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Land O Lakes, FL | So there are some really good deals out there for end of year and my Vision is coming up to the end of the warranty period. I really love the Vision and I love the Blue CCT as well. I found one for $18,9k.
I was curious if any have ridden one and what there thoughts were. Does it handle the same as the Vision? Comfort? I like the idea of all that extra storage and more passenger room, adjustable passenger pegs, etc. Of course the power windscreen and amazing looks of the Vision are hard to pass up too. This is the longest I've ever kept any one bike, it'll be 2 years in February. So far it's been trouble free for the most part save for the occasional drop out of 2nd gear under hard acceleration (maybe I didn't kick up hard enough) and the ABS light comes on now and again but I think that's a dirty sensor. I would just hate for those to turn expensive as the warranty runs out.
My other option is to see if you can purchase the extended warranty, I know most manufacturers you can if the bike is still under the factory warranty.
Would like to hear what you all think? Or upgrade to the red 2013 Vision that I absolutely love but damn that blue CCT is gorgeous too!
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elgin mn | The only upside for me would be the larger bags. Okay done thinking about it. Love my 08 Vision. | |
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Central Illinois | Buy a new bike or an extended warranty? I never buy extended warranties because they cost so much compared to the likely claims but I would do that rather than buy a new bike every year. | |
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Phenix City AL. | If you do a lot of two up riding or long distance riding ( long distance is a relative term lol) I would keep the vision or buy a new one, I traded my 09 vision for a XC, I do not ride two up, I do more short trips/ commuting than long trips, so I think the XC will be fine, when I get the time to do more long range trips, I will get a vision again. | |
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| like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them | |
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Pillager, MN | johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 5:32 PM like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them No thanks... No Cruise...No ABS...knees bent up under you. My best friend bought one. It's a little faster than my Vision, but not even close in the way of comfort. I talked to my salesman at the local Honda dealer...they're not selling. He said riders will NOT buy a bike like this without cruise. I came of a Valkyrie, so I have a pretty good idea of the smoothness of the flat 6, but I like my Vision way more...
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Phenix City AL. | I see you have the FB6 I would keep your vision, just install cams and other go faster stuff. | |
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Victoria Tx, TX United States | I test drove a '12 Vision and '12 CCT. On a very windy day in Texas. The CCT was great!!! But since the fairing is attached to the forks you can feel the wind adjust the handle bars. Plus the bike is a little cooler temp from motor wise. The Vision stayed true. It goes into the turns similar to my old Suzuki109, or sport bike. Other than that I bought a '12 Vision!!! And enjoy it every time!! Extended warranties are personal choice. I normally do not purchase them. AND no I have not purchase 1 on my Vision. Good luck!! | |
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Land O Lakes, FL | 39 chev - 2013-12-21 6:58 PM
johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 5:32 PM like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them No thanks... No Cruise...No ABS...knees bent up under you. ?My best friend bought one. ?It's a little faster than my Vision, but not even close in the way of comfort. I talked to my salesman at the local Honda dealer...they're not selling. ?He said riders will NOT buy a bike like this without cruise. I came of a Valkyrie, so I have a pretty good idea of the smoothness of the flat 6, but I like my Vision way more... ? ? ?
I would disagree with the comfort, that bike is butter smooth, quiet and with the gunfighter saddle it moves you much further back. It also has a USB connection for any type of music player and the premium audio system sounds better than my Vision with the Kicker setup and 4 speakers. Oh and don't forget it comes with a center stand that actually lifts the rear tire for cleaning and access. It's a traditional sport bike style peg configuration nothing that hasn't been seen on pretty much everything that isn't a cruiser style setup. I have a Utopia backrest, Kury hwy pegs, go cruise throttle lock, big windscreen, passenger back rest extender and the center cupholder and junk holder and I have no problem getting on that bike and riding it all day long. My Vision is the same way I can take that bike and ride all day. When I had my Goldwing I did the same type of trips on it as I do my Vision. Both Ride all day comfort.
The F6 wasn't meant to have all the creature comforts and crap a wing has on it, they were trying to to keep the cost down and kinda figured if you need all that then get the wing lol. Trying to compete in the bagger line up and they scored a home run. I see more of those on the road than GoldWings now and the dealers seem to be moving them along just fine here in Florida.
At the end of the day it's about what you like. The Vision and The F6 are very different riding experiences but can easily accomplish the same goal. I can putz around town on either or go ride across the country on either just depends on the experience I want to have. The handling is great on both machines the power and Tq is a better on the wing but it lacks the soul of my Twin. Its a blessing to be able to afford both so I can enjoy them as I please. | |
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Land O Lakes, FL | Been talking this over with the Family as well. They all like the looks of the Vision better. So far the Red 2013 Vision is the front runner, with the 2014 Orange next then the CCT in Blue and finally either the black or white vision for '14. Or of course keep my Silver/Black and enjoy it. I'd like to get an extended warranty but I don't think Victory lets you do that after you've past 30 days. A new one with a 36 month warranty would be ideal though. I do need to get it to the dealer to be checked up on, fuel gauge sensor is getting flakey, ABS light pops on now and again as well. | |
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Great Mills, MD | I noticed that the pillion seating is different on the two bikes, the Vision has a more wrap around design and the CCT has a flatter design. My buddy rides a XC, he got on my bike with his girlfriend and she really liked the back seat on the Vision. | |
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Glendale, AZ United States | I personally like the Victory Demo events where you have the opportunity to ride both and compare them side by side without having to deal with sales reps. What sold me on the Vision was the bike really needs "nothing" right out of the box. Anything you could possibly need or want from a 2 up long-distance Vtwin powered touring motorcycle is there for the taking with the Vision. The Vision also promotes confidence in the rider department and handling with the frame mounted fairing and low center of gravity.
A comment was made the term touring is relative and I would agree with that statement. In my opinion the Vision will do that 100 or 1000 mile day ride better not to mention it retails for a few thousand cheaper than the XC. I spoke with the owner of Mesa Victory in my neck of the woods a few months back and from his standpoint the Vision is Victory's flagship bike and will continue to be for some time. God, this reads like a commercial, hahaha. | |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 4:32 PM
like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Nothing handles like the Vision
Nothing carries more than the Cross Country
Nothing is as comfortable as the Vision. 
Nothing protects from the elements like the Vision
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Prairie City, IA United States | johnnyvision - 2013-12-21 5:32 PM
like the other guy I would buy that F6 Honda and never look back. Yes Honda is American made and has thousands of Americans working for them
Honda moved its entire production back to Japan in 2011. That is why you cannot buy a 2011 GW. They didn't make one.
