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| I have been following along about the Vision front fender problem started by Spiderman. Over the past few weeks I have received quite a few emails and phone calls about coming up with something. Customers have told me what they want and we are listening. Last night Spiderman contacted us and said he will be bringing his bike in to figure something out. Development of a new fender is now paramount on our list of new products. Spidermans dedication to solving this safety issue so no one gets hurt is second to none.
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| Jon, Thanks so much for at least listening to us Vision riders and caring about our safety..I know from past experiences with you, on other parts, that you are very concerned about customer satisfaction, apparently something Victory Mgmt. is not, and am confident a solution will be found...I commend Spiderman for his diligence and efforts to resolve this issue...As I said on my prior post, the fender on my 2011 seems okay for now, but I am not willing to run-the-risk of an accident or such just because those at Victory seem to feel this is only cosmetic "wear and tear".Too many reports on the various web-sites for me to buy Victory's cop-out on this issue....Thanks again |
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Central Illinois | It is great to hear that you are working on something. An item to be aware of is the impact of corrosion on a front fender. I suspect that is why the back half of the Vision fender is plastic. The HD I traded for my Vision had a bad corrosion problem right at the back edge of its stock steel fender. I used an HD accessory part to cover up the damage for esthetics but it would be nice not to need to face that issue again too. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Oldman47 - 2013-08-30 5:55 PM
It is great to hear that you are working on something. An item to be aware of is the impact of corrosion on a front fender. I suspect that is why the back half of the Vision fender is plastic. The HD I traded for my Vision had a bad corrosion problem right at the back edge of its stock steel fender. I used an HD accessory part to cover up the damage for esthetics but it would be nice not to need to face that issue again too.
Never heard that before. My last bike before The Visions was a 2003 RoadGlide, had 67,000 miles on it when I sold it. Been through a hundred rain storms and never had any problems with the steel fender. However if Witchdoctor wants to do something really trick, make a one piece steel fender AND offer one in aluminum for $80.00 more than the steel version. I'll buy one.............just brace it around the mounting holes please.......
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Hudson, Ohio | WitchDoctor is the man! I am very fortunate to live close by Jon and he agrees this is a serious issue and wants to develop an affordable and safe fender for the Visions. If only Victory had the same attitude!
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Spiderman - 2013-08-30 9:12 PM
WitchDoctor is the man! I am very fortunate to live close by Jon and he agrees this is a serious issue and wants to develop an affordable and safe fender for the Visions. If only Victory had the same attitude!
Ain't that the damn truth !!!!!!!!!!
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | witchdoctor - 2013-08-30 4:54 PM
I have been following along about the Vision front fender problem started by Spiderman. Over the past few weeks I have received quite a few emails and phone calls about coming up with something. Customers have told me what they want and we are listening. Last night Spiderman contacted us and said he will be bringing his bike in to figure something out. Development of a new fender is now paramount on our list of new products. Spidermans dedication to solving this safety issue so no one gets hurt is second to none.
We will do our best to have something ready to go late Sept.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Could always buy the one Kewlmetal already makes, and has made for a couple of years.....just saying
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Manchester, CT | checke dout Kewlmetal. I'm hoping Witchdoctor can come in under their $400 price point. Another alternative is using a cross country fender. One of the holes' spacing is very slightly different which is easy to make work from what I understand. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | kevinx - 2013-08-30 9:38 PM
Could always buy the one Kewlmetal already makes, and has made for a couple of years.....just saying
I'm already looking at that one. In fact I have a post showing the product, but nothing wrong with competition for our dollars as long as quality is equal....... |
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Delray Beach, FL United States | I'm glad Jon is making an effort to make the bike safer and at the same time putting a financial hurting in Victory, maybe they will learn this way to stand behind their product better |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Spiderman : Damn that's fast, Many thanks to you and John. You for your taking action on this problem and John for stepping up so fast........
Nice wheels by the way.........
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| My original thought on how to do it isn't going to work exactly as I planned. I now need to change it up just a wee bit but these new ideas will make the fender better than what I was originally thinking. I have started on getting things together as well as contacted another forum member to help me make a few pieces that I'm going to need. I'm still on schedule to have a proto type ready in the next few days.
