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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | A couple of the "bikers" I know, swear they would ride all the time, but they have health related issues with backs, necks, arms and so on which is complicated when they ride. They all have the doctors excuses and regularly visit them for therapy, meds and checkups. I, on the other hand have my share of aches and pains and have always toughed through them. Having been born with flat feet and somehow made it into the Army, but not just the Army, but a paratrooper, has compounded some problems that I live with. While riding the Wing, whether the GL1200, and the GL1500, the lack of being able to move my feet around any great space put me into a mode of endurance with unpleastantness. I'm talking about soreness that has required me to sit on my bike for a few moments before dismounting to get legs, feet, and back into working order again. Having rode both being in the saddle for 19 hours at a time, I was physically sore from riding the Wing, but not the Vision. I do not suffer through the aches and pains as I did on the Wings with the Vision and found it to be a perfect fit and comfort unsurpassed. So, here's my question to ex-riders of other bikes that have had bonafid medical issues that would prevent you from riding, or riding for any extended period that was aleviated with the Vision? I'm not talking about folks like me that has toughed it out, but the rider that has been told "no, do not ride, here's your med's, see me in a week or two." Then went on to buy the Vision and no longer have that issue or problem. Sorry, for the curosity question, but I would like to hear the impact the Vision has made in this regard. | |
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Visionary
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Memphis | I don't have enough pains to need a doctor but I am a typical overweight middle-ged American male with lots of creaks and pops in my tight joints. There have been lots of times where I've been stiff and sore from working in the yard or on the car from the day before and taken the Vision for a ride the next day. I always get back from a multi hour day in the saddle feeling all loosened up and stretched out. (Not mention the mental decompression.) | |
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Puddle Jumper
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Nebraska | I have some serious back issues and when I had my Honda VTX any ride more than 30 minutes I would have to take a ton of pain meds just to keep riding but made it really unsafe to ride, if I did tough it out I would be miserable for days afterword. The riding position on the Honda after 20 minutes or so both feet would go numb. I talked to my Doc and Chiropractor to see if there was anything I could take or do and both of them told me to stop riding!!
But, being the hard head that I am, when I saw the Vision I had to take it for a ride and when I took it for a test ride I was gone for a good 45 minutes (the dealer started to get a little worried I was gone for so long) and had no problems on the ride at all... That was it I traded the Honda for my Vision Premium Street and have no problem on long rides and the best part I'm not a miserable bast@*% for days after.  | |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | From a medical aspect, there are some differences that all pertain to why you guys are finding the V a better option. Having been in the medical profession for what seems to have been 10000's of years, here is what i have found. When you sit in the saddle of the Vsn, its a "cupping" type seat, that cradles your lower spine, hips etc. Now add to that the porportion of leg and foot position both vertically on the leg, then slightly elevated at the foot at the floorboard. Now add to that the span and height of the handlebars, notice that they for most grown men are lower, which lowers your shoulders, which in turn elongates your neck.. my point here is that whether Victory
studied this and designed it intentionally or not, when you add up this great combination of positions, it causes the body to be very well
balanced with no stress points on any one or two given areas. Now, add to this great combination that eventhough we riders may not be aware of it, there is a low vibration in the engine which radiates through this "balanced body". Think of that vibration as a low level "massage" to the skeletal and muscular system if you will. The fact that the low seat height also has a lot to do with body placement when you come to a stop and have to move your feet/legs from the floorboard position to the ground, the difference is not
stressful therefore those of you who may have joint hip leg issues arent feeling a big difference when going from one position to the other.
Hope this scientific journey through the human body, explains some things. if you have any questions, id be happy to offer answers as best I can.
W.M. Richardson,II C.Ht, RBT.
Vic Vision 08 Street Premium black (the sharpest if not the fastest, covered in chrome) | |
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Tourer
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Simi Valley, CA | I figured that with the heated seat on my Premium Tour, if my back started hurting I would just go for a ride, crank up the heat and enjoy the ride.... soon I would forget all about my sore back.
Tim
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Tourer
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SC, Bluffton | This is a good question, as I was about to start a new post. On day 2 of owning the Vision, I loosened the bolts and tried to turn the brake & clutch controls up-North. Because the handlebar is oval, it won't adjust. I took our first long trip with lots of in town riding in February on the Vision. Since then, I have great pain in the top part of my forearm right in front of the elbow. I have discovered this to tennis elbow. I am fine on the other motorcycles I own. The Vision is super comfortable, but I am going to have to sit on a cushion to bring me up a few inches so that I don't have to point my fingers down, just forward, when grabbing the levers. I really do hurt, and the levers really are the only thing un-ergonomic in my opinion. I am 5'10", and have normal to long arms, so it ain't 'cause I am short.
