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Iron Butt
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| Mine is not/did not go very well. I will call Muth in th a.m. and see what happens.
The right side mirroe they sent me seems to have a bow in it, it as a slight concave shape. The adhesives couldn't hold down all the sides, hold 2 down, 2 pop up...hold 3 down 1 pops up, etc etc.
The left side i can't see a warp in it but is doing the same thing, not nearly as bad but not right. I'm not too happy, I fear I'll be unable to ride for a while till new ones can be shipped, or I ship my backings in and have them do it.
Hope everyone else has better luck.
I will report what Muth says tomorrow, I expect them to be very helpful as they usually are.
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Visionary
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Memphis | Yikes! I got mine today but am waiting on new J&M speakers to arrive and do it all a once. I have a huge trip planned in three weeks and can't afford for the bike to be down with delays so will monitor your situation very closely. Did your original mirrors get torn up? |
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Iron Butt
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| very tore up. whatever adhesive Victory uses is good stuff! |
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Cruiser
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Central Florida | jeffmack - 2009-03-30 11:13 PM
Mine is not/did not go very well. I will call Muth in th a.m. and see what happens.
The right side mirroe they sent me seems to have a bow in it, it as a slight concave shape. The adhesives couldn't hold down all the sides, hold 2 down, 2 pop up...hold 3 down 1 pops up, etc etc.
The left side i can't see a warp in it but is doing the same thing, not nearly as bad but not right. I'm not too happy, I fear I'll be unable to ride for a while till new ones can be shipped, or I ship my backings in and have them do it.
Hope everyone else has better luck.
I will report what Muth says tomorrow, I expect them to be very helpful as they usually are.
Make sure opening for LED cutout is equal or larger to LED assembly...
If hole is too big it is NO problem, it wont get wet back there anyway |
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Iron Butt
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| The people at Muth are great as I expected. I shipped mine off for them to do the mirrors to the backing.
Devil, the opening as plenty big for the LED assembly, but the mirrors as a whole seemed to not want to lay flat against the backing.
all prior adhesive that victory used was stripped completely and cleaned with Alcohol..still no luck.
If I had it to do all over again I would have shipped my backing in last week.
At least Muth is very helpful.
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Woodland Hills, CA | Still haven't received mine! |
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Central Florida | jeffmack - 2009-03-31 12:04 PM
The people at Muth are great as I expected. I shipped mine off for them to do the mirrors to the backing.
Devil, the opening as plenty big for the LED assembly, but the mirrors as a whole seemed to not want to lay flat against the backing.
all prior adhesive that victory used was stripped completely and cleaned with Alcohol..still no luck.
If I had it to do all over again I would have shipped my backing in last week.
At least Muth is very helpful.
Sorry to hear about problems! It was not an issue for me. I assume mirror assembly fit properly in mirror frame? It wasnt too large?
only thing I could think of without seeing it.
"production" kits might also be different than prototype they sent me..
I guess we will have to hear from the other guinea pigs |
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Cruiser
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| Received mine today, and installed them this evening. About a 2 hour project, but everything seemed to fit correctly once I got the cut out big enough for the module to fit. Used the additional RTV adheasive recommended and did not encounter any proplems. Fit was snug and the mirrors seemd to seat in the frame as they should. Looks great! Now I need to replace my spot mirrors and this project will be complete.  |
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Tourer
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O'Neill, Nebraska | They just came in today and I'll try to get them installed early next week. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Oviedo, FL | Can someone or Devilboy advise where the pictures are of the Muth install. I recalled seeing them posted either on this site or the other? |
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SC, Bluffton | Stryker - 2009-04-02 8:44 AM
Can someone or Devilboy advise where the pictures are of the Muth install. I recalled seeing them posted either on this site or the other?
Here is one:
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=2766&pos...
I know devilboy posted in another area also.