Just a few things about building a new part from scratch. It has to be:
1-Affordable to the end user
2-Safe
3-Easy to install
4-High quality in both fit and finish
5-Appealing in looks
6-Add additional benefits over the original piece
7-Easy to manufacture- keeps manufacturing cost down- save the customer money
8-Easy to ship- keeps shipping cost down for the customer
9-Create a "How to" video so customers can see how to install- Again saves you money over paying a dealer
10-Available- Parts are no good if you can't get them.
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Central Illinois | I recognize that there is nothing easy about any new design. I think we all appreciate your effort on this particular product design. |
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Manchester, CT | Jon,
I am confident that the your solution will meet exceed the criteria you listed. I have been more than pleased with the cam and derby covers, Voodoo exhaust and the fluted black exhaust tips!
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Jon, one thought : Not trying to add to your work load, but if you make one fender to replace and be better than the stocker would it be too much to produce a second style. I always thought a one piece fender that has the front section ahead of the front forks extended downward maybe 2 to 3" like a land speed aero fender, I mean it would go with the rest of our Visions streamlining. Like I said just a thought. An Aero Vision front fender option.
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Albuquerque, NM | Jon,
I would like some clarification on this fender project. Are you designing a new one piece front metal fender or a new reinforced plastic or fiberglass version of the defective rear section for the front fender? Some of us are looking for an inexpensive/safe front fender that we all thought we had purchased. A new metal fender plus paint would be 3x the amount of a sturdier plastic or fiberglass replacement. |
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Central Illinois | XRsteve - 2013-08-30 6:14 PM Oldman47 - 2013-08-30 5:55 PM It is great to hear that you are working on something. An item to be aware of is the impact of corrosion on a front fender. I suspect that is why the back half of the Vision fender is plastic. The HD I traded for my Vision had a bad corrosion problem right at the back edge of its stock steel fender. I used an HD accessory part to cover up the damage for esthetics but it would be nice not to need to face that issue again too. Never heard that before. My last bike before The Visions was a 2003 RoadGlide, had 67,000 miles on it when I sold it. Been through a hundred rain storms and never had any problems with the steel fender. However if Witchdoctor wants to do something really trick, make a one piece steel fender AND offer one in aluminum for $80.00 more than the steel version. I'll buy one.............just brace it around the mounting holes please....... And Yes, Thank You for listening......... I am sorry to have to break it to you XRSteve but my 2011 FLTRU had obvious damage at the trailing end of the front fender. I ended up using a Wiily G cover to hide the damage when I traded it for my Vision. I told the Vic dealer about it and gave him the cover parts to use. A bike that is 10 years old may not have the problem but one only 2 years old with a warranty about to expire did have that problem.
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| XRsteve - 2013-09-02 12:05 PM
Jon, one thought : Not trying to add to your work load, but if you make one fender to replace and be better than the stocker would it be too much to produce a second style. I always thought a one piece fender that has the front section ahead of the front forks extended downward maybe 2 to 3" like a land speed aero fender, I mean it would go with the rest of our Visions streamlining. Like I said just a thought. An Aero Vision front fender option.
I will look at doing a second and maybe a third design but right now all efforts are on making the first one. Once that's done I will get some opinions on what you guys want different. |
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Manchester, CT | Thanks Jon
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Sturbridge, Ma | Hi Jon, And thanks for looking into it? I myself would be happy with a two piece! In other words if you can make soimething to replace the original back piece in the same style but in metal and Black thats good for me! I don't care for a whole new single piece! As far as I care I really can't see it anyway and all I would like to see is something to replace the stock that won't break>>>Just my two cents! |
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| Got conquest customs to make me a one piece alum wrap around fender when I added a 21 inch wheel . No offense to Witchdoctor but there are fender options out there already, hmd , conquest and kewl metal , they ain't cheap but crashing one with that plastic junk is going cost a lot more. |
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| Got conquest customs to make me a one piece alum wrap around fender when I added a 21 inch wheel . No offense to Witchdoctor but there are fender options out there already, hmd , conquest and kewl metal , they ain't cheap but crashing one with that plastic junk is going cost a lot more. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I agree there are a few options now, but if Witchdoctors wants to join in I say excellent, the more choices we have the better.............. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | Eric_MA - 2013-09-03 1:35 PM
Hi Jon, And thanks for looking into it? I myself would be happy with a two piece! In other words if you can make soimething to replace the original back piece in the same style but in metal and Black thats good for me! I don't care for a whole new single piece! As far as I care I really can't see it anyway and all I would like to see is something to replace the stock that won't break>>>Just my two cents!
