Get well soon! - Vision crash video
radioteacher
Posted 2009-09-15 9:28 AM (#44016)
Subject: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
By now many of you have seen the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iC14h-i3Ns


This is one our fellow Vision Riders that has contributed in these forums.

Get well soon! I look forward to your full recovery!

If you get a chance, please post to let us know how you are doing.


On a personal note, I would like to thank you and Fergy for posting the video. This had to be a difficult decision but everyone can all learn from these type of events. In the end, I hope to be a better rider because of this video.

So in the end, thanks again for helping me stay safe out there.

Take Care,
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Mfoster
Posted 2009-09-15 9:53 AM (#44017 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 205
I agree. Sorry to see it. Hope you are healing well. Accidents happen, that is why they call them accidents. I look forward to words of advice from you as you de-brief this later.

hope you heal up and move on. Thanks for posting it, you have helped people.
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Dimonback
Posted 2009-09-15 10:27 AM (#44020 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 127
I've been told it's the wrong way to do it, but I consider crashing every time I throw the leg over. I play this type of video in my head, and remember the damages from the day I was hit by a car on my mountain bike. It tends to keep me from doing stupid things, and sharpens my concentration.
Best wishes to the crashed V rider, and hope you're back on board shortly.
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Breaker
Posted 2009-09-15 11:15 AM (#44021 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Iron Butt

Posts: 732
Western WA
I hope he wasn't hurt too badly, and that he makes a speedy and full recovery.

That was a tough video to watch.

I'll be interested to know what caused the accident. I couldn't tell if the roadway was bad, or his bike just went into a wobble. Hopefully he'll post when he's able.

EDIT:

Just read the other thread where it seems the consensus is he was hard on the front brake. If that is the case it explains the 'what' but not the 'why'. Guess we will have to wait for the rider to post after he recovers.

Edited by Breaker 2009-09-15 11:26 AM
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trailbarge
Posted 2009-09-15 11:19 AM (#44023 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 363
Goldsboro, NC
I've watched it 5 times and I can't tell what he did wrong.

The best guess I have is that although he was doing okay for the road in general, there was a dip that started an oscillation.

Corrections? attaboys? Can anyone tell me more about what happened here?

thanks
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Trekwolf164
Posted 2009-09-15 11:24 AM (#44025 - in reply to #44023)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Iron Butt

Posts: 965
New York State
Sorry to see anyone go down but it looked to me like Rider and bike were not very badly damaged. I to watched a few times flat tire ?

Hope your recovery is quick
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DesertJim
Posted 2009-09-15 11:29 AM (#44027 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 496
Scottsdale AZ
I hope he has a full recovery. Its not much fun to watch a crash, but, it is a reality check when we think it won't happen to us.
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crash-bar
Posted 2009-09-15 12:10 PM (#44031 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 88
Am I wrong I saw a fellow vision rider just drive by with out stoping what the hell it should not matter what kind of bike you drive if he is a fellow biker and needs help you should give at anytime that could be you on the floor like that. I hope you have a full recovery and back up ridding again soon GOD bless
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VisionNWRider
Posted 2009-09-15 12:39 PM (#44033 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Iron Butt

Posts: 639
Tri Cities, WA
Wow I to cant figure out went wrong either. I watched it over and over as well. Just Glad that rider was ok and not really hurt. The bike can be fixed easily but the body is harder to fix overall. I wont even go into those others who passed him becasue It would come out as very nasty post so i will keep that to myself. Glad your ok bud.
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ROBSMST
Posted 2009-09-15 1:11 PM (#44037 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 52
San Jose, CA
My wishes for a speedy recovery and thank God and wasn't any worse.

Prior to reading any threads I concluded the front break grab must have locked up the front wheel. From reading this thread it seems that the front break must have had something to do with it. I'm glad ABS will be an option. I'm not trading in mine any time soon but I do wish I had ABS and glad future folks have that option.

One has to practice rear break/rear break/rear break whenever in lean/turn etc. If the bike is not straight or expected to go straight, think about how much front break pressure should be applied if any at all prior to applying pressure. I'm not about to start a big debate on the use of the front break. Personally, I try to only use it when completely upright and expecting to stay that way. If leaning or turning and I need to slow, I use the rear break only if possible. If I need to slow down in a turn to stop, I put the bike upright and use both breaks. Well this is what I practice anyhow but you never know how you will react in an actual emergency.

Be safe everyone!
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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2009-09-15 3:45 PM (#44042 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Fountain Inn, SC United States
The info that accompanies the video mentions a pole hitting the left front of the bike. I played it several times but have not been able to see anything hit the bike. All of us at Vision-Riders wish you a speedy recovery.