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Visionary
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Memphis | Thursday 12:30 central time; Just got off the phone with Denise at Muth because the directions didn't jive with what I had in my package. Step 9 says "Ensure the cap sheets are removed from the existing 4 PSA (Pressure Sensitive Adhesive) tabs on the module." Step 10 says "Using the additional PSA, adhere............. I didn't get any additional PSA sheets in the package so I called. Denise immediately knew what I was talking about and said that the person who packed our systems forgot to include the additional PSA and that they shipped it to all of us on the 31st. I asked where the additional PSA should go and she advised reviewing the YouTube video of their Vision install. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWx7sDUICeM Denise also mentioned the jeffmack incident and said it was an aligment issue that the tech was able to fix no problem. Dry fit everything before you peel the backing off of the PSA. If anyone else has any info, pass it on. Do not hesitate to call Muth if you have any questions at all. They really want us to like their system. |
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Iron Butt
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| First let me say the customer service at Muth is A++++
I also diidn't get the additional PSA..when i called they offerd to send some but I decided to hit the auto parts store and get my own bt couldn't find the exact thickness in the tape. I thought by getting close id be OK. WRONG. Wait for them to ship you their PSA if they forgto to include it. |
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Memphis | jeffmack, Thanks for that update. I was just about to go get some PSA on my own but decided to call Muth instead. Glad yours was an easy fix. |
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Cruiser
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| I had noticed this but decided that the RTV adheasive would make up for it. So far it has!
Love the Blue Glass and additional signal visibility to the folks behind me! |
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Central Florida | Wow! I am surprised at all the problems you guys are having!
They must have changed something on the product and instructions!
My adhesive backing was the full size of the glass assembly and I just had to peel and stick!
only issue I had was with connections. They had the color of the wires on the turn signal incorrect but I was able to figure it out pretty quickly. |
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Tourer
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O'Neill, Nebraska | I'm out of town and hopefully will receive the PSA next week. Do we need to call Muth or did Denise say they were going to automatically ship it.
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Memphis | No need to call, they all shipped out on the 31st. I got mine in the mail today. 4" circle of material. 8:00 saturday morning........stand by for news........ |
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Cruiser
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| I just now saw this thread....wish I woulda seen it BEFORE I attempted install. I spent ALL night trying to get my mirrors to fit but finally gave up. Now I think I cut the hole TOO big and it's probably useless now. I can safely say that the hole IS large enough for the LED's but the mirrors themselves don't fit in my mirror plate. |
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Memphis | Put mine in this morning. They fit so perfect that they basically snapped in. The cut-out drawn on the template was too small so I had to enlarge the hole to clear every edge of the LED module. The fitment problem is with the LED module itself. It is not trimmed to match the cut-out. If they trimmed off the excess around the edge of the LEDs it would be perfect. I got mine to fit but I had to Dremel right into the edge of the housing. You can't trim the edge of the LED because it is already bonded to the glass and not worth the risk. Very tight fit, right up to the edge. The extra PSA is critical for a really good bond. I soldered my wires (not a fan of the snap clips). They look fantastic and the LEDs are actually angled so that they are brightest when viewed from the blind spot, not straight back. The angle will also work better at night bacause you can definitely see the LEDs flashing but they are not distractingly bright from the seat. I'm extremely happy with them but they really do need to trim the LED module better before they mount it on the glass. Couldn't find a camera this morning to document the install but if anyone has any questions don't hesitate to ask. |
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Memphis | Gadget, There is no doubt on my mind that you can call Muth and arrange to have your mirrors shipped to them and they will make it right. It sucks to go through the whole process yourself and not have it work out right, along with the time lost, but it is fixable. Don't toss those mirrors or order new ones from the factory until Muth gets a chance to fix it for you. Mine were extremely tight and actually snapped into the housing during the dry fit. I had to push the glass out by pressing on the LEDs from the back side in order to peel the backing off the tape for the real fit. Now that they are in they look 100% stock, only waaaay cooler. |
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Cruiser
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| Thanks SongFan! I contacted them and sent them off today. I tried and tried to get them to fit but just could NOT do it. I drilled the holes out plenty for the LED's but the mirrors themselves would not snap it place enough to where it would be flush enough for a good bond. I started to dremmel out the frame part but that would have made the mirrors look crapy. Hopefully they can get them installed but now I am worried that I drilled out so much of the backplate that there may not be enough material in the front (LED) part to make a good bond. I guess we'll see... Thanks for the info my friend... I'll keep yall posted!
