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Atlanta Area | I just sent my stock cans off to BobVic today. He recores stock Harley mufflers and they sound fantastic. He sells them mostly on ebay. I sent him some pics of the stock Vision mufflers and he's willing to give it a shot. I've asked him to install the 2.25 inch baffles. Of course you would need to run the Gatlin tips to get the full effect.
After looking at the pics I sent him, he said there was about a 75% chance of it working. Worst case, I just lost my stock mufflers and 20 bucks in shipping money. Best case, we all just found the best sounding Vision exhaust on the cheap... These suckers will be loud and deep!!!
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LaPorte,Tx. | I'm working on a set of stock mufflers myself. I have started the taking apart of one muffler. I believe you can do a lot to these because of the chrome heat shield hides the muffler. Won't be until fall before I can really tackle the project. My garage is not air conditioned, and it is hot in Houston. I'm also going to try and reduce the weight. One comment about the Gatlin tip. I think they look great, and so does everyone else. But I believe it changes the sound of the muffler. It does on my Stage 1 Level 1 mufflers. I still have my stock tips, so I'm thinking about modifying those also. |
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Atlanta Area | The stock tip outlet is very small and restrictive. It will be interesting to hear the differences between the gatlin and the stock tips with a large 2.25 inch straight through baffle. I know they made a BIG difference on the S1L1s. |
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South of Houston Tx | This was something I was wondering about myself (modifying the stock mufflers for better sound) so keep us posted.
Hot in Houston!!!! thats like the understatement of the year, and "yes Virginia" there really is a need for air conditioning in these parts, especially in the garage! |
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Sugar Land, TX (Outside of Houston) | It's Nice and Cool in Sugar Land - OK, no one will believe that.
Anyone drilled out the end baffles on the Vision yet? I did that to my old Suzuki for an inexpensive cheap thrill. Granted, I have only had my Vision for a week and have not gotten down and peered into the pipe ends, but what would happen if someone drilled a few 1/2 inch or smaller holes in the end plate?
Just a thought.
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Atlanta Area | I have heard drilled stock pipes... Not really much louder than stock. Gimme a week to get these stock pipes back and we may all have a very cheap, good sounding pipe..... |
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Richmond, Texas | I just put the Cycle Dragons on yesterday and pulled the stuffing and baffle pipe out of them. I like the way the sound! There's just a big empty cannister there now. I have the stage one map already, but I thought there was supposed to be something in there. ?????
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Reno County, KS | So did you have any luck with the re-coring of the stocker pipes? If so, I'd like to send off my stage 1 pipes before I toss em in favor of another set. |
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Atlanta Area | The guy has been on vacation... Still waiting to hear back from him. I'll post something as soon as I know... |
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Atlanta Area | Great news!!! BobVic emailed me today and he is able to recore our stock mufflers! He will be finishing mine up tomorrow. I went with the 2.25 inch core baffles (his loudest and deepest sound), but he can do smaller sizes as well. I will let you guys know how they sound as soon as I get them back. |
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Reno County, KS | Please do. I will be looking forward to hearing your feedback on these pipes. I bought my bike with the Stage one, level 2 upgrade installed. I will have to buy a set of stock pipes to send if I decided to take this route but I can probably pick them up for pretty cheap. I have connections with people who have no Social Security Numbers anymore! LOL J/K, but I do know eBay! |
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Linwood, MI | Yeah, I'd like to know, too. I had the S1L2 put on as part of the purchase deal, but I kept the stocks. A price would be good, too.  |
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Atlanta Area | Today's update:
Bob said the packing inside my stock cans were trashed so he had to order new packing. Said he should have them completed by tomorrow. Price should be $125 + return shipping as that is what he quoted me...
Here's his email response about the packing:
I use long strand ceramic glass. It will not burn or blow out once it is broken in. It takes about 500 mile to do this. The packing in the stock muffler could not be re packed as it was also welded in.
