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Marietta, GA | Hi y'all
Two questions about the vision.
First, does the clunk into first gear EVER go away, or do you just get used to it?
Second, much more pressing - after a good ride the other day, lots of twisties and about 100 miles of superslab, when i was slowing to a stop, i was having trouble shifting into first gear. It sounded like a rachet and just wouldn't lock into first when i was down shifting to a stop light. It went in fine when i came to a full stop. it only happened 2 times - other times it was fine.
Is this common after riding the vision hard? Is it indicative of a transmission problem? Oil problem? or Clutch problem. The bike only has has about 4500 miles on it.
Thanks
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New Bohemia, VA | what clunk?  on the downshift, I'm not sure why you would ever want to shift into 1st while still rollling. However, mine will go into first and I can make it "ratchet" at a stop. I've downshifted into first going above 25 and you can feel it go in hard, I'll quickly bump it back up to second. Also, shifting does become notchy for me toward the end of the oil life. I wouldn't lose any sleep unless something worse happens, like losing first.
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Central Maryland | I echo Varyder's comments
1. What "clunk"? Meaning... it's the nature of our beast. 
2. I do also get a 'stuttering", "ratchet" sound as well for the times I have unthinkingly tried to drop it into 1st gear, while decelerating at nominal speed. Don't think we should be doing dat. So don't do dat. 
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Pittsburgh, PA | How many miles is on the current oil ? |
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Marietta, GA | Only about 500 miles. After i posted this, i realized, i haven't checked it since the dealer did my service. |
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New Bohemia, VA | if it ain't spewing or drizzling, you don't really need to check your oil. I would like to say never, but never say never, but I never check my oil between changes. It's always been fine, maybe needing to add a half-quart at change time. No smoke, no leaks, since I finally changed by pressure sensor, and no seepage since I went back to semi-synthetic. (no more clutch slippage either). |
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Central Illinois | The noise you hear when you shift into first is the slop coming out of the top part of the drive belt. It will go away when the belt breaks or when you get a bike with no belt. It is not a problem.
I have never experienced your second issue but I do not ride hard much of the time. I am more or less just a tour rider and don't enjoy pushing hard. |
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CASTRO VALLEY, CA United States | It's the Made in America sound that you're hearing. Japanese bikes haven't figure out how to get their bikes to make that sound. |
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| where in the world did the idea come from that slippery oil would prevent you from shifting into any gear. Oil never gets thick from use it gets gummy from age and heat.
If you couldn't get into first you might not of put enough pressure on the peg.
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Central Maryland | luterdan - 2014-02-24 10:08 AM
Only about 500 miles. After i posted this, i realized, i haven't checked it since the dealer did my service.
varyder - 2014-02-24 3:19 PM
if it ain't spewing or drizzling, you don't really need to check your oil. I would like to say never, but never say never, but I never check my oil between changes. It's always been fine, maybe needing to add a half-quart at change time. No smoke, no leaks, since I finally changed by pressure sensor, and no seepage since I went back to semi-synthetic. (no more clutch slippage either). I do beg do differ about checking oil, especially in this case. One should ALWAYS check their oil level; upon immediate receipt of their motorcycle; from a dealer whom serviced it. Too many horror stories about sloppy dealer work performed.
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| willtill - 2014-02-25 5:15 AM
luterdan - 2014-02-24 10:08 AM
Only about 500 miles. After i posted this, i realized, i haven't checked it since the dealer did my service.
varyder - 2014-02-24 3:19 PM
if it ain't spewing or drizzling, you don't really need to check your oil. I would like to say never, but never say never, but I never check my oil between changes. It's always been fine, maybe needing to add a half-quart at change time. No smoke, no leaks, since I finally changed by pressure sensor, and no seepage since I went back to semi-synthetic. (no more clutch slippage either). ? I do beg do differ about checking oil, especially in this case. One should ALWAYS check their oil level; upon immediate receipt of their motorcycle; from a dealer whom serviced it. Too many horror stories about sloppy dealer work performed. ? AMEN BROTHER...
