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mesa, AZ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqcIQ-RTo-c
gopro looking at my ct with passenger
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Pittsburgh, PA | you know what... this has never EVER been talked about on here before.. never a link, nor a video about this .... thanks !! |
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Broken Arrow, OK | did you have something covering the lens on the go pro? Some of those "tink" sounds seem like they could be fatal to a lens!! |
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mesa, AZ | yes there was a cover over the go pro |
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| Hey that's Mikes bike and his vision
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mesa, AZ | no its my bike
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm convinced... |
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New Mexico | Thanks for the video |
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West Salem, WI United States | Anyone ever heard or read of any tire bead failures when running the darkside. That seems to be what everyone points to when naysaying, but I've never seen any reports about that... |
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New Bohemia, VA | The ones who it happens to never lives to tell about it, so you won't ever hear of it happening, it just does... |
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Central New York | Square peg - Round hole. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | varyder - 2015-03-11 5:31 AM The ones who it happens to never lives to tell about it, so you won't ever hear of it happening, it just does... So true ... and sad.  |
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Chesterfield, VA | varyder - 2015-03-11 8:31 AM The ones who it happens to never lives to tell about it, so you won't ever hear of it happening, it just does... "it just does"...please tell me when and where it happened. |
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, WI | A little over 3 years on the darkside. 
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Brighton, TN | I wanna ride down that road,there even appear to be tractor tread marks in the dirt. I wonder if a car tire rides better in dirt than an E3. Never seen a video or conversation on it. Hmmm. Wonder if I can spread a Michelin dirt bike tire with knobbies on it. Oh the places I can go. How deep in a stream can you get a Vision before it starts to float or choke out.
INteresting video. I'm always intrigued with the ole car tire. But I've seen too many car tires lose the center tread and your stuck with the sidewall left. Never seen that with a bike tire. But I don't work at a dealership or ask the question. The one person I did talk to who rode a car tire said he didn't like the lean it gave, felt like you could feel the point where the tire crested and fell quickly into the turn. So, I guess, my question, is are you giving up that sport bike lean angle for high mileage, cause I really enjoy scraping my tipovers. |
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| You need to talk to more them one darksider before you make that statement. They corner just fine for an average rider if you get the air pressure rite. And you can brake pretty hard before the rear locks up when you don't have ABS. Love mine and will never do back. Still on my original CT.
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New Brunswick , Canada | Here one with the camera in front of rear tire . (CT) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZKhoFbL7Fo
I'm on my second CT riding 2 up and pulling small trailer with no issues... ;o) |
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Brighton, TN | i'll bite - wingit3611 - I don't see where I made a statement one way or the other. I was merely explaining what he told me. Please enlighten me. Do you scrape the tipovers? Thats a very big lean angle especially if you stand back and look at it. That's the part of the bike I DON"T want to give up, I like the lean. I'm very suspicious that once you lean the bike over that far, you almost have to be riding on the sidewall or very little side tread. Lay your bike on the tipovers and tell me what you see. Both sides of my bike I have ground quite a bit of material off of the tipovers. Just looking for info. |
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New Bohemia, VA | sarvbill - 2015-03-16 8:05 AM varyder - 2015-03-11 8:31 AM The ones who it happens to never lives to tell about it, so you won't ever hear of it happening, it just does... "it just does"...please tell me when and where it happened. Well, I heard once from my brother's uncle's nephew's brother-in-law's cousin, it happened to him... or was it my cousin's brother's uncle's son-in-law...but anyway... |
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Broken Arrow, OK | LOL, even better than oil threads. Got to love what you ride and ride what you love! |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | In Kanada, we have no paved roads, so we avoid CT's on our laneways - they are like slicks on a dragster - good for straight flat gravel - but no good on mountain logging roads. So don't come riding here with CT's - you might damage something.... and then stick our government ( us taxpayers ) with paying off your costs to raise your stupid kids. Use real rubber, OK ???