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I have some custom paint work on the front upper + the chrome piece from Vic. Just a metal black rear would be the ticket |
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| Just wanted to give you an update and that things are moving along. I'm a little behind but should move faster next week. I have one step done already. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | witchdoctor - 2013-09-07 4:41 PM
Just wanted to give you an update and that things are moving along. I'm a little behind but should move faster next week. I have one step done already.
Thanks for the quick work......... |
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Manchester, CT | Can you give us an idea what the first fender will look like..e.g 2 piece, 1 etc |
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| No sorry not yet. On a few of the other forums some are making some condescending remarks so at this point I'm keeping it to myself. Its a shame that when you try to help and offer another solution we have to take crap for it. Childish really.. Even Spiderman does not know. lol I should have the next step done over the next few days and will update you again. I just really wanted to let everyone now its moving along. |
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| Jon, Exactly why I am not getting involved in these discussions anymore...Too many negative opinions from those that think they know it all and assume that most of us are just plain stupid!! We should be working together as Victory riders to help solve issues not constant "in-fighting"..... |
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Central Maryland | opas ride - 2013-09-08 12:30 PM
Jon, Exactly why I am not getting involved in these discussions anymore...Too many negative opinions from those that think they know it all and assume that most of us are just plain stupid!! We should be working together as Victory riders to help solve issues not constant "in-fighting".....
Ummm.. you just involved yourself again; by replying to this thread. Shake off the hurt puppy feelings Opas and address the issue yourself.
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Hudson, Ohio | witchdoctor - 2013-09-08 9:53 AM
Even Spiderman does not know. lol
That's what you think...I rigged Spidey Vision with a Spidey Cam...I have been spying on you all week. Don't forget who you are dealing with LOL. Oh yeah, I have some really good blackmail material on you now too!!!
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Manchester, CT | Witchdoctor...what are you doing on the forum??? You should be heads down saving lives by working on your new fender  Im sure it will be well worth the wait! |
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Peru, IN | willtill - 2013-09-08 5:20 PM opas ride - 2013-09-08 12:30 PM Jon, Exactly why I am not getting involved in these discussions anymore...Too many negative opinions from those that think they know it all and assume that most of us are just plain stupid!! We should be working together as Victory riders to help solve issues not constant "in-fighting"..... Ummm.. you just involved yourself again; by replying to this thread. Shake off the hurt puppy feelings Opas and address the issue yourself. Good gawd. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. Feel free to leave your "not so nice" comments out of these threads, Will. You're not impressing anyone.
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, FL United States | witchdoctor - 2013-09-10 10:57 PM
Actually I am working on it. Hope to have the next step done tomorrow.lol
Jon, thank you for persevering though all the negative comments. We who know you know that when you take on a project it gets done with excellent results. |
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Manchester, CT | Today while detailing my bike (2013 Vision with 8600 miles) I decided to check my front fender. Much to my dismay, I found a severe crack over and below the left side mount point. As you will see in the pictures, there is NO SIGN OF WEAR AND TEAR If the issue was due to wear and tear there would be stress marks and stress fractures. My fender was catastrophic due to faulty engineering design and materials. I will post this to Victory's facebook page. Please advise on who else I should make aware of the issue in addition to my dealership.
http://shutterpro.smugmug.com/Other/2013-Victory-Vision-Cracked/318... |
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Central Maryland | Street Eagle - 2013-09-11 9:39 PM
Today while detailing my bike (2013 Vision with 8600 miles) I decided to check my front fender. Much to my dismay, I found a severe crack over and below the left side mount point. As you will see in the pictures, there is NO SIGN OF WEAR AND TEAR If the issue was due to wear and tear there would be stress marks and stress fractures. My fender was catastrophic due to faulty engineering design and materials. I will post this to Victory's facebook page. Please advise on who else I should make aware of the issue in addition to my dealership.
http://shutterpro.smugmug.com/Other/2013-Victory-Vision-Cracked/318...
That is amazing. Such a new bike. I haven't developed this on my 2011 yet. I wonder if some of the cause of the crack(s) is due to the improperly tightened mounting bolt(s)?
