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| turnsignals.....all kinds of bad crap being reported on here.
Anyone want to buy a 10th Anniversay when I get it?
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I believe of all the Vision riders out there happily going along this is 1/10th of 1% of all the riders on the forum. I've got 23k+ nearly trouble free, if you want to count spark plugs trouble. The man said that the 10th is just the same as a regular vision except for a few bells and whistle. We can trade knowing you'll get a good vision and I'll take the chance with your 10th.  | |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Ya know, I get to wondering sometimes if a Paid 'Other Company' spy is making up some of these reported problems - trying to scare off would-be Vision owners. Wouldn't surprise me. No problems with mine in my 6 months of riding - replaced speakers is all.
Just a thought - but.... | |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | Smitty,
I have over 2700 miles and I am thrilled with my ride. I would not trade "Sparks" for anything else. (not even your Vision Smitty) My 2008 Victory Vision is changing the way I live.
When I bought the bike my friend took a picture of me. After looking at the picture I decided that enough is enough. I started working out 4 days a week for 90 minutes. I have lost twenty pounds and 4 inches at my waist.
I ride the Vision everyday rain or shine. Life is only getting better me. I hope yours gets better soon.
Ride Safe
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Rapid City, SD | Smitty - 2008-09-25 6:04 PM
turnsignals.....all kinds of bad crap being reported on here.
Anyone want to buy a 10th Anniversay when I get it?
$33,000 and it can be yours.
Why even purchase it if your going to turn and sell it. Just let the dealer sell it and you'll save yourself the trouble.
My Vision is on the way. | |
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Visionary
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| radioteacher, I have well over 10k on mine and just about everything that could become an issue has become an issue. Hell even the head of the service department at my dealership jokes with me now that Victory produced a defective vision of which I got so they could use my bike as a test case to work out all the bugs.
If you get one that has no issues thats great and I'm happy for you. However if you get one that has issues I feel your pain.
The only thing I would add is that the folks who haven't "experienced" an issue only means they have them coming. I hope Victory gets you all fixed up like they have me.
I feel for the dude who picked up a NEW Vision only to have a major engine related issue. I'm sure Victory will get you all fixed up asap. | |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Teach, I am trying to push your buttons! Are you SURE that 'new buyer' is who/what he says he is????
I just have a problem believing a dealer would let stuff like that out the door. I have spoken about this with my Service Manager, and he says that they just have not had major issues with the Vision.
I am just wondering - are some of these problems...... fictional ???? On purpose????
Of course, I don't expect anything but 'indignation' from honest writers here, but .... I still wonder. Anyone else curious?
And no - I absolutely deny that I am in the pay of Polaris <grin> | |
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Cruiser
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| I can attest to the lock issue and the windshield issue(the new one on warrantee came in today), and i noticed some oil on the pipes behind the head the other day. also had the bag which wouldn't open/close, the passenger getting wind whiplash issue, the dead battery for what ever reason and the 176 dollar heel toe shifter +labor issue. i didn't weigh in on the "would you do it again?" thread bacause i didn't want to be a negative nelly but with all the other people with nitpicky to major complaints here it is apparent Victory really dropped the ball in the qc area. Great handling bike, beautiful lines, tip over points may be worth the bike's weight in gold but all this brings to mind the GLJ moniker placed on harleys back when i first learned to ride. | |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Smitty - 2008-09-25 5:04 PM
turnsignals.....all kinds of bad crap being reported on here.
Anyone want to buy a 10th Anniversay when I get it?
$33,000 and it can be yours.
I'll buy it, but I won't pay $33,000, how about $23,000, simply because you say it is pretty much a piece of crap, I'll take it off you hands. If you haven't received it yet, then let it go back to the dealer........ | |
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New Bohemia, VA | I can believe some, others, well they are what they are! None has ever discouraged me in decision, still the best, dependable ride out there. I defer to my previous statement, those here on the forum is just a drop in the bucket of all other riders. | |
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San Antonio, TX | Teach and exharleyrider,
I am sorry that you guys are having more issues then me. Even my Vision is not perfect.
My oil sending unit leaked and some of my chrome came in damaged. This was all taken care of under warranty by my dealer.
The first time I drove a first year model was a 1980 Chevy Citation bought in June of 1979. Lets call it 1979 1/2. Ah, the wonderful new X-Car in its first year of production. I spent a lot of time with that car.
