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Clinton, CT | Still getting to know my brand-new '13 Vision (only have about 200 miles on her) and have noticed an odd behavior.
I have noticed that at zero-to-low speed and when the bike is cool, the clutch/bike seems to surge. That is, when engine is just off idle and slipping the clutch to get the bike moving or in very slow speed maneuvering, the bike seems to surge or pulse. The surging is not in the clutch lever; it is the bike itself surging (the clutch is smooth and seems linear). Never had a bike behave like this, new or otherwise.
Of note, when the bike is fully warmed up it is 99% gone.
Any suggestions on what would cause this? Stopped into the dealership to ask about it and they had never heard of it but they don't strike me as having much knowledge on the Victory bikes- fairly new dealership. I'd like to believe this is a new break-in issue but again I've never felt anything like this with other new bikes.
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Mechanicsville, VA United States | Lean condition A/F, you will need stage 1 upgrade to fix, Thank You EPA!
I think the dealers are not allowed to tell you that, that's why they play dumb and said "We never heard of such"!?
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Rhode Island | To prove the lean condition, unplug your O2 sensors and see if it improves; the bike will default to a richer setting.
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Clinton, CT | Would not have thought about a lean condition, especially since the system should be running rich prior to being fully warmed up. The issue seems to me to feel clutch related but will have to take a look and unplug the sensors...
Or I could just say to hell with that since I am taking the bike in to Kyle as soon as I pass the 500 mile mark and he is back in the shop!
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| Give it a few more mile for the clutch to wear in. I'm thinking by the time you get to 500 miles the problem will be all gone.
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Clinton, CT | johnnyvision - 2013-05-06 7:16 PM
Give it a few more mile for the clutch to wear in. I'm thinking by the time you get to 500 miles the problem will be all gone.
At what rpm are you starting to move at you might be to low
Haven't paid much attention to the tach to nail down specific RPMs, but would have to guess 1500ish- I will take another look. It is not lugging by any means...
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Peru, IN | 1500 is way too low for a Victory. Try more like 2500+. Shift higher and wait til you get your first service done (500 miles). I had the same problem when my bike was new. Once I started shifting higher and got my first service, I had no further problems. |
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Clinton, CT | Monkeyman - 2013-05-06 7:27 PM
1500 is way too low for a Victory. Try more like 2500+. Shift higher and wait til you get your first service done (500 miles). I had the same problem when my bike was new. Once I started shifting higher and got my first service, I had no further problems.
Monkeyman,
Appreciate the response- glad I am not imagining things but I am not sure if we are talking about the same thing. I took a wild guess at the RPMs in my post above and would guess I way under shot my guess. In u-turns, I tend to hold the RPMs pretty high (again, not looking at the tach but by sound) and control my speed by feathering the clutch in the friction zone.
Normal riding (thus shifting) isn't the issue. This is slipping the clutch in the friction zone to get the bike moving from a stop or during very low speed maneuvers. Think of holding the bike on an incline with the engine and clutch or when turing tight in a U-turn.
I have already discovered that during normal riding, I need to shift a bit higher than I was accustomed to. Seems to lug a bit anywhere under 2k and much happier at 2500 cruising...
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Rhode Island | Remember, that thing has break in oil in it still; get the 500 on it and get the oil changed then get as many miles on it as you can before Kyle gets back. You really want to keep the RPMs above 2500, cruise up closer to 3000.
Now for the important question: what kind of stuff are you going to have Kyle put on it?
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Clinton, CT | RhodeTrip - 2013-05-06 8:28 PM
...Now for the important question: what kind of stuff are you going to have Kyle put on it?
Jim
Plan is for:
- Air intake filter
- Adjustable intake
- PC-V
- Adjustable timing "wheel"
- Idle air valve
- VM1-HPT-DR "touring" cams
- D&D Slip-ons
From what I can tell, I think the current plan will really wake the bike up without a bore kit but I am curious about the 116" kit. Curious, but guessing after all is said and done would be out of my price range to get it running reliable and smooth. I'm thinking I would have to do almost everything listed above and add the 116 kit, making it well past the limits of my checkbook.
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Central Illinois | Check it out on their site, but I think you will find that the PC-V can adjust the timing for you, no need for a separate ignition timing wheel. |
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Jasper, MO | Oldman47 - 2013-05-06 8:31 PM
Check it out on their site, but I think you will find that the PC-V can adjust the timing for you, no need for a separate ignition timing wheel.
