Dealing with the heat
Dallas_Gal
Posted 2008-08-13 8:58 PM (#16036)
Subject: Dealing with the heat


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 21
Plano, TX
There are several threads commenting about the heat from the engine. Outside of wind deflectors or asbestos pants, how are you dealing with engine heat?

Keep in mind, in TX, we ride in 100 degree heat and in stop and go traffic. Full chaps are not practical.

Give me your best suggestions!
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spursmvp
Posted 2008-08-13 9:06 PM (#16039 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 377
O'Neill, Nebraska
Jeans work for me in San Antonio. I just don't stop at the light or signs (just kidding).
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RotnRat
Posted 2008-08-13 10:39 PM (#16048 - in reply to #16039)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 117
South of Houston Tx
Down here on the Gulf Coast I just where jeans, tall boots, and long socks. When it gets hot going down the road I twist my foot up till the wind tunnels up my pant leg, but use cation with that cause the critters can get places you don't want them in!
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Spock
Posted 2008-08-14 12:00 AM (#16056 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

The lower wind deflectors work great and the highway pegs are also a big help as they allow you to get your legs and feet further away from the engine heat. I ride my bike to work a lot wearing dress slacks and dress shoes which I don't think I could do without the wind deflectors and highway pegs. Wearing heavy jeans, tall boots and heavy socks works great for me even on long rides in 100 degree plus temps in Texas. There have been a couple of days in the 104 to 107 range with high humidity that were really hot just standing.

I have ridden the Gold Wing and Harley Ultra in these temps and the Gold Wing is about the same as the Vision and the Harley is a lot hotter.

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pollolittle
Posted 2008-08-14 7:35 AM (#16067 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
get naked!
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rmclarty
Posted 2008-08-14 8:26 AM (#16069 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 261
Sugar Land, TX (Outside of Houston)
Down South, we do our "Winter Modifications" in the Summer. You don't have a Texas Garage unless it is Air Conditioned. The heat is welcomed on the one or two cold mornings we have sometimes on the Gulf Coast.
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etspastimes
Posted 2008-08-14 3:47 PM (#16097 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 388
Salisbury, NC
So far this is the best post that I have seen dealing with heat: http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1569&pos...
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Crawford
Posted 2008-08-14 6:08 PM (#16108 - in reply to #16067)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 340
Regina Saskatchewan Canada
pollolittle - 2008-08-14 5:35 AM

get naked!


I'm thinking "get naked" is not an option, at least in my case, everyone would be hitting the ditch because they would be wanting to cover their eyes.

Edited by Crawford 2008-08-14 6:20 PM
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Spock
Posted 2008-08-14 6:16 PM (#16109 - in reply to #16097)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

I would not modify the fairing piece at all. I talked to a Vision engineer and he said you would not believe all the wind tunnel and simulation testing that went into the airflow design of the Vision.

The lower wind deflectors work great in hot or cold weather.

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etspastimes
Posted 2008-08-14 8:57 PM (#16119 - in reply to #16109)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 388
Salisbury, NC
I guess that when they did the wind tunnel testing, they forgot to put someone's leg next to the motor. I'm looking for some kind of vent that you can open and close to place in the area that was cut off. That way I still have my heat for winter. ET
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exharleyrider
Posted 2008-08-14 10:47 PM (#16130 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 247
i'm looking for some way to get gore tex and nylon off the pipes. and can anyone tell me if they make a fire proof rain suit?
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lowtone9
Posted 2008-08-14 11:09 PM (#16133 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 140
"Full chaps". Haha, good one.
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Spock
Posted 2008-08-14 11:24 PM (#16135 - in reply to #16130)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

exharleyrider - 2008-08-14 9:47 PMi'm looking for some way to get gore tex and nylon off the pipes. and can anyone tell me if they make a fire proof rain suit?

Here is a demonstration of a suit that will keep the rain off you and protect you from direct flames.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_H68zhp_Q 



Edited by Spock 2008-08-14 11:27 PM
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Teach
Posted 2008-08-15 12:11 AM (#16140 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 1436
The heat really isn't an issue if you are out on open roads up to about 90 degrees ambient, and then I just tend to push my feet further forward. I actually ride a lot with my feet on the front tip overs. This said I plan to take around an inch off the rear fairing cowls (swoosh as tom calls them) over the winter. Victory may have wind tunneled their butts off but they missed the boat in several respects. First cosmetics took priority over function. The overlap of the front cylinder and oil cooler serve only one purpose, cosmetic. Secondly get behind any vehicle that makes considerable wash and the bike feels like its riding on marbles. So while they ran wind over the bike they forgot to account for traffic turbulence. Of course these issues can be overcome and/or you get use to them...... but the best "fix" for the heat I've heard suggested to date is cutting the swoosh, regardless of what the engineers have to say.