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New Bohemia, VA | Well, let me put it this way. If I change the oil, I don't check it. Trust, but verify. |
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Central Maryland | varyder - 2014-02-25 11:36 AM
Well, let me put it this way. If I change the oil, I don't check it. Trust, but verify.
Yeppers...I do the same. I know I put in the proper amount. I don't know if the dealer did. |
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Central Illinois | You had better check your own work. If you add exactly 4.5 quarts you may well be high or a bit low. Assumptions made about how much oil drains for a routine change are not perfect. Do you have your bike in exactly the same position as the one they used to give you that spec? I seriously doubt it. You always need to measure at least once after a change. If that one is dead on, maybe you are OK, but I would measure it. |
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Central Maryland | Don't fret... I check |
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Victoria Tx, TX United States | That noise is a Luxury noise only from Victory!! I use Maxima Extra 4 10/40 Synthetic oil.. Now my Tranny is much quiet and shifts easier. Always check your oil level. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Just checking uses oil each time. The Freedom engine will let you know if it's low or needs changing. Clack clack clack.... |
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Central Maryland | So why does Ma Vic recommend a semi-synthetic oil in the first place? Not asking if a full synthetic is better, but why a semi-synthetic? Is there properties or characteristics of a semi-synthetic that are more favorable to the 106 engine, tranny and clutch? |
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Virginia Beach, VA | I see no benefit in regards to using motor oils other than the manufacturers recommended type. If they say Semi Synthetic oil is to be used, use it. The engineers must have a reason for this recommendation. It is probably a happy medium between the requirements of the different parts of our motors. Look at other cycle manufacturers, that use different oils for different sections of their motors. We only use 1 oil, not 2 or 3. Ours is a mixture of both, to cover all parts of our motor requirements. Roll the dice, if you feel like gambling with your motors life and your wallet. |
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Jasper, MO | The bean counters and marketing people probably have more to say about the "recommended factory branded oil" than the engineers.
Lots of people had transmission troubles in the early Victorys when using the "recommended factory branded oil" --troubles that disappeared when another type of oil was used. Personal experience.
Most of those who had troubles were convinced that "only the factory recommended oil was good enough", and that's all they would use. Lemmings, jumping off the cliff together.
I don't buy this "the engineers know best what oil to use" argument. They don't have that much influence.
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Central Maryland | rdbudd - 2014-02-26 1:01 PM
The bean counters and marketing people probably have more to say about the "recommended factory branded oil" than the engineers.
Lots of people had transmission troubles in the early Victorys when using the "recommended factory branded oil" --troubles that disappeared when another type of oil was used. Personal experience.
Most of those who had troubles were convinced that "only the factory recommended oil was good enough", and that's all they would use. Lemmings, jumping off the cliff together.
I don't buy this "the engineers know best what oil to use" argument. They don't have that much influence.
Ronnie If that was true Ronnie, would the bean counters rather recommend a more epensive oil... such as synthetic? More propensity for a profit margin there... |
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Jasper, MO | They are selling a cheaper semi-synthetic blend for the same price as a full synthetic................
Use what you want. I don't care. I went through that early transmission and "Victory recommended oil" saga 14 years ago, and I know what I'm using today.
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Victoria Tx, TX United States | NO WHERE in Victory owners manual does it read. No Synthetics. My opinion is they added Synthetic to improve the their oil. I use 100% Synthetic thru years of looking at motors turndown. And other traits. But use what you are comfortable with. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I learned, in time I hope, to stay with a semi blend. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Haze_Gray - 2014-02-26 8:10 AM
I see no benefit in regards to using motor oils other than the manufacturers recommended type. If they say Semi Synthetic oil is to be used, use it. The engineers must have a reason for this recommendation. It is probably a happy medium between the requirements of the different parts of our motors. Look at other cycle manufacturers, that use different oils for different sections of their motors. We only use 1 oil, not 2 or 3. Ours is a mixture of both, to cover all parts of our motor requirements. Roll the dice, if you feel like gambling with your motors life and your wallet.