That's true--sort of. The PCV can adjust timing above 2500 RPM, but not below. The adjustable timing wheel works below 2500 RPM, and works with the PCV or any other fuel controller.
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Central Illinois | Thanks for that correction. I have only looked into the PC-V on a superficial level. I am not a horsepower or performance fanatic. |
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Rhode Island | Allen,
That will wake that bike up without question. My advice is to figure on a long day, Kyle will need maybe 3hrs but your going to need at least 5 or 6 hrs to get back to CT; once you feel the difference you won't be going straight home.
Without question, get some miles on it and get some fresh oil in it over the next 2weeks your not going to want to hold back once you feel the difference.
Let us know what you think once Kyle is done with it.
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Clinton, CT | Okay, reviving this thread... Now close to 2k miles and zero improvement even with new oil.
The surging is not RPM dependent- it is speed dependent. When slipping the clutch at low speeds, the surging is obvious from just off of a dead stop to maybe 5mph.
I am still not sure if this is normal for the Victory and the dealership was zero help. They said it is normal for any bike with a "dual stage" clutch- granted I'm not a mechanic but I have no friggin clue WTH they are talking about. Every interaction I have with this service department makes my head hurt worse....
Pls advise.
Allen
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Central Illinois | I have no surging on my VV at speeds below 5 MPH. I also do not have any gear, including first, where I can fully release my clutch at that low speed. My clutch is fully out at about 10 MPH in first, not at 5 or anything close to that value. Are you sure you are not just feeling your own responses to slipping the clutch in first? |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | The light surge on cold take off is from sticky clutch plates, and POSSIBlY a slightly warped pressure plate. Happens on initial engagement maybe a couple times when cold. Not a lot to be done for it, or much need to worry about it |
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Manchester, CT | Hey Allen
My 2013 didn't exhibit the same or similar issues you are experiencing. This week's weather looks good. I could get together with you tomorrow or Tuesday and we can compare the issue you are seeing. Also, my Victory mechanic is one of the best around. He's the guy other Victory mechanics come to when they come across problems they can't fix. In the next couple of weeks I too am going to be modifying the engine - PC-V, Cams, upper air filter. I have the L1S1 exhaust installed and the bike has been flashed. According to Lloydz, there really isn't a difference in perf between the D & D vs the L1S1 on the Vision.
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Central Maryland | Many of us have that "clutch surging" as you have described it. It's due to the clutch plates not being fully lubricated right after a cold start. Apparently common and normal for this bike; at least from the other posts I have read about it. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I noticed you talk about it at slow speeds in first gear. Could you be talking about Gear lash? when you twist your throttle is there any slack in it? |
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| My Vision does this EXACT same surging during clutch engagement when the bike is cold, and I have all the fueling bells and whistles. It is absolutely NOT a lean surge from the motor. It IS distinctly from either slightly warped clutch plates, or the judder (sp?) plate installed incorrectly at the factory. Several people have reported this issue. When the bike warms up, the effect is greatly diminished. I'm waiting for an excuse to replace my clutch pack. I have read of one other individual with this issue that did have his clutch pack replaced. There was an improperly installed piece, and after the new clutch disks/plates were installed, the clutch surging went away, and his clutch engagement smoothed out. It is not harmful, just annoying.
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Manchester, CT | Allen, maybe the reason I haven't experienced it is because I make sure I run the engine for at least a couple minutes to warm up. Willtil are you referring to once the plates get warmed up? |
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Grand Cane, LA | I think that maybe what he is feeling is actually coming from the "slipper" clutch. It is trying to slip because the clutch is fully engaged but the bike is actually lugging due to its weight and is not moving fast enough. I've have only noticed it on mine when I try to slip the clutch for low speeds and when I fully let the clutch back out again it will momentarily do it if I don't give it enough throttle. |
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Clinton, CT | There is zero throttle lash- I installed the Lloydz 1/4 turn throttle ring. This is not gear (or driveline) lash.
Nothing to do with a slipper clutch... A suspected faulty clutch or pressure plate but no engine braking envolved so a slipper clutch doesn't enter the equation.
No issues with warming up. The bike will still surge when fully warmed up BUT is is significantly reduced when fully warmed up. It's more subtle but still there.
Ok, I will attempt to explain this again...
The surging is when easing the clutch partially out, with the clutch in the friction zone. Again, this is not with the clutch fully engaged OR fully disengaged.
