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| well i thought i had a cure for the right side heat, i took off the heat shields and spent three hours wrapping heat wrap around the header pipes like we used on race cars then i sealed it with ceramic spray header paint . road 3 hours in 100 plus heat and fried my ankle and calf.. i guess it didnt work, ,,... well now do i put the chrome shields on over the wrap or take the wrap off and put it back stock. has anyone else tried something like this ? did it work. tnx, tom |
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Santa Maria CA | I have not tried the exhaust on my vision. I have used it on race engine were we used heat shield around starters and foot box. It work real well to control the heat. Iwould put the heat shields back on over the exhaust rap. it well hell over the stock set up. let us know how that works? |
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| yea i will i guess it kind of held the heat on the pipe. maybe the shields will help. this right side heat is a problem in california desert 100 plus makes a difference. at 70-80 it just bakes your ankle and leg. i guess ill slap the deflectors on the side but dont like the looks. tom |
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Santa Maria CA | tom what part of california are you in? I live in santa maris ca but work in paso robles ca. get real warm there. but heat is not to bad to me. still if the rao works i will try it myself. |
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| i live in springville and also have a place in a.g. at cypess ride golf course. we spend most weekends in a.g. thats the ride i make thru paso.. |
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O'Neill, Nebraska | I'm considering this idea. My Vic dealer in Austin was talking with me the other day and he said they have had great results from doing the following.
They are removing the aluminum Inner Fairing pieces and doing custom metal work on them. They are basically removing about 3/4 inch of the inner metal with a precision saw, buffing it out and then putting them back on the bike. He said that pretty much eliminates the heat issue because it allows more air to flow past the engine, exhaust.
I'm thinking about doing this rather than adding the fairing deflectors because the change is visually unoticeable. |
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Austin, Texas | spursmvp - 2008-08-02 7:13 AM
I'm considering this idea. My Vic dealer in Austin was talking with me the other day and he said they have had great results from doing the following.
They are removing the aluminum Inner Fairing pieces and doing custom metal work on them. They are basically removing about 3/4 inch of the inner metal with a precision saw, buffing it out and then putting them back on the bike. He said that pretty much eliminates the heat issue because it allows more air to flow past the engine, exhaust.
I'm thinking about doing this rather than adding the fairing deflectors because the change is visually unoticeable.
FYI, this is something that they have NOT done yet. They were in discussions with the Victory engineers and this is what Victory is experimenting with. On paper, it looks like it might work, but to my knowledge, no one has actually tried it yet.
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O'Neill, Nebraska | Although I have not seen a bike with this done....the owner did tell me that they HAVE DONE this.
By they I mean the dealership and their metal workers...probably not Vic. I'm sitting by the wayside until they get this figured out, but would probably lean toward this instead of the deflectors to preserve the look of the bike.
Who knows? |
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| i say lets try it, i had thought about cutting holes in it myself but that tin would be hard to cut w/o distortion. i wish victory would engineer something. tom |
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Tacoma, WA |
hmmm...I have followed this idea with great interest! A waterjet could be used to cut the panels without distortion, but just where to cut is what I want to know!! ----Metalguy |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | My thoughts are that cylinders are much closer to the right side than they are to the left. That means that the right side of the cylinders are better protected from air flow by the aluminum inner fairing than the left side allowing heat to build up on the right side. Perhaps cutting away part of the inside fairing would allow better air flow over the cylinders and not allow for the heat build up on the right side. Did that make any sense? |
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| i just removed the right side swoosh 2 hr job since i have not been able to get a shop manual later today i will test it out to see if i get some air if so im going to cut out some tin or some holes not sure ,but i ride in the desert alot vegas laughlin , ariz. and i dont like to cook from the sun and the bike... i will figure this thing out eventually.. tom |
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Leander,Texas | Im going to try changing out my oil filter to a Lifetime oil filter that is metal. I hear this filter increases the flow of oil through the engine faster thus circulating it to the air cool faster and some say it reduces Engine heat on Visions 30 degrees cooler. Ill be putting it on next week and ill get back with you on if it worked or not. |
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O'Neill, Nebraska | I'm the first to admit that I'm not an 'iron worker' however if the collective intelligence of this awesome group can figure it out that would be great! |
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Visionary
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| I just had a look at the right fairing cowl and can't see how cutting this would provide any advantage in fact it would have the counter effect. Currently the cowl rests just inside of the front cylinders outer wall. This serves two purposes. First it forces more air to pass through the cylinder vains and secondly provides negative pressure to force airflow across the oil cooler on the left. So if anything cutting the panel might allow more airflow along the bottom right 6-8 inches of the engine, but it would decrease cooling efficiency to the front cylinder and oil cooler thus increasing engine temps.