1. Street Eagle; time to whip out some alcohol for cleaning the inside of that rear fender; some JB-Weld and some thin steel stock to backplate that area.
2. Or just go buy a new fender.
Option 1 above is cheaper and more readily available. If you are so inclined to take care of it yourself. Victory won't.
Gotta do what you gotta do....
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Camas Washington | At a friends last night who has a 2011 Vision trike, out of the blue she says her front back fender cracked. Asked her if she has been reading the form lately and said no. She called the dealer and they are going to charge her to replace it. Told her to tell them hell no they pay for it. Its seems as the more Visions age this problem is cropping up more and more. |
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+1 on making the fender longer.
I am thinking 2-3" would give more protection to the battery area. It would also look better in MHO.
Thanks for your efforts.
Is there a date yet on when we will be able to place orders?
This is kinda life waiting for Christmas so I can buy my own gift!
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Central Maryland | Monkeyman - 2013-09-11 5:37 AM
willtill - 2013-09-08 5:20 PM opas ride - 2013-09-08 12:30 PM Jon, Exactly why I am not getting involved in these discussions anymore...Too many negative opinions from those that think they know it all and assume that most of us are just plain stupid!! We should be working together as Victory riders to help solve issues not constant "in-fighting"..... Ummm.. you just involved yourself again; by replying to this thread. Shake off the hurt puppy feelings Opas and address the issue yourself. Good gawd. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. Feel free to leave your "not so nice" comments out of these threads, Will. You're not impressing anyone.
I'm not trying to impress anyone Monkeyman. Where the hell did you get that idea?
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| Rammurry - 2013-09-14 4:56 PM
Jon
+1 on making the fender longer.
I am thinking 2-3" would give more protection to the battery area. It would also look better in MHO.
Thanks for your efforts.
Is there a date yet on when we will be able to place orders?
This is kinda life waiting for Christmas so I can buy my own gift!
I keep changing my mind on how I want to do this. lol Each time I think I'm almost done I look at it and say "If i did this is would make it better" and then I go back to the drawing board. I have some more material coming on Monday so I hope to have the new idea figured out by hopefully Tuesday. I have trial fit the new fender on the bike and just making some tweaks- BUT when you tweak 1 thing it screws up 2 more! lol
Making the fender longer in the back shouldn't be a problem- but then again it might be back to the drawing board.
I'm not going to take any pre orders just yet. I want to get it done so everyone can see what they are buying plus I wont have a final cost until I have it all figured out. Once I get a prototype done I can then take pre orders and start making them. |
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Peru, IN | How about a hint, Jon? What material are you using? Fiberglass, plastic, aluminum, steel? C'mon. This is killing us. |
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| witchdoctor - 2013-09-14 5:04 PM
Rammurry - 2013-09-14 4:56 PM
Jon
+1 on making the fender longer.
I am thinking 2-3" would give more protection to the battery area. It would also look better in MHO.
Thanks for your efforts.
Is there a date yet on when we will be able to place orders?
This is kinda life waiting for Christmas so I can buy my own gift!
I keep changing my mind on how I want to do this. lol Each time I think I'm almost done I look at it and say "If i did this is would make it better" and then I go back to the drawing board. I have some more material coming on Monday so I hope to have the new idea figured out by hopefully Tuesday. I have trial fit the new fender on the bike and just making some tweaks- BUT when you tweak 1 thing it screws up 2 more! lol
Making the fender longer in the back shouldn't be a problem- but then again it might be back to the drawing board.
I'm not going to take any pre orders just yet. I want to get it done so everyone can see what they are buying plus I wont have a final cost until I have it all figured out. Once I get a prototype done I can then take pre orders and start making them.
Jon
We know your dedication to your work and the quality you will bring to the table.
Take your time to satisfy your self and your customers will be happy.
My fender has not yet failed, however I still am concerned about the safety of the co-pilot and myself.
I promise to my clean my room and not tease the other kids (HD riders) hoping Santa will arrive soon (lol).
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Delray Beach, FL United States | I personally would like an extended rear front fender to protect the battery & oil cooler. And I think it is great that you see the importance in fixing this matter. You guys rock! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Chef John - 2013-09-14 10:56 PM
I personally would like an extended rear front fender to protect the battery & oil cooler. And I think it is great that you see the importance in fixing this matter. You guys rock!