Edited by 1atom12 2008-09-04 8:44 PM
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Sugar Land, TX (Outside of Houston) | Tell Bob to expect some work ahead if he succeeds. I priced out the Sage 1 Level 1 installation at my dealer and they wanted around $225.00. That with the $499.00 MSRP they keep quoting me at the Parts Counter puts them over $700.00. I saw a Pipe set on Ebay for $375.00, but Polaris still wanted $225.00 to install.
On a side note - Does anyone have the Flash Mapping Card for the Stage 1 Level 1 Pipes? I can get a set of pipes but the person selling them does not have the FLASH Card needed to install the MAP. And is the Map limited to only one bike? Polaris charges $100.00 to $150.00 for the map flash card.
But if Bob sucessfully modifies the Stock Pipes, I would rather pay him to do it .
Richard
Edited by rmclarty 2008-09-04 10:09 PM
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San Antonio, TX United States | The card is a one time shot. Once it is used, it can never be used again. If a dealer screws up on the install, he would have to eat the cost of the card and supply another one.
Basically the sequence goes like this.
1. Hook the bike up to the computer and start "Digital Wrench"
2. Choose the option to reflash the bike.
3. The software will give you a code.
4. Then dealer logs onto the dealer website, enters the vehicle VIN and customer information, Enter the code produced by Digital Wrench, and enter the number from the card supplied with the pipes or purchased seperatly.
5. Dealer website then produces a key that is then entered back into the Digital Wrench Software.
6. Digital wrench then proceeds to reflash the bike.
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Sugar Land, TX (Outside of Houston) | Thanks David - I thought it was something like that. Like Microsoft, Polaris has learned how to squeeze a buck out of someone for a few lines of computer code.
Looks like if you owned a set of pipes (with the mapping) and you had the dealer put a new set of pipes on it and give you the old pipes back, then you should be able to get the original mapping back also since you paid for it.
But that makes too much sense.
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San Antonio, TX United States | Stock OEM mapping is the only thing a dealer can do with out having a code. |
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Atlanta Area | UPDATE:
My stock recores will be shipping shortly. Just received this email from Bob:
I got them done ready to ship. Total price is $194 Mods $160 packing $12 shipping $22. You can send to PAYPAL Bobvicr@aol.com. Came out nice. More work than I expected
I will let you guys know as soon as I get em! :dp
Just to remind everyone, Bob removed the stock baffle from the stock pipe and recored it with a 2 1/2 inch spiral core baffle. These pipes should be loud and super deep sounding for less that 200 buckazoids (can anyone name that old computer game?). My Stage 1 pipes may be for sale soon...
I asked him to send some pics. If he does, I will post them. If not, you guys will have to wait till next week for the pics... |
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Atlanta Area | PICS!!!
This is gonna be sweet!!!
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Fargo, ND | 1Atom12...We're anxiously awaiting the sound file! Thanks for keeping us up to speed on your project. |
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Atlanta Area | Success! These new pipes are WAY louder and deeper that either the S1L1 or S1L2. I'm uploading videos now, but my camera cannot pick up all the bass and loudness differences...
Videos to follow.... |
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Sugar Land, TX (Outside of Houston) | Interested to see how they act with the Stock OEM MAP or even the Stage 1 Level 1 Map. Let us know performance also.
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Atlanta Area | OK, Here is my S1L1 with gatlin' (fluted) tips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAat-ysa69o |
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Atlanta Area | Tigger Jet S1L2 before adult beverages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXlWil0JjZU |
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Atlanta Area | Atom Bomb recores (I had to call them something). WAY louder and deeper in person...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqnYwHPTJA |
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| Atom, Thanks for this I like the comparison you gave better than the one on andys blog . Its a tough choice between the bombs and level ones. They both sound good but the with bombs on my speakers you can really hear the bass rumble up well. Switching back and forth between video's was cool. |
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US | are the bombs so loud they will offend neighbors in the early AM? also how about long trips do they start to boom in your ears? Now that I have a bike with a stereo I want to hear it!