This is especially prevalent at VERY slow speed maneuvers and is NOT engine RPM dependent, it is speed dependent- Increasing engine RPM doesn't change the sensation; it will surge (almost pulse) slower or faster depending on the speed of the bike. Additionally, if I ease the clutch out a bit further, the surging will subside.
This is very obvious when moving the bike around in a parking lot or when creeping along in traffic- you slip the clutch just enough to maintain your movement. Anyone who has taken an MSF rider course, think of the clutch control lane exercises...
KevinX mentioned a possible warped pressure plate- Again I am not a mechanic but understanding the basics of how a clutch works, envisioning (no pun intended) what I would suspect a warped pressure plate would feel like makes a lot of sense for what I am experiencing. It is almost as if something is skewed (mis-aligned).
Turk - 2013-06-17 9:42 AM
My Vision does this EXACT same surging during clutch engagement when the bike is cold, and I have all the fueling bells and whistles. It is absolutely NOT a lean surge from the motor. It IS distinctly from either slightly warped clutch plates, or the judder (sp?) plate installed incorrectly at the factory. Several people have reported this issue. When the bike warms up, the effect is greatly diminished. I'm waiting for an excuse to replace my clutch pack. I have read of one other individual with this issue that did have his clutch pack replaced. There was an improperly installed piece, and after the new clutch disks/plates were installed, the clutch surging went away, and his clutch engagement smoothed out. It is not harmful, just annoying.
THIS! I would be very curious what the service dept actually replaced/did to the bike you are referring to. I doubt this issue would cause catastrophic failure of the clutch/tranny but it would have to affect longevity and as mentioned, it is VERY annoying.
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Pittsburgh, PA | im curious, you said it is NOT rpm based. but IS speed based.. well the clutches spin with the rpm's of the motor so...
let me ask you this... if you are drifting in a parkinglot at slow speed and you hold the clutch all the way in , what happens? |
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Clinton, CT | Arkainzeye - 2013-06-17 7:20 PM
im curious, you said it is NOT rpm based. but IS speed based.. well the clutches spin with the rpm's of the motor so...
let me ask you this... if you are drifting in a parkinglot at slow speed and you hold the clutch all the way in , what happens?
Yes the clutch spins, but it has to engage the transmission and the issue is in that friction zone when the clutch is partially engaged. From a dead stop to creeping, the speed of the bike is what changes the "frequency" of the surging. I can change engine RPM from just off-idle to 3k and the frequency will not change, until speed changes. I'll say again, I'm not a wrench but I have been troubleshooting stuff my entire life and it's not on the "engine" side, it has to be on the "transmission" side...
By drifting, I assume you mean coasting with the clutch pulled in- smooth as glass. Clutch fully engaged (all the way out) no slipping and again smooth (assuming speed high enough to not stall or lug the engine).
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| Arkainzeye - 2013-06-17 6:20 PM
im curious, you said it is NOT rpm based. but IS speed based.. well the clutches spin with the rpm's of the motor so...
let me ask you this... if you are drifting in a parkinglot at slow speed and you hold the clutch all the way in , what happens?
Mmm, bike begins to slow down because there's no clutch engagement !
Again, I know this issue, many people have reported it. In the case of the person I reference earlier, they actually found the the improperly installed piece (it was in backwards). I'm guessing some newbie at the factory didn't realize that a piece was sensitive to direction, and installed them over a long period of time, backwards. Who knows, he may still be there on the line, not paying attention to which direction one of the plates (judder?, something else?) is installed. It makes a difference, and will cause the surge. It's the EXACT same concept as a warped disk brake rotor, if anyone has ever felt that when coming to a stop. |
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Leighton, IA | Just another example of Victory quality control or, more accurately, a lack thereof. |
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Grand Cane, LA | Ok, I misunderstood when you said it was actually happening. I thought you were talking about after the clutch was fully engaged. If it's doing this when your slipping the clutch for slow speed creeping then it definitely sounds like you have a warped pressure plate or the pressure plate spring is in backwards. More than likely the first and they can machine it down a hair to flatten it back out or if it still under warranty they should repalce it. Now you might have a hard time convincing them on replacing it under warranty as defective as they could say that you might have overheated it slipping it too much. Believe me, I have heard this one before at a Kawasaki dealership! |
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Central Maryland | I can live with the shudder in mine; it only does it first thing in the morning when the engine is cold. Goes away after it warms up.
I'll replace my own clutch if there ever comes a time. After a short talk with my dealer last weekend; whom said you do not need to pre-oil the dry Victory performance air filter (...though the enclosed instructions recommend that you should use the Victory air filter recharge kit -meaning- filter oil) I will elect to not ever have him work on my Vision.