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LaGrange, GA | CoolHandLuke - 2013-09-15 11:20 AM
Making the rear section longer/lower would NOT be good,IMHO. I know that the first one broke due to tall 'speed bumps' (more like mountains) that are installed in the RV park where I live.
I agree with you -- I don't want longer. I work at a college and park wherever I can. Sometimes that means going up or down a curb. I have enough clearance now to do that, but not much room to spare. I'd hate to spend $$$ on a nice metal fender and then crunch it dropping off of a sidewalk. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | BrandonM7 - 2013-09-15 10:57 PM
CoolHandLuke - 2013-09-15 11:20 AM
Making the rear section longer/lower would NOT be good,IMHO. I know that the first one broke due to tall 'speed bumps' (more like mountains) that are installed in the RV park where I live.
I agree with you -- I don't want longer. I work at a college and park wherever I can. Sometimes that means going up or down a curb. I have enough clearance now to do that, but not much room to spare. I'd hate to spend $$$ on a nice metal fender and then crunch it dropping off of a sidewalk.
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Will today bring the highly anticipated update and possibly a look at Witchdotor's new fender? 😃 |
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| Just giving an update! I have more done on it and getting very close to having a prototype done. I mounted it up today and so far so good. I had asked around a bit to see if longer- extended- in the rear was feasible. Some said yes and some said no. A good point that was brought up was speed bumps. I looked into it and have decided to keep it the stock length in the back. It already is lower or just about even with the front cowling and I DO think it would hit speed bumps if it were any lower. As I was looking at this I got to wondering if any ones that have cracked could have hit a speed bump? Just a thought..
Keep in mind this is a fender for the normal rider. Once this is done I will / can make one that is custom all the way around which could mean lower in the rear for those of you that want that.
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Broken Arrow, OK | witchdoctor - 2013-09-17 7:13 PM
As I was looking at this I got to wondering if any ones that have cracked could have hit a speed bump? Just a thought..
Not trying to stir a pot but I agree. These cracked fenders did not happen just riding. There's been some type of blunt trauma to the piece over time. I'm sure it's an afterthought when it happens but something other than just age and rolling down the road causes it. Speed bump, coming off a curb, etc. I'm sure this is why Victory doesn't do something to change it. Can't prove it of course as well as those w/ issues can't disprove it.
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Peru, IN | It DOESN'T happen because of bumps. That's easy to tell. Just look at the bottom of the fender. Mine didn't have any marks on the bottom, meaning it didn't come in contact with anything and it still cracked. Before Victory replaces any of these, they require pics. If they saw evidence that it had hit something, they wouldn't authorize a replacement as that would then be up to your insurance company. I'm not saying that there isn't one or 2 out there that haven't come in contact with a speed bump, but that's NOT the cause of the mass failure. Sorry, okie, but these DID happen with "just age and rolling down the road". If you go over a speed bump high enough to hit the OEM fender, you'll do some damage to other body parts. |
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Maybe you could offer powder coating as an option. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Denton Texas | I would think that if it is long enough to drag on a speed bumb, that is also a design problem. |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | Go out and look at a Vision some time. If you hit a speed bump with the fender, you'll absolutely destroy the front tupperware, battery, front of the motor, etc. If you're going over speed bumps or curbs that high, you need to find an alternate route. |
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Iron Butt
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Broken Arrow, OK | Monkeyman - 2013-09-18 8:08 AM
Sorry, okie, but these DID happen with "just age and rolling down the road".
No apology needed. I think it is a poor design.
You didn't change my mind but its an interesting topic
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Cruiser
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Hudson, Ohio | Ohhhh Boys.....wait till you see the WitchDoctor solution. Got a sneak peek today.....gonna be a nice alternative to other offerings that is for sure. |
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Iron Butt
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Broken Arrow, OK | If there's laser cut web designs in this fender, we're gonna have issues! |
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Cruiser
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Hudson, Ohio | okie vision - 2013-09-18 11:11 PM
If there's laser cut web designs in this fender, we're gonna have issues!
