I will ride it until it is no more. I enjoy motorcycling not ownership. I have put 28K miles in 10 months of ownership of my 2008 Vision (it has 48ish). I know people will cringe that I have not changed or cleaned my air filter in that whole time. Shock! it is still getting the same gas mileage and running and idling normally. I don't even check the oil between changes. letting a bike sit is the worst thing that can happen to it and it will require more maitenence than a ridden bike.
I really like your attitude. We bought these beautiful machines to ride not work on or polish. I usually leave my Black Cherry uncovered once in a while when I know we'll have overnight rain so I can wipe it down REALLY WELL.
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New Bohemia, VA | I've been overly impressed with Victory given the fact of all the biker myths and preceptions when it comes to riding. I still get people ask why I ride in the rain. I know plenty of riders that they have more excuses not to ride, but they "love to ride". They are quick to pick up on a uncle's brother's cousin's father who had one, or had this or that happen. While some folks unfortunately get a lemon, I think a deep down desire to ride overcomes many obstacles. I was taken back that when my brother-in-law sold me his 1984 Goldwing after owning it about 3 years only had 25,000 miles on the clock. This was 2005, 21 years old, and he was the second owner. This is a touring bike, Goldwing and was only ridden an average of 1,120 miles a year. I put 38,000 miles on the bike in two years and I had to have it in the shop for 3 months trying to get the headgaskets replaced. After a second used Goldwing I knew it was time to buy new. So you have to size up the situation to find your heart in the purchase. If and when my Vision ever quits, I will find a spot for it and let it be a find after I'm dead and gone. I might put together a memoir and put it in the saddlebag, so when it is found they will live vicariously through my adventures on such a grand machine. Like it has been said, and I said it today, most people don't know what you do, they don't remember many things about you, especially after you are dead and gone, but they will remember, you rode a motorcycle. Passion, it's all about the passion. I think I'll take the long way home again tonight, my wife is thinking I'm having an affair, she's rght, but not with another woman....
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| well said varyder! |
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| as for rollins' post [on this thread] top of the world; all I can say is "wow"! |
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New Bohemia, VA | yeah, I can attest to the miles, Steve can attest to the endurance of the Vision. I think we have a winner.... |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Very well said Chris. We are definately brothers. |
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Akron Ohio area | I never consider trade in value when purchasing a vehicle.
I have 47,000 miles on my 2011 Vision Tour and most of those miles have been while touring.
Freeway miles don't hurt a vehicle, whereas hot rodding stop and go local only riding can be very detrimental. |
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pros' and cons' of high milage bikes