Not so pleasant visit to dealer
RedDog
Posted 2009-06-07 9:29 AM (#36193)
Subject: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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   For those who have been following, I have been having issues with my glove box door.  http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3334&posts=13&mid=34133&highlight=glove+box&highlightmode=1&action=search#M34133

         Yesterday I made the 2 hour journey to the dealer to have them look at it.  The shop guy came out to look at it in the parking lot.  I told him once you open it, it is hard to keep closed.  So whats he do,,, he opens it there in the lot.     He fiddles with it to no avail to try and close it.

 

         It irritated me that he opened it there instead of in the shop, because as all of you know it is hard to steer with either your glove box door or fuel door open.  He decides to move the bike to the shop to further investigate with me holding the door down so it does not hit the handlebars.  I did this on my own as he was going to move it with door open, until I said your going to scratch the door.

 

         We get the bike in the shop without incedent and he says he thinks he can fix it, if not he will order a new catch for the door.  I browse around the showroom while he is working on the bike.  He comes out a little while later and says he will have to order the new catch for it.  I said that is fine and I'll make the trip sometime within the next month.

 

           This is under warranty he explained as I knew it would be, and rolled my bike outside.  We are making idle chit chat outside when I notice a nice SCRATCH on my radio trim piece that I had painted!!!  He was not going to tell me!!!  He says I will get you a new one under warranty.  I told him that will not work as I painted this one.  I had him put on there copy about the scratch and we will see where this goes.

           I am completely out of paint, and waiting anxiously about where they want to go from here.  I have  a picture and will post here soon.

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RedDog
Posted 2009-06-07 9:33 AM (#36194 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: RE: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Hopefully this picture will work. 130KB  will not work.  I'll try later.

Edited by RedDog 2009-06-07 9:38 AM
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VisionNWRider
Posted 2009-06-07 11:09 AM (#36202 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Iron Butt

Posts: 639
Tri Cities, WA
post it in gallery?
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cjnoho
Posted 2009-06-07 12:04 PM (#36206 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
I have given up on dealers except for the expensive stuff. My dealers are 40-50 mi. away. Each complaint takes 3 trips. First trip to verify the problem and call Victory. Second trip to take measurements Victory wants. Third trip to try fix Victory suggests. Third trip may not solve the problem. Now, thats 3 trips, 300 mi. and 3 wasted Sat.s. Not to mention gas at over $3 a gallon. The last dealer repair was radio replacement, which took 3 trips. Had no choice on that one so I just kept going back until it was fixed. I bought my own battery from the Honda dealer 2 mi. away. EBC brakes and castrol oil from the local independent MC shop less than a mile away. And Purolator oil filters from Pepboys for $5. The only issue I have left is the gear indicator, the switch was replaced over a year ago with no improvement. Thanks to DWhite, Im convinced the problem is the bolt on the shift drum, as he says. Dealers refuse to listen to me. I asked them to replace the bolt and if it doesnt fix my problem, I'll live with it. Cant do it without Victory's approval. I'll do it my self when I change oil one of these days. Price of the primary gasket $40. Thats 12 gallons of gas I save plus 3+ wasted trips to the dealer and 3 Sat. of riding where I WANT to ride. I have written a letter to Victory and their only response was to send me another survey. The Vision is great but I dont think my next bike will be a Victory. Unless the dealers here change or I move to an area with better dealers.
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varyder
Posted 2009-06-07 6:01 PM (#36214 - in reply to #36206)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I'm fortunate to have a dealer close by so I know if I had too they would take care of the problem. But I'm into the Victory even if there is no dealer close by. Now, with that, my only Victory has been a Vision, but have thought to get a Vegas low. I'm not a dealer person with my cars and I think it has bled over to my bike. I hope to learn enough and have the right tools to do this myself. I would even go to another wrench if necessary.
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RedDog
Posted 2009-06-07 8:55 PM (#36220 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: RE: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Here is the picture.  It is the side of the radio panel, right by the glove box.  Must have been prying with something to scrape it like that.



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cjnoho
Posted 2009-06-07 11:12 PM (#36234 - in reply to #36220)
Subject: RE: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Visionary

Posts: 1324
So Cal
Hard to believe he gave it back and didnt say anything? I would have had more respect for that dealer if he had admitted what happened rather than try to pretend it was there all the time.
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Miles
Posted 2009-06-08 1:43 AM (#36238 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Tourer

Posts: 548
Mount Vernon, WA United States
I just have to ask... Is the Dealer an ATV/Sports dealer as well, or just bikes, just Victory etc..