Hands down, the Vision is more comfortable to ride. Traded a 2010GW with 26K miles and spent most of those miles trying to get comfortable. | |
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I really like my Vision BUT I have never bought the same bike twice. | |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I've never bought the same bike twice either. There's a good chance I would buy a Vision again but only after I evaluate the redesign that is inevitably coming. Indian is another interesting motorcycle but not the touring machine a Vision is. If I need a replacement touring machine , most likely Vision, if my Vision is still doing well years from now and I want something for cruising and gazing at, might look at an Indian. I'm happy Vision rider right now. Interesting to see what Victory and Indian have out in 4 years which is when I will be casually considering my next steel horse. Lord willing , of course. | |
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Land O Lakes, FL | I agree the Vision is very very comfy to ride but so is a GoldWing, I've owned 3 now, 2 GL1800's and now the F6B which in my opinion has the best riding position of any Wing they ever made and the best wind management as well, the Vision is still just a tick better in the wind department though. I kinda like that, the F6 is more open more cruiser like and more wind while the Vision nestles you in nicely for the long haul. It's a great bike and that's why I've had mine almost 2 years now.
I think I got the CCT bug out of my system. Gonna keep my Vision and just keep enjoying it. I may take a trip to kevinX and see about the "upgrade" and get some power out of it. It's great now with the tune, filter and exhaust but could be even better! | |
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Glendale, AZ United States | I may rattle a few trees here and as far as I'm concerned if the bike does what you intend it to do and you are happy with it that's all that matters. I personally am all about long-distance touring and will only own a long-distance pack camel because my financial means will only allow for one motorcycle in my garage. I have not seen any formal reviews or unbiased youtube videos with a Vision/Goldwing comparison. A link would be much appreciated if any of you came across anything.
The IBA heavyweights and rally top finishers love the FJR, BMW, Goldwing, and ST 1300. There was a gal with a 08 Vision entry in this year's rally that had a very strong showing after the first leg, but that was it for Victory and the only Victory entry to the best of my knowledge. I'm not sure why the IBA heavyweights don't get on board with Victory and the Vision specifically. I think your guess is as good as mine as to why this is. I think just to finish would be a huge accomplishment and one of those at least once in a lifetime must DOs.
There were plenty of Goldwings on hand at the rally and I would personally consider the Goldwing to be on top of the pecking order from long-distance touring standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my Vision and you do get a lot of bang for your buck with the Vision, especially if you buy used. I love the handling and the utility of the rear trunk in addition to having a rolling jukebox on wheels as my BMW buddy likes to point out as I'm bopping my head at a red light when we come to a stop. I plan on riding the doors off my Vision (No pun intended) and don't plan on selling or trading in anytime soon, but would tend to agree that I will most likely not purchase the same bike twice not to mention the Vision would be the only bike in the Victory lineup I would own. As mentioned, we will see what will come down the pike from Victory as far as a future purchase is concerned, but for me the Goldwing is the top contender as a next bike. Cheers, Vlad.
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Land O Lakes, FL | One of the nice things about the Wing is the aftermarket. ANYTHING you could ever want for a motorcycle and probably a bunch of stuff you didn't is available for the Wing and it all directly bolts in and plugs in without any fuss or muss. That part is nice, really nice, just a massive selection of farkles to buy. You can make a GoldWing a rolling couch, any kind of seat you can imagine, endless windshield and wind management choices, foot pegs, floor boards and highway pegs for days.
And for those that bag on the Wings handling and say the Vision is superior haven't really "ridden" a wing. it has a reputation as a 900lb sport bike for a reason, mainly of course because it rides on basically a sport bike chassis. Aluminum frame, single sided pro swing arm, inverted forks, etc. And Traxxion makes a upgrade for them that makes them pretty sick. Yes the Vision is a great handling machine no doubt and one of the things I love about it is it's handling feel is damn close to a GoldWing and that's NOT a bad thing...
This is what a wing is capable of doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&feature=player_embedded#...
I know we all put on our "brand loyalty" hats because we love what we purchased, but I like to give credit where credit is due and this fight goes to the Wing. You put a stock Wing and a Stock Vision on a track together and the Wing will just dust it stock vs stock... The Vision is great, no doubt but so is the Wing...
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New Bohemia, VA | most arguements about which bike is better often has a bias slant to it and does not hit the target mass. While the wing is a great bike, long-standing, and so on, it is far from my best choice. I don't drag race my Vision, I ride it. I ride it to work, I ride to visit family, I ride it in my day to day activiity. For what I do, the Wing is absolutely the worse bike for me, period. I had a GL1200, GL1500 and sat on a GL1800. They are top heavy tanks, cars on two wheels, wide seat, high seat, wide stance in the highway pegs and to far rear for me on the standard pegs. While one could finesse a wing, and while the stock 6 cyclinder can whoop a smaller V-twin, does not make it a better bike for all applications and all people. As it was said, folks will put on the loyality hat and dare anyone to knock it off, that doesn't make it a better bike for the massses. | |
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Jasper, MO | PhantomX - 2013-12-30 11:10 AM
One of the nice things about the Wing is the aftermarket. ANYTHING you could ever want for a motorcycle and probably a bunch of stuff you didn't is available for the Wing and it all directly bolts in and plugs in without any fuss or muss. That part is nice, really nice, just a massive selection of farkles to buy. You can make a GoldWing a rolling couch, any kind of seat you can imagine, endless windshield and wind management choices, foot pegs, floor boards and highway pegs for days.
And for those that bag on the Wings handling and say the Vision is superior haven't really "ridden" a wing. it has a reputation as a 900lb sport bike for a reason, mainly of course because it rides on basically a sport bike chassis. Aluminum frame, single sided pro swing arm, inverted forks, etc. And Traxxion makes a upgrade for them that makes them pretty sick. Yes the Vision is a great handling machine no doubt and one of the things I love about it is it's handling feel is damn close to a GoldWing and that's NOT a bad thing...
This is what a wing is capable of doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&feature=player_embedded#...
I know we all put on our "brand loyalty" hats because we love what we purchased, but I like to give credit where credit is due and this fight goes to the Wing. You put a stock Wing and a Stock Vision on a track together and the Wing will just dust it stock vs stock... The Vision is great, no doubt but so is the Wing...
The Goldwing is a great bike, for sure, but your assertion that it out-handles the Vision isn't true. I rode the "Dragon" and many other roads with friends on 1800 Goldwings, and they drag hard parts LONG before the Vision does, and can't keep up in the hard corners because of it. Yes, the handling is great, comparable to the Vision, and is fully capable of surprising many sportbike riders, but the 'Wing just doesn't have the cornering clearance to equal the Vision. They both handle similarly well (I used to have one, and my riding companions still do), but the Vision has better cornering clearance and can beat the Goldwing through a series of tight curves. The Goldwing is a great handling touring bike. The Vision is better yet.
That's real world experience talking, and I and the guys I ride with are all aggressive and experienced former sport bike riders. Equally experienced riders are faster on the Vision than the Goldwing. It is only because of the cornering clearance differences. The actual handling of the two bikes is quite comparable in most situations.