saying the engineers have reasons for recommendations.. do you know what those Exact reason are? or are you assuming? The reason i say this is... and let me NOT talk about motorcycles for a second... at my house hold.. my girlfriend has a 07 toyota camry and i have a Honda accord.. both are pieces of $hit ! her car is on the top 20 worst cars lists.. google honda accord transmission problems.. then all the sudden honda changes their transmission fluid !! So the very fluid they RECOMMENDED for use. they now do Not recommend using if you have any old stock left... Keep in mind these are the same engineers that designed the transmission and had the fluid designed/made to a spec.. What happened there? so im sorry i have no blind faith in engineers know best...
another example my vision (2011) was labeled as having a 100,000 mile transmission and i read all these claims on how new and improved it is etc etc .. the very next year they figure they messed up on the torque compensator and they have revised parts for that... so the transmission they bragged big time about they went Ops we were wrong on a few things.. now i fulling understand .. things evolve and improve. but that newly revised transmission didnt even make it one full model year and it had to be Corrected again.... .
so my long winded and pretty boring post point is....Engineers dont anyways know best.... (do i? NOPE) iD HATE to be the engineers that cost honda Millions in faulty engineering... http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/honda-transmission-probl...
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Moncks Corner, SC United States | So you are telling me my 2011 Vision has a tranmission problem that hasn't appeared yet. |
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Central Illinois | It sure sounds that way to me. |
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Central Maryland | Arkainzeye - 2014-02-26 9:58 PM
another example my vision (2011) was labeled as having a 100,000 mile transmission and i read all these claims on how new and improved it is etc etc .. the very next year they figure they messed up on the torque compensator and they have revised parts for that... so the transmission they bragged big time about they went Ops we were wrong on a few things.. now i fulling understand .. things evolve and improve. but that newly revised transmission didnt even make it one full model year and it had to be Corrected again.... .
At least the engine case doesn't need to be split, if the Torque Compensator goes tits up:
So there is the propensity for failure of the 2011 tranny, or what? First time I heard about issues with the torque compensator of the 2011. Guess I need to Google a bit...
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2014-02-27 6:05 AM
Arkainzeye - 2014-02-26 9:58 PM
another example my vision (2011) was labeled as having a 100,000 mile transmission and i read all these claims on how new and improved it is etc etc .. the very next year they figure they messed up on the torque compensator and they have revised parts for that... so the transmission they bragged big time about they went Ops we were wrong on a few things.. now i fulling understand .. things evolve and improve. but that newly revised transmission didnt even make it one full model year and it had to be Corrected again.... .
So there is the propensity for failure of the 2011 tranny, or what? First time I heard about issues with the torque compensator of the 2011. Guess I need to Google a bit...
thanks for the photos. i already looked into it. its about $200 in parts.. From what i read if you dont do anything with it, it doesnt hurt anything.. it just makes your scooter sound like a bucket of bolts... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Jimbo62 - 2014-02-26 9:55 PM
So you are telling me my 2011 Vision has a tranmission problem that hasn't appeared yet.
google it... or look at the microfiche of a 2011 trany and then do the same for a 2012... BOOM.. there you have it.. revised parts on a 1 year old "Already revised" transmission..
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New Bohemia, VA | They should have stayed with the 2008 xmission. No issue in 154,000 miles. |
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| spring washers P/N 7556518 Washer, Flat [Built 8/03/11 and Before] $4.65 each must be the cheapest Vic part ever |
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Pittsburgh, PA | hey whats these parts that i see changed as well for 2012 over 2011 ?
http://parts.polarisind.com/images/VIC/PRIMARYDRV/12VGS.gif
http://www.victorypartsrus.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=230...
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