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San Antonio, TX | If you can get over the fact that I am not a professional actor, director nor cameraman, here is a video for the middle brake light modification from KansasGuardsman.
Please let me know if I messed it up. If so I will try to correct it and or make it better.
Here is a link to the tech thread.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=2680&pos...
Here is a link to the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-QPAMpVmhw
P.S. I know I need to remove the sticker on my V Panel. It is looking bad around the edges after 11 months of riding. It comes off this weekend.
Edited by radioteacher 2009-06-02 11:40 PM
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Memphis | Hey Paul, Nice job on the Vis-ectomy (snip, snip)! I'll also be making the Kury 4710 mod shortly. Classy opening slide on the video! |
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San Antonio, TX | Tom,
I am going to remake the video in 720p format. Youtube.com likes that format better and it will look better. It will take me some time to redo the video but this is a good start. I am still trying to figure out this video conversion/editing stuff.
Those two snips hurt me more then the Vision. The whole time I was thinking, "Oh my God, what if this breaks something!"
Those are the best pictures I have on the laptop.
I plan on a video for the Kury 4710 mod as well.
Ride Safe!
Edited by radioteacher 2009-06-02 11:54 PM
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San Diego, Ca | Thanks for the video . Will do this mod to my bike and will look foward to the trunk light modification video . |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Paul - great video! It's always good to see some DO the mod. And thanks for plugging the site at the end! Great Job! |
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Huntsville On Canada | Hey Paul great job on the video thanks so much for showing us how easy it is. will be preforming my own Vis-ectomy soon.. Tom |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | Radioteacher; Thanks for the video - KansasGuardsman; Thanks for the mod. |
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Kansas City, Ks | Looks good..
My guess is that Victory turn those lights off to bring more attention to the ones flashing..
Would it overload the circuit to connect the top lights to the middle to make the turn signal more
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Brighton, Colorado | Radioteacher! THANKS!!! They didn't fix it on the '09 either. Now that I know FOR SURE which wires to cut, I'm goin' for it. I can certainly appreciate your consternation when it came time to do the snip!
Edited by Squeak 2009-06-03 12:56 PM
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, FL United States | Good video... I did the 4710 mod on my trunk yesterday... I should have taken pics but I was trying to get out of the sun... |
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San Antonio, TX | Blue Demon,
KansasGuardsman has been running the mod for six months. Without the "blinker on" the brake lights would light anyway. It should not be an issue.
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San Antonio, TX | dr_reloader,
Do you have any notes from the install of the 4710?
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Fargo, ND | Great video, and very simple mod. I'll be snipping my wires "G" & "H" this week as well, thanks Radioteacher. |
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Simi Valley, CA | Great job- This takes the worry out of which wire was it again?
I do have a problem with the color coated ones, I am color blind red and green!
I will be doing the snip this weekend!
Thanks!
Tim
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Kansas City, Ks | radioteacher - 2009-06-03 1:50 PM
Blue Demon,
KansasGuardsman has been running the mod for six months. Without the "blinker on" the brake lights would light anyway. It should not be an issue.
Ride Safe
Oh.. I don't think that the circuit will get overloaded with the cut...
I think that the mod is great, but has stated "More Lights = More Better!"
I was wondering if someone was to make the top 2 lights flashed (per side) vs just the top one to make THOSE more noticable.
Edited by Blue Demon 2009-06-03 3:43 PM
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Montreal, QC Canada | Hey Paul......loved the video - complete with that very nice cat and birds in the background. Ken will do some snippage this weekend. Loved the sfx also.
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Memphis | I wish all six tail lights lit up with the brakes and when you turn your blinkers on, the three on the left or the three on the right side of the "V" would flash while the other side stayed steady. Here's my main beef with the stock set-up: Imagine coming to a 4-way stop and slowing down with a car right on your tail. You hit the brakes and the bottom four bulbs light up. As you stop, you decide you're going to turn right. You turn on your turn signal but don't move. To the tailgaiter behind you, it looks like you just came off the brakes because your middle brake lights just went out. He looks to the left for traffic, creeps up and, crunch, you just got rear-ended. There are a couple of instances related on this forum about Visions getting rear-ended at a full stop. I'm always on guard on my motorcycle at a full stop but I think the Vision brake-light system is confusing to the people behind it. A Tour model has 8 running lights going all the time (with the trunk) and if you turn your blinkers on, the only brake lights available are the bottom two. I've followed some Visions around for a couple of days at a time and trust me, the last place people are looking is at the bottom lights of that bike. I'd rather have two running lights and six brake lights than six running lights and two brake lights. |
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So Cal | I agree, the bottom two lights are very low, something a tailgater would not see. I like the mod. I dont know about snipping though. Maybe just back the terminals out of the connector. |
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SC, Bluffton | Blue Demon - 2009-06-03 12:31 PM
My guess is that Victory turn those lights off to bring more attention to the ones flashing..