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Atlanta Area | ness_fan - 2008-10-19 9:47 AM
are the bombs so loud they will offend neighbors in the early AM? also how about long trips do they start to boom in your ears? Now that I have a bike with a stereo I want to hear it!
Robert
They are quite a bit louder and deeper sounding than the S1L1 or S1L2. Personally, I don't think they are obnoxious (well maybe at WOT they are). The sound output seems to be relative to the amount of throttle you are giving the bike. Most of the sound seems to go out to the sides and behind the bike. I'm still listening to the radio at the same volume settings... |
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Atlanta Area | Keep in mind if you use your stock tips you will be killing most of the sound benefit of these pipes (or the S1L1). The stock tips have a very small outlet hole for the exhaust. You will need to either buy fluted tips or remove the "guts" from your stock tips to get the full effect... |
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| any word on if the atom bomb pipes may void a warranty from victory? |
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Atlanta Area | No more than the cycle dragons, ness honkers, thunder sticks or any other aftermarket pipe would. Victory would have to prove that the mufflers were the sole cause of the "failure". Not possible... |
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Atlanta Area | I have the S1L1 download, but after taking the baffles out of Tigger's S1L2 pipes, these maps have to be pretty close. They are both basically straight through type pipes. The S1L2 is straight through with a stamped-in baffle on the last third of the baffle. The S1L1 is split in the middle (chambered), but is also straight through. I'm sure Victory has programmed small differences in the maps for the two different pipes, but they have to be similar. In short, I'm willing to bet you that these pipes work great with either stage map... |
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Rockford, IL | Adam- I'd be interested in how the sound changes after about 750 miles. Any chance you might be stacking on some miles within the next few weeks? And do a updated review then? Did this bobvic give you any type of warranty against burn/blow out? How do I get hold of this Bobvic? Email? Web site? Throw a rock at the back of his head? I'll second your warranty answer. Nothing ever "voids" a warranty. Some add-on parts may possibly affect a warranty, but this is very very remote. Its up to the warranty provider to prove that whatever was changed somehow caused some type of failure. The burden of proof is on the warranty provider....period.
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Rockford, IL | Also...
What other mods have you done? Intake? |
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Atlanta Area | Email for Bob: BOBVICR@aol.com
Warranty? No warranty was expressed or implied, however, this was top quality work, the welds were perfect! He used a special packing, as a matter of fact, here was his answer to that very question:
"I use long strand ceramic glass it will not burn or blow out once it is broke in it takes about 500 mile to do this. The packing in the stock muffler could not be re packed as it was also welded in."
I have been piling up the miles (over 6K in two months) on this bike.
I put about 200 miles on them yesterday. Bob mentioned that they would probably get a bit louder as I put more miles on them, after the first 200, he's right, they are a bit beefier sounding already...
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Atlanta Area | Lotzafun - 2008-10-20 12:12 PM
Also...
What other mods have you done? Intake?
I had the S1L1 setup installed when the bike was new...
Anyone want a slightly used set of L1 mufflers???? |
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Rockaway, NJ | Hey 1atom12 - Give us the full review on the Atom Bombs. Did you have to redo the mapping? Did you do the reinstall yourself? The YouTube sounded great but I am sure it is better in person. Have you heard the Ness Big Honkers? Do they compare?
2009 #78 Anniversary Vision |
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Atlanta Area | Full Review? I like em... I like em a lot!
Seriously though, having recently owned several Harleys, I could not stand not having a loud bike, I just like my bikes loud. These new pipes are nice and loud, but still allow for all day comfort in the saddle. They don't drone in your ear the whole time your riding. My radio is still set to the same volume as always (around 12-14). When I pass a car out on the road, the sound from the pipes echoes off the car I am passing and is VERY loud. These pipes really wake up when you are on the throttle, but settle down to something more sensible when cruising. At idle they are a bit louder than both the S1L1 and S1L2, but the are WAY louder once you crack the throttle.