The easiest way to tell would be to remove both the right and left cowls and test for the lower leg heat while closely monitoring engine temps. You'd need to get a good oil temp reading with the cowls in place before removing them for comparrison.
Oh and best I can tell you'd only really be able to remove metal from about the height of the rear master cylinder downward. This might allow more cool air to pass across your lower leg and make it feel cooler, maybe...... |
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| just got back from a 2 hr ride in 100 plus temp in east part of santa maria toward cuama the right swoosh removed and it worked ...the right leg was cool as a cucumber i am going to find some kind of way to machine cut about 2 -3 inches from the inside edge on the same swooshy conture or mabe frence in 3 ovals as long as it doesnt look like a buick...
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| just got back from a 2 hr ride in 100 plus temp in east part of santa maria toward cuama the right swoosh removed and it worked ...the right leg was cool as a cucumber i am going to find some kind of way to machine cut about 2 -3 inches from the inside edge on the same swooshy conture or mabe frence in 3 ovals as long as it doesnt look like a buick...
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| Tom, do you know what effect running without the cowl had on the oil temps???? |
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| no dont have a temp gauge, but im telling you it was great not to bake. it was really nice to leave my foot on the floorboard rather than those sticking out too far highway pegs... im going to macine cut the swoosh a couple inches with attention to design of the lines. tom |
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Santa Maria CA | Tom , sometime send me and email when you are in A. G. My email is in my profile. It would be nice to meet another vision rider. I'd like to see your heat cooling design. |
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| we are here now,going to church this am maybe a short ride today with Judy, maybe we could tie in . tom |
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northwest florida | not owning a vision at this time, what sort of oil cooler is on the bike? How many rows does it have? is there room for a jagg's oil cooler? just curious..
Edited by a99miata 2008-08-03 12:07 PM
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| 10 coil rows about 6x8 inches total size |
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| FWIW, I have the lifetime oil filter with the heat syncs on them and it didn't lower the temperature at all. I put it on my bike and then test drove it side-by-side with my buddy's Vision. The temperatures were the same or higher. The oil filter is surrounded by the crossover pipe. The heat syncs may be working in reverse and picking up extra heat from the crossover pipes. Sincerely, Tim |
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Austin, Texas | Regarding the Austin dealer, one of the mechanics there purchased the lower air deflectors the same time as I did. As far as I know he has not put them on his bike. I declined to install them on my silver Vision because the mounts are black and look really ugly on the silver bike.
This tells me the cowl trimming did not fix the heat problem. It remains to be seen if the air deflectors will help because I've not used them. I hope a solution is forthcoming. |
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| metalguy - 2008-08-02 10:34 AM
hmmm...I have followed this idea with great interest! A waterjet could be used to cut the panels without distortion, but just where to cut is what I want to know!! ----Metalguy
Or...... You could use a nibbler, they cut with minimal distortion.
http://www.irvansmith.com/scart/nibbler-manual-p-960.html |
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Santa Maria CA | Tom Doc here, I have a oil temp dipstick, you could use it to check what temp the oil is. I am using amsoil right and it runs about 210 to 220 when it is hot out, like today ride. Got your email. I was riding with the touring ELKS of Santa Maria today. Was that you at lake Chuma lake dam today? As i was leaving the dam a vision was coming in. I don't see many vision on the cebtral coast. |
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| Doc, no not me i spent the day with Judy church/lunch/ plants ...then messed around with the swoosh cowlings on my bike. i penceled in where i plan to precision cut them probably 2 inches from bottom to conture up toward the swoosh..nike ? i am so happy that it was cool as a cucumber, road 2 hrs. out toward cuama 105 temp it was really nice to have that air on my ankle and calf. my road king never bothers me with heat so believe me when i say this vision was ..was hot . so it may not look as good when im done but o well. tom |
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| Tom, Do you think the cowling mod is just cooling your leg more by adding some more air flow, or is it cooling down the engine? Victory sells a temp oil dipstcik for @ 50 bucks. I have been using it and the most I have seen mine go up is 250 degrees. It mostly stays between 200 and 220.
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VA | When I first heard this idea, I thought they were talking about cutting the metal behind the front wheel. Now I see it's the "swoosh" near the leg. I can see how this might improve air flow, but has anyone removed anything behind the front wheel to see if they could force more air past the cylinders? Something to help scoop air and blow it past the cylinders and exhaust? Just curious. |
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| If you look at the left side of the bike, there is at least 4 inches between the swoosh and the cylinder head. This allows air to pass down the left side of the cylinder head. On the right side, the swoosh actually blocks the cylinder head, thus not allowing air to pass down the side of the right side of the cylinder head.