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Memphis | Here are a couple of lessons learned from my install: - The mirrors are super easy to remove. A black 10mm bolt on the back of the mirror (very camoflaged) and a silver Allen head screw on the top. Jam a rag down in the space below the bolt so it won't fall in a black hole if you drop it. Remove the bolt first. The Allen head screw will be much easier to deal with while you hold the mirror just prior to taking it out. As you pull the mirror out, notice the tab. Don't forget to reset the mirror in this tab when you go to install. You can forget about it and the mirror will bolt into place but it will not adjust properly. - Removing the old glass. I bought a Wagner dual temp heat gun from the paint section at Home Depot for $29. There is a Milwaukee version in the tool section for $69. The cheaper one gets plenty hot. If you want to try and get the old glass out in one piece (I couldn't do it) you will need something extremely thin and flexible. Maybe a slim-jim lock opener or something like that. Plastic putty knives are too thick and metal ones are too stiff. - Dremel - When cutting the hole, make sure there is absolutely no overhang on any part of the LEDs. It might look like you have cleared the main part of the LEDs but there is a small bit of slop around the edges of them. The problem is that this untrimmed part is thicker than the PSA material and if the backing plate is resting on any of the LED module it won't seat on the PSA perfectly. The fit tolerance is so tight that even 1/16th of an inch of extra trimming is unnerving because it goes right up to the very edge of the backing plate. Mine fit but I was trimming like a surgeon near the end. - Wiring - If you have time to order (or know where to find) Posi-Locks I would use them. http://www.posi-lock.com/posiplug.html They are super easy to use and a fantastic product. I don't like the snap clips that come with the mirrors and couldn't find any Posi-Locks in my town so I just soldered the wires. Had I not been in such a hurry for the install I would have ordered some. This was like ordering an '08 Vision. It had never been done before and there are lessons to be learned but it is a great company to deal with and worth any hassles I may have encountered. You will forget all about the pain once they are installed. I used to give about 3 flashes of the blinkers for a lane change but now do 5 or more just because it looks so cool. |
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Central Florida | Tom, again I am NOT standing up for Muth or anything like that but I did NOT run into problems with led cut out.Mine must have been hand made or specially prepared prior to shipping.
the 10 mm nut is a pain in the ass for sure! Glad another person is happy with their setup...
They are especially awesome at night! |
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Iron Butt
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| can someone help, which of the 3 wires going to the front turn signal connector do we use. I assume black is ground, but i dont want to cut into 1 of the other 2 without knowing. I have no tester thanks |
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Visionary
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Memphis | Black is ground. Green is running lights. The blue wires are the turn signals. One side is solid blue, the other side is blue/pink. Soooo close! |
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Tourer
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O'Neill, Nebraska | Question...so I've received a circular patch of 'sticky backed paper' from Muth. What am I to do with it? |
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Visionary
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Memphis | The 4 little pieces around the edge of the Muth glass are not enough to ensure a really good fit. I cut the circle into pie-shaped wedges and filled in the big gaps where the glass would meet the backing plate. Just don't put any of the sticky stuff over the circular "domed" part of the housing. It looks like that part needs to be free to swivel for adjustments. Don't peel the final backing off of any of it until you dry fit the glass to the housing first and make sure it will lay totally flush. |
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Tourer
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O'Neill, Nebraska | Hey guys...I'm going to attempt the install this weekend. When you removed the original mirrors from the backing plate....what's the best way to do this? In my first attempt I believe I overheated the mirrors because it warped the plastic that holds them. I've purchased the blue mirrors so saving the old one's is not a concern.
Any guidance you can provide on how to get the old mirrors out without damaging the backing would be VERY helpful! Many thanks. |
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Tourer
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O'Neill, Nebraska | spursmvp - 2009-04-22 4:43 AM
Hey guys...I'm going to attempt the install this weekend. When you removed the original mirrors from the backing plate....what's the best way to do this? In my first attempt I believe I overheated the mirrors because it warped the plastic that holds them. I've purchased the blue mirrors so saving the old one's is not a concern.
Any guidance you can provide on how to get the old mirrors out without damaging the backing would be VERY helpful! Many thanks.
Any suggestions guys? |
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Anyone else do their Muth install?