I agree. This is why I won't consider this "snip".
SongFan - 2009-06-03 11:25 PM
I wish all six tail lights lit up with the brakes and when you turn your blinkers on, the three on the left or the three on the right side of the "V" would flash while the other side stayed steady. Here's my main beef with the stock set-up: Imagine coming to a 4-way stop and slowing down with a car right on your tail. You hit the brakes and the bottom four bulbs light up. As you stop, you decide you're going to turn right. You turn on your turn signal but don't move. To the tailgaiter behind you, it looks like you just came off the brakes because your middle brake lights just went out. He looks to the left for traffic, creeps up and, crunch, you just got rear-ended.
I completely agree with you on both of those. Shirley  someone will come up with a way to get all 3 on one side to blick while the 3 on the other side stay steady (braked or just running).
Herb
Edited by g1nomad 2009-06-04 2:19 PM
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VA | OK, good video, thank teach. Question, instead of buying this Kurakyn mod kit, has anyone considered trying to find a double filament buld for the trunk, and then using the existing wiring to make the trunk lights act as brake and turn signals? I haven't taken mine apart yet, but I would think that if you could find a replacement double filament buld for the trunk lights, and then tap off the lower lights, you could make the trunk mod without having to buy this 4710 kit. Just curious if anyone else has considered or done this. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'd like to get one of those Bus STOP signs to come up off the trunk lid as I apply the brakes. But in the scheme of things, the more red light is better and the turn is still clearly visible from the rear. The important thing is the slow down part to get them to back off of you. |
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Northeastern Penna. | Great video on the mod. A simple check on whether or not there might be an overload- just
check the amp rating on the fuse for the brakes lights.Divide the the total wattage of the brake lights and turn signal bulb by the 12v system. That will give you the amperage . Anyone have the
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San Antonio, TX | divesharc,
You asked, "Has anyone considered trying to find a double filament build for the trunk?" and the answer is people have looked into it but there is nothing off the shelf for this yet.
Please check out this old thread.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=2287&sta... |
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Wichita, Kansas | It's a 20A fuse. All the bulb info is on the wiring diagram, pg 510, maintenance manual. |
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So Cal | Did the mod friday. Just backed the terminals out of the connector though and taped them up in case I want to change back later.
Edited by cjnoho 2009-06-06 7:45 PM
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San Antonio, TX | cjnoho,
I am glad it worked. I should add that to the video. What did you use to get them out. I have a pin removal tool for small pins. Did you mark the wires G and H?
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Buffalo Grove,Ill | Here's what the NHTSA states about the rear lighting for motorcycles:
Location of Required Equipment
Turn Signals
At or near the front - 1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline at the same height, and having a minimum horizontal separation distance (centerline of lamps) of 16 inches. Minimum edge to edge separation distance between lamp and headlamp is 4 inches.
At or near the rear - 1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height and having a minimum horizontal separation distance (centerline to centerline of lamps) of 9 inches.
Minimum edge to edge separation distance between lamp and tail or stop lamp is 4 inches, when a single stop and tail lamp is installed on the vertical centerline and the turn signal lamps are red.
Tail Lamps
On the rear on the vertical centerline, except if two are used they shall be symmetrically disposed about the vertical centerline.
I'm not sure if this addresses this question, but it's what I've found so far. And by the way, I did the snip on mine yesterday.
Here's a link to the PDF document:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/maninfo/mcpkg002.pdf?cm_sp=Exte...