If they can't get an performance air filter correctly defined; I highly doubt they'd know how to reassemble the clutch plates. |
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Clinton, CT | Will stop back into the dealership tomorrow to pres the issue. I initially reported this at roughly 100 miles (1st day of ownership); their advice was that is was normal and would subside with break-in. This was the second indicator that they were questionable and 1600 miles ago...
In the interim and just in case, can anyone sugest a competent dealer in the Northeast (CT) area?
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Jasper, MO | Allen_B - 2013-06-18 5:40 PM
In the interim and just in case, can anyone sugest a competent dealer in the Northeast (CT) area?
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How far are you from Pine Bush, New York (Lloydz)? Couple of hours?
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Clinton, CT | rdbudd - 2013-06-18 7:19 PM
How far are you from Pine Bush, New York (Lloydz)? Couple of hours?
Ronnie
Yup, well within a day drip but closer to Kyle at KMC Powersports in Westerly RI. Heading to KMC for work on my bike whenever he can actually get the new pipes (backordered)... 
My issue is I am actually trying to figure out above is a shop for warranty work- i.e. fixing the clutch problem!
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| Don't know what you found out, but with my new 2013 vision I noticed something slightly odd and somewhat similar on first leaving my driveway.
I let it warm a bit and back out of garage. I have to make an immediate hard full right turn at extremely slow (duck walk) speed so I ease out the clutch and notice a very slight surging sensation. I have attributed it to the round bars of the belt pressing on the groves. This is the only time I notice this. checked the belt and everything seems fine so I am not worried about it. I am also thinking this is what creates the slight shudder under moderate acceleration on the road through the gears. Love the bike but not quite as smooth as my other belt driven bikes until in cruise mode. |
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Clinton, CT | Resurrecting this thread to update... Nothing from the dealership/shop last time it was in other than Victory said the symptoms are "normal" so basically their response was "shut up and color". Haven't had the opportunity to get to KMC or any mods done.
I will say that the dealership was pretty supportive and offered to do whatever they could, including the opportunity to ride another brand-new Vision when they got one to compare symptoms. Following that interaction and in the ensuing weeks, I didn't have much riding time but I finally took the Vision to work last week (Wednesday). On the way to work on I-95, a car started to drift into my lane so I quickly roll into the throttle to open a little distance. RPMs race and the gear indicator drops to "5" from "6". That's damn peculiar... Try this a few more times with the same results...
Get close to work and off of I-95 for some more controlled testing. 3rd gear and 30 MPH throttle roll-on; same indications. Engine RPMs race and the gear indicator drops (from "3" to "2" in this case) so the clutch is now slipping and badly.
Took the bike back to the shop that day and noted it had 2,850 miles on the odometer. The dealership is fighting with Vic/Polaris now but I believe they have ordered a complete clutch. No idea when I'll get the bike back but the feedback I have from the service department is that Polaris has been tough to deal with in every instance they have ever had with them. I will take that with a grain of salt but the shop does seem to be working to get me back on the road so it checks so far.
More to follow, hopefully soon. Good thing I wasn't planning to head to Sturgis this year... :-(
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Clinton, CT | ^^^ Minor edit, that should read 2,085 miles. |
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Central Maryland | Well that is all not good Allen B... hope you get it sorted out with the dealers help. I'd be livid if my new Vision was doing that. And I'm a little wary about Victory not dealing with warranty issues in a more "dealer friendly" manner.... why so may of us just do our own work ourselves these days.... |
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Clinton, CT | I am beginning to think I may have initially misread my dealership...
They admittedly have very little experience working on Victorys, but they seem to give a crap and that means more to me in the long run. A competent tech can follow the service manual and get it right but it is hard to find a shop that is willing to take care of you. Will see how this plays out but the pushback seems to be all from Polaris at this point.
Jury is out and will report back when the verdict comes in...
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Pittsburgh, PA | Allen_B - 2013-07-29 8:00 PM
I am beginning to think I may have initially misread my dealership...
They admittedly have very little experience working on Victorys, but they seem to give a crap and that means more to me in the long run. A competent tech can follow the service manual and get it right but it is hard to find a shop that is willing to take care of you. Will see how this plays out but the pushback seems to be all from Polaris at this point.
Jury is out and will report back when the verdict comes in...
