SongFan's Hot Rod Vents
SongFan
Posted 2009-03-16 10:13 PM (#30342)
Subject: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Installed these today after 9 months of "noodling" about it.

http://www.southernrods.com/categories/heating-and-cooling/vents/products/product-2140.html

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varyder
Posted 2009-03-16 10:32 PM (#30343 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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New Bohemia, VA
Well... how do they work? I mean, does it keep you cool? This was the type of idea I had, but I was looking as something elongated to use up some of that realestate, but those look nice and almost like they belong there.
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Lotzafun
Posted 2009-03-16 10:36 PM (#30344 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: Re: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL
I very truly don't mean to sound sarcastic.....

But why?

Appearance?

Think they will help at all with the Toasted Leg Syndrome?

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VisionTex
Posted 2009-03-16 10:38 PM (#30345 - in reply to #30343)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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LaPorte,Tx.
Looks good, I like the fact you can shut them off.
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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-16 10:40 PM (#30346 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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It's gonna take a few rides to really tell but I went out for about 30 minutes with sneakers on (first time ever) so I could feel the airflow around my ankles.  It's a real focused breeze but very obvious.  I mostly did it to break up the dead air behind the fairing.  I know they won't be as cool as the Victory air deflectors but I wanted to keep the original lines of the bike.  I can reach them while riding so hopefully I can dial them in when the weather gets warmer.
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Vinner1
Posted 2009-03-16 10:55 PM (#30351 - in reply to #30346)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Hartland, , WI
SongFan - 2009-03-16 9:40 PM

It's gonna take a few rides to really tell but I went out for about 30 minutes with sneakers on (first time ever) so I could feel the airflow around my ankles.  It's a real focused breeze but very obvious.  I mostly did it to break up the dead air behind the fairing.  I know they won't be as cool as the Victory air deflectors but I wanted to keep the original lines of the bike.  I can reach them while riding so hopefully I can dial them in when the weather gets warmer.


Dude...the Vision ones should looks so good! MHO...

One of the first thread I threw on the blog site was "when will Victory put close-able vents into the fairing"? I'll be getting the ones that stick to the outside of the fairing when the weather is warm enough to dictate that but I'm not sure that they look all that great.

Well done!
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GRZ
Posted 2009-03-16 10:59 PM (#30352 - in reply to #30346)
Subject: Re: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Ma.
I know this is not a great picture.. but I painted both the upper and lower deflectors as well as all the hardware the same color as the bike. They do not stick out nearly as much as before.

I think yours look great.. Just like they belong there. I am just not sure if you will get enough air on a hot day to make enough of a difference. How about if you added some additional vents?

Gary



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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-16 11:19 PM (#30355 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Memphis

GRZ - Great looking bike!

I have long legs and don't really have issues with the heat like a lot of guys.  I can rest my heels on the front tipovers. There were a couple of really hot days last summer that the right exhaust heat got noticeable and I decided try and come up with something low profile.  The left vent is basically just to balance out the right one but any air moving around there is better than nothing.  I could easily add a second set on top of the first ones and have a really flexible set-up but I probably won't need it.  

Mine is definitely not a "short leg" fix.  Riders with short inseams that ride in hot weather should get the factory deflectors.  They are a lifesaver if your inner legs are getting cooked.

These suckers were expensive but by far the best looking on the whole web.  Like VisionTex said, the fact that they close tight is a huge plus for foul/cold weather riding.  You can find the same size vents and do a budget job for less than $20/side but they will look like an afterthought.  These look factory and have the pricetag to match!

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Big Al
Posted 2009-03-16 11:33 PM (#30360 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Hot Springs Village, Arkansas
Very nice job sir, did you just use a metal hole saw? I saw some of these on the Summit parts website, I don't think they were gold, but they may have been the el-cheapo parts you mention. I'm squatty, do you think a larger vent or a pair might do the trick, I like what you've done better. Thanks for being the lab-rat. Alan
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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-17 12:00 AM (#30362 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Big Al,

Yes, I used a 2 1/2" hole saw with a pilot drill bit.  (That's why it took me 9 months to pull the trigger!)  If you look at the link and the photo of the open vent you see about 2.5-3" of plastic on the back side.  I took a hacksaw and cut all but about .5 inch off the back side so the only plastic left on the back is enough to act as a locking ring.  (The billet vent screws into the black plastic part.)  There are 2 clearance issues:  The right side is mounted high enough to clear the brake fluid reservoir and allow an unrestricted airflow.  The left side overlaps the oil cooler by about 1/2 inch and I had to trim the "locking ring" on the back about 1/8" for clearance.