Fond memories like the endless recalls. I can never forget the power steering valve in the rack that failed at 19,000 miles. Now I had power assist turning to the right but not left. No core exchange since it was a very new part on a very new car. But the car was out of warranty so good bye $650 hello power steering. When the same part failed again 3 years later it only cost $300 because they now would take my core.
I put on three Air Conditioning compressors over 120,000 miles or was it four.
The part I really enjoyed replacing was the water pump. Putting in the bolt captured under the pulley was a great exercise in dexterity, strength.
I got a job at a full service Exxon while driving this car as a senior in high school. It was a great job that prepared me for my future better then college.
God, using the experience with my Citation honed my mechanical skills, troubleshooting processes and taught me about being patient. I waited 10 months to finish paying off my Trailblazer before buying my Vision. It was difficult to wait but so nice to be holding my title on my Chevy.
Considering my experience with the Chevy Citation the Victory Vision is practically error free.
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VA | I think everyone has had SOME problems with their bike. Fortunately, I think most of them have been minor. But, did anyone really expect to get a machine, especially a first year production, and have it be perfect? Harley's been making the same bike for 40+ years, and they still have problems with theirs. Sorry for the guys who have had these problems, I'm sure it's the most frustrating thing in the world. If I had these types of major issues, maybe I would feel differently. I think the only true reason to get disgusted with any brand, is when they won't fix what is wrong, and so far it sounds as if Victory has been fixing the problems. I'm sure not as fast as the owner's would like, but at least they are fixing them. Personally, I love mine. Even though I could see a lot of things that should have been done differently, but to each his own. But ask yourself, is the reason you bought this bike because you expected it to be perfect, or because you wanted something new, that not many people have, and therefore it allowed you to be different? I bought the bike partly because I wanted to be different, and because I've seen a lot more problems with Harley's then I've seen with Victorys. Just my two cents.
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Tourer
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Carrollton, TX | I have had my Vision for 6 months now and have 21,200 miles on it with no problems what so ever! My good friend Fergy bought his at the same time and has over 16,000 miles on his also with absolutely no problems. I just got back to the house after a short night ride and told my wife the Vision is the best purchase I have ever made in my life. I could ride the Vision every waking hour. I am sorry that some people have gotten Visions with some problems but every problem I have heard about can be fixed by a good dealer and I hope they find a good dealer that will make them whole. But I am tired of people saying because they have a problem or two that you shouldn’t buy a 1st year bike or the Vision is no good. I know a guy who owns a number of large auto dealerships and has been in the auto industry for over 30 years. He told me they get a small number of autos every year from every brand and model that have several problems, even on models that have been the same for 4 to 6 years. No matter what bike, car, truck or boat year or model you buy there will be a percentage of them that have issues because they are mechanical and are made by humans and humans make mistakes and mechanical things can break. | |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Let's see now. A Rolls-Royce cost about $72/lb. So my Vision, at 850 lbs would cost about (72X850) - say $60,000 for that kind of perfection. Well gee. I only paid HALF that. And like Spock, have had no problems. Does that make my Vision twice as good as a Rolls?
Damn, I like that kind of thinking....
Hmmm - so I could spend and additional $30K before feeling I have a problem.... hmmmm.... | |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | Turning out a TOUR bike that's not dependable IS an issue! I can't take mine into the dealership across town because there isn't one. Down-playing serious issues with the bike is neglect. If I have a problem with this bike, I FOR ONE, want to warn everyone else out there that they could have the same problem. Maybe this will avoid a few people getting stranded. Maybe no one will benefit. Maybe a few people will be too stupid to take heed; whatever. I LOVE THIS BIKE!!! It's the best bike I've owned YET. I have issues with the bike. They need to be resolved. It's evident that all of us have problems due to engineering oversights. Most of us have problems with manufacturing defects. If I sat down with a notepad and noted every manufacturer defect I found with the bike, the list would easily fill a page. Right now I'm over 2000mi from home and this thing has starting squeeling in the drive train (NOT the first problem I've had but I am getting really concerned that I'll be stranded). I shook the bike down a few thousand miles before I took this trip to avoid setup problems. Hopefully I'll be able to find a dealership in the local area (a feat in and of itself) that won't shove me off. I don't work for Harley-Davidson. I don't want want everyone to dump their bikes back on the market. I don't want to sit here and bitch about the bike either. It just pi$$e$ me off that people with garage trophys who never put more than a few thousand miles a year (and mostly less) want to belittle the rest of us who are trying to learn resolutions from each other. I want the bike I paid for. Not a garage trophy. Not bragging rights for a "better than Harley". | |
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Iron Butt
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Western WA | You know, I've been reading all these threads for months now on the board, and I think it boils down to two types of owners:
One type of owner loves the bike, has had some problems and get them resolved by the dealer, shares the issues with the board (to give others a heads-up), and gets back out to ride.