LOL....that would be cool! Thanks for the idea....I will get with the Doctor stat! |
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New user
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| Any update would be much appreciated. Both sides are cracked all the way on my bike. Duck tape is working so far. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hope to see something soon........... |
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Cruiser
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| I actually got behind. I have also been making some Cross bike body panels that guys want before Daytona. No excuses- I'm working on it today.
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Tourer
Posts: 500
| Took care of my fender problems and am now riding a Honda F6B..Loved both my Vic's but have longed to return to the flat 6 motor...Good luck with the replacement fenders as Jon will find a good solution....Ride safe...... |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | opas ride - 2013-09-28 7:10 PM
Took care of my fender problems and am now riding a Honda F6B..Loved both my Vic's but have longed to return to the flat 6 motor...Good luck with the replacement fenders as Jon will find a good solution....Ride safe......
Tell us a little more about it......... |
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Cruiser
Posts: 128
| So here it finally is!
I had made a proto type and mounted it on the bike on Wed but didn't quite like the fit. So knowing that Spiderman was coming Friday, I started from scratch again. I stayed up 36 hours and built a new mold and a new fender! Yes folks I built this in a day. lol Spiderman is testing it out for me and will give feedback soon. So far he has about 250 miles on it with no problems.
So here are the specs:
Everything the same size as the stock one
Fiberglass with reinforced around mounting points with Kevlar
Gel-coated finish
Direct bolt on- no drilling required
Works with factory fog lights
Available in primer or factory color finish
I will have an install video. So far it look like it can be done without removing the front wheel.
Cost $400-500 I will know exact when I start producing them
Hopefully available mid November but I have to see how production goes
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | One piece! That 'sucka IS NOT going to fall off...! Sounds well built too!
Hope Ma Vic is watching this thread. |
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Iron Butt
Posts: 849
, FL United States | Looks good, Jon. Will be following this thread re: cost, availability, etc |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | It's mighty good work jon, might good work! I noticed the "step" that basically mimics the original two piece design. Was there any problem in not putting this step down in your design?
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Iron Butt
Posts: 691
Manchester, CT | Jon.,,quite a handsome piece and display of craftsmanship!!! Its great to see that is still strong Vision advocates like yourself creating new and innovative solutions for our Vision owner community. |
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Cruiser
Posts: 128
| Varyder- My goal was to mimic the stock fender as nearly as possible. The rear step 1- does this and 2- a lot of people told me they like the look of the rear section being black and the front painted to match their bike. The thing it also does is makes a great place to tape off when painting a two tone color. Whenever you can "break" the lines between colors it looks better. An example would be you wouldn't paint one color down the center of a door and another color right above it. If would look dumb. If you did the two colors on the edge or where a factory molding is it looks better. Its an extremely small detail thing but I tried to incorporate a bunch of things in the design.
The rear portion of the fender is narrowed up just a bit so that it is easier for you to install. With my design you DO NOT have to remove the front wheel. If it was left as wide as stock it wouldn't fit between the forks. In order for you to slide the factory fender on you would have to remove the front wheel. I cant see any other reason why Victory made it two piece. The two piece (as Victory has it) makes the fender easy to install maybe at the factory or during manufacturing.
Another thing that I didn't mention is I'm working on metal bushings that will go in the bolt holes of the fender. This way when you tighten up the bolts you will actually squish the bushing and not so much on the fiberglass. All really well made fiberglass parts incorporate this. It helps to relieve the possibility of creating stress cracks. Star bursts? Nope not with this. Ever see a fiberglass fender with little star bursts on them from stones and rocks hitting the underside and and breaking the paint? My fender incorporates a liner that stops this as well as giving it rigidity.
I have tried to incorporate just about everything into this fender. Its a combination of what you all asked for as well as making it strong, safe, reliable and somewhat easy to manufacture. The fact that you can buy it and install it out of the box yourself is just icing on the cake and another reason why Witchdoctors.com remains number 1. |
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | Huzzah for WitchDoctors !!!! |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Excellent job brother................ |
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Cruiser
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| Thank you. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks, it is a work of art. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks, it is a work of art. |
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Cruiser
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Hudson, Ohio | Sorry for not posting earlier folks BUT, I was riding the twisties in SE Ohio this weekend with a bunch of other great people (most Victory or former Victory owners).