ps... I was a bit reserved about cutting the swoosh until I had a good look myself at the overlaps. Tom came up with a very good fix.
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tom
Posted 2008-08-15 3:21 PM (#16188 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 59
the heat issue is over guys the modification on the swoosh worked great. i rode from bakersfield to springville yesterday in 108 heat . im telling you it was great although sweat was runnig down into my eyes the legs where cool as two cucumbers...get your grinder out and cut the right swoosh. http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1569&pos... let me know if you have questions. tom
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donetracey
Posted 2008-08-15 3:47 PM (#16190 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
Yesterday was a warm day for Vancouver (maybe 80ish) - and I took a short drive to a beach along Marine Drive by the ocean, wearing shorts. Speed was 25-30 mph - about 50% in shade. And my legs cooked. The heat is RADIANT - not something that will go away with a little wind on it. At slow speeds, no amount of cutting and hacking, or air deflection will stop the heat radiating from the rear cylinder.
The only protection is some material other than skin. And at my age, I should know better....
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tom
Posted 2008-08-15 8:37 PM (#16218 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 59
Donetracey, even at slow speed the air blows by your ankle and leg with the right side swoosh trimmed. and you dont feel the radiant heat. i also wrapped the header pipe with header wrap from auto zone,the kind we used to wrap drag pipes with on tt pipes or hot rods. i only wrapped the top pipe from head to connection with the muffler. just trim the swoosh im telling you it works. tom
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okthenbye
Posted 2008-08-15 9:09 PM (#16221 - in reply to #16140)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 266
Stockton, Ca.
Cutting the swoosh does not appeal to me but installing a closable vent does. I would like to cut a 2" X 10" vent in either side that can open and close. It seems it would direct the air exactly where it is needed especially if the vent door acted as a deflector.
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varyder
Posted 2008-08-15 11:07 PM (#16233 - in reply to #16221)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

okthenbye - 2008-08-15 9:09 PM Cutting the swoosh does not appeal to me but installing a closable vent does. I would like to cut a 2" X 10" vent in either side that can open and close. It seems it would direct the air exactly where it is needed especially if the vent door acted as a deflector.

OTB I think you are on to something, it seems it may be a viable solution if done in good taste. However, I guess my ignorance of not riding for twenty years makes me more tolerant of the heat. I always wear long pants, denim, with boots, and even at 100 degrees here in Va. the heat has not been a distractor or a concern. What is interesting is that 100 degrees is hot, period, so if I ride in that, why would a few more degrees bother me. I just don't understand why this is such a hot topic, no pun intended. Next folks will be fed up because they have to put their feet down at a stop light.

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varyder
Posted 2008-08-16 6:53 AM (#16240 - in reply to #16140)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

Teach - 2008-08-15 12:11 AM ...Victory may have wind tunneled their butts off but they missed the boat in several respects. First cosmetics took priority over function. .... Secondly get behind any vehicle that makes considerable wash and the bike feels like its riding on marbles. So while they ran wind over the bike they forgot to account for traffic turbulence. Of course these issues can be overcome and/or you get use to them......

First, my opinion, and of cours we know about them, is that cutting the swoosh and the results are yet to be determined. If it works, fine, it seems it might in the short term. And of course, a new one can always be order to replace it if proves to be unbenificial.

As to the traffic wash I wish I could understand what anyone is trying to get out of riding a motorcycle. Traffic wash is part of riding if you ride anywhere there is traffic. My assesment of what you said Teach is that we indeed have to get use to it because I think the Vision rides different, but better. To me the ride is superior to anyother bike I've ridden and that is limited. But I will say that it rides superior to any bike out there, just my opinion. When I first rode the Vision and experienced the wash it did feel like marbles as you stated, but my body was not in tune with the way this bike handles. I was trying to ride and anticipate the old way on a less sophisticated bike. Now that my body is in tune, I think I would be a little scared to ride any other bike because it would be like going back to the horse and buggy days on any other bike. Today, when I ride, traffic wash, high winds and other surprises do not give me the concern as it once did, and amazingly they are hardly noticeable because of the way this bike takes them.