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New Bohemia, VA | I wonder if a big funnel in the front to force more air through will help? Personnally, I think the right side swoosh could be trimmed back but the left allows maximum air to go through the oil cooler, I think. I'm no engineer, and don't play one on T.V., but I have slept in a Holiday Inn Express a time or two. I think there needs someone to look into how the air flow will change in the bigger picture and not just for creature comfort. I would rather put up with a few degrees of heat then have a burnt up motor. Though it may seem to be an insignificant change it could have a big impact. I guess someone with one of those tempature gun thingies could do some research for the rest of us. Maybe I'm trusting the design engineers to have developed the right mix with a small compromise to the rider in the heat arena. |
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San Antonio, TX | I do not understand why they would block the air flow to the right side of the front cylinder or the left edge of the oil cooler with the inner fairings. I think that both inner fairings could be cut back to allow better air flow around the engine and oil cooler. I am thinking about removing about an inch and a half from both sides of the inner fairings that are blocking the air flow to these areas.
All one has to do to see the issue is look at the front of the Vision at the ground level past the front tire.
Edited by radioteacher 2008-08-04 10:49 AM
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| i will be riding thru the desert today 3 hrs w/o either swoosh cowling on, i will report back this pm but over the weekend i went 2 hrs with the right swoosh off 100+ it was great the air went right thru and over my ankle and calf it kept the heat from building up down there,i dont worry about the engine running hotter due to removal , because my road kind has no faring and runs fine for years... tom |
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New Bohemia, VA | tom - 2008-08-04 10:57 AM i will be riding thru the desert today 3 hrs w/o either swoosh cowling on, i will report back this pm but over the weekend i went 2 hrs with the right swoosh off 100+ it was great the air went right thru and over my ankle and calf it kept the heat from building up down there,i dont worry about the engine running hotter due to removal , because my road kind has no faring and runs fine for years... tom From a laymans standpoint, or village idiot in my case it seems simple enough. I just wonder if the faring is just a cover over the fuel tank, frame and wiring and they had to naturally put a hole in it to get some air over the motor or if there is some engineering to maximize the airflow as well. If not, then it opens up for even more customizing without compromise. My curosity has me going here as to whether design has function, or is it merely design. |
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Gilbert, AZ | I think all the ideas here for getting more air on your legs is great for the warm months, but what are you going to do this winter when it gets cold and all that cold air is blowing across your legs? Just thinking ahead here.... |
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| whiskey...i dont know? ive riden harleys for 39 years w.o any faring rain snow sun. not worried. tom |
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San Antonio, TX | With heated seats and grips or just the correct riding gear, cold weather riding will not be much of an issue in South Texas. We do have four seasons down here.
Fall, Spring, Summer and August.
I like the Vision as it is but I do see room for improvement in terms of airflow on both sides of the engine. I will modify both of my original inner fairings where they block the airflow to the right side of the front jug and the left side of the oil cooler.
It is difficult to make a motorcycle that works the same in the cold Fairbanks and the heat San Antonio. The Vision sure get the job done for me. I ride it almost every day to work. |
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| are there louvres which could be put in the swooshes and then blocked off in the winter. we only have 3 seasons here. winter, almost winter and summer weekend. |
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northwest florida | anyone use Baker airwings? |
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New Bohemia, VA | When I was looking at the swooshes a little while ago I was wondering if, instead of knocking off an inch or two, why not cut a design along the edge with that fancy cutter thing. That will allow more air to flow through and make the bike truly unique.
Edited by varyder 2008-08-05 2:26 PM
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| when i rode with both sides removed the left side was no change. i might only cut the right side or cut in a vent or luver |
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Leander,Texas | Oil filter does reduce a little heat but heat issue is there still...sorry guy i put it on and it does some reduction but not 30 degrees for sure. |
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rhode island | lower wind deflectors, try them you'll love them heat won't be an issue.
and you can put the sawzall away.
cutting up the vision is like bad plastic surgery on a beautiful woman. |
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| sandman - 2008-08-11 12:16 PM lower wind deflectors, try them you'll love them heat won't be an issue. and you can put the sawzall away. cutting up the vision is like bad plastic surgery on a beautiful woman. True, but the plastic wind deflectors look like a BAD BOOB JOB. 
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rhode island | LOL you can alway's remove these boobs, a little harder undoing a bad hack job. 
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