On the "Dragon" we had a young friend who was riding a ZX14 along with us. He could power up and catch us (two Goldwings and my Vision) in the straighter sections, but wasn't able to keep up with us in the curves. The bike was capable of out-handling our touring rigs, but the rider wasn't. He would always fall back through the curves, and then catch us again when the road straightened a bit. The Goldwings were throwing sparks through every curve, but I only touched down once, (intentionally--to see how much lean angle I had left) and could have gone faster had I not had a Goldwing in front of me slowing me down. On the return trip through the "Dragon", we let the kid on the ZX14 lead, and he would blast away from us on the straights, and then hold us up through each corner as we caught him again. He has a lot to learn about cornering. The kid is a fierce competitor on the dragstrip with that ZX14 though.
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Land O Lakes, FL | yes the ground clearance can be a bit to work around but it's not that much shorter than the Vision and if you take the right line and right speed you won't be dragging it that much. I also am a former sport bike rider and racer (600's) and also owned 2 ZX14's, Busa's, 600's, BMW's and the list goes on and I can hustle either bike through the twisties at about the same pace, edge to the wing because it simply has more power. If you were to time trial each on a track the wing would beat it, it simply has way more power stock vs stock and the minor difference it may loose in a corner in clearance (and its probably an inch or two) it more than makes up for in torque and pulling power. The Wing simply has power everywhere, I know I ride them both, currently and my F6B is even better, more clearance, lower motor, less top heavy, feels like a toy and you can sling it around quite handily.
At the end of the day it's the skill of the rider that determines the victor but 2 equally skilled riders and the Vic doesn't have the power stock to keep up. Sure you can spend $1200 to make it "as quick" (again rider dependent) as a stock Wing and that's cool that a Twin can do that. And it's not that much smaller of a Twin it is after all 1771cc's to the GoldWings 1832cc's.
Again we can brand bash all we want but the spec sheet doesn't lie the more powerful bike with about the same handling with equal riders and it's pretty easy to see the outcome. I love them both dearly, I really do and for me they feel very very similar... | |
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| PhantomX - 2013-12-21 1:01 AM
So there are some really good deals out there for end of year and my Vision is coming up to the end of the warranty period. I really love the Vision and I love the Blue CCT as well. I found one for $18,9k.
I was curious if any have ridden one and what there thoughts were. Does it handle the same as the Vision? Comfort? I like the idea of all that extra storage and more passenger room, adjustable passenger pegs, etc. Of course the power windscreen and amazing looks of the Vision are hard to pass up too. This is the longest I've ever kept any one bike, it'll be 2 years in February. So far it's been trouble free for the most part save for the occasional drop out of 2nd gear under hard acceleration (maybe I didn't kick up hard enough) and the ABS light comes on now and again but I think that's a dirty sensor. I would just hate for those to turn expensive as the warranty runs out.
My other option is to see if you can purchase the extended warranty, I know most manufacturers you can if the bike is still under the factory warranty.
Would like to hear what you all think? Or upgrade to the red 2013 Vision that I absolutely love but damn that blue CCT is gorgeous too!
Before you decide to change bikes due to warranty,,,,,,,what would the warranty cover that MIGHT need covered? Now compare that total to the amount out of pocket for the new ride or extended warranty. The Vision is pretty bullet proof on the engine and drivetrain. It is all math...... | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Good math too, not fuzzy math. I've got my monies worth and never batted an eye when the warranty ran out. The only thing that I need to change out is the rear shock at this point and get my leather seat. | |
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Jasper, MO | PhantomX - 2013-12-30 2:22 PM
yes the ground clearance can be a bit to work around but it's not that much shorter than the Vision and if you take the right line and right speed you won't be dragging it that much. I also am a former sport bike rider and racer (600's) and also owned 2 ZX14's, Busa's, 600's, BMW's and the list goes on and I can hustle either bike through the twisties at about the same pace, edge to the wing because it simply has more power. If you were to time trial each on a track the wing would beat it, it simply has way more power stock vs stock and the minor difference it may loose in a corner in clearance (and its probably an inch or two) it more than makes up for in torque and pulling power. The Wing simply has power everywhere, I know I ride them both, currently and my F6B is even better, more clearance, lower motor, less top heavy, feels like a toy and you can sling it around quite handily.
At the end of the day it's the skill of the rider that determines the victor but 2 equally skilled riders and the Vic doesn't have the power stock to keep up. Sure you can spend $1200 to make it "as quick" (again rider dependent) as a stock Wing and that's cool that a Twin can do that. And it's not that much smaller of a Twin it is after all 1771cc's to the GoldWings 1832cc's.
Again we can brand bash all we want but the spec sheet doesn't lie the more powerful bike with about the same handling with equal riders and it's pretty easy to see the outcome. I love them both dearly, I really do and for me they feel very very similar...
Who is "bashing"? I've already said I like the Hondas. I'm a former Goldwing owner myself, and still have two other Hondas. I'm just reporting real world experiences, which do not necessarily align with magazine statistics and reporting. There is more to the story than statistical vertical ground clearance differences and peak reported horsepower and torque numbers. There are real world factors such as lean angle, gearing differences, and engine speeds vs road speeds, and actual rear wheel power vs advertised power (driveline losses and gearing--the GW is most efficient in 4th gear and the Vision is most efficient in 5th gear).
When we made the last trip to the "Dragon", my Vision was 100% stock-- no Lloydz upgrades yet at that time. The stock Vision has plenty of power to keep up at the low speeds of the "Dragon", and I was often backing off to keep from running over the Goldwing in front of me. He was laying it over as far as possible, grinding down in nearly every turn, while the Vision had clearance to spare. He is a skilled rider, as good as myself. The difference is the cornering clearance. It is more than the "spec sheets" might make it seem. That wide flat six motor and its stock engine guard find the ground much sooner than the floorboards of the narrow engined Vision does. That's a fact, not theory. I will say that the Goldwing is easier to "hang off of" than the Vision, due to the mid-controls, if you are both riding to that extreme. So is my old Sport Cruiser for that matter, for the same reason--mid controls. In the case I cited on the "Dragon", all four bikes were riding double. The Goldwings were grinding down, the Vision wasn't, and the couple on the ZX14 didn't have the cornering experience needed to keep up with the "luxury barges" in the corners. BTW, after that trip, the ZX14 owner traded it in on a Goldwing. The ZX14 seemed to be lacking in comfort and luggage capacity for a 2500 mile trip ( he hauled the ZX14 to Deals Gap, and rejoined us there for riding in the area), and he was sufficiently impressed by the handling of the "luxury barges".