The other type just bitches, moans and whines.
Nothing in life is perfect. Nothing.
The Vision is no different.
If your dealer is not fixing your problem, then that's the issue you need to deal with.
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Thanks, Breaker. That is what I have been trying to say in several of these threads. But I guess my humor is too much for this.
Like you - I follow these threads to learn - and hopefully understand what might happen to my Vision. But lately I have been seeing a lot of bitching that sounds like it is coming from some other camp. Not helpful, and often not worth reading.
Lets get back to honesty, and helpfulness as the reason we write. Thanks again.
My bike is not a garage trophy - I am 64 years young - and ride every day that weather and good health permits - year round. And my Vision is the finest 2-wheel machine I have owned. And the finest I have ever seen.... | |
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Tourer
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | Is Smitty just being sarcastic and I'm the only one that got it? | |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | There are folks here that seem to pose valid arguments, to what end I never really can discern. All I can say is that I'm glad that I bought mine BEFORE I read the negative posts. I believe in forewarning folk but when you are just a tiny portion of the population and you and a few others have a problem does not mean the entire population has a problem. I would venture to say that most folks who come to the forum came here because they had a problem. Those who don't have a problem spend their time riding, having no need or desire to come here. I tell the story again that I was looking to get a GoldWing because of its long haul comfort and as a standard in the touring market. However, I found it to be uncomfortable in the feet/leg positions. I didn't want a harley, well because they are a harley and are a dime a dozen, but they are American made. I was looking at getting an Indian for that simple reason, not a Harley and is American made. I like the way the cruisers ride as far as feet position, sadly GoldWing didn't have it, and Indian wasn't, still isn't out yet. Then along comes the new kid, Victory with the Vision. Everything I read about it was exactly what I wanted. Reading the magizine articles I was like the kid with his nose pressed against the window looking at a Red Ryder. When I finally got one, I wasn't disappointed. As in my review that Jeff and Miles posted for me, I finished off that if there were no other Visions on the road it would only mean that it stands true they made it just for me. I weighed in all the factors of Victory, 1) less than a decade on the scene, 2) never made a tourer, didn't even know they were thinking about it, 3) dealerships are few and far between, fortunetly I have one close by, but what about on the road, 4) first year model. All of these factor pose a lot of risk, so if you bought one knowing this, then that is on you. I would venture to say that most who took the risk one, but few, a very few lost. Sorry you gamble didn't win, but as for me I've come away a big winner. | |
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Northeast Pennsylvania | I think smitty was being sarcastic, like Miles said. I appreciate the heads up from people that are having problems and post so I can be aware. I just get tired of some of the "sky is falling posts" and "if it hasn't happened yet, it will, mentality". You obviously know this bike is the best all around bike thats come out for awhile. And for the years that some of these guys have under their belt for riding, they sure sound like a bunch of old hens. Again, please don't stop bringing up issues...but give us a break on the rhetoric!!! Hey, how 'bout those politics! | |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | varyder - 2008-09-26 6:00 AM .... I would venture to say that most who took the risk one, Duh, that should say "won" not one. But I'll throw the "I was sick and on drugs" card when I wrote that... | |
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Tourer
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O'Neill, Nebraska | Best bike I've ever owned. 2 months and 3800 miles later.
I imagine I'd be frustrated if I had continual problems with my Vision but I don't. To paint the entire bike as 'bad' because of a handful of problems is not fair. I think most would agree that this an awesome bike.
As for the gent selling his 10th Anniv....I'll give you $20 to take it off your hands. Heck nobody wants to buy a lemon. Okay....now I was being sarcastic, please don't be offended.