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| As I said you need to talk to more than one guy. Maybe a 100 and repeat what THEY say.
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Brighton, TN | In 7 years, one guy is all I have ever spoke to about it and he didn't own it. I wasn't looking for a poll or to take inventory, and I sure as heck ain't typing what a 100 of these guys tell me. I remembered what dude told me and thought I might inquire about this certain aspect of it. Which I was asking your opinion on and possibly a photo of tire and tip overs. Why not just understand the first point is the setup for the question, it's how dialogue is created. Now how about my question. |
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Brighton, TN | cokeman3272 - keep the vid's a coming, I like interesting views. Do you have one where a guy is leaning the bike over on the tipovers in motion and not crashing, but then again that might be interesting? |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Sorry, I don't have video, but I have scraped tipovers at speed with and without a CT (no crashing involved). It's not pleasant either way. I'll stick to scraping floorboards. |
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| you can't lean over onto the tip overs with out crashing no matter what tire you have.
You guys that say bad things about the CT how can you never have tried it.
I have 20 thousand on my CT and still scrap floor boards and ride hard.
We have baggers that aren't made for extreme cornering yes we lean and scrap boards but there is nothing ells to scrap.
I think you guys that don't like the CT is cause you don't like the fact we pay $125 for a tire and you pay $250 |
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Brighton, TN | Fyi, I have left so much metal on the asphalt from the tipovers that I have had to bring out a file to pull the lip of sharp metal that curls up from both front and rear on both sides. I may just have to replace them if I go much further. Yes you can length the bike over that far without crashing. There was even mention of one of the victory cop demo bike guys that was trying to get the bike to basically slide on the tipovers and throw some power to the rear and twist the handlebars to right It. Now that id like to see. Not bashing just looking for info. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I got grind marks on my tip-overs and I don't even try to grind them. When it comes to car tires I have determined: - They are not for me on a motorcycle in everyday use.
- I have been blessed with the funds to always get tires when I need them.
- I have always been blessed with the time and strength to change my tires at regular intervals.
- The skill of the rider has more to do with the actions of the bike.
- Perception has a lot to do with feeling safe. Motorcycling is inherently more dangerous than riding in a car.
- I don't have to try it see if I like or not. There's many things I will not try just to see if I like it. I coud go on here, but I would digress.
- E3s have never given me the feeling many has described.
- I do not want a different feeling than the E3s.
- I've scruntized every post and article I could read on using a car tire on a motorcyle, to include by those self-proclaimed experts. I feel my decision for me is a very educated and informed decision.
- I wish everybody total enjoyment on their ride, even if you're using a stone wheel.
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Jasper, MO | johnnyvision - 2015-03-17 6:08 PM
I think you guys that don't like the CT is cause you don't like the fact we pay $125 for a tire and you pay $250
I don't have an opinion on the car tire debate because I've never run one on my bike.
However, I also do not pay $250 for a motorcycle tire. These have proven to be as good as the Dunlop E3 in my experience. Currently shipped for $120.33 http://www.amazon.com/Shinko-SE890-Journey-Touring-Radial/dp/B0068C...
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| <p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>show me the photos of the bottom of your tip overs. You said you scrap them show me. I don't mean floor boards.</strong></span></p>
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm not one to want to do this, but I have done it a while back. The orange mark was a barrel on the WVA turnpike. Btw, on the scrapes the floorboards were pushed up hard. I've go fringe on the boards now so it would be harder to see at the moment.