Humor me... please
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RedRider
Posted 2009-06-08 4:50 AM (#36239 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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I always recommend going over the bike after service. At least until you are confident with their quality. Check the area that was worked on, the area around it and a general walk around.
Good luck.
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Probie
Posted 2009-06-08 7:13 AM (#36246 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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guelph ontario
That dealer should fire the wrench right away. No excuse for that scratch and the attemped cover up. Shame on them and shame on Victory for not getting its shit together and getting better quality dealers. There are a lot of crappy dealers for Victory. I think they are so desperate to get their product out that they are remiss about the dealers. They forget that selling a bike is minor compared to aftermarket service etc. They need to be longer sighted if they want repeat business and referrals. I would rather have fewer dealers that are of high quality so that bikes can be fixed right the first time by competent mechanics. Part of what is described here is a problem for the American industries generally. Quick rewards and profits with little up front thought for long range customer loyality. Thats my rant for today.
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varyder
Posted 2009-06-08 7:47 AM (#36249 - in reply to #36246)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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New Bohemia, VA
Can I remind folks here that Victory has ONLY ONE dealer and that is in New Zealand or Austrailia, I forget where and could be wrong both accounts. What we have here in the states are no more than folks that want to support Victory and hang a big sign that they provide, but each "dealer" is owned and operated by the folks who pays the rent.

That is why Victory gives them the run around as well, and why some owners of the bikes knows just as much or more than their local wrench. So, what fighting chance do we have? I'm going to be my own tech, save those things that I have to go to the local dealer for like elwrencho techno pluggy thing that I couldn't afford to buy nor have authorization to get down loads for.
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ScoreBo
Posted 2009-06-08 11:04 AM (#36266 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Iron Butt

Posts: 1117
Northeast Ohio
Reddog, I noticed you are in Ohio. What dealer did you take it to? Are you around Northeast Ohio like me? If so, I got a dealership for you.
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dr_reloader
Posted 2009-06-08 1:38 PM (#36275 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Tourer

Posts: 537
, FL United States
I wonder what it would take to go to become a Victory Tech?
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dr_reloader
Posted 2009-06-08 1:39 PM (#36276 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Tourer

Posts: 537
, FL United States
I do understand your pain about your local dealer..
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Probie
Posted 2009-06-08 5:55 PM (#36289 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 204
guelph ontario
VA-I am taking my bike for speciality stuff(stuff that I cant do) to a local custom shop. They handle all types of bikes and have a local and national reputation here. R&R Cycles in Guelph. I have total confidence in them and what they do. Unfortunately not so sure about local dealer whoes mechanic was unable to wire up the driving lamps on a seperate circuit-surely basic stuff for a competent mechanic. Dealers cannot survive on sales of bikes alone. Without aftermarket business they will start to get the message.
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RedDog
Posted 2009-06-08 9:23 PM (#36298 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 127
OHIO
Dealer does ATV's also.

I'm not going to bad mouth the dealer,,, yet..... If it does not get fixed to my satisfaction, then my tune will change.

I do all my own wrenching, and wish they would give me the part and I'll do it, but I know they won't do that.

I wonder how much the radio trim piece cost???? I have an idea that I will propose to the dealer, but I need to know the dollar amount of the radio trim piece.

I live in central Ohio.
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ScoreBo
Posted 2009-06-08 9:59 PM (#36302 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Iron Butt

Posts: 1117
Northeast Ohio
If you are up to the trip, take it to Bairs Polaris in North Canton. They will take care of it for you.

Part numbers and exploded views here: http://parts.polarisind.com/Browse/Browse.asp
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Miles
Posted 2009-06-08 10:16 PM (#36303 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 548
Mount Vernon, WA United States
"Dealer does ATV's also. " I figured as much. I found at several dealers that work ATV's and dirt bikes and such... they do so many of those vehicles compared to working on someones motorcycle, that they are just "in a zone." They are so used to wrenching muddy plastic that when presented with a bike (other than a dirt bike) they don't stop... think... "this is someones transportation." It's more than being careful. It's taking off parts like tank and tins and putting them on a shelf away from the work area. It's putting covers on the seats, and bags, or even just washing off the grease before they come and look at your bike. It's not part of the ATV shop culture and.. well it doesn't need to be...... unless they want to work on Motorcycles too.
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mgoblue
Posted 2009-06-09 4:12 AM (#36304 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 177
I agree with the crap dealer issue, the one that actually cared and took care of me Devries Sales in Portage Mi. ,a legacy dealer lost there factory backing cecause the market sucks. Polaris wanted them to order 80-90 some vechels, good luck when you still have 06,07,08 and 09's. The 2 other one's within 60 miles suck. They are no help with anything. They wanted to keep my bike for 7-10 days to warrenty a "blueing" tip.
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RedDog
Posted 2009-06-14 9:28 AM (#36652 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: RE: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 127
OHIO

A little update for those following this thread.