Anyway, my week last week was very unpredictable due to all the issues Jon had with this fender project. He spent a long time developing the mold, only to find out last Wednesday that the mold was flawed and the fender project was set back. I thought - oh well, I have my conquest bike (V3NIM) and I will just take that on the trip. This was Wednesday...so, I started to plan the trip (packing, etc) with V3NIM in mind. Friday evening, Jon calls me and says - "hey your Vision and the new fender will be ready at 9PM and if you like I will BRING IT TO YOU"! I was shocked - utterly shocked at this development. Jon lives and works iN Warren, OH - about 45 minutes to an hour from my house. I said thanks, but I will hop on V3NIM and drop it off and pick up the Vision. He said fine. I get there, the fender is done and drying under a heat lamp...it's warm to the touch and Jon starts installing it on the Vision.
No offense Jon but he looked like hell and I said - how long have you been here - he said "I have been working on this since Wednesday - non stop". I said when was the last time you slept - Jon said - Wednesday.
The bottom line, Jon said my Vision was going to be ready on Friday and come hell or high water he was going to get it ready. And, he did. By the way, he also installed, new 2" back bars, new Avon heated grips, painted the trunk top black, installed new shift linkage too!
OK - my review on the fender. It is top notch...excellent quality and will be even better when Jon adds the special made bushings where the fender bolts to the forks (overkill but does not add much in cost and adds additional piece of mind). The one piece design looks exactly like the OEM fender BUT it is one complete piece. The back part of the fender is slightly more narrow than the orginal OEM so it will slide easily through the forks. It took Jon all of 15 minutes to install it. I had zero issues with it on my approximate 500 miles that I put on it through the twisties this weekend. The only thing I noticed is the road debris makes a slightly different sound when hitting the fiberglas vs. the OEM plastic. This is exactly what I wanted and I highly recommend it to anyone that wants to put this fender issue to rest - once and for all.
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | It looks lower so there wouldn't be a need for a flap, am I seeing that right? |
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Cruiser
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Apopka, FL | Do you paint it before shipping or is that up to us to paint?
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Cruiser
Posts: 128
| As I said in the earlier post it is the same size as stock with the exception of the rear being more narrow and it will come painted. I decided against longer because to many people said no because of speed bumps. |
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Tourer
Posts: 411
Dallas, Texas | Looks great, fantastic job! Now, so I can save my pennies...when are orders starting? How much? '08 in Super Steel Gray, if you would, please Sir...TRULY appreciate your craftsmanship.
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Cruiser
Posts: 128
| Should be available mid-late Nov. thanks |
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 5
| Any updates on this? |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | but... I dont see the option for the Laser guided Deer Slayer Missile attachment ? !! |
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Cruiser
Posts: 169
Iowa | As others have said, thanks Jon for what you do for Vision riders. It looks great. Guess I better go look at my front fender for cracks. |
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Cruiser
Posts: 215
Boydsville, AR United States | I replaced mine on my 2008 last summer. Blamed the guys who installed a new front tire, because the forks locked up a couple of weeks later. It hasn't been over any curbs, speed bumps, or on a lift since. I just checked the fender, and it is starting to crack again. *(&^%#%$@#$%$!!!!!
I have never been so happy with a bike since this one, with the exception of the fender issue. When I go ta a bike shop, I don't want a new one, I want mine. But it is fun to look. |
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 5
| Can we buy these yet or is there still a hangup? |
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Cruiser
Posts: 63
Calgary, AB, | jzrawlins - 2014-02-28 10:28 AM Can we buy these yet or is there still a hangup? Any updates on availability yet\/ |
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Cruiser
Posts: 128
| http://buywitchdoctors.com/p/2621/victory-motorcycle-parts-products... |
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Visionary
Posts: 2300
Georgia, west of Atlanta | Sweet !!!!!!! |
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Cruiser
Posts: 178
LaGrange, GA | Outstanding work, sir. I've put it on the short (very short) list. |
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Cruiser
Posts: 219
Pittsburgh, PA | If you installed one of these, can you post a new update on how these are standing the test of time. They have been out for 3 months and I need a new front fender. Another question I have. Has Victory fixed the new stock fenders? I need to get some deer impact work done and a new fender is on the list. If I get a new stock one now, will it still have the same issues? I have other items I wish to purchase from witchdoctors so I'm pretty sure that is the way I a mooing to go. |
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