Now, as far as ultimate straight line power comparisons between the GL1800 Goldwing and the Vision, I have in my hand a receipt for the mods done to my Vision that comes to a total, including parts, labor, and tax, of $1065.78, and it was done by one of the top Victory tuners in the USA, a man well known on these forums. Prices have increased since then. The resulting real world power is more than that of a GL1800 Goldwing, and I have the timeslips to prove it. Again the fellow on the Goldwing is a top notch rider and has many dragstrip trophies to prove it, some gained with the Goldwing in question. He has won 1st place a couple of times at the all-bike drags with that Goldwing, against some very fast bikes. He's good. If anything, he is a better rider than myself. His 60 foot times show it too (1.70s to my 1.80s). My Vision is still faster than his Goldwing, by about 3/10ths and 4 MPH on any given day. He has likely spent more money on plasti-chrome decorations for his Goldwing than I spent on performance upgrades for the Vision. He still has a 9.90 class Suzuki, but these days gets more enjoyment out of going to the dragstrip and beating everybody with his Goldwing. He doesn't have to haul it to the track or carry tools and race gas, and it's fun watching those "fast bikes" try to figure out why they are getting beaten to the end of the track (rider skill).
Before the upgrades, in 5th gear passing maneuvers, the 100% stock Vision was a dead even match for the Goldwing from 50 to 100 MPH. The GW would begin to pull away after 100 MPH. Since the upgrades, the Vision walks away from the Goldwing in the same scenerio, and really starts to pull a big lead after about 115 MPH. The Goldwing is done by 120, unless there is a tailwind, then it gains a little more, but it will never see 130 as verified by a GPS. The GW speedometer claims as much as 134 MPH, but the GPS says otherwise. Subtract 10. The Vision has at least 10 MPH more top end speed than the Goldwing in any situation now, in the real world (not exactly sure just how much--he has the GPS and can't keep up). The stock Vision speed limiter restricted it to 120 MPH, no matter which way the wind was blowing, GPS verified. Mine isn't restricted anymore. My particular Vison's speedometer is amazingly accurate according to the GPS, and I 've seen 135+ MPH on it. The GW was quite a ways behind by then.
The statement that the Goldwing "simply has power everywhere" implies that the Vision doesn't. However, if you look at the dyno charts for the Goldwing and a Lloydz cammed Vision, you will find that the Victory V-Twin actually has a powerband that is wider than that of the Goldwing (the GW peaks at 5500 to 5580 RPM depending on the year model, and the Victory peaks at 5750 with the VM1 cams) and the Victory has more rear-wheel torque than the Honda, and it lasts over a wider range, and most importantly, has more average torque over the range of RPMs seen when flogging through the gears. That is why it is quicker through the quarter mile. A lot of the difference in perception is due to the smooth even firing pulses of the six cylinder Honda vs the uneven firing pulses of the V-Twin, especially down low. Add to that the fact that the Honda is geared lower in 1st gear than the Victory, which makes it "feel more powerful" at low speeds. That fact also helps the GW "lug down" to a lower speed than the Vision in 1st gear. The GW is moving 4.3% slower MPH at any given RPM than the Victory when both are in 1st gear. Perception isn't reality. Reality is taking two bikes out on the road or dragstrip and doing dragstrip runs or roll-on tests in real time. The cammed Vision wins both the drag race and the roll-on contest. Not by a lot, but by a clear margin. BTW, the scales put his Goldwing and rider at 1120 pounds and my Vision and myself at 1100 pounds. Not enough difference to really matter.
Theories, stats, and magazine articles are one thing. The real world is another.
Rider skill is certainly a factor, as the folks on the ZX14 found out. Lots of power doesn't mean much if you don't know how to take a fast line through a tight corner. He's learning. He has been following us "old guys".
I've already agreed that the Hondas are great bikes too. Different strokes for different folks. I'll get the chance to take an F6B out for a test ride one of these days. It will be interesting to see how it performs next to a Goldwing and a Vision in the real world. Never know, I might want one.
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Clinton, CT | I kinda wondered the same thing... After riding the 2013 Vision for a bit then testing out a CCT at a Demo Day a few months back, no doubt I am on the right bike.
I wouldn't mind the added side-bag capacity but that is where it ends. The Vision is a much better handling, better riding and better fit overall (for me).
As for a GW, I was never comfortable on one due to the more upright (European-style) riding position with your legs "under" you. Fine machine to be sure, but not comfortable for me.
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Glendale, AZ United States | rdbudd - 2013-12-30 5:08 PM
PhantomX - 2013-12-30 2:22 PM
yes the ground clearance can be a bit to work around but it's not that much shorter than the Vision and if you take the right line and right speed you won't be dragging it that much. I also am a former sport bike rider and racer (600's) and also owned 2 ZX14's, Busa's, 600's, BMW's and the list goes on and I can hustle either bike through the twisties at about the same pace, edge to the wing because it simply has more power. If you were to time trial each on a track the wing would beat it, it simply has way more power stock vs stock and the minor difference it may loose in a corner in clearance (and its probably an inch or two) it more than makes up for in torque and pulling power. The Wing simply has power everywhere, I know I ride them both, currently and my F6B is even better, more clearance, lower motor, less top heavy, feels like a toy and you can sling it around quite handily.
At the end of the day it's the skill of the rider that determines the victor but 2 equally skilled riders and the Vic doesn't have the power stock to keep up. Sure you can spend $1200 to make it "as quick" (again rider dependent) as a stock Wing and that's cool that a Twin can do that. And it's not that much smaller of a Twin it is after all 1771cc's to the GoldWings 1832cc's.
Again we can brand bash all we want but the spec sheet doesn't lie the more powerful bike with about the same handling with equal riders and it's pretty easy to see the outcome. I love them both dearly, I really do and for me they feel very very similar...
Who is "bashing"? I've already said I like the Hondas. I'm a former Goldwing owner myself, and still have two other Hondas. I'm just reporting real world experiences, which do not necessarily align with magazine statistics and reporting. There is more to the story than statistical vertical ground clearance differences and peak reported horsepower and torque numbers. There are real world factors such as lean angle, gearing differences, and engine speeds vs road speeds, and actual rear wheel power vs advertised power (driveline losses and gearing--the GW is most efficient in 4th gear and the Vision is most efficient in 5th gear).
When we made the last trip to the "Dragon", my Vision was 100% stock-- no Lloydz upgrades yet at that time. The stock Vision has plenty of power to keep up at the low speeds of the "Dragon", and I was often backing off to keep from running over the Goldwing in front of me. He was laying it over as far as possible, grinding down in nearly every turn, while the Vision had clearance to spare. He is a skilled rider, as good as myself. The difference is the cornering clearance. It is more than the "spec sheets" might make it seem. That wide flat six motor and its stock engine guard find the ground much sooner than the floorboards of the narrow engined Vision does. That's a fact, not theory. I will say that the Goldwing is easier to "hang off of" than the Vision, due to the mid-controls, if you are both riding to that extreme. So is my old Sport Cruiser for that matter, for the same reason--mid controls. In the case I cited on the "Dragon", all four bikes were riding double. The Goldwings were grinding down, the Vision wasn't, and the couple on the ZX14 didn't have the cornering experience needed to keep up with the "luxury barges" in the corners. BTW, after that trip, the ZX14 owner traded it in on a Goldwing. The ZX14 seemed to be lacking in comfort and luggage capacity for a 2500 mile trip ( he hauled the ZX14 to Deals Gap, and rejoined us there for riding in the area), and he was sufficiently impressed by the handling of the "luxury barges".