I looked at the Summit parts (priced from about $25-43.00) made by Billet Specialties but I had issues with how to shut off the airflow.  I also looked at long, thin vents to mount vertically but they all have squared off corners and didn't match the lines of the bike.  I found other billet hot rod vents that looked cool but they also had closure issues. 

The ones I got are perfect for what I wanted do. 



Edited by SongFan 2009-03-17 12:02 AM
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RedRider
Posted 2009-03-17 6:37 AM (#30365 - in reply to #30362)
Subject: Re: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Nice work. Sure must have made you nervous to cut the bike.
Keep the reports coming.
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Squeak
Posted 2009-03-17 9:51 AM (#30368 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Brighton, Colorado
Classy! They look like they belong there. Don't worry about the people who don't like it or wonder why the hell you did it. It's for YOU and it fits YOU. That's all that matters. Great job. Wish I had the guts to drill holes in my bike. I would screw it up for sure and wind up with about 7 or 8 vent holes in each side (trying to cover up the screw-ups).

Again, great job.
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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-17 11:03 AM (#30371 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Ox - Nervous is an understatement.  My wife was so freaked out she couldn't even watch.  The right wide was pretty straight forward once I knew where to clear the brake reservoir.  I didn't think it totally through ahead of time though and when I got around to the left side and saw the oil cooler with it's associated plumbing I had an "Oh, (fill in your favorite word here)" moment.  I was committed to matching it to the right side since it was already installed.  (I briefly thought about leaving the left side alone and stacking the two vents on the right side but I'm too anal, it had to be balanced.)  I looked at it from front and back and felt between the fairing and the oil cooler to see how much room I had to work with.  My first concern was the pilot drill bit.  I knew it would clear the cooler but might tap into some of the plumbing.  Once I convinced myself that it was doable, my next concern was the holesaw punching through the fairing and touching the cooler.  I had less than 1/2 an inch of space between the fairing and the cooler.  I cut that hole with the precision of a brain surgeon cutting out a section of skull.  It took 4 times longer than the right side to cut through.  Once I backed the holesaw out and checked that everything was untouched, I let out a huge sigh of relief.

Sqeak - I went into this with the total expectation of screwing it up and ordering the chrome package to make up for it.  When I saw the left side and all of the stuff in the way there, I also made plans in my head for getting the bike towed to the shop for a new oil cooler at worst or a new hose at best.  I'm totally lucky that the two vents match up and nothing got messed up in the process.  $180 for a pair of vents sounds like a steal all of a sudden.  (p.s. If I cared about what other people thought, I never would have bought the Vision!)

I had three criteria for the vents: 1) - They had to be installable (is that even a word?) with the fairings on the bike.  I was not going to take it apart to do this.  2) - They had to be fully adjustable in every direction for maximum flexibility. 3) - They had to be able to close tightly.

I'm extremely happy with the results but I wouldn't wish the left side drama on anyone else.



Edited by SongFan 2009-03-17 11:21 AM
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VisionNWRider
Posted 2009-03-17 12:45 PM (#30375 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: Re: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


Iron Butt

Posts: 639
Tri Cities, WA
Nice work songFan. I like folks who take risk and you did and it looks great. Now watch folks copy what you did. There always has to be one person willing to chance and try new things. thats how we find these great mods. I remember buying a set of chrome bag top rails for my new nomad in 06 and thinking OH god I now have to drill three holes in my hard bags ann if I mess up they are $1K each to replace then. I did what you did checked and rechecked everthing and took a deep breath and drilled. WHAAMMOOO they looked great and I felt great because I did it. So I understand how you felt trying this new mod. Again great job.
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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-17 1:18 PM (#30377 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Thanks VNWR, it was definitely worth the risk.  If Victory would move the oil cooler about 2" inboard and route the plumbing out of the way it would be a 20 minute mod to do both sides.  It took me longer to trim down the plastic pipe from the back of the vent than it did to cut the hole and install it on the right side.  The left side is so cluttered I'll bet over 50 percent of the airflow is blocked. It's mostly for looks (to match the right side).  Since the motor is offset so far to the right with no exhaust pipes, the left side doesn't get near as hot.

No guts, no glory.