I have not heard the Ness Honkers. I cannot compare. My pipes are a 2.25 inch straight through baffle design. If the Ness pipes have a larger baffle, they will be louder, if not, then these are louder. It's simple math, the larger the baffle, the louder and deeper the sound will be.
I left my S1L1 map and air cleaner and simply changed out the mufflers. The install was done by myself and two of my Vic riding buddies. Piece of cake. You have to remove the saddlebag lids and the plastic panels below them, but it's really pretty simple. I did have to shim one of my gatlin' tips with washers as the chrome shield for the muffler had a pretty big gap against the tip. Again, not a big deal, just took a bit of time...
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Rockford, IL | <p>oops</p>
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Rockford, IL | Adam- I'm going to have Bob recore my stocks. I've exchanged a few emails with him already. Mainly wanted to see if he had any interest in trading two new sets of V ROD mufflers for any part of doing my mufflers. He wants to, however he doesn't want to pay anywhere near what I can sell them on Ebay for. I understand his position on them. But anyways...I just noticed that the turn-around time from you shipping your stocks to him and him shipping them back to you was almost two months 8-11 to 10-9. Why such a delay? Was it on your end? Or Bob's end? Oh yea...he bumped the price a small amount up to $172 plus return shipping. This is ok with me. He did mention to you that they were a bit more labor time than he budgeted for. Any idea what the diameters and design of the S1L1 or S1L2 pipes are? I think I'm going to have Bob knock mine down a size or two from what you did yours at. Besides the videos you posted I have not heard another Vision exhaust. I watched and listened to your videos at least 50 times each. I want to be in between the Tigger pipes and the "Atom Bomb" pipes. But I also love the deepness of the Bomb pipes though. Think by dropping a size I will still keep the deepness and also quite them down just a notch? What changes the deepness more? The diameter or the baffling? Same thing with loudness...is it in the diamter or the baffling? I'm so fricken confused... |
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Atlanta Area | I don't think I would go to a smaller baffle. The 2.25 inch seems perfect. Any smaller and you would start sounding like a level 1 or level 2 pipe. The 2.25s are really manageable noise wise until you crack the throttle. I don't think you will feel they are too loud. To me, the S1L1 and S1L2s are pretty quiet. Also, keep in mind what tips you are going to use. If you use the stock tips you will seriously cut down down on the loudness of the pipes. This may be the way to go. Go with the 2.25 inch baffles and use the stock tips. Best of both worlds. If you want it louder after you try it, you can modify your stock tips or buy the gatlin' (fluted) tips... |
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Rockaway, NJ | Hey 1atom12... I got the ATOM BOMBS on my Vision. The money I saved I also put on the Lloyds Fuel Pak and the K&N Air Filter with the Llyods intake plate. WOW...... The big boy bike is back on the rode. Better throttle response. AWESOME SOUND EXHAUST. For under $200 bucks for the exhaust you can not get any better bang for your buck. You just gotta do it. The baffle is the same size as the Ness Big Honkers at less than half the cost. Thanks BOB The MUFFLER GUY. The Vision just got faster. The dealer ship tells me that I should be around 110 horsepower with this upgrade. You can FEEL the power. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | you send the stock mufflers out to have that work done to them and you do NOTHING else. do you need to have the fuel injection remapped.. Im asking cause my dealer will sell me a stage1 level 1 for $500 this includes that remapping card. If i have the muffler "done" and then have to purchase a vfcIII then the savings arent that great and with the stage 1 level 1 i dont void my warranty unlike when using a VFCIII .. i wanted to hear opinions on just that muffler mod.. |
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Atlanta Area | A VFCIII will not void your warranty. The manufacturer (Victory) would have to prove that the VFC caused the failure of whatever it was that broke. All the VFC does is add additional fuel to the bike at various RPM ranges. You also have the option of just buying the S1L1 or S1L2 flash card for $120 and have the dealer flash it with a "Victory approved" map. That's the way my bike is set up right now. I have the S1L1 flash, air cleaner and the Atom Bombs. Bike runs fantastic...