Now, as far as ultimate straight line power comparisons between the GL1800 Goldwing and the Vision, I have in my hand a receipt for the mods done to my Vision that comes to a total, including parts, labor, and tax, of $1065.78, and it was done by one of the top Victory tuners in the USA, a man well known on these forums. Prices have increased since then. The resulting real world power is more than that of a GL1800 Goldwing, and I have the timeslips to prove it. Again the fellow on the Goldwing is a top notch rider and has many dragstrip trophies to prove it, some gained with the Goldwing in question. He has won 1st place a couple of times at the all-bike drags with that Goldwing, against some very fast bikes. He's good. If anything, he is a better rider than myself. His 60 foot times show it too (1.70s to my 1.80s). My Vision is still faster than his Goldwing, by about 3/10ths and 4 MPH on any given day. He has likely spent more money on plasti-chrome decorations for his Goldwing than I spent on performance upgrades for the Vision. He still has a 9.90 class Suzuki, but these days gets more enjoyment out of going to the dragstrip and beating everybody with his Goldwing. He doesn't have to haul it to the track or carry tools and race gas, and it's fun watching those "fast bikes" try to figure out why they are getting beaten to the end of the track (rider skill).
Before the upgrades, in 5th gear passing maneuvers, the 100% stock Vision was a dead even match for the Goldwing from 50 to 100 MPH. The GW would begin to pull away after 100 MPH. Since the upgrades, the Vision walks away from the Goldwing in the same scenerio, and really starts to pull a big lead after about 115 MPH. The Goldwing is done by 120, unless there is a tailwind, then it gains a little more, but it will never see 130 as verified by a GPS. The GW speedometer claims as much as 134 MPH, but the GPS says otherwise. Subtract 10. The Vision has at least 10 MPH more top end speed than the Goldwing in any situation now, in the real world (not exactly sure just how much--he has the GPS and can't keep up). The stock Vision speed limiter restricted it to 120 MPH, no matter which way the wind was blowing, GPS verified. Mine isn't restricted anymore. My particular Vison's speedometer is amazingly accurate according to the GPS, and I 've seen 135+ MPH on it. The GW was quite a ways behind by then.
The statement that the Goldwing "simply has power everywhere" implies that the Vision doesn't. However, if you look at the dyno charts for the Goldwing and a Lloydz cammed Vision, you will find that the Victory V-Twin actually has a powerband that is wider than that of the Goldwing (the GW peaks at 5500 to 5580 RPM depending on the year model, and the Victory peaks at 5750 with the VM1 cams) and the Victory has more rear-wheel torque than the Honda, and it lasts over a wider range, and most importantly, has more average torque over the range of RPMs seen when flogging through the gears. That is why it is quicker through the quarter mile. A lot of the difference in perception is due to the smooth even firing pulses of the six cylinder Honda vs the uneven firing pulses of the V-Twin, especially down low. Add to that the fact that the Honda is geared lower in 1st gear than the Victory, which makes it "feel more powerful" at low speeds. That fact also helps the GW "lug down" to a lower speed than the Vision in 1st gear. The GW is moving 4.3% slower MPH at any given RPM than the Victory when both are in 1st gear. Perception isn't reality. Reality is taking two bikes out on the road or dragstrip and doing dragstrip runs or roll-on tests in real time. The cammed Vision wins both the drag race and the roll-on contest. Not by a lot, but by a clear margin. BTW, the scales put his Goldwing and rider at 1120 pounds and my Vision and myself at 1100 pounds. Not enough difference to really matter.
Theories, stats, and magazine articles are one thing. The real world is another.
Rider skill is certainly a factor, as the folks on the ZX14 found out. Lots of power doesn't mean much if you don't know how to take a fast line through a tight corner. He's learning. He has been following us "old guys".
I've already agreed that the Hondas are great bikes too. Different strokes for different folks. I'll get the chance to take an F6B out for a test ride one of these days. It will be interesting to see how it performs next to a Goldwing and a Vision in the real world. Never know, I might want one.
Ronnie
I agree in that "real world" is better as opposed to magazine articles. With that being said, I have not read any formal unbiased professional reviews on the overall impression of the Vison vs Goldwing. If anybody has a link that would be much appreciated. I love my Vision a great deal, but I have no brand loyalty to speak of. For a Vtwin, I love the power band of the 106 and don't have an issue with not having enough passing power at speed on the highway, which has been the case with Vtwins since day one. I would venture to say the 106 is the best Vtwin production motor to date. I would concede the powerplant on the Goldwing is a better all around "long distance touring" motor, which has solidified it's position in the long distance touring community as being virtually "bullet proof."
Speaking of real world, I have an 09 stock Vision and my buddy has a 2012 stock Goldwing and the Goldwing is the quicker bike of the two based on my own experience with riding his Goldwing. It is interesting to compare rider impressions and real world performance numbers, but at the end of the day and no matter how you slice it, we are dealing with two "heavy weight" long distance touring pack camels that will not be seeing a Laguna Seca track day anytime soon unless it's for ***** and giggles. Irregardless of engine modifications both bikes have absolutely no shot in hell from a performance and handling standpoint with any sports touring bike out there or the BMW GTL keeping rider skills set in mind. Peace. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | im sorry but i gotta say this.. its silly as hell when a touring motorcycle comparison begins with 1/4 mile numbers and who is faster etc.. its like saying my Dodge mini van is faster than your toyota mini van.. Touring motorcycles are the "mini vans" of the motorcycle world. Or station wagon depending on how you want to label it.. When i bought my vision(s) 1/4 mile numbers weren't even a thoughts. i went from a 125ci cruiser to a vision.. guess which one was faster.. NOT the vision.. but i didnt buy a "mini van" for top speed. i bought it for comfort (captains chair) and lockable storage, plus radio etc etc etc. if i wanted to buy a Fast bike or a red light to red light machine. i wouldn't of purchased motorcycle that belongs in the station wagon / mini van category ... if you want pure speed .. get a bike designed for it.. http://images.truckinweb.com/brandpages/dodge/0608tr_01_z+2003_... | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Street Eagle - 2013-12-31 7:27 AM
Just to through a little fun into the discussion. In the car world there are also those that want rolling luxury and the need for speed
http://www.bentleymotors.com/models/new_flying_spur/[/QUO
neither of which applies to the vision... ?? the vision while a great bike, is Not luxurious Nor fast...
Its well designed, & Functional. its also not the most state of the art either.. but its not $30-$40K ... it is what it is and nothing more...
Examples. Brembo brakes, LED headlamps and fog lamps, etc etc
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#!...