Edited by clubford00 2009-06-07 10:46 AM
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So Cal | I use a small spring that I have staightend to get into the cavity. Those release tools get bent up too easy, springs are a little stronger, finding a size small enough is the hard part. Cheap ballpoint pen springs are the right size and pretty strong. I didnt mark each wire, although they are both blue, the stripes on them are diffrent colors. Should be no problem matching the up again. |
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| tried doing this to my 09 and the G&H pins are Black and BlackV . Same or is it different on an 09? Thanks |
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San Antonio, TX | Frank,
I am sorry but I do not have a manual for the 09.
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So Cal | I dont think there is an overload issue. Considering that the Vision is the first motorcycle with that many standard lights at the rear. I dont know if it's to comply with a law or just an engineers desire to see if it can be done. Engineers live in their own world.
Edited by cjnoho 2009-06-10 12:41 AM
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Fargo, ND | I just did the mod on mine. HUGE improvement! Thanks, radioteacher. The video made it really easy. I'm going to guess that no matter what color the wires to G & H are, it's still the correct pins for the relay. They may have just used a different color code for some reason. I'm also pretty sure overload isn't an issue. |
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| I just watched the video and plan on doing the mod myself but I think I'll go with pulling the terminals, the last time I was involved with snipping wasn't a pleasent experience and that's all I have to say about that. If you get my drift. Not being an electrician when the subject of overload came up I became a little more concerned about my plans, because, I plan on adding the 4710 mod as well and I just ordered a HichDoc trailer hitch so I'll have trailer lights soon too. I plan on LEDs for the trailer lights but am I going to be getting close to the danger zone with all these extra lights and should I be converting all my bike lighting to LEDs to lighten the load?
By the way, I can't begin to express how much I appreciate the information you guys share on this forum. Being 5 hrs from the closest dealer and having the only Vision around for hundreds of miles I survive on all of your experiences. Thanks guys. |
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San Antonio, TX | Just to be safe, raise the windshield all of the way up before you get started on pin removal, in case the fuse blows while you are removing the pins.
It is easier to replace the fuse when you can get to the fuse panel.
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northwest florida | I know what I'll be doing next weekend. Excelent tutorial. |
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| Hi, did you ever make a video for the 4710 run turn brake controller?  I did like the video for the vision middle brake light modification, that was very useful. Thanks. |
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CALGARY ALBERTA | You the man. Thanks BB |
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San Antonio, TX | Binnov8iv,
I have been stuck outside doing fence work since I got back from Vacation. The dogs next door ripped the phone wires off of the side of my house. Just to slow me down more, the high temperature every day has been between 97 and 105.
Maybe Sunday I will get the time to put in the 4710.
bobbybhb,
You all are welcome. I am glad my rudimentary video skills have helped out.
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Simi Valley, CA | I finally did this mod today.... What took me so long?
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2 mi from Jim Beam n KY | I did mine a few months ago. It works well!!
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Vineland, NJ United States | radioteacher: Thanks for doing the video. I pull a Unigo trailer, which has brake and blinker lights of course. Do you think snipping G and H would have any effect on the trailer lights? |
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San Antonio, TX | First, do NOT clip the wires like I did. Remove the pins from the connector. This is much kinder and can be reversed easier.
It has no effect on the power going to the blinkers. G and H feed a relay when the blinker is on that turns off the center lights by disconnecting the ground wires to the center lights.
If your trailer is wired to the Ground, Brake, Left Turn and Right Turn already removing the G and H pins from the connector should have no effect on the trailer.
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Vineland, NJ United States | much appreciated. How do I "remove" the pins? Do I open up the plastic housing or use needle nose to pull them out....... Thanks ED |
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New York State | I had my Dealer install a Tri-Star XP in my Vision it allows the Victory Trunk Badge to be a Brake light and the two markers become Marker ,Turn,Brake lights.
Works great no loss of Cruise control |
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San Antonio, TX | edsasdelli - 2012-06-05 5:45 PM
much appreciated.? How do I "remove" the pins?? Do I open up the plastic housing or use needle nose to pull them out....... ?Thanks ED
First....Raise the windshield in case you blow a fuse. I have not blown a fuse doing this but it is better to be safe then sorry.
The pins have small tabs on each side of the pin that locks them in place. If you can find a small hollow tube to fit snuggly around the pin to push the tabs in(while pulling on the wire) would be perfect. Small needle nose pliers would be a second choice.
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New Mexico | Done - Thanks!
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Vision Middle Brake Light Modification - Video