  Dealership was supposed to call me to let me know warranty part was in, but did not.  I finally called them Thursday and it was in.  I ask what are we going to do about the scratch on the bike,,,  owners son says ride it up so I can take a look at it.  But before talk of me riding it up, they were telling me that maybe it was (flakey paint) on the bike!!  I thought I was going to loose it!!  Awful convienant it is flakey paint right in the area they were working and nowhere else.

 

  I make the 2 hour drive there, and owners son comes out and looks at it.  He offers me 2 options: touch up paint with a brush, or a spray can!!  I said neither of those is going to work.  I told him I want a quart of paint and I'll fix it myself.  He says it does not need a quart to fix, and I said I know that, but a quart is as small amount as you can get.  He then offers to go halfs on the quart, and I tell him no as I feel I should not have to spend one cent on this.

 

  In the meantime my friend and his wife are inside the dealership getting a price on a gray vision.  I do not think they were going to buy right away, but are very very interested in one.  I tell the owners son this, and he says I've heard that one before!!  After he said that I went inside and told my friend not to buy from here and out we went.

   Dealership did offer to take panel and have one of there local bodyshops try to paint match.  I said I am not leaving my bike here for you to try to paint match.

  There tech is saying he did not do it, and I am saying he did do it!!

  My wife is furious about the whole deal!!  She will be contacting our attorney, Polaris, and the better business bureau.

 

    This dealership is going to lose me for good,,, all over a quart of paint, after I have spent more than $20,000 dollars, and have a friend who is wanting to buy a Vision.

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kevinx
Posted 2009-06-14 7:11 PM (#36691 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Visionary

Posts: 1340
Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators
In the picture I see a missing piece of paint that looks like it was not prepped properly, and not bonding to the plastic. Did you say that you painted it??
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RedDog
Posted 2009-06-14 8:46 PM (#36699 - in reply to #36691)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 127
OHIO

kevinx - 2009-06-14 7:11 PM In the picture I see a missing piece of paint that looks like it was not prepped properly, and not bonding to the plastic. Did you say that you painted it??

     No I did not paint it myself.  A local body shop did it that I am good friends with the owners.  They have done everything from bikes to tractor trailers.  I know you want to stand up for your tech buddies, but bike was fine before going into shop. 

      Door still will not lock.

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DannyB
Posted 2009-06-14 9:54 PM (#36707 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: RE: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Tourer

Posts: 554
2 mi from Jim Beam n KY

RedDog, I know its a haul, but Victory of Louisville is a good shop.

My son lives in Dayton. He treid to buy a Hammer at several dealers in Ohio. They gave him the run around. He came to Louisville and bought his Hammer S from Victory Of L. They even delivered it to Dayton for him!!  Straight deal, no BS.

 

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mgoblue
Posted 2009-06-15 12:25 AM (#36716 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: RE: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Cruiser

Posts: 177
Sounds like chalk up another satisfied customer who leaves a Victory dealership. I feel your pain buddy, the only dealer i liked is no longer a Vic dealer. Good luck with your attorney. i wish you the best.
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kevinx
Posted 2009-06-15 3:37 PM (#36762 - in reply to #36699)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Visionary

Posts: 1340
Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators
RedDog - 2009-06-14 8:46 PM

kevinx - 2009-06-14 7:11 PM In the picture I see a missing piece of paint that looks like it was not prepped properly, and not bonding to the plastic. Did you say that you painted it??

     No I did not paint it myself.  A local body shop did it that I am good friends with the owners.  They have done everything from bikes to tractor trailers.  I know you want to stand up for your tech buddies, but bike was fine before going into shop. 

      Door still will not lock.



I am not defending anybody, and if you have paid attention you will have noted that I call a spade a spade all the time. I do not defend stupid people.

That said it is plainly visible that the paint did not bond correctly to the surface, and thus it would not take mach at all to make the paint come off. Bring it by the guy that painted it in the first place, and I'll bet he agrees. Yes it may have been caused by the mechanic, but looking at it I would say that it was only a matter of time before it happened

You have also made it abundently clear that you do your own work, and your dealer made only the money of the sale off of you. That would make it hard for him to justify giving you $200 worth of Victory paint to repair a quarter sized spot. If you were in the same position what would you do?? I also read that he offered to have it fixed at a shop of his choice, or to split the cost of the paint. Either of those were reasonable options and would have resulted in a repaired bike for no small expense to the dealer.
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Tarpits99
Posted 2009-06-15 5:34 PM (#36790 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Iron Butt

Posts: 742
North Orange County CA
I spent 10 years working in the "coatings industry"; I can tell you from personal experience that aluminum is one of the most difficult surfaces there is to coat/paint/print and achieve adequate adhesion and a durable finish.

The process for cleaning, and priming is multi-step and involves a couple of different etching chemicals, flushing with water to remove the chemicals, drying and priming must occur within a very small time window to prevent oxidation from occurring.

If the parts were not pre-treated properly then primed with a primer/bonder then it is likely that you have very limited adhesion.