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Crawford
Posted 2009-09-15 4:14 PM (#44043 - in reply to #44042)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 340
Regina Saskatchewan Canada
As near as I can tell he was doing close to 80mph and as you can see in the picture the posted speed for the curve was 35mph. You can see the road marker in the second picture not a pole hitting the left hand side of the motorcycle and the driver's face. To me it looks like a lack of experience more than anything that caused the bike to go down. The wobble looks totally recoverable, he just had to lean it harder into the curve. Instead he panicked, wouldn't lean any harder and instead took it off the road and laid it down.

I don't know how many times I have watched this video. I really feel bad for this person and my hopes are for a fast and complete recovery.

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radioteacher
Posted 2009-09-15 5:23 PM (#44046 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
At 39 seconds the road marker makes an impact. Just below the camera. Look how much the camera moved in less then a second.

If it was not for this impact he would have dusted off and continued on down the road.

He really needs our support right now and good wishes.

Take care.


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Spock
Posted 2009-09-15 6:34 PM (#44051 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

Thanks for all the well wishes you all. It was me that went down.  According to the GPS tacks I was going 76 mph and for some reason when I braked for this turn the rear tire started to skid which has never happened before on me except in extreme panic stop practices.

Here is what I think happened. I was braking with the rear brake as I do going into a turn and usually through a turn. I applied front brake and may have given too much front brake but got a lot of dive on the bike as you can see in the video, more than I have ever gotten before.  When the front dived this much there was a lot of weight transferred to the front and off the rear tire which allowed the rear tire to skid and break loose and the tank slapping started. In a corner it is really hard to recover from a tank slapper. I was then headed for the ditch and the first reflector pole which I swerved to miss and did but then started going sideways in the gravel and then over on the tip-over protectors. I was then sliding towards the second reflector pole which I could not avoid.

If I would have not hit this reflector pole I would have not gotten hurt at all and the bike would have been fine to continue on the trip. The tip-over protectors worked awesome and are really designed well.

What did I do wrong? I could have been going slower. I shouldn’t have braked as hard as I did. I think I was taking in the scenery and the corner surprised me and I over reacted. I could have just let up on the gas, braked lightly and counter steered around the corner.

Before going on the trip I was complaining to my dealer and had a conversation with Kevinx about what I thought was an excessive amount of dive in the front forks as well as a lack of damping compared to what a new Vision has.

I have just over 38,000 miles on the Vision in just 18 months and have been riding since I was 9. I have put over 160,000 miles on a bike in just the last 8 years. I ride aggressive and have never had an incident on a street bike, not even in a parking lot.

My thoughts; I will probably go with ABS brakes on my next Vision. I am looking into purchasing a Traxxion suspension upgrade for my front forks on the Vision. I will slow down some. I am really glad I was riding a Vision as Vision really protected me and the bike. I would have hated to have this wreck on any of my other bikes.

I first thought I should have had a full face helmet to further protect my face but the doctor in the emergency room that stitched my face up and has seen a lot of motorcycle wrecks said the full face helmet might had been a lot worse. He said the pole would have shattered the plastic and with 1 to 2 inches of room in front of the face the pole would have driven those sharp pieces of plastic into the face and it could have been much worse.

I have a fractured left shoulder and 10 stiches under my left eye with some more cuts at the bridge of the nose and on top of the left eye. The pole hit me across the face and went in between my left arm and side. The pole drove my sunglasses frame into my cheek bones and bridge of the nose.

The worst part is not being able to ride for 8 to 10 weeks while my shoulder heals. The bike will probably be ready in another week or two.
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DesertJim
Posted 2009-09-15 6:46 PM (#44052 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 496
Scottsdale AZ
Spock -Thanks for the report! It was good for us to know the details that could possibly help all of us given a similar situation. I know several, me included, were curious as to the situation you encountered. Do you think the ABS would have had a more positive effect?

Hope you can get back on the road soon!
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SongFan
Posted 2009-09-15 6:47 PM (#44053 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Thanks for the update Craig.  So glad it wasn't any worse.  Really sobering to watch.  When I think about some of the roads I've been on and close calls I've had it's easy to put myself in your shoes. 

It took a lot of guts to put that video out there for all to see but it will hopefully make us all better riders.  I look forward to riding with you someday.

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Spock
Posted 2009-09-15 7:18 PM (#44054 - in reply to #44052)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

DesertJim - 2009-09-15 5:46 PM Spock -Thanks for the report! It was good for us to know the details that could possibly help all of us given a similar situation. I know several, me included, were curious as to the situation you encountered. Do you think the ABS would have had a more positive effect? Hope you can get back on the road soon!