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New Bohemia, VA | I see the Vision on target for ride and comfort. To add all the state of the art extrenous feature would make it a luxury motorcycle that is unmatched on the planet. I'm glad the built the Bentley of bikes for us common folk...
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Jasper, MO | Street Eagle - 2013-12-31 7:27 AM
Just to through a little fun into the discussion. In the car world there are also those that want rolling luxury and the need for speed
http://www.bentleymotors.com/models/new_flying_spur/
There you go. If it weren't so, then why did the subject of which bike is faster even come up? Why do people buy an F6B "because it has power everywhere"? Why do people do performance upgrades to their bikes, regardless of brand?
Answer: Some of us like to go fast once in a while, even if "fast" is a relative term in the motorcycling world. Some of us want class leading performance relative to the heavyweight luxury touring bike category. The Goldwing provides it, the Vision is a close second in stock (heavily EPA restricted) form, and becomes the class performance leader with a bit of Lloydz magic dust sprinkled on it (EPA restrictions removed).
Some of us old guys used to be young guys who were very competitive riders when we rode sport bikes. Just because we have "graduated" to luxury touring bikes does not mean that the urge to twist the throttle to see who is faster went away. We still like to have fun. Some of that fun includes seeing who is faster--even on our luxury barges.
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2013-12-31 11:25 AM
Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind.
i raced a lawn mower once..? I was walking .. um ok? | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2013-12-31 11:25 AM
Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind.
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Jasper, MO | Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 11:55 AM
varyder - 2013-12-31 11:25 AM
Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind.
i raced a lawn mower once..? I was walking .. um ok?
You just picked the wrong lawn mower to challenge. My racing mower had a Suzuki GS1100 engine and pulled a weight sled down a dirt track considerably faster than walking speeds. It had wheelie bars to keep it from flipping over backwards, and weight brackets to adjust the 1000 pound total weight for track conditions.
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Glendale, AZ United States | Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 1:22 AM
im sorry but i gotta say this.. its silly as hell when a touring motorcycle comparison begins with 1/4 mile numbers and who is faster etc.. its like saying my Dodge mini van is faster than your toyota mini van.. Touring motorcycles are the "mini vans" of the motorcycle world. Or station wagon depending on how you want to label it.. When i bought my vision(s) 1/4 mile numbers weren't even a thoughts. i went from a 125ci cruiser to a vision.. guess which one was faster.. NOT the vision.. but i didnt buy a "mini van" for top speed. i bought it for comfort (captains chair) and lockable storage, plus radio etc etc etc. if i wanted to buy a Fast bike or a red light to red light machine. i wouldn't of purchased motorcycle that belongs in the station wagon / mini van category ... if you want pure speed .. get a bike designed for it.. http://images.truckinweb.com/brandpages/dodge/0608tr_01_z+2003_cust...
My thoughts exactly. It would be like if I took my brother's 1974 shovel head and turned the bike into a long distance tourer instead of a bar hopper. Can it be done? Most likely with some TLC and deep pockets, but why. Certainly to each his own and spend it if you got it, but from my standpoint I have a long distance pack camel and will not pump my camel full of steroids and full throttle energy drinks prior to my desert trip for fear of being stranded in the middle of nowhere if I can help it. | |
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New Bohemia, VA | There's a dude on the Iron Butt circuit who mod his Sportster to run the long distance. Some of the wingers have so many gadgets on their bike it's hard to tell if its a motorcycle or a utility vehicle on two wheels. Whatever spins your wheels. I've got fringe on the floorboard now and the bike runs smoother and faster... ahhhhhhh | |
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Glendale, AZ United States | varyder - 2013-12-31 10:25 AM
Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind.
I'm sure you blew him out of the hole, but those freaking Altimas have some pep in em. I at least hope we got the Camry's or Accords covered. Don't you hate that when you are trying to pass someone on a two lane highway and the dingle berry with his lifted truck and three inches of furry you know where stomps on the gas as you are passing? LOL! | |
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Glendale, AZ United States | rdbudd - 2013-12-31 11:28 AM
Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 11:55 AM
varyder - 2013-12-31 11:25 AM
Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind.
i raced a lawn mower once..? I was walking .. um ok?
You just picked the wrong lawn mower to challenge. My racing mower had a Suzuki GS1100 engine and pulled a weight sled down a dirt track considerably faster than walking speeds. It had wheelie bars to keep it from flipping over backwards, and weight brackets to adjust the 1000 pound total weight for track conditions.
Ronnie
I got a Craftsman riding tractor mower with the upgraded Kohler engine that supposedly has like 25 horsepower. Does that count? Now if I only could keep the tires inflated in between mowing I would be in good shape. LOL! | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Vladezip - 2013-12-31 2:45 PM varyder - 2013-12-31 10:25 AM Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind. I'm sure you blew him out of the hole, but those freaking Altimas have some pep in em. I at least hope we got the Camry's or Accords covered. Don't you hate that when you are trying to pass someone on a two lane highway and the dingle berry with his lifted truck and three inches of furry you know where stomps on the gas as you are passing? LOL! Apparently I put a knot in his drawers, twice. The first time I had just got on I-95 and rolled into the hammer lane and he was coming up behind me. So I scooted on down the road and I didn't see him for a few miles and then there he was. There was a bottle neck but I got threw it with ease and headed on down and wasn't thinking nothing of it. Then I see him in the opening behind me probably doing about 100, don't try to figure how I could guess that. I ease over in the right lane since I was getting off soon. After he gets in front of me, he slows to the flow. I guess he showed me...lol | |
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Jasper, MO | Vladezip - 2013-12-31 1:53 PM
rdbudd - 2013-12-31 11:28 AM
Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 11:55 AM
varyder - 2013-12-31 11:25 AM
Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind.
i raced a lawn mower once..? I was walking .. um ok?
You just picked the wrong lawn mower to challenge. My racing mower had a Suzuki GS1100 engine and pulled a weight sled down a dirt track considerably faster than walking speeds. It had wheelie bars to keep it from flipping over backwards, and weight brackets to adjust the 1000 pound total weight for track conditions.
Ronnie
I got a Craftsman riding tractor mower with the upgraded Kohler engine that supposedly has like 25 horsepower. Does that count? Now if I only could keep the tires inflated in between mowing I would be in good shape. LOL!
It does. There are classes for stock block mowers to compete in. The operative words being "stock block"...........
I know ya'll are just funning me, but some of us old guys just can't help racing whatever we have, be it boats, mowers, cars , or even our touring motorcycles. I could never afford the big racing tractors, and my stock farm tractors weren't competitive, even in the "farm stock" class (none of the competitive ones really are stock) so I built one for the 1000 pound mower class, out of an old Murray riding mower. Lots of fun, and a wild ride at times.