A quick test that you can perform yourself (since the part is already ruined) is a cross hatch tape test.

Using an xacto knife cut through the surface of the paint in perpendicular lines about 1/16 of an inch apart. (Like a tic tac toe game ) this will create a whole bunch of little 1/16 of an inch squares in the paint. Take standard transparent tape and apply it to the cut area and rub it down (leave enough tape free on the end to grab) and then yank it off.

If the coating has proper adhesion the only color that should come off attached to the tape will be in the form of a mirror image of the knife cuts. If you remove any of the little squares that you have created by making the cuts then you have an adhesion failure.


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RedDog
Posted 2009-06-15 9:04 PM (#36812 - in reply to #36762)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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OHIO

I am not defending anybody, and if you have paid attention you will have noted that I call a spade a spade all the time. I do not defend stupid people. That said it is plainly visible that the paint did not bond correctly to the surface, and thus it would not take mach at all to make the paint come off. Bring it by the guy that painted it in the first place, and I'll bet he agrees. Yes it may have been caused by the mechanic, but looking at it I would say that it was only a matter of time before it happened You have also made it abundently clear that you do your own work, and your dealer made only the money of the sale off of you. That would make it hard for him to justify giving you $200 worth of Victory paint to repair a quarter sized spot. If you were in the same position what would you do?? I also read that he offered to have it fixed at a shop of his choice, or to split the cost of the paint. Either of those were reasonable options and would have resulted in a repaired bike for no small expense to the dealer.

 

  Paint must have really made a jump in price if it is $200 now!!

 

  Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling you do not like anybody working on Victory bikes besides techs.  From cars, trucks, and tractors, I have never went back to the dealer for service.  Much cheaper this way, and you know exactly what was done.

  He did offer to have a shop there fix it, but I am not leaving my bike there with him as he wanted!!  He eyeballed it very close and never once did he mention bad adhesive.

 

  To others:  I appreciate the responses.

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kevinx
Posted 2009-06-16 6:05 AM (#36834 - in reply to #36812)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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RedDog - 2009-06-15 9:04 PM
  Paint must have really made a jump in price if it is $200 now!!

 

  Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling you do not like anybody working on Victory bikes besides techs. 

Again if you read my posts you will find that you are dead wrong. I think it is great that people work on their own stuff. As long as they do a competant job, and do not blame their mistakes on the bike. Now before you say it. I am not insinuating that you made a mistake.
As to the price on the paint I based that on my past expieriance for the primer, base, and clear coats

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donetracey
Posted 2009-06-16 2:55 PM (#36870 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
BULLETIN !!! This JUST IN !!!
An E-Mail from VICTORY today has a Screaming Headline: Victory Motorcycles Has 95% Ownership Satisfaction

I recently filled in a Questionaire from Victory about this and sent it in. The results are in from hundreds of Victory owners - 95% Happy.

Details on the poll can be found on the Polaris/Victory web site

And yes - I believe their results - based on my dealer and my experiences with them.
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cw1115
Posted 2009-06-16 3:06 PM (#36873 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Visionary

Posts: 1290
Ruskin, Fl
I got the same e-mail. I have no problem with my dealer.
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victory rider
Posted 2009-06-16 3:21 PM (#36874 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: RE: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 43
No complaints with my dealer In Northwest In. Way to go to Bill &his staff at Maxium Motorsports
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Miles
Posted 2009-06-16 5:47 PM (#36882 - in reply to #36193)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


Tourer

Posts: 548
Mount Vernon, WA United States
RedDog and Kevinx, time to take it offline.

Without getting in the middle I would highly suggest as Kevenx suggested, taking it to the shop that painted it and show them. One of two things will result. They will either agree that it was mishandled, be able to fix it nicely and provide you with a bill that you can than proceed to other channels with. They may even support your efforts and give you 30 to 60 days. An invoice from a pro paintshop is a useful item. The other option is that as it looks in the picture, there was a flaw in the sealer. It happens. It's not anyone's fault really. It can be caused by everything from an inopportune breeze to a little no-see-em that flys in, to a bubble, to a minor imperfection on the part.. the list goes on... It happens all the time.

Bottom line... You'll get it fixed, you'll get a real quote, you may or may not have to pay for it. None of this will change arguing with Kevin, the tech that may have caused the problem, or anyone else.
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mgoblue
Posted 2009-06-17 2:30 AM (#36918 - in reply to #36870)
Subject: Re: Not so pleasant visit to dealer


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Posts: 177
You are all very lucky to have good dealers. I am very jealous of you guys. Yeah but i have a problem with surveys conducted by the company who is selling the product and also doing the survey. Obviously there not going to put in the bullshit that alot of us put up with. Once again, I LOVE there bikes, i just HATE there dealer network in the MI. area.
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