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Tourer
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| Let me start with saying that I have a muscle condition that effects my entire body.
Muscle spasms, headaches the works.
The only place I feel comfortable is on a Victory.
I did 550 miles one day and 650 miles 2 days later while in Florida for Bike Week on my Vision.
When I got off my bike I felt great, it is the perfect bike. | |
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Cruiser
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San Antonio, Texas | Nothing out of the ordinary for me--just the usual old man ailments---no problems riding though. However, my wife has a problem with sciatica and couldn't ride for more than 20-30 minutes without having to take a break and stretch. With each break, she got some relief, but the "comfortable" riding times got progressively shorter during the ride until she'd just had enough. Those times are greatly extended (past 1 hour) on the Vision and she recently discovered that if she hits the seat heater, she can ride without problems--at least up to two hours (our longest jaunt up to this point). Once we get some time to ride, we'll see just how long she can go without asking for a stretch break. | |
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | g1nomad - 2009-03-19 10:19 AM
This is a good question, as I was about to start a new post. On day 2 of owning the Vision, I loosened the bolts and tried to turn the brake & clutch controls up-North. Because the handlebar is oval, it won't adjust. I took our first long trip with lots of in town riding in February on the Vision. Since then, I have great pain in the top part of my forearm right in front of the elbow. I have discovered this to tennis elbow. I am fine on the other motorcycles I own. The Vision is super comfortable, but I am going to have to sit on a cushion to bring me up a few inches so that I don't have to point my fingers down, just forward, when grabbing the levers. I really do hurt, and the levers really are the only thing un-ergonomic in my opinion. I am 5'10", and have normal to long arms, so it ain't 'cause I am short.
Herb
I have the same pain in my forearm when riding all day. So when I take long trips I use a strap like these. It is amazing there is no pain with them on.
http://www.mmbrace.com/flaorthopedicbraces/elbowbraces/gelband-armb... | |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks for the replys thus far. I guess I'm curious as to what makes people tick, and to provide the opportunity for those who has gotten past all the "fugly" comments that people make concerning the Vision. I want to question some peoples desires to ride, especially when it is talk. I do sympathize with folks medical condition and how much the Vision is a help if you really want to ride in spite of them. I actually questioned myself about riding because it was sometimes downright miserable on the wing, so I know these issues are real. So I guess the point is that you almost gave up riding because of your condition and that changed when you got the Vision. I have the arm issue as well, but I do a lot of typing, but I think if the Vision had a slightly larger grip I'd be okay. The bar placement is near perfect and if I was to have my choice there I would pull-back about 1 to 2 inches, but it doesn't matter. I'm going to try that arm band thing as my problems is more typing related (can't you tell) then riding related, it just wants to mess with me if I stay on the bars too long. | |
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Cruiser
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Prescott, Az | I quit riding back in 1980 after a major wreck where my right leg was snapped then bolted back together by the Docs. I still have the plate. After 21 yrs of not riding I got back into motorcycles but by now Golf had trashed my back. Arthritis set in then Spinal Stenosis.
Back in 1978 I had a Goldwing that I loved. Now, after 21 yrs, I went with another Goldwing only to find out my back and hips hated the leg position of the Wing. I bought a new VTX by Honda as the foot position is out front with huge floorboards. I did have to get a drivers backrest and an aftermarket seat and it worked fine for 4 years. When I decided I wanted a Tour bike, the Goldwing was out of the question as they still had crappy foot position. Then I stumbled upon the Vision and for me it is the Goldwing with better foot position. I had to get a backrest but now I look forward to long trips. I will never be an Iron Butt but I can so 300-400 miles per day in the Viz. | |
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Cruiser
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| VaParadox, my tailbone is the place i feel it onthe vic. never had it there on the ultra, just monkey butt after about 140 miles. at 100 on the vic my tailbone is screaming. this is with or without a butt buffer. any suggestions short of one of those donuts they give you when you hurt your spine? | |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | After 20+ years on Gold Wings and Valkyries, my knees couldn't take it any more. After 100 miles, I almost needed help getting off my beloved 2000 Valkyrie. Looked at all the rest and took a test ride on the Vision. Decision made. I have NEVER owner a more comfortable bike.
I'm a believer. | |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Only riding problem: 'NUMB-BUM' - solution : Sheepskin for rides more than 6 hours.