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Glendale, AZ United States | varyder - 2013-12-31 12:33 PM
There's a dude on the Iron Butt circuit who mod his Sportster to run the long distance. Some of the wingers have so many gadgets on their bike it's hard to tell if its a motorcycle or a utility vehicle on two wheels. Whatever spins your wheels. I've got fringe on the floorboard now and the bike runs smoother and faster... ahhhhhhh
I think they did an interview with the sporty guy that wanted to do something different, but I think that was last year. From a Victory standpoint they had a gal at this year's rally on a 08 Vision and that was all. She had a very strong showing after the first leg of the rally, but those guys are freaking nuts!!!! I love logging on the miles like the next guy, but would have to quit my job and practice for a year before being involved with the full bore IBA rally. I think it's one of those at least once in a lifetime must DOs, but when the runner up this year freaking ate **** for two years in a row previously by most likely falling asleep you have to draw the line somewhere or hope they don't drug test at work during that time. LOL. | |
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Glendale, AZ United States | varyder - 2013-12-31 1:35 PM
Vladezip - 2013-12-31 2:45 PM varyder - 2013-12-31 10:25 AM Yeah, I was racing a Nissan Ultima just this morning, then I finally let him take me since he was so bent to do... oh, wait, I'm bone stock and that was a car, never mind. I'm sure you blew him out of the hole, but those freaking Altimas have some pep in em. I at least hope we got the Camry's or Accords covered. Don't you hate that when you are trying to pass someone on a two lane highway and the dingle berry with his lifted truck and three inches of furry you know where stomps on the gas as you are passing? LOL! Apparently I put a knot in his drawers, twice.? The first time I had just got on I-95 and rolled into the hammer lane and he was coming up behind me.? So I scooted on down the road and I didn't see him for a few miles and then there he was.? There was a bottle neck but I got threw it with ease and headed on down and wasn't thinking nothing of it.? Then I see him in the opening behind me probably doing about 100, don't?try to figure how I could guess that.??I ease over in the right lane since?I was getting off soon.? After he gets in front of me, he slows to the flow.? I guess he showed me...lol
Yeah he showed you for sure! He must of had his girlfriend in the car or just at a bowl of warm d**** and wanted some cheese and wine with that. LOL. | |
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Jasper, MO | Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 6:23 PM
im in my garage right now connecting the Lloyds NOS kit to my craftsman snow blower. The Neighbor next to me thinks his is faster than mine.. I dont care if its only meant to blow snow.. i will NOT have the neighbor with Brand X claim Superiority over my fragile male ego.. Cause what will the other neighbors think knowing that my snow blower is No longer the fastest on the block..?. I can't have this... Come spring, im going to dyno my snow blower to have Proof that mine is better than his! I'll show him !! =) lol
You obviously don't "get it". It isn't about fragile male egos, nor about who has the best dyno chart for bragging rights. Neither mean anything.
It would be about lining the two snow blowers up and seeing which one cleared a path to the end of the drive first --just for the hell of it. Then, we would have beer together and laugh about it. It's all about fun--not egos. The closer the race, the more fun it is. It doesn't matter who wins.
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Pittsburgh, PA | rdbudd - 2013-12-31 9:53 PM
Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 6:23 PM
im in my garage right now connecting the Lloyds NOS kit to my craftsman snow blower. The Neighbor next to me thinks his is faster than mine.. I dont care if its only meant to blow snow.. i will NOT have the neighbor with Brand X claim Superiority over my fragile male ego.. Cause what will the other neighbors think knowing that my snow blower is No longer the fastest on the block..?. I can't have this... Come spring, im going to dyno my snow blower to have Proof that mine is better than his! I'll show him !! =) lol
You obviously don't "get it". It isn't about fragile male egos, nor about who has the best dyno chart for bragging rights. Neither mean anything.
It would be about lining the two snow blowers up and seeing which one cleared a path to the end of the drive first --just for the hell of it. Then, we would have beer together and laugh about it. It's all about fun--not egos. The closer the race, the more fun it is. It doesn't matter who wins.
Ronnie
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Land O Lakes, FL | Wow this thread went to hell in a handbasket lol...
At the end of the day a lot of us like shit that goes fast, or making something that isn't faster. Me I'm speed junkie, that's why I owned a ZX14 for a few years. But I totally agree with Ronnie's post, even though we graduated to luxo barges we still have the need for speed on occassion, it's never going away neither is the useless and utterly pointless banter arguing what's faster on the internet. Because hey it's still fun regardless... | |
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Clinton, CT | PhantomX - 2014-01-01 12:11 PM
Wow this thread went to hell in a handbasket lol...
At the end of the day a lot of us like shit that goes fast, or making something that isn't faster. Me I'm speed junkie, that's why I owned a ZX14 for a few years. But I totally agree with Ronnie's post, even though we graduated to luxo barges we still have the need for speed on occassion, it's never going away neither is the useless and utterly pointless banter arguing what's faster on the internet. Because hey it's still fun regardless...
LOL! 
I guess that's why we come here, to argue and bitch but it's all fun!
As for the speed junkie- guilty as charged; That's why I kept my Concours 14 as a stablemate for the Vision!
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Jasper, MO | Arkainzeye - 2014-01-01 9:04 AM
rdbudd - 2013-12-31 9:53 PM
Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 6:23 PM
im in my garage right now connecting the Lloyds NOS kit to my craftsman snow blower. The Neighbor next to me thinks his is faster than mine.. I dont care if its only meant to blow snow.. i will NOT have the neighbor with Brand X claim Superiority over my fragile male ego.. Cause what will the other neighbors think knowing that my snow blower is No longer the fastest on the block..?. I can't have this... Come spring, im going to dyno my snow blower to have Proof that mine is better than his! I'll show him !! =) lol
You obviously don't "get it". It isn't about fragile male egos, nor about who has the best dyno chart for bragging rights. Neither mean anything.
It would be about lining the two snow blowers up and seeing which one cleared a path to the end of the drive first --just for the hell of it. Then, we would have beer together and laugh about it. It's all about fun--not egos. The closer the race, the more fun it is. It doesn't matter who wins.
Ronnie
you do know i was JOKING about the ego thing right?? lol !!
I know that you entered the discussion with the statement of "I'm sorry but I gotta say this--it's silly as hell when a touring motorcycle comparision begins with 1/4 mile numbers and who is faster, etc". Then you went on to compare them to minivans, and insinuated that racing a Vision and a Goldwing would be as silly as racing minivans, and would only be done due to egos. Then you try to compare a couple of guys racing their touring bikes as being equal to two neighbors with ego problems and snow blowers.
I get the distinct impression that you think everything is about egos, and that anyone wanting to have fun with their machines has an ego problem.
You obviously don't "get it", and probably have an ego problem, since you worry about it so much.