 I do think the VBS brakes would have helped and I will get them on the next Vision I buy.

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Spock
Posted 2009-09-15 7:22 PM (#44055 - in reply to #44053)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX
SongFan - 2009-09-15 5:47 PM

Thanks for the update Craig.  So glad it wasn't any worse.  Really sobering to watch.  When I think about some of the roads I've been on and close calls I've had it's easy to put myself in your shoes. 

It took a lot of guts to put that video out there for all to see but it will hopefully make us all better riders.  I look forward to riding with you someday.

Thanks SongFan and I hope I have an opportunity to ride with you soon as well. I had just gotten the video camera and mounted it on the helmet so it was just in time to capture this life event.

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etspastimes
Posted 2009-09-15 7:57 PM (#44057 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 388
Salisbury, NC
Spock, Glad to hear that it was not as bad as it could have been. Still bad enough as it was. Well wishes on the speedy recovery. If there is anything you need that I could help with, drop me a line. Otherwise, my prayers are with you. ET

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Spock
Posted 2009-09-15 8:18 PM (#44058 - in reply to #44057)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

Here are a few more pictures of and after the wreck. Kevin Ferguson and Bruce Bricker who were riding with me, Kevin was in front and Bruce in back of me. One of the funny things that happened was that after sitting up after the wreck you can see me pushing the mic button on the CB control on the handle bar to tell them I was down. Kevin came back, “what do you mean you are down you are talking on the CB” I replied I am down believe me.

In the video it looks like the bikes and cars went by an never stopped but they had to either park a little further down the road or turn around to park safely.



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smadge
Posted 2009-09-15 8:31 PM (#44059 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 125
Kerrville Texas ( now a homeowner on six acres)
Spock,

Glad uou are doing OK,(in a manner of speaking) Hope you have a speedy recovery. I appreciate the narrative and believe it will help me and many others in our future riding.
My wife and I winter in Texas (Kerrville) and hope we can link up for a ride in the near future.
Our prayers are with you and hope all else is well with you.

Smadge
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Carolina Tom
Posted 2009-09-15 8:44 PM (#44061 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 83
Lexington, North Carolina
Wow, tough to watch. Spock, thanks for sharing the life experience and I hope you have a speedy recovery.
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HeyChessieFetchItUp
Posted 2009-09-15 8:57 PM (#44063 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 33
Heal fast! Glad you came out of this without worse.
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Spock
Posted 2009-09-15 9:02 PM (#44064 - in reply to #44059)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

smadge - 2009-09-15 7:31 PM Spock, Glad uou are doing OK,(in a manner of speaking) Hope you have a speedy recovery. I appreciate the narrative and believe it will help me and many others in our future riding. My wife and I winter in Texas (Kerrville) and hope we can link up for a ride in the near future. Our prayers are with you and hope all else is well with you. Smadge

Thanks smadge, we were in Kerrville the day before this wreck on Sunday. I really like that area and I would love to meet up with you and ride the great roads down there.

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STARSHIP 1
Posted 2009-09-15 9:06 PM (#44065 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 137
Houston, Texas
Wishing a speedy recovery, thankfully it wasn't any worse.



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clubford00
Posted 2009-09-15 9:16 PM (#44066 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 301
Buffalo Grove,Ill
Glad your going to be ok man.
I also watched it many times and just before the wobble is a definite depression in the road. Since you were on the brakes as you say, after the dip the suspension came up and the brakes locked. At that point you were along for the ride.
Last night i had my Vision to 110 mph with no wobble. But after seeing this i think i will re think the triple digits on the speedo.
Get well soon .
Dean
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radioteacher
Posted 2009-09-15 9:21 PM (#44069 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
Craig,

Thank goodness that you will be healing up soon. When I first saw the video I was thinking the worst.

I have locked up my back tire three times in the past year. It gets really exciting when that happens to a 900 pound bike. I have been lucky. All of the lockups have happened below 40 mph on straight roads.

The next time you guys come down to San Antonio or the Hill Country please let me know so we can meet up. I have plenty of vacation days this year and need to burn through them before December ends.

P.S. Thanks for posting the video. The video will help other riders. I am betting the Victory engineers would like to see it as well.

When I looked through the video I did not see any Sheetrock on the side of the road. I knew then that was not "pollolittle" with his Sheetrock seeking Vision.

Take care and heal soon!!!

Paul
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Crawford
Posted 2009-09-15 9:38 PM (#44070 - in reply to #44063)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 340
Regina Saskatchewan Canada
I'm glad Spock that you are OK and only have a few cuts and abrasions that will heal with time and a little care and love.

