Vision issues update
wjoel
Posted 2008-08-17 9:44 PM (#16327)
Subject: Vision issues update


Tourer

Posts: 447
Northeastern Penna.
In addition to what I have below,before I took the vision out Sat. morning the bike would not start,reading "low voltage" on the ignition screen.My multimeter read 9.5v on the battery.I charged
th battery for 30 min. then took the bike out for the day.That nite after the all day ride,the battery voltage read 13.4volts.This morning it read 12.4volts.When I tried to start it,it was sluggish and
did not start.I left it on a 2amp charge for 5 hours today.Took it out this evening,and every time
I would downshift to 2nd and 1st gear coming to a stop, the idle would be racing up and down.When this happened,I would roll on the throttle fast and that would kick the idle down.I have to also add that my bikes handle bars were replaced before I initially picked it up last week, from the dealer, there was a factory flaw in the clearcoat. Could there be a connection with the replacement of the handle bars and something not set or adjusted right with the throttle, or electrically,possibly
running the battery down also,while it is shut off?The whistling sound baffles me also.I took off the gas cap and it was still making the sound!



I have my 08 vision 1 week now.Took it out yesterday,put on 175 mi.Noticed when I shut it off,there would be what sounds like a whistling sound coming from the front of the engine,lasting
about 10 min.Also,later in the ride,the idle would occasionally rev up high,then slow down.This
was most noticeable when idling at a stop.
Has anyone experienced these things with their vision?
I posted this message last night,with only 1 reply from Bearcat,who thought the idle thing
could be an air leak.He never heard of the whistling sound.Anyone else experience these
quirks?
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Newfie
Posted 2008-08-17 10:36 PM (#16334 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: RE: Vision issues update


Cruiser

Posts: 174
Edmonton, AB
wjoel,

Just a thought but it may be worth a try...Check the switch for the trunk light. I seem to remember someone early on, when the first bikes started getting delivered, who had a problem with the battery going dead when the bike was parked. He removed the bulb from the trunk light and no more problem with the battery going dead overnight. It turned out that the push in switch was not being pushed in far enough to turn the trunk light off. I believe he added a small spacer on the contact area for the switch pin and this made sure it was pushed in all the way.

It may have nothing to do with your issue but I thought I would pass it along just in case.

If your's is a street model and not a tour model....disregard this idea....no trunk, no trunk light.
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exharleyrider
Posted 2008-08-17 10:55 PM (#16336 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: Re: Vision issues update


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Posts: 247
had a similar battery problem. at first the dealer tried to pin it on the trunk switch but i assured him it was in the off position. having satisfied themselves this was not the case we ignored the problem until the ignition switch broke-meaning the switch you put your key into to turn on the bike. if you are having difficulty putting the key in or taking it out or making it turn the problem with your battery could be that the balls in the lock are still making contact even though you took the key out and are draining your battery. at least that is what they diagnosed on mine when they fixed the lock.
i saw another thread here where the ground wire was coming loose and causing a bike to not start.
past that look for a short somewhere. something is draining your battery and the sluggish start when the battery reads low is saying something is siphoning off power because, unless the compression is really high, your bike should start fine even at 12.4 volts. my harley would start fine at 10 volts.
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Teach
Posted 2008-08-18 12:28 AM (#16342 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: RE: Vision issues update


Visionary

Posts: 1436
Joel, not to be a butthead or anything but why are you posting this here and NOT getting on the phone to your dealer to PICKUP the bike from your residence and get it fixed?
Maybe I've just been riding TOO long but if my idle is hunting and I have whistling sound from my motor I'm not riding anywhere, the dealers coming to get it, period.
You have a SERIOUS issue with your bike and if you continue riing it KNOWING it has an issue Victory could very well void your warranty if something goes really wrong. Call the dealer and tell them to come pick it up. JMO
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Web Mobile
Posted 2008-08-18 12:33 AM (#16343 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: RE: Vision issues update


Cruiser

Posts: 53
Island Lake, Alberta, Canada
At least contact your dealer & let them make the call, then atleast you're covered for warrenty. Been there, etc.
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Web Mobile
Posted 2008-08-18 12:34 AM (#16344 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: RE: Vision issues update


Cruiser

Posts: 53
Island Lake, Alberta, Canada
At least contact your dealer & let them make the call, then atleast you're covered for warrenty. Been there, etc.
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RotnRat
Posted 2008-08-18 10:11 AM (#16374 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: RE: Vision issues update