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etspastimes
Posted 2009-03-17 8:28 PM (#30389 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: Re: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Posts: 388
Salisbury, NC
Songfan, I also was thinking about vents there, but 2.5 " x 8". I never even thought about round. I like that. Thanks for posting. ET
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Vinner1
Posted 2009-03-17 10:32 PM (#30403 - in reply to #30377)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Hartland, , WI
SongFan - 2009-03-17 12:18 PM

T.... If Victory would move the oil cooler about 2" inboard and route the plumbing out of the way it would be a 20 minute mod to do both sides.  It took me longer to trim down the plastic pipe from the back of the vent than it did to cut the hole and install it on the right side.  The left side is so cluttered I'll bet over 50 percent of the airflow is blocked. It's mostly for looks (to match the right side).  Since the motor is offset so far to the right with no exhaust pipes, the left side doesn't get near as hot.

No guts, no glory.



Mike:

How much higher could you go in the same line with where you placed them...just higher. Would that get it over the "plumbing"?

I just wish Victory would install the vents into the fairing lowers...like the dimensions of your regular old toaster slot on both sides...a nice grill on the front leading edge...and closable luvers/vent on the riders side that could be popped open but close snuggly.

Then I wouldn't have to get the shakes and cold sweats thinking about..."should I or shouldn't I".
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VisionTex
Posted 2009-03-17 10:43 PM (#30405 - in reply to #30403)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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LaPorte,Tx.
Last summer I was looking at different old car (70's -80') for dash A/C vents. Thought I could find one that would look pretty good as they had some chrome on them back then. Really did not find anything I liked. Songfan's vents look great.....maybe even put two on each side. Oh, I just gave up lookiing at vents and bought the hiway pegs.
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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-17 11:20 PM (#30411 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Vinner1,

You would have to go about 4" higher to clear the plumbing and oil cooler.  (You can see the top of the cooler in the left side pics.)  The issue is the heat on the right side.  Most of it is down low, around the pipes.  In a perfect world I would have mounted the vents about 3" from the bottom of the fairing.  Since the brake reservoir sits there I had to move the bottom of the vent to 4 1/2 " from the bottom of the fairing.  I got boresighted on the right side airflow being as low as possible with max flow and forgot to check the left side before the install.  There is all kinds of room higher but it's farther away from the heat.

You are right on track about the perfect fix.  I invisioned a vertical vent, about 12-14" long and about 1/2"-1" wide with a sliding cover.  Run it right along the outer edges of the aluminum fairings on both sides.

I have a 200 mile lunch run planned tomorrow with temps approaching 80.  Will get a good feel for the vents and report back in.

By the way, my lovely wife (remember the one who couldn't watch the cutting?) came out to see the final install and as I was showing her how the vents open, close and pivot she said "What?  You have to adjust them manually?  How cheezy is that?  I thought they'd at least have their own motors!" 

29 years of chain yanking.....feel the love.

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Vinner1
Posted 2009-03-17 11:24 PM (#30412 - in reply to #30411)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Hartland, , WI
SongFan - 2009-03-17 10:20 PM

....By the way, my lovely wife (remember the one who couldn't watch the cutting?) came out to see the final install and as I was showing her how the vents open, close and pivot she said "What?  You have to adjust them manually?  How cheezy is that?  I thought they'd at least have their own motors!" 

29 years of chain yanking.....feel the love.



Too funny! It's amazing how they can say..."you suck & I love you" all in one sentence.
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tralphaz
Posted 2009-03-18 12:07 AM (#30418 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Posts: 353
Definitely post an update on the effectiveness, I've been planning on doing this before summer but just wasn't sure what shape vent I wanted to use, the round looks good.
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clubford00
Posted 2009-03-18 1:28 AM (#30422 - in reply to #30418)
Subject: Re: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Posts: 301
Buffalo Grove,Ill
Song, Id really like to see How the air gets into the front. The vents look great a little on the small side but very nice. Could you post a pic of what the front looks like? Thanks
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g1nomad
Posted 2009-03-18 10:12 AM (#30428 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: Re: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Posts: 562
SC, Bluffton
Job well done. They look good closed. I think it was a smart & pratical modification.

Herb
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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-18 6:11 PM (#30443 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Just got back from a 190 mile lunch run.  The temp was right at 80 degrees.  Set the cruise at 65 mph and fiddled with the vents.  I kept my legs pulled back into the warmest zone.

The Right Side - The warmest part of my right leg was at the top of my boot (bottom of my calf).  I could focus the airflow right on that spot and keep it cooled off.  It is only about a 2" zone and I could feel the inside part of my leg just above that spot getting some residual heat but not as hot as the bottom of my calf would have been.  Another vent on top of the first one would have knocked down basically all of the heat.  The stream coming out of the vent felt very cool, even with my gloves on.  The airstream is effective until it gets to the rear edge of the brake pedal.  At that point the heat from the rear pipe begins to take effect and the vent can't overcome that.