To the point of the original question, I've ridden both the Vision and the CCT a fair bit. I also strongly considered getting a CCT for the larger storage capacity. I don't think you could go wrong with either bike, but at the end of the day, we like the Vision better for the wind managment and comfort. Both bikes are equal on power in the stock form. My cammed Vision outruns the stock CCT, especially after 90 - 100 MPH is reached. The CCT "feels quicker" at low speeds, but in side-by-side roll-on testing, really isn't. Having ridden all three (GW, CCT, and Vision), I would say that the CCT would be a close match for the GW in "most" riding situations. The stock rev-limiter of the Victory holds it back when flogging through the gears, forcing "short shifts", and the GW has an advantage because of that. A cammed Victory 106 with an increased rev-limit is more than a match for the GW, even though the GW has 101cc more displacement, 3 times as many cylinders, and 50% more valves. The GW is very, very smooth though, and a fine ride.
If I were to ever get a CCT, it would get Lloydz cams and a rev-limit increase too. You never know, might want to pass a minivan.
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rdbudd - 2013-12-31 9:53 PM
Arkainzeye - 2013-12-31 6:23 PM
im in my garage right now connecting the Lloyds NOS kit to my craftsman snow blower. The Neighbor next to me thinks his is faster than mine.. I dont care if its only meant to blow snow.. i will NOT have the neighbor with Brand X claim Superiority over my fragile male ego.. Cause what will the other neighbors think knowing that my snow blower is No longer the fastest on the block..?. I can't have this... Come spring, im going to dyno my snow blower to have Proof that mine is better than his! I'll show him !! =) lol
You obviously don't "get it". It isn't about fragile male egos, nor about who has the best dyno chart for bragging rights. Neither mean anything.
It would be about lining the two snow blowers up and seeing which one cleared a path to the end of the drive first --just for the hell of it. Then, we would have beer together and laugh about it. It's all about fun--not egos. The closer the race, the more fun it is. It doesn't matter who wins.
Ronnie
you do know i was JOKING about the ego thing right?? lol !!
I know that you entered the discussion with the statement of "I'm sorry but I gotta say this--it's silly as hell when a touring motorcycle comparision begins with 1/4 mile numbers and who is faster, etc". Then you went on to compare them to minivans, and insinuated that racing a Vision and a Goldwing would be as silly as racing minivans, and would only be done due to egos. Then you try to compare a couple of guys racing their touring bikes as being equal to two neighbors with ego problems and snow blowers.
I get the distinct impression that you think everything is about egos, and that anyone wanting to have fun with their machines has an ego problem.
You obviously don't "get it", and probably have an ego problem, since you worry about it so much.
To the point of the original question, I've ridden both the Vision and the CCT a fair bit. I also strongly considered getting a CCT for the larger storage capacity. I don't think you could go wrong with either bike, but at the end of the day, we like the Vision better for the wind managment and comfort. Both bikes are equal on power in the stock form. My cammed Vision outruns the stock CCT, especially after 90 - 100 MPH is reached. The CCT "feels quicker" at low speeds, but in side-by-side roll-on testing, really isn't. Having ridden all three (GW, CCT, and Vision), I would say that the CCT would be a close match for the GW in "most" riding situations. The stock rev-limiter of the Victory holds it back when flogging through the gears, forcing "short shifts", and the GW has an advantage because of that. A cammed Victory 106 with an increased rev-limit is more than a match for the GW, even though the GW has 101cc more displacement, 3 times as many cylinders, and 50% more valves. The GW is very, very smooth though, and a fine ride.
If I were to ever get a CCT, it would get Lloydz cams and a rev-limit increase too. You never know, might want to pass a minivan.
Ronnie
I think truly the only way to get a feel and understanding is to either do a demo ride and compare the two side by side or take the CCT out for the day. I think with the CCT Victory was trying to appeal to a larger segment of the population that ride by toning down the styling a bit as well as a larger hard bags. I don't know what all of you guys take out on multiple day rides, but for me another pair of pants, couple pair of socks, three Tshirts and I'm good for the week so ample room in the Vision for storage. I like a frame-mounted front fairing and the fully adjustable windshield on the Vision. You can really lean her over and the Vision handles like a bike half the size. Either way, I think you will be happy with either bike. | |
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| PhantomX - 2013-12-21 1:01 AM So there are some really good deals out there for end of year and my Vision is coming up to the end of the warranty period. I really love the Vision and I love the Blue CCT as well. I found one for $18,9k. I was curious if any have ridden one and what there thoughts were. Does it handle the same as the Vision? Comfort? I like the idea of all that extra storage and more passenger room, adjustable passenger pegs, etc. Of course the power windscreen and amazing looks of the Vision are hard to pass up too. This is the longest I've ever kept any one bike, it'll be 2 years in February. So far it's been trouble free for the most part save for the occasional drop out of 2nd gear under hard acceleration (maybe I didn't kick up hard enough) and the ABS light comes on now and again but I think that's a dirty sensor. I would just hate for those to turn expensive as the warranty runs out. My other option is to see if you can purchase the extended warranty, I know most manufacturers you can if the bike is still under the factory warranty. Would like to hear what you all think? Or upgrade to the red 2013 Vision that I absolutely love but damn that blue CCT is gorgeous too! WHY would you ask us? Your the one that will be stuck with the choice. If we all jump of a bridge you going to join us? Do as you want not what any of say. | |
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Glendale, AZ United States | johnnyvision - 2014-01-05 5:29 PM
PhantomX - 2013-12-21 1:01 AM So there are some really good deals out there for end of year and my Vision is coming up to the end of the warranty period. I really love the Vision and I love the Blue CCT as well. I found one for $18,9k. I was curious if any have ridden one and what there thoughts were. Does it handle the same as the Vision? Comfort? I like the idea of all that extra storage and more passenger room, adjustable passenger pegs, etc. Of course the power windscreen and amazing looks of the Vision are hard to pass up too. This is the longest I've ever kept any one bike, it'll be 2 years in February. So far it's been trouble free for the most part save for the occasional drop out of 2nd gear under hard acceleration (maybe I didn't kick up hard enough) and the ABS light comes on now and again but I think that's a dirty sensor. I would just hate for those to turn expensive as the warranty runs out. My other option is to see if you can purchase the extended warranty, I know most manufacturers you can if the bike is still under the factory warranty. Would like to hear what you all think? Or upgrade to the red 2013 Vision that I absolutely love but damn that blue CCT is gorgeous too! WHY would you ask us? Your the one that will be stuck with the choice. If we all jump of a bridge you going to join us? Do as you want not what any of say.
Over the years I have always bought used and "knocking on wood" I have had good success thus far by making sure I take my time for the right deal to come along and exactly what I am looking for. Even though motorcycling is by far the most serious hobby I have, I just can't see myself spending 20K for a car much less a motorcycle. I'm also a teacher, which should explain my financial situation to everybody. Spend it if you got it and I'm sure you will be happy with either purchase, but I just can't see the rationale from a financial standpoint buying new every two years with all the depreciation involved. I have every intention of putting well over 100K miles on my Vision just like my K1200LT that I sold prior to purchasing the Vision and we will see what happens. Vlad.
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