Mind you - getting on and off the thing about killed me until I started mounting it like a horse: left foot on passenger pilon - swing leg over passenger seat - missing the trunk. And reverse for dismount. At age 65 and being out of shape with a bad heart - this WAS the worse... | |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | Since the question was asked, I will reply in the most professional politically correct method that I can. So some this may offend you, to others it might open a door, hopefully its some insight for all to think about.
I have read all of your responses, there is one common denominator in all of your comments. All of you are acting as though you
expect the machine to make your ride more acommodating,,,, with no effort on your part. We as human beings have become
short sighted in how our own self interaction affects out outcome. Got a pain, take a pill. Pill doesnt work, get a knife... etc etc.
Boys all of your issues can be improved with some regular level of either strength training, muscle stimulation, exercise, or habit modification. Poor circulation, sore muscles, aching bones, numbness and so on and so on are caused by the body TELLING YOU IT NEEDS SOMETHING. I know that each of us, myself included has the time and the capability to work on improving the "vehicle" ie our body so that it can perform to a better level than it currently does. Your postings are all asking for modifications on a machine to make YOU feel better. I can promise you, many MANY of your physical complaints can be eliminated by getting off your butts and
putting forth the effort to improve that which your body is telling you it nees help with. Especially when it comes to circulation, numbness, and stiffness related issues. My suggestion if you came to me as a patient, stop looking to add to your bike and start looking to subtract from your body. As I have told patients for years, you must think of your body as your "vehicle". It is the only thing that gets you from point A to point B and unlike your real car, you cannot trade it in when you've wrecked it. Which vehicle would you prefer to take on a grand vacation, the run down, beat up vehicle that you pray will get you there, or the vehicle that gets
regular maintenance, has oil changes, good quality fuel, and an owner who values its importance. Try to re-evaluate not the bike
but the owner, and see where you can make changes. Gosh, id hate to read on here that any of you had to give up your Vision's because of something that you could truly fix on your own. Like i said before, most of your issues are self induced and can be corrected with the simplest of life changes. Lets not all end up riding on doughnuts, with pretzel shaped handlebars, and vibrating heated seats, change the rider boys, not the bike. (see, i can write a serious piece without being a goofball,, sorry VicVsn) | |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | A Paradox.
A Paradox - what a wonderful, strange thing.
If I wanted to walk - or run - I would. But I prefer to ride.
And I prefer to ride - the FINEST ride I can. And that is The Victory Vision. No modifications required - but what Human Being will accept what his neighbour has? We MUST have 'better' than HIM!
SO. Modify Away. Without that spirit - there would have been NO HOTRODS ! | |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | VaP, I can agree with you on the issues, but I want to bring it back around to the original quest to see who had problems on other machines with documented medical problems that were lessened or aleviated when riding the Vision. I do want to caveat on VaP recommendation and say that I "prepared" for the year before lasts ride to Texas because of the need for endurance on the GoldWing. This past year I fell off dramatically on the exercise thing and took off on the Vision "unprepared" in comparision. I had not issues with this ride at all. That doesn't mean I couldn't lose a spare tire or two, but not to help me ride better. I hope you, VaP, is not implying that I could be just as happy, for just as long on a GoldWing as I would the Vision, if I was "fit"? Knowing my body as I do, I've put up with a lot of things, and short of surgery I've done a lot to be able to endure or aleviate pain without meds or homopathic remedies. I'll tell you about what I've learned sometime. | |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | donetracey - 2009-03-20 12:17 AM Without that spirit - there would have been NO HOTRODS ! I am amazed and wonder over man's fascination with machines. From a young child holding its momma's hand that will fixate on a motorcycle and even hindered the trek in or out of a store to stand and stare. I still have an awe and fasination with big rigs, (BTW, where is Indiana RoadRunner?) and found myself riding a lane across and behind some from a 70 something Black Conventional Kenworth to admire the "beauty" of such a fine machine. I'll crane my neck while riding to watch a jet making contrails across the sky. And a Hot Rod is always some to behold and to imagine what the beating heart is under the hood. The Vision holds its place among such fascinations.
Edited by varyder 2009-03-20 12:26 AM
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Tourer
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SC, Bluffton | VisionTex - 2009-03-19 1:03 PM
I have the same pain in my forearm when riding all day. So when I take long trips I use a strap like these. It is amazing there is no pain with them on.
http://www.mmbrace.com/flaorthopedicbraces/elbowbraces/gelband-armb...
Thank you for the tip. I will invest. 
Herb
Edited by g1nomad 2009-03-20 8:20 AM
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