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Lindale, TX | Okay, the BMW K1200LT is for sale and the wife said get whatever bike makes you happy!!!
Great day
I want a touring bike that will fit my 6'7" frame. I have ridden the Vision and Gold Wing. Vision fits well as is (maybe a Utopia backrest for me), and the Wing needs risers, a customized seat and pegs to fit, but can be purchased several 1000$ cheaper. I'm waiting on the cheapest of the bunch, the 09 Kawisaki Voyager, to make up my mind on my next bike.
I have read many positive reviews on the vision and don't see any major complaints. Since the Vision is beyond it's first year, I was wondering what minor issues were "fixed" with the 2009 model?
Jon
Edited by Easttexasrider 2009-03-15 9:43 PM
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Brighton, Colorado | Lighter front end by about 14 pounds. Some people on this board questioned that claim. Call your dealer to confirm. Wheels are polished this time around and look REALLY good. Bigger cam. (no guys, I don't know how much bigger) Luggage door alignment fixed. Upgraded speakers (but don't know by what or how much). I know this because I had an '08 vision and traded it for the '09 Vision. Also, the '09 is now compatible to put in the reverse kit option if you want. They'll give you the old side covers and replace with new ones when the reverse kit is installed. Overall, it just seems a little quicker than the '08. | |
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Lindale, TX | thanks. I am hoping to get a 2009 at least $3,000 off MSRP. Any chance of that?
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Brighton, Colorado | I had my '08 for about 8 months. Paid way too much. Went back into the dealer, probably about August or September of last year. Based on what he would give me for my '08 and what they wanted for the '09 premium with reverse, I would have needed about $15K to do it. Got a call in November. Said they had a great deal for me. Walked out the door a little over $5K lighter in the wallet. That included a new reverse kit and the switching out of my exhausts (S1L!), the little running lights in the front (PIDD or somethin' like that), foot pegs and luggage rack. Couldn't pass up the deal. Yes, you should be able to get a pretty good price these days. | |
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Jasper, MO | Easttexasrider - 2009-03-15 10:12 PM
thanks. I am hoping to get a 2009 at least $3,000 off MSRP. Any chance of that?
Yes, there's a chance. I bought a low mileage demo '08 for $3000 off MSRP, and that was before the economy tanked. I could have (anyone could have) gotten a brand new bike for $1500 off MSRP from this same dealer, since that was his starting point for negotiations. With the poor economy, I would think most dealers would be willing to sell you a bike for $3000 off MSRP if they don't have to floor-plan it first. In other words, if you put down a deposit and order a bike. They wouldn't have their money tied up in it that way.
BTW, I also looked hard at the Goldwing. I got a bottom dollar price from my Honda dealer (I have bought bikes there before, and they know me) and took that quote to my Victory dealer (I have bought bikes there before, and they know me well too). I really wanted the Vision, but price is a factor. I ended up with virtually the same money in a Vision, after I added the intercom/CB, that I would have had in a comparably equipped Goldwing. Of course, there are lots of used Goldwings on the market, and I could have bought one of them for less money than a new Goldwing or new Vision. Let us know what you think of the Kawasaki Voyager.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2009-03-16 1:16 PM
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Lindale, TX | What I'm finding is DFW area dealers are pushing their 2008s before dealing on 2009 Vision Tour Premiums. I have always been leary about buying first year production vehicles. However, if I can get a great deal on a 2008, is their anything to watch out for?
I am trying to decide between a Gold Wing or Vision Tour Premium. The new Kawasaki Voyager appears to be to small.
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Boydsville, AR United States | Ride the wing, and then crawl on a Vision. The diference should sell you. There is room to move your feet around that the wing didn't have. I took a honest look at a Harley, a Wing, and the Vic. Both the wife and I liked the Vic better. Again, more room to move around for both of us. And I think it will keep up with a wing, and it is a V twin. Nothing sounds like them. See ya on the road! (on a vic) | |
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Fargo, ND | FWIW...I've had two 1800 Wings. They are awesome machines except for 1) the leg room (in my opinion). I'm 6' and totally did not have enough leg room. My knees would kill in a couple short hours. The other reason I lost interest is 2) the 'no character' character of the Wing. Go with the Vision and don't look back! | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Hmmmmm. During the time I figured I could afford a touring machine I had a tough decision. Since "HDs and the wannabees" where off my list from the start all I had left was the tried and true king of touring, the GL1800 Goldwing. With a variety of options and colors, and the popularity it almost had me sold. What I couldn't get past was riding high in the saddle and being pegged to only two leg positions. Coming off of a GL1200 and a GL1500, I was getting tired of tired rides, hurting knees and legs and getting off my bike like I was an old man after a 100 mile jaunt. Then one day, close to making my decision I read about a little know motorcycle company that was coming out with a bike that was different than the rest. A tourer, fixed fairing V-Twin, the beating heart of a true motorcycle. Not knowing much about Victory I began to read the article and all I saw was LOW SADDLE AND PLENTY OF ROOM TO MOVE MY FEET AROUND. That is what I always wanted in my bike that I could never get from the "standard" setter for touring. I immediately realized that Victory was thinking of me, the rider. I waited 10 months to pulled away on November 17th 2007 on a 2008 Midnight Cherry (fastest color on earth) Tour Premium. The only time I've looked back is to check for lane change. This is truly one of a kind dream machine that is easy in the saddle, and experience of man and machine that gives me no more snore knee or feeling tired even after a solid three hour ride. | |
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Billings, MT | I second Varyder's opinion!!!!!!!