Cruiser

Posts: 117
South of Houston Tx
Could be that the battery has just a surface charge when you are reading the voltage and as soon as you load it with the starter it falls on it's face. The idle hunt could also be caused by the same condition, I know nothing about the vision system but any electronically injected vehicle uses sensors and and generally have an electronically controlled idle air mixture circuit. All of this is very dependent on proper supply voltages so an improper working charging system will cause that problem. Like the other posters said..get it to the dealer, They should be able to diagnose and fix it for you.
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buddahead
Posted 2008-08-18 10:50 AM (#16384 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: Re: Vision issues update


Cruiser

Posts: 238
SF Bay Area
Your dealer should be able to do the basics... load test the battery, check alternator output and voltage regulator/rectifier function, and check for other loads causing voltage loss. I hate doing electrical diagnostic, it is hit and miss without the proper equipment and following alogical process.
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divesharc
Posted 2008-08-18 5:19 PM (#16421 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: Re: Vision issues update


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Posts: 297
VA
Joe, if you can, check the terminal leads attached to the battery. When I first got the bike my dealer had stated that they had some bad battery terminals. I forget exactly what the fix was, but it was good enough that Victory sent out an update to it's dealers on how to fix it. I believe it had something to do with the terminal coming loose even after it had been tightened. I had a truck a few years ago that just started going dead one day. I could jump start it and then it would lose the charge after awhile. Just had to tighten down the connector. Not exactly the same, but if you're fishing for ideas, that seems like a good place to start.
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ruttrow
Posted 2008-08-19 7:16 AM (#16480 - in reply to #16421)
Subject: Re: Vision issues update


Cruiser

Posts: 106
Illinois
divesharc - 2008-08-18 5:19 PM

Joe, if you can, check the terminal leads attached to the battery. When I first got the bike my dealer had stated that they had some bad battery terminals. I forget exactly what the fix was, but it was good enough that Victory sent out an update to it's dealers on how to fix it. I believe it had something to do with the terminal coming loose even after it had been tightened. I had a truck a few years ago that just started going dead one day. I could jump start it and then it would lose the charge after awhile. Just had to tighten down the connector. Not exactly the same, but if you're fishing for ideas, that seems like a good place to start.



After the 50 mile ride home from the day I bought it I noticed my negative cable @ the battery was holding on by maybe 1 thread. I have been keeping an eye on it. In my case I think the dealer did not tighten it.
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pfhague
Posted 2008-08-19 4:38 PM (#16509 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: Re: Vision issues update


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Posts: 51
When I first got my Vision in April I brought the bike home and then the next morning I tried to start it but the battery was dead. I charged the battery and called the dealer about it and had me check a few things but in the end it was determined to be the battery, I tested my own battery with the following instructions, that I also showed the dealer and the battery was replaced under warranty.

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Whenever handling your powersports battery, make sure you wear eye protection and take the appropriate safety precautions associated with handling lead acid batteries.

Following are three tests you can perform on your battery and charging system.

Static Battery Voltage Test

* Prior to conducting this test, make sure the battery has not been recently charged. You must wait at least one hour after charging your battery to conduct this test.

* Adjust voltmeter to DC volts (20 volt range).

* Place voltmeter leads to the battery terminals. (positive to positive and negative to negative)

* Read voltage and refer to the chart below.

Methods of Checking Battery Condition

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1.280


12.80v


5 Balls Floating

100% Charged


1.265


12.60v


4 Balls Floating

75% Charged


1.210


12.40v


3 Balls Floating

50% Charged


1.160


12.10v


2 Balls Floating

25% Charged


1.120


11.90v


1 Balls Floating

0% Charged


less than 1.100


less than 11.80v


0 Balls Floating

Starting Load Test

* Adjust voltmeter to DC volts (20 volt range).

* Place voltmeter leads to the battery terminals. (positive to positive and negative to negative)

* Watch the voltmeter as you start your motorcycle.

* If the voltage drops below 9.5 volts, the battery has very low capacity and should be replaced.

Charging System Test

* Adjust voltmeter to DC volts (20 volt range).

* Place voltmeter leads to the battery terminals. (positive to positive and negative to negative)

* Start your motorcycle.

* Bring engine RPM's up to approximately 3,000

* Compare the voltage reading to the specification in your owner's manual.

(Note: the voltage reading should be approx. 14.0 - 14.5 volts to properly charge an AGM battery.)

My voltage dropped to 8.5 volts during cranking, so the battery was replaced. I have not had a problem since.
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GAgirlTrixie
Posted 2008-08-19 10:57 PM (#16541 - in reply to #16327)
Subject: RE: Vision issues update


Tourer

Posts: 320
Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay!
I had a problem back in April with my battery. Went to start it one morning, and *poof*, nothing. They tested the battery, and determined it to be a bad battery, replaced under warranty.
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