The Left Side - Basically a pretty ornament.  It is so blocked that I had to put my hand about 3" away from it just to feel the breeze.  The air coming through the oil cooler was way more prevalent and overwhelmed anything coming out of the vent.  Luckily the engine is offset way to the right and there is plenty of airflow coming through there in all but the most extreme circumstances.  (This is the main reason the right side is so hot.  The engine being offset to the right takes away any chance for clean airflow between the fairing and the engine.)  I don't see how any vents on the left side will make a significant dent.

My recommendation:  If you want pure functionality with these vents, install two on the right side and don't waste your time with the left side.  If you want a clean look and don't need a lot of coverage but just want something to knock down the hottest spot, go with one on the right side.  Just make sure it is above the brake reservoir because you don't want anything blocking that airflow.  2 1/2" is pretty small but you can't go wider than that on the lower fairing.

If you want max cooling on both sides, get the Victory deflectors (they are also more versatile in the winter time for diverting cold air away from your legs).  There is no subsitute for cfm's.  No amount of venting in the fairing will match the airflow from the deflectors. 

One option that would involve just pure cutting would be to cut away the inboard edge of the right fairing where it is closest to the motor.  If you could cut an inch of fairing away from the engine to let a breeze through there and make it look good you would have a pretty effective fix.  If you balanced it out on the left side the fairing would clear the entire oil cooler and would improve the overall flow on that side. 

Tag, you're it.

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Vinner1
Posted 2009-03-18 7:12 PM (#30447 - in reply to #30411)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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SongFan - 2009-03-17 10:20 PM

Vinner1,

....You are right on track about the perfect fix.  I invisioned a vertical vent, about 12-14" long and about 1/2"-1" wide with a sliding cover.  Run it right along the outer edges of the aluminum fairings on both sides...feel the love.




Tom: (OK...we need to cut the crap here and..."GET R DONE")

OK...you know what I mean and I know what you mean...and this doesn't mean that we are just mean...it means with your design ideas and me just pushing you...we (like how I included me in the we but it's really gonna be you) need to draw up this idea into a "conceptual" design improvement...then we (same as before, me watching you doing it) need to come up with a "layman's" schematic...then we go to Spirit Lake with our (there I am again) drawings and ideas in hand and meet with their lead designer...Mike Song is the guy's name I believe (ever heard of him)...and their lead Engineer Stacey Stewart (because we need some practicality in this meeting) and enlighten them...we won't even ask for royalties right away to fix the Vision Owners biggest complaint...awe hell, let's just get JAM/Jeff (he's "The Man" because I saw him in a picture with Mike Song)...and get him involved and have him open a few doors for us and get us a "sit-down" with their "Main Man" the CEO and enlighten "him".

For real...we'd make a "hell-of-a-team"...with your fabrication skills and your ability to draw up a pro-like conceptual idea that looks great and your ability to do a schematic proto-type...we'd make an unstoppable team. I can be the problem solver guy...and you can do the rest.

Man I'm excited about this opportunity we have here...I just keep reading and re-reading my latest thoughts and can't find any flaws to it!!!
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SongFan
Posted 2009-03-18 8:10 PM (#30448 - in reply to #30342)
Subject: RE: SongFan's Hot Rod Vents


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Memphis

Vance, 

I'm not sure the boys in the great white north of Minnesota feel our pain with the heat or they would have designed for it from day one.  Although the add-on deflectors work great it's a shame something couldn't have been integrated in the first place.  I'm probably longer legged than 80% of the riders (36" inseam) and I can feel the heat on the right side even with my long legs.  

I was at my dealership last summer and a couple from California came through Memphis on a Vision and he had second degree burns on the inside of his leg just below his right calf.  (He was about 5'7".)  He peeled back a 3X3" bandage with burn cream on it and showed me a really nasty silver dollar sized blister.  He didn't know anything about the wind deflectors and I immediately went behind the counter of the showroom and pulled a set off the wall display.  He bought them on the spot.

Somebody waaaay smarter than me is going to come up with a real fix that is designed into the bike and not viewed as an afterthought.  I don't plan on ever upgrading to a newer Vision so I have a lot of time ahead of me to "noodle" and make the 2008 model a little bit better for everybody that has one through lots of trial and error.

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