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bigwill5150
Posted 2008-08-16 1:38 PM (#16247 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Iron Butt

Posts: 725
Reno County, KS
Denim pants and 10" high boots for me.
When cutting the air deflection inside the inner fairing "swoosh", has it not occurred to anyone that the reason one wouldn't feel the heat as much from the engine is probably because it's not being removed from the engine as effectively any longer? Why is it being assumed that all the wind-tunnel testing was disregarded in the name of aesthetic improvement? Especially when all they would have had to have done to counter the exposed engine mounts, cables etc. was chrome plate and steel braid those areas. The deflection created by the inner fairing is obviously concentrating air pressure over the surface area of the heads of the engine and allowing heat exchange to take place. I sure wouldn't remove the air deflectors from around the radiator of a liquid cooled engine, so why remove them from an engine this is even more prone to heat failure? I like my dipstick thermometer a lot but I don't expect it to tell me the complete story about what's going on in the top end of my engine. Just my 2 cents. I think it was an innovative thought and the pictures I seen of the cutaway material showed good quality work. I know the design vs. aesthetics had to be a constant struggle for the engineers and the design fell short in a place or 2. In this area of expertise, I would probably have gotten some solid data from a subject matter expert that actually did the testing before hand. Maybe I'm wrong but until I'm wrong, I'm right! Until it is proven, I would never, ever, ever and not even then recommend this mod. If there were a way to put it back without costing a lot of $, it might be worth it to me to remove peices/parts. To each his/her own but beware of the consequences (i.e. premature overhaul, locked up engine, etc.).
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exharleyrider
Posted 2008-08-16 7:08 PM (#16256 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 247
the heat may be a real benefit. i found a way to save a lot of energy. made a quick trip to the grocery store today and picked up some steaks. by the time i got home they were cooked the way i like them in the left sadle bag. i like 'em rare. you guys that like medium might try the right bag.

on a serious note. i took the panel between the seat and the tank and went for a ride. the on board thermometer read 87 degrees. the heat from the engine was a lot better. some heat came up through the hole left by removing the panel which might be good on a cold day. let me know what ya' think. i'm gonna go drink the ice cream i bought.

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okthenbye
Posted 2008-08-16 9:02 PM (#16266 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 266
Stockton, Ca.
I installed the lower deflectors today and the adjusability is flexable enough to direct the air right on across the legs. Instructions say for 24 hour curing of the double stick adheasive strips once applied. I'll keep you posted on their perfoormance but it looks like it will do the trick with no drilling or swoosh cutting, or need for a vent or even highway pegs. **Hopefully** The advantage is BOTH sides will get more air, the price was 229.00 not too bad and they only took 15 minutes to install not including the 24 hour wait. :-)
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ellisk
Posted 2008-08-17 1:17 AM (#16278 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


New user

Posts: 3
Well I found when I test drove the dealers vision I didnt notice the heat at all. Bought mine the same day. then went for a nice long ride the next weekend after I picked it up. And yes it was hot the only difference was the lower deflectors on the dealers bike. So I have just put a set on mine.
Cutting im not sure that is a good idea I think I will wait to see how that works over the long haul. plus what does that do if you need warrenty work? Are they going to blame problems on the mod you have done thats not been tested and oked by Victory?
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okthenbye
Posted 2008-08-18 1:33 AM (#16348 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 266
Stockton, Ca.
Lower wind deflectors did the trick. Look great too.
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Indiana RoadRunner
Posted 2008-08-18 7:57 AM (#16353 - in reply to #16348)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 332
Dale, Indiana
As I have always said.
I didn't know there was a heat issue until I read it on this board.

I always thought when you sit on top of a big fire breathing dragon like a Vision it should be a little warm on hot days. It is a big V Twin right?
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Web Mobile
Posted 2008-08-18 8:45 AM (#16358 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 53
Island Lake, Alberta, Canada
Just pull up your big boy pantys, grin & ignore the people who laugh at you happy face.
Allso remember the day last winter when your butt was freezing.
Brainalogy 101.
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Web Mobile
Posted 2008-08-18 8:46 AM (#16359 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


Cruiser

Posts: 53
Island Lake, Alberta, Canada
Just pull up your big boy pantys, grin & ignore the people who laugh at you happy face.
Allso remember the day last winter when your butt was freezing.
Brainalogy 101.
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SongFan
Posted 2008-08-18 8:46 AM (#16360 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

I met a couple at my dealership last week who were from Bakersfield, CA.  Just bought their Vision last month and were on a cross-country shakedown and had come in for the 2,500 mile service.  I asked how they like the bike and he said it was great except for the intense heat.  I told him that it was a popular topic on this website (he had never heard of Vision-Riders) and that it was more noticeable to some but not others.  He proceeded to roll up his left pants leg and peel away a 3" bandage on his left calf that was covering a 2nd degree blister.  I took a double take and said "Your left leg!?  The pipes are on the right, how did that happen?"  He said they had a right crosswind going through Arizona for 5 hours and all of the heat just cooked his leg.  He had to wrap his lower leg in an ace bandage just to ride for any length of time. 

He was about 5'7" tall and had the highway pegs but not the lower wind deflectors.  I told him he needed to put the lower deflectors on, it would change his life.  (Black bike, perfect match.)  He had never heard of the deflectors and I asked the sales guy to grab a set to show him.  He was blown away that his dealer back home had not said a word about them.  He immediately made arrangements to leave the bike and rent a car while the deflectors were installed and allowed to cure for 24hrs.  I left the dealership and I never did find out how they liked them but it was a pretty graphic example of why some people are willing to go to great lengths for relief.