Hey everyone....why don't we turn off our computers and go riding? Now that sounds like fun! Anyway I'm off to work and that causes me 2 moments of joy each day. Riding to and riding from work. | |
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Iron Butt
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Linwood, MI | @ radioteacher -- I don't know what surprises me more: the fact that you bought a first-year Citation, or the fact that you put 120K miles on it... :P
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Tourer
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Carrollton, TX | donetracey - 2008-09-25 11:04 PM Let's see now. A Rolls-Royce cost about $72/lb. So my Vision, at 850 lbs would cost about (72X850) - say $60,000 for that kind of perfection. Well gee. I only paid HALF that. And like Spock, have had no problems. Does that make my Vision twice as good as a Rolls? Damn, I like that kind of thinking.... Hmmm - so I could spend and additional $30K before feeling I have a problem.... hmmmm.... Damn, I like that kind of thinking also... I need to use this on the wife unit to reminder her just how smart I was in buying a Vision!! Thanks, | |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | Rebel,
When I received my drivers license at 16, I took inventory of the families transportation resources. It was December and the only thing not in use was the fiberglass bodied Dune Buggy with roll bars. So I drove the VW Dune Buggy in the teeth chattering cold without a windshield for the rest of the winter. The Dune Buggy was mine to use till June of '79 when I received the Citation.
The Citation was from my parents so I could have reliable "all weather" transportation, bless their hearts. I am the youngest of four kids. My brother and both sisters were really upset when I got the Citation since they only received hand-me-down vehicles and I got a NEW CAR.
Even thirty years later my siblings talk about that Chevy Citation like was a Luxury Car.
Keeping it for 120,000 miles was just a testament to my Hard-Headed-Texan-Italian upbringing. The Citation only stranded me once when the water pump failed. Other then that I always made it to where I was going in that little POS.
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | I still want to know what issues are out there with the bike. As a matter of fact I am sitting in the break room of a great dealership in Salt Lake City, getting my bike checked out as a result of knowing ahead of time what to look for during symptomatic driving. It turns out that that the concern is valid and my has seriously loosened itself. If I did not know that hearing "squeel and chirping" was a symptom of this, I would probably have been stranded eventually. TO THOSE WHO POST AND KEEP US AWARE: THANK YOU!!! You saved me a great deal. ALSO This dealership in Salt Lake City, UT. is FANTASTIC. They have taken care of my belt problem, taken the time to finish the recalls AND reflashing and been VERY helpful. They gave me my pick of demo bikes to use to go get lunch and shop around while I waited. (I chose a Vision Tour with lower wind deflectors, which looks kinda hideous but works perfectly as advertised). I chose to buy an iPod and they're throwing the cable on for me RIGHT NOW! I'm downloading iTunes as I type this and getting ready. ONCE AGAIN: THANK YOU ALL FOR POSTING AND KEEPING ME AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR PROBLEMS. BTW, I've posted a few problems, a few answers and now my second outstanding dealership plug. Maybe that's considered "whinning"? Maybe some of us are paranoid that the big bad Harley corp. has set out to make us feel bad about the choice we made with the Vision? This has become rediculous. I can't believe I let a few pretentious "better than every other bike" owners get me so upset about this. I'm letting this one go so I can focus on my trip.
Thanks agian guys
-Will
PS flame on.