For the rest of us here are my thoughts on curves and cornering. I know I can handle a curve with little drama doing 20 - 30 mph over the posted curve speed. If there is no posted speed then the speed of the curve is the speed of the highway. Going through the curve you should be gradually rolling on the throttle not braking and if for some unseen reason you have to brake after you are leaned into the curve it should be with both brakes for maximum braking power to avoid sliding out the rear wheel. The trick is to go into the curve cold and come out hot. Do all your braking before the curve while you are still vertical not in the curve when you are leaned over. You have way more control under power than you do braking and powering through a curve maximizes your lean angle . . . . power through the curve.

My rule of thumb on unfamiliar roads to go into the curve 20 mph over the posted. If that feels to slow I increase to 25 over posted on the next and so on until I find a rhythm I am comfortable with on that highway. If you find yourself panicking in mid corner and snapping off the throttle and/or braking, it's a message you didn't decelerate enough before entering the curve.
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donetracey
Posted 2009-09-15 9:38 PM (#44071 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
Watching the video as Spock struggled to get up - I damn near cried as I felt the pain he must be in. Glad to hear he will be well, and live long and prosper.
Thanks for sharing and once I am over my nightmares, I will learn from his pain - as I am sure all of us will.
And thanks to all of you who took the time to analyse the video to document possible causes - this is good work and will benefit us all.

Craig, heal quickly and ride!
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elvis441
Posted 2009-09-15 10:20 PM (#44076 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 170
Houston, TX
We all take it on the chin at some point. Glad to hear you're OK spock.

Ride Long and Prosper...

Edited by elvis441 2009-09-15 10:25 PM
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varyder
Posted 2009-09-15 10:32 PM (#44077 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
glad it was no worse spock. hope you'll get all that stuff you want to do with the vision during your recovery.
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VisionTex
Posted 2009-09-16 7:15 AM (#44090 - in reply to #44077)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx.
Spock, really glad your going to be ok, and will be back riding soon. Thanks for posting the video, it is hard to watch, but it is also good to watch, brings everything back into perspective. Would be happy to go with you back to Big Bend to ride 170.
On the front forks, I know when the dealer did the 30k service on my forks they really made an improvement, way less dive when braking.
Take care.
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Dimonback
Posted 2009-09-16 8:15 AM (#44091 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 127
Spock, thanks for the explanation- I watched it many times trying to find what, if anything, you had done wrong- without success. My wife started to get nervous about it when I explained that there wasn't any obvious action precipitating the wobble. Then I showed her that the Vision was still on the tipovers, and that calmed her down a lot. As you say, on any other bike....
Hope you're back on that horse soon.
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amessen
Posted 2009-09-16 8:18 AM (#44092 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 271
Belding Michigan
Thanks for the posting it made me very aware of things last night when I went out for a spin. Braking before the curve and coming out hot was what kept me from smucking a baby deer last night. At that moment I thought about the vidieo and was glad that I was on the alert. Hope you heal quick and glad that you are doing OK. Archie
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pollolittle
Posted 2009-09-16 9:08 AM (#44095 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
Spock, you've been on here about as long as I have, I've read quite a bit about yours and Fergy's high energy runs. OUCH! My head always spins when I hear about another outing you guys have had running high double and triple digit runs. OUCH! I like to get up there, I just can't seem to keep it up there. OUCH! I don't have a set of CAJONES that large. OUCH! I would love to see what this bike could do on a closed course, but I don't know if I would still have a set big enough to test the limits of the bike.

So have you had the forks maintenanced, and if so, does it not put it back to stock bounce. OUCH! May have to check out the Traxxion suspension upgrade! Still OUCH!

The still frame with the mile marker and arm on one side and helmet on the other. OUCH! Hope it all goes back together in the right places.
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pollolittle
Posted 2009-09-16 10:13 AM (#44097 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 2027
Brighton, TN
radioteacher - "When I looked through the video I did not see any Sheetrock on the side of the road. I knew then that was not "pollolittle" with his Sheetrock seeking Vision." OOOOHHHHHHHHHH, AAAWWWWWWW! Such a memory, however, mine fortunately, never made it onto its side. Had that been me, I would have just took into the dirt and rode it like a dirt bike. That's how I ROLL! Now, that would have made for a video, of sliding across, then going through the ditch and then jumping back up on the road. YEEHAW!! Spock, did you even let it cross your mind to ride it through the ditch. Just curious!
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Travelin Man
Posted 2009-09-16 10:31 AM (#44098 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Iron Butt

Posts: 721
Spock,

Hoping you have a speedy recovery, shoulder injuries can be a bear to get healed up from!