I bought my '08 Premium, broke in aroung town then drove it to New Orleans and back in 6 days. I finall got tired of riding on the 5th day were we rode 980 miles!!!!!!
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LaPorte,Tx. | Easttexasrider - 2009-03-17 3:13 PM
What I'm finding is DFW area dealers are pushing their 2008s before dealing on 2009 Vision Tour Premiums. I have always been leary about buying first year production vehicles. However, if I can get a great deal on a 2008, is their anything to watch out for?
I am trying to decide between a Gold Wing or Vision Tour Premium. The new Kawasaki Voyager appears to be to small.
Jon
You would be happy with either the 08 or the 09, they are both great touring motorcycles. Don't buy the Wing. At 6'7" tall, you need to stretch out on a Vision. Enjoy the ride.  | |
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VA | East, I too had much the same decision. I bought my Vision in April of last year, and I only have good things to say. I think I am one of those that didn't get one with any flaws. A few on here have, but I think they are pretty minor overall. I haven't ridden the 09, but I don't think there is any real difference other than the reverse option honestly. Some other small things may have been improved, but I would say for the price you can probably pick up an 08 for, I doubt you'll ever notice the difference. I'm 6'3", and one of the things you will most likely want is the tall windshield. I find that I adjust the windshield all the time depending on what type of riding I am doing. Highway, it's up all the way. The normal windshield is a little low for us taller guys. Still getting a good bit more wind than I wanted. Got the tall, no complaints.
Other than that, nothing too much to say. I say go for the best deal. I think it's a great bike and I couldn't be more happy. I have already put 7K on mine, which is a lot for me considering how often I get the chance to ride. I look for excuses to take trips on it. | |
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Lindale, TX | I really appreciate the help. I'll keep you posted. | |
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Belding Michigan | I was a 26 year Goldwinger my first was a 1976 and my last a 2003 1800 with ABS. I am 6'10" tall and 400 lbs. With the Wing I changed every damn thing to get it to fit me the risers for the bars windsheld for better wind protection the pegs down and forward to get more room and the seat to a Corbin for back reat and its ability not to squish after hours of riding. I was a Chapter Director and started two chapters in Michigan. After all that I committed hearsy by riding a Victory and the rest is history. I have comfort in seating and leg postion, the bike brought back the feel for riding that I have not had in 20 years. It handles without being overbearing. On the Wing you have to pay attention every minute it is not a touring bike but a sport touring bike think about any thing but the bike and it will react badly. I like to look around when I am out on the open road if you turn you head the bike follows that head turn and if you are not careful that can get you in a world of hurt,
The Vision is very responsive and handles better than anything I have riden to date but it is also forgiving you can look around and you can get into a corner to hot and still come away with you hide intact. I will tell you that a V-Twin takes a little getting used to as the throttle is much more part of the game than on a multi cylinder bike. Roll off the wings throttle and it just coasts until you down shift on the Vision you slow down right now and as I said that takes some getting used to but dollar for dollar if my bike were stolen today I would not even bother to look around I would just go back to Victory and buy another Tour Preimum as fast as my car would take me there. Archie | |
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Jasper, MO | I can't really add much to what everyone else has said. Take them both for a tankfull ride (200 miles) and decide for yourself. The difference becomes apparent only after a couple hundred miles in the saddle. As a matter of interest, the latest issue of Rider Magazine has an extensive review of the new 2009 Goldwing. The whole issue is pretty much centered around the Goldwing, and they are VERY positive in their review of the '09 'Wing. In the summary at the end of the article they say, and I quote " Items on my wish list would include push-button height adjustment for the windscreen, a gear-position indicator, a touch-screen navigation display, and more load capacity". With the exception of the greater load capacity, the Vision already offered all those things in 2008.
I think you will find that the Vision does everything the Goldwing does, but with more "bike character" and with more and better long-distance comfort. The Goldwing does offer more saddlebag storage than the Vision, and low maintenance shaft drive, but that is about all it can brag about over the Vision. On the Goldwing, you will likely be looking for a place to take a break after 100 to 150 miles. On the Vision, you will be looking for a gas station after 200 miles, but only because you need to answer the call of nature or to get more gas to keep riding. The Goldwing has been the class leader since it first came out, and is still a very capable touring mount. The Vision is a worthy contender. Try 'em both and decide for yourself.
I've noticed a trend among those who have come to own a Vision after having another brand of touring bike. Tall guys like you enjoy the space and footroom of the Vision, and short guys like me enjoy the low seat height, as well as the long floorboards. The Vision fits everybody. Amazing!
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2009-03-18 11:57 AM
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