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Puddle Jumper
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Tonopah,NV | I have wondered the same thing. I have never ridden a more trouble free bike. If I did have a problem I am sure my dealer, Arlen Ness, Las Vegas, would take care if it. I think some people are just hard to please. | |
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Tourer
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Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay! | You know, I've had the problems: turn signals, stereo, yadda, yadda, yadda.... That said, I love my bike. My big complaint has been with the service. Not sure if it's my dealer or Victory..... i.e.. I called the dealership yesterday, to ask about my clutch piece coming in, and if they could do the current recall service when I bring the bike back in next week. They had not even heard of the recall yet! I sent them the forms that I downloaded,thanks to a post on this forum, of the recall notice. First they've heard of it. When my bike was in the shop, for 5 weeks back in March/April, it took them 3 weeks to get the stuff together for the ignition switch recall (which was what had my bike dead to begin with), which was announced a few weeks before I had my issues. I'm not sure if it's that Victory isn't keeping their dealers in the know, or if that my dealer isn't persistent in keeping on top of the issues. I've owned my bike for 9 months, it's been in the shop so far for a total of just over 10 weeks for service. I've put almost 12,000 miles on it, me, my butt, and my back are smiling..... I knew that a first year bike would have it's headaches (and my husband reminds me of this whenever it has a glitch).  It is the most comfortable, head turning bike I've ever had my buttocks on top of.... Hubby wanted me to get a Gold Wing. He has an '06, that he bought in Nov. '05, and has almost 60,000 miles on. I love his bike, but it doesn't look or feel like my bike, as in something that I could ever call my own.... The Vision does. I get frustrated with the down time on it, but I know any new bike, especially a brand new model, is going to have some trouble. My Honda VTX 1800, with less than 500 miles on it, had the rear brakes go out (a bolt worked loose), and my Honda ST 1300, with less than 200 miles on it, blew a seal on the head (wasn't installed correctly). My GMC Envoy blew a transmission seal with less than 600 miles on it. It seems to be my electromagnetic field! My hubby has never had a problem with a new vehicle. It seems to be my curse. That being said, I am shopping around for an exteneded warranty on my Vision. It seems like I will use it! I post my troubles, complaints, because I beleive that we all help each other. The Victory dealer tried to tell me that it was just me having these problems with my bike. I am glad to be able to tell them that there are others out there. I hope it gets Victory to keep on top of the QC and make future models that much better. By the way, did anyone notice that, when researching the recall on the NHTSA website, that, when you enter in the info, and you get past "2008", then "Victory", that the Vision is the only model that comes up with any recalls?
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Leander,Texas | GUYS, GUYS GIRLS, GUYS ...HAVE WE FORGOTTEN ABOUT WHY THIS SITE WAS STARTED I ASSUME IT WAS TO TALK ABOUT ISSUES WETHER GOOD OR BAD WITH VISIONS .I MEAN REALLY I KNOW BEING ON HERE I HAVE LEARNED ALOT ABOUT MY BIKES "PERKS" YES I HAD A HAIRLINE FRACTURED HEADLIGHT AND SOME OTHER ISSUES BUT IWILL SAY THIS I RIDE MY BIKE DAILY RAIN OR SHINE AND ITS A FREAKING WORK HORSE. IT RUNS WELL AND IM AT 6400 MILES AND IT ONLY GET SMOOTHER EVERDAY.
ALSO REALIZE THIS WHEN YOU PRODUCE AND PRODUCE IN THE THOUSANDS YOU GONNA HAVE ISSUE IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT PRODUCT IT IS ............THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK IS MORE THAN 30% OF THE OWNERS OF THOUSANDS! HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM AND I BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE ON THIS SITE AND WOULD SAY "NO".
THIS SITE IS MEANT FOR THIS DISCUSSION AND YES WHEN YOU DO HAVE PROBLEMS YOU WILL COME HERE AND MENTION IT AND SOME GUY SOMEWHERE WILL PROBABLY HAVE YOUR SOLUTION WITHIN MINUTES. SO WHEN YOU DO POST A ISSUE YOUR NOT BICKERING OR COMPLAINING YOUR HELPING OTHERS SO RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!
Edited by TexasVision 2008-09-27 8:42 PM
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Eden Prairie, MN | Teach - 2008-09-25 6:29 PM
radioteacher, I have well over 10k on mine and just about everything that could become an issue has become an issue. Hell even the head of the service department at my dealership jokes with me now that Victory produced a defective vision of which I got so they could use my bike as a test case to work out all the bugs.
If you get one that has no issues thats great and I'm happy for you. However if you get one that has issues I feel your pain.
The only thing I would add is that the folks who haven't "experienced" an issue only means they have them coming. I hope Victory gets you all fixed up like they have me.
I feel for the dude who picked up a NEW Vision only to have a major engine related issue. I'm sure Victory will get you all fixed up asap.
15K and still no issues to get uptight about. I love this bike!
Thanks Teach, if you are nothing else, you are predictable. He is already starting off with a crap attitude, and you just throw fuel on the fire. Good job!
For everyones sake, I suggest this guy doesn't take delivery. There are plenty of guys who will buy it from the dealer. They will be happy and we won't have to listen to him bitching about sqeaks and heat, and you following up with "yeah let me tell you my troubles".
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Here we go again...Loose head bolts, oil leaks, defective