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Pittsburgh, PA | if you buy the atombomb setup and include the price of the air filter and the remapping. whats it come out too? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | what if you DONT have the high flow air filter and you are just running the stock air filter with the AB mufflers, do you still need a new fuel map since you arent adding more air? Im just trying to weigh out my options and to be honest hassles. |
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Fargo, ND | Unless you change the 'Air In' you shouldn't need to remap...an exhaust change shouldn't be an issue! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Thanks FlatSix, thats the way it was with my other bikes. exhaust only didnt need and more Fuel. i wasnt sure with the vision since it has more electronic than the spaceshuttle. lol To be honest im not looking for more power at this point in time. Im looking for Sound.. I want it to sound more like a Vtwin. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Does anyone know how hard it is to remove the stock mufflers? is there a online manual or whatnot to explain whats needed in order to remove them. |
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Rockford, IL | Arkainzeye - 2008-12-14 7:52 AM Does anyone know how hard it is to remove the stock mufflers? is there a online manual or whatnot to explain whats needed in order to remove them. First remove the gray access covers located directly underneath the seat, two pushpins in the front, pull the center of the pin out and then pull the pin out. Then remove the gray panel below the rear taillamp, unclip the plastic below the lamp, remove two screws from the underside of the panel. Then remove the side covers below the saddlebag lids, screws along the top edge of the panel, close the lid and then slide out the side cover. Then carefully tip the bike over onto the tipovers, this will make muffler access MUCH easier. Then you will see two bolts that go from the mufflers to the rear body, remove the nuts, and also remove the little black "spacers". Then remove the bolt at the bottom rear of the muffler. Then loosen the two clamps at the very front of the muffler. Now the muscle comes in, grab the muffler and twist inwards towards the bike, just need to get the two studs to slide out of the holes in the brackets. Once you get the studs out you can take a rubber mallet and tap the muffler and it should come out fairly easy. Install the new muffler and then lift the bike up and place it on the other tipover and repeat for the other side.
Technicallity wise this is an easy job, no specialty tools needed. The hardest part is going to be tipping the bike over. Time wise it shouldn't take long, maybe 30 minutes per muffler.
All of the pretty pictures and other details are in the service manual which is located here http://www.mediafire.com/2008visioninfo
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | ejwunder - 2008-12-04 11:57 AM
Hey 1atom12... I got the ATOM BOMBS on my Vision. The money I saved I also put on the Lloyds Fuel Pak and the K&N Air Filter with the Llyods intake plate. WOW...... The big boy bike is back on the rode. Better throttle response. AWESOME SOUND EXHAUST. For under $200 bucks for the exhaust you can not get any better bang for your buck. You just gotta do it. The baffle is the same size as the Ness Big Honkers at less than half the cost. Thanks BOB The MUFFLER GUY. The Vision just got faster. The dealer ship tells me that I should be around 110 horsepower with this upgrade. You can FEEL the power.
Your dealer really needs to quit smoking crack. With what you have you should be around 88-92HP, and 101-105FtLb. Sorry to break it to you, but you are going to have tro crack the motor to get over 100HP
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Pittsburgh, PA | i agree with you Kevinx, there aint no way your getting 110hp from a simple bolt on muffler and replacement k&n air filter. Even with cams i doubt your going to get that. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Arkainzeye - 2008-12-14 12:02 PM
i agree with you Kevinx, there aint no way your getting 110hp from a simple bolt on muffler and replacement k&n air filter. Even with cams i doubt your going to get that.