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Brighton, TN | Mine look similar. I'll see if I can get a pic for you. Unless vahesgotmybackinagoodwayryders pics suffice. I don't post many pics here cause I never too the time to learn. Oh yeah he didn't crash. I did it a lot in the msf course at 20+ mph and never crashed. Unsure how we got off car tires, I was merely inquiring and now I'm posting pics of my underside. Please keep them PG. |
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Brighton, TN | Hey vaiseeyour eyebrowsryder. Just saying hey. I just ordered me some e3's with 50 buck rebate card. That's pretty sweet. Downside I had to order 2 so I got Front and rear mt. But it knocked 25 off each and free shipping to the door. Ta frieking da! |
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New Bohemia, VA | Hey Chickenpoco, I need me one of those bater cards. Where can I get one or dos? I'm actually good to about 190,000, but that'll be in just under a year. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Front and back. Both sides are equally worn, but I only took pics of one side.
You can definitely feel a difference when you go from scraping floorboards to tipovers. The floorboards just scrape and float along, the tipovers feel like they're going to dig in at any moment.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | The problem I have with E3s, is that the sidewall wears out long before the center strip does. This is the 2nd front E3 that this has happened to me.
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New Bohemia, VA | That tire looks like mine at 23,000 miles on the front. I hope you got similar mileage. That should have been changed 1,500 miles ago. |
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Brighton, TN | www.jakewilson.com same account for rockymountainatv.com if you are an atv kinda person. Yeah, I had to buy 2 e3 tires,
180/60R-16 (80H) Dunlop Elite 3 Radial Touring Multi Tread Rear Motorcycle Tire
Part # 1442330001
$200.99
130/70R-18 (63H) Dunlop Elite 3 Radial Touring Front Motorcycle Tire
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and Free shipping. I was like SAAAAAWWWWWEEEEEETTTTTTT!
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| in the past I have scraped my tip overs a lot when I had E3's on the bike. But since going to the darkside I no longer can, everytime I try I have crashed and died 8 times now, 1 more life to go. I hope I can wear out this dam CT before I go down again. |
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| Nozzledog go dark side front. Check bottom lined. install ¤t miles and I still have 15K left at least. Run 40 PSI to keep the outer edge down.
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New Bohemia, VA | jeffmack - 2015-03-19 10:36 AM in the past I have scraped my tip overs a lot when I had E3's on the bike. But since going to the darkside I no longer can, everytime I try I have crashed and died 8 times now, 1 more life to go. I hope I can wear out this dam CT before I go down again. 
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| WOW I'm so happy I have never leaned that far. If it wasn't for the ip over you wouldn't be here to tell us.
Thank God CT will not get you over that far |
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orrick, mo | I was on the darkside for about 65k and loved it and swore I would never put a mt back on unless I was out somewhere and needed tires which happened on the Tail of the Dragon last year. I ride my vision like a sport bike every chance I get to. The only draw back with a ct I've had is that tire pressure can be more picky as the tire wears out and when the tire is worn out from alot of hard cornering the bike becomes less stable with less than perfect roads. My only thing I would say to someone wo is riding on the darkside is the handling on your bike changes any from what your used to no matter what the tread looks like on the tire it is time for a new one. |
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| Or change your air pressure |
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So Cal | With all of the controversy I decided the only way to decide was try it. Cumho 190/55-16 Walmart $97. Harbor freight bead breaker and 2 tire irons. did it myself. Other than better wear I don't notice any difference. run 35 psi cold. I'm getting too old for that aggressive stuff so it suits me just fine. I also went with Bridgestone battleax 140/70R-18. That I really like. It looks like it fits the bike better, bigger. Some sites list it as a rear tire but I have seen other sites list it as front or rear. Not sure what I'll do when the rear wears out but the 140 on the front stays from now on. |
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| Where did you get the 140/70R-18 (R=radial)? I am running a 140/70-V18, BT-45 rear (Bias Ply). Got about 37K on it and the outer edges show wear from cornering. [not as bad as the E3 did though & only 13K miles on them] There is a front 140/70-18 but it is a lower speed rating. I was never able to find a Bridgestone Battleax 140/70-18 that was a RADIAL. |
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Grand Cane, LA | Bridgestone makes the BT-54 in the 140/70R-18. It is a rear tire, but it should work if you turn it around. |
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