Not to diminish my concern for your personal recovery, could you tell us what kind of damage happened to you Vision? Did it need to be towed or was someone else able to ride it to a repair/storage location?
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ibking
Posted 2009-09-16 11:09 AM (#44099 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 8
That was a must see video if only to make you think about your own riding habits and/or the lack of skills we all have as riders. I have done the same thing about 6 years ago. I was going into a turn too hot hit the brakes hard the bike stood up and off in the dirt I went off rode, the ABS saved me from going down. This not a plug for ABS I have had many bikes after and did not get the ABS. The point is I would not have gone off rode if I did not panic and I could have made that turn if I would have just leaned over more. I was lucky there was a dirt run off and not a wall. As far as the oscillation go's on the Vision I could not make the Vision oscillate for the life of me. I got the bike up to 90 and hit the bars and wiggle the bars and try to get it to oscillate but on go. The frame on the Vision is so rigid the could not get it to flex at all. Try this on other bikes and you'll see what I mean.

Spock will get all healed up and be a better rider, yes he'll still ride hard and fast as ever, it's in his blood. The next time he pushes it hard into the corner he'll remember the video he was in. You see I too ride, just like Spock and I'll remember his video.

IBKING

Edited by ibking 2009-09-16 11:12 AM
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trailbarge
Posted 2009-09-16 11:15 AM (#44100 - in reply to #44051)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 363
Goldsboro, NC
Spock - 2009-09-15 7:34 PM
I applied front brake and may have given too much front brake but got a lot of dive on the bike as you can see in the video, more than I have ever gotten before.  When the front dived this much there was a lot of weight transferred to the front and off the rear tire which allowed the rear tire to skid and break loose and the tank slapping started. In a corner it is really hard to recover from a tank slapper.

I watched the moment before the wobble about 20 times in a row. What I originally thought was a dip in the road is probably the dive you are talking about. If so, then that was truly a lot of dive. I'd have someone check that, if possible. I'm trying to come up with a way that I can have my dealer check mine, just in case.

Well wishes and thank you for starting this thread and posting the followup. It is a great heads-up and lesson learned.
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ElroyJ
Posted 2009-09-16 11:57 AM (#44104 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 460
Centennial, CO
Spock...glad you are good! Go forth Number 1 and get your ship out there, fight the good fight and win! BTW - My other road name is Shatner! LMAO!

All,

I read through ALL of the posts so far and there is one glaring thing that I never heard mentioned. Yes, everyone mentioned the posts on the road. However, one thing to keep in mind and the thing that Spock did do was try to avoid the first one. Of course, the 2nd was another story.

PLEASE keep in mind that any posts on the side of the road will tear a car in half giving the correct circumstances. That being said, PLEASE avoid these at all cost (trees and other near non-movable objects too!).

Why do I say this so directly? I have a buddy that has been an EMT for many years now. Many times he has told me about yet another rider that didn't respect the grip (not a dig at Spock at all) and was riding WAY outside their limits. They hit a post and severed a limb. In one bad case, a head.

He explained in no uncertain terms that these posts are must like a hot knife through butter. I asked about the square ones that is prevalent in the video and he told me at that time that it didn't matter. Its a post and it will rip and tear things more than you can imagine.

So, with that above, I am EXTREMELY glad the 2nd post only caused minimal damage. Spock, I am SO glad you were wearing a helmet or we may not be able to say, GET WELL SOON and GET BACK ON AND RIDE LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW!

I too watched the video and could not believe how well the bike handled a bad situation (when it left the pavement). I wondered if the bike was actually sitting on you at one point because it seemed to take forever for you to get up. When you did get up, I was glad you had your wits about you in order to make a radio call!
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Minnow
Posted 2009-09-16 12:04 PM (#44105 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 143
Sparta, WI
Down but not out. Good luck to you and thanks for sharing the video.
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Spock
Posted 2009-09-16 2:55 PM (#44109 - in reply to #44098)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

Travelin' Man - 2009-09-16 9:31 AM Spock, Hoping you have a speedy recovery, shoulder injuries can be a bear to get healed up from! Not to diminish my concern for your personal recovery, could you tell us what kind of damage happened to you Vision? Did it need to be towed or was someone else able to ride it to a repair/storage location?

Most of the damage to the Vision was caused by the reflector pole. We had the bike towed but with a little work it could have been ridden. The left front tip-over protector got pushed up and it pushed the floor board up to the gear shifter so you could not shift the bike. We could have used a hammer, rock or come-a-long to straighten it out enough to shift and rode the bike. If I had someone to ride the bike we