Cams, intake plate, Exhaust, and Fuel controller WILL make 110. The ONLY reason Devilboy's bike did not hit 110 is that with the stock map I could not get enough fuel in her
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Linwood, MI | kevinx - 2008-12-14 12:35 PM
Cams, intake plate, Exhaust, and Fuel controller WILL make 110. The ONLY reason Devilboy's bike did not hit 110 is that with the stock map I could not get enough fuel in her
I was under the impression that the Fuel Controller could take the place of the mapping for you. That, in effect, you could get upgraded pipes and use the FC to remap the fuel? I take it by your statement that I am incorrect in my assumption? |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Rebel - 2008-12-15 9:20 AM
kevinx - 2008-12-14 12:35 PM
Cams, intake plate, Exhaust, and Fuel controller WILL make 110. The ONLY reason Devilboy's bike did not hit 110 is that with the stock map I could not get enough fuel in her
I was under the impression that the Fuel Controller could take the place of the mapping for you. That, in effect, you could get upgraded pipes and use the FC to remap the fuel? I take it by your statement that I am incorrect in my assumption?
Adding pipes, and an intake plate; the VFC will be enough as is. Throw the extra need createde by the cams, and there is simply not enough adjustment available YET. I say yet because after talking at length with Lloyd he plans to re-write some code for the VFC, and that will allow more fuel to be added with his unit for cam install |
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Linwood, MI | Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | 1atom12 i wanted to ask you what is your total price having the atombomb pipes, k&n air filter and victory stage 1 level 1 map installed. I ask cause my dealer will sell me a stage 1 level 1 pipe (kit) for $499. i wanted to see what the price difference was between your setup and the dealer setup it just what everything cost. I seen the atombombs on ebay for $200 plus $22 shipping PLUS your cost to ship them too him. i was trying to factor everything in. but i dont know what the k&n cost plsu i couldnt find a sure price on the stage1 level 1 map.. im wondering.. im glad i didnt send out my pipes recently as we got hit with a heat wave! i would of lost my mind if i sent out my pipes and then we got this 70F weather.. it was nice to ride. |
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Ruskin, Fl | I don't think the K&N filter is that big a deal. Riding in all the rain here in Florida wrecked the K&N filter that came with my L1S1 upgrade. First time I pulled it out there wasn't a drop of oil left on it and the metal mesh had started to rust. I cleaned and oiled it. Next time it was inspected it looked like crap. I cannot get it clean. I had put the paper filter in while I was waiting for the K&N to dry and the bike ran better. I haven't riden much in the rain lately, but I plan on leaving the stock filter in. I'm not sure but I think the remap is $100.
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Pittsburgh, PA | if you install the atombombs sure you have the dealer install the stage 1 level 1 map? OR the stage 1 level 2 map? The pipes breathe better than stage 1 level 1's right? |
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Harrisburg, PA | OK so what Download is needed? anybody have these? what do you think? has Lloyd dynod these yet? |
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| "I don't think the K&N filter is that big a deal. Riding in all the rain here in Florida wrecked the K&N filter"
I have to ask, when you say the K&N filter did you install one or are you calling the Vision stock filter a K&N? When I saw the filter on the Vision at the NY IMS show I strongly doubt it's a K&N. It looks cheap(low quality) compared to any K&N filter I have seen plus it did not have the K&N red color. If you have rust on your filter the only way to stop from rusting is to remove ALL the rust. Rust is like a cancer if you don't get rid of all of it, it just fires up again.
I ask this because my '99 V92C has a K&N filter that has been on her for about 8 years. No rust at all. When I clean her and reoil her she looks like she did when she arrived from Lloyd. Just so you know I do not have the upper or lower parts of the airbox on the bike. The air filter on the "old" motors is right in front. Anyone that rides with me knows I don't stop for rain.
I don't do the high performance stuff to my bikes. I have K&N filters because I buy 1 and it lasts me as long as I own the vehicle.
Lloyd, Kevinx is it a K&N filter that is a stock filter on the Vision? Maybe I am wrong? Don't tell me K&N is making a "cheapo" filter just for the Vision. 
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