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this is why i wish victory made dealers go through some type of training program like Harley does..... |
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Manchester, CT | I now have 5600 miles on my 2013. I never experienced anything close to the issue that you are experiencing. |
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Chattanooga, TN | You may want to try a Barnett clutch from Lloydz. I'm loving mine, and it was far less expensive than the factory replacement! |
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Clinton, CT | Typing this, astounded with my dealership...
For the record, the dealership in question is Motorsports Nation in Waterford CT. A little confusion at times because the original (and still in business) Motorsports Nation in CT is in Plainfield but they don't carry Victory- only the Waterford store. Same company apparently but run by separate folks...
Anyway, picked up my bike this evening. Yes it is fixed and it has a new entire clutch assembly. I don't want to jeopardize my relationship with them by airing anything told in confidence, but there seems to have been more pushback by VIC on the repairs but the dealership proceeded with repairs regardless. It also sounds like VIC was trying to blame Mobil 1 oil for the failure, eventhough the problems presented at less than 100 miles. The MoCo blaming oil that doesn't say Polaris on it; who would have thunk? Interesting that it seems they couldn't order individual clutch components- they had to order the entire clutch as an assembly. I'm not complaining especially since it looks like a simpler and cheaper repair sown the road but found it odd nonetheless.
Anyway, I would recommend Motorsports Nation to anyone based on my most recent experience. I really like my VV it just seems they (Victory) still have a lot to learn from "other" motor company about support after the sale and with training and support of their dealer network.
I will have the chance to take her to work tomorrow AM and will be able to confirm if the original surging symptom is gone or is "normal" for this bike and a brand new clutch. I can say that from the initial parking lot maneuvers it seems to be fixed!
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Chattanooga, TN | Glad to hear the dealer took care of you!
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Clinton, CT | After a ride to work and back, I can say that all is fixed.
The original surge issue is gone but I will monitor to see if it resurfaces for some reason. In full disclosure, I can detect a VERY faint surge under the same conditions as I originally observed BUT it is so faint that it would not be noticable unless you had experienced the original issue.
All good and relieved!
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Pittsburgh, PA | glad they fixed it for you! i almost wish victory would have "officially" blamed mobil1... i can see it now... seriously doubt mobil would stay for another company slamming their name / product. Victory would spend more $$$ trying to prove it than what the repair would have ever cost them.... |
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Dallas, Texas | This reminds of the issue we had with the gas caps, way back when. "We were filling up the gas too fast", until they replaced the gas cap, and it was ok. "And now, ladies and gentlemen, here's your 2014 Indian", from the same folks that brought you a weak gas filler neck, bad gas cap, saddle bags that don't close flush one side, etc. And prepare yourself for the fight to get warranty work done, 'cause everything you that think is wrong, is either your fault, or normal. Is that why Dealers are breaking down Polaris' door to carry either Victory or Indian? Love the machine, just not the Service from the Company. |
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Clinton, CT | NoMoHD - 2013-08-06 3:19 PM
My 2013 does the same thing. I attribute it to the Idle Air Control trying to hold the elevated cold idle speed
Then we are talking about a different issue. The surging I was experiencing was not RPM dependent- it was speed dependent. Engine speed (and thus IAC or fuel management) did not have an affect.
I hate to say this but the original issue seems to be re-surfacing. For the true mech-heads who are far more familiar with the clutch, is it possible to have something warped or off that would contribute to this? I ask being COMPLETELY ignorant of the clutch in the Vision and being many things but a mechanic not being one of them. Based on the symptoms, I would have to point toward the transmission end vice the flywheel end since engine RPMs are irrelevant; this is speed (tranny) dependent.
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| Hi folks, I'm a newbee to the forum and absolutely love all the info in here. I have a 2011 Vision with 15000 miles and it exhibits the exact same surging as many describe in this thread. It is annoying but only happens to me on the 1st pull away in 1st gear when cold, thereafter clutch is perfectly fine  |
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Clinton, CT | On a related note, the store that I bought my Vision from recently had a Victory demo event. Got a funny look when I told the Vic guys that I wanted to ride the Vision. Very similar feel- not as pronounced as on my bike but there nonetheless.
I am still at a loss as to what could cause it; starting to think it could have something to do with the torque compensator but I don't know enough about it to make an educated guess. This is the 1st bike to ever exhibit this and I've ridden a bunch over the years...
At the end of the day, it seems to be normal for my bike but having to replace the clutch in under 3k miles certainly did not inspire confidence...
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New Vision, clutch surge?