 

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pollolittle
Posted 2008-08-18 9:44 AM (#16369 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Amen, brother, just a little graphic to wake up the morning. Now to all the naysayers, Na na boo boo! OUCH! I would have done the same thing he did, immediately rent car, install wind deflectors. speaking of, did you happen to buy any, Songfan?
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SongFan
Posted 2008-08-18 10:41 AM (#16381 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: RE: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Nah.  Summer's basically over and I've been able to keep my long legs in front of the heat.  Hottest day was 107 on the dash gauge and I caught a looooong coal train.  Ultra driver pulled up next to me and we just shut off the bikes, put them on the kickstands (traffic was backed up way behind us) and walked over under a tree and shot the breeze for about 5 minutes.  My oil-temp dipstick showed 220 that day (normally about 190) and he said that he had a digital gauge on his that once showed 295 when it was stock.  Aftermarket pipes and fuel controller brought it down to around 260.   Yowza!

 

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pollolittle
Posted 2008-08-18 11:00 AM (#16388 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Me, I think mine hit 106. Funny it didn't crap out once it got to 100 degrees, like it does when it gets down to 32 or lower. Consistency, instead of breaking or going crazy at that temp, the programmer should have wrote a line across the screen

at 32 degrees, something like, "It is too damn cold to ride and if you read this please send note to Victory to have your plaque sent to you as an inductee to the Polar Bear Motorcyclist Club! We know you are not human!"

at 100 degrees, "You do realize it is hot, eggs cook on concrete at this temp, why are you reading this! Grab a boat, some bikini clad ladies and cool down."

I installed them they look alright, gonna paint the plexi black so it will match and probably the winglets too. I put the highway pegs on and that helped tremendously, but the wind deflectors bring it right to ya, which is what I liked. An added benefit is that they manage to direct wind right next to your leg, but then alot of air also gets directed back up around the chest area, really cooling down the bubble your riding in. VERY NICE! They should come in handy this winter also.
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varyder
Posted 2008-08-18 11:10 AM (#16390 - in reply to #16388)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

pollolittle - 2008-08-18 11:00 AM Me, I think mine hit 106. Funny it didn't crap out once it got to 100 degrees, like it does when it gets down to 32 or lower. Consistency, instead of breaking or going crazy at that temp, the programmer should have wrote a line across the screen at 32 degrees, something like, "It is too damn cold to ride and if you read this please send note to Victory to have your plaque sent to you as an inductee to the Polar Bear Motorcyclist Club! We know you are not human!" at 100 degrees, "You do realize it is hot, eggs cook on concrete at this temp, why are you reading this! Grab a boat, some bikini clad ladies and cool down." I installed them they look alright, gonna paint the plexi black so it will match and probably the winglets too. I put the highway pegs on and that helped tremendously, but the wind deflectors bring it right to ya, which is what I liked. An added benefit is that they manage to direct wind right next to your leg, but then alot of air also gets directed back up around the chest area, really cooling down the bubble your riding in. VERY NICE! They should come in handy this winter also.

I'm like IRR, didn't know about the heat issue or you weren't suppose to ride when it was too hot or too cold until I read this forum. Where is this rule book for motorcycle riding? I need to read up on it because I'm missing out on a lot of things here. I picked up my Vision last November and took to the folks in the mountain for Thanksgiving. When I left that Friday morning the dash thermo was all freaked out and read -3. It was actually 19 degrees. Being all proud of myself with heated seats and grips, long-johns on and the coveralls, I head out on my 180 mile trek. However, before I got too far away, I passed a dude on a sportster with long beard and googles, no windshield and a big grin waving at me. I was humbled. I guess he hasn't read the rule book either.

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DesertJim
Posted 2008-08-18 11:37 AM (#16393 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Tourer

Posts: 496
Scottsdale AZ
This is the first response I have made to the heat, and on a scale of 1-10 of who should complain, anyone from the Phoenix area could fill this thread. Is it hot? Bet your boots its hot! When its over 110 and you keep on riding and can't wait for tomorrow, heat is not a consideration. I guess we here in the Phx didn't even know there was a book out about checking to see if it was too hot to ride. Street and roads are full of motorcycles down here all year long. Come on guys, "man up", BTW, I do jump in the pool after riding-
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pollolittle
Posted 2008-08-18 11:52 AM (#16396 - in reply to #16036)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the heat


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Oh no, SandcamelJim in a thong and a too short, too small, tank top. OOHHHH, MY EYEBALLS, the IMAGERY, make it all go away. Where's my psychiatrist, somethings you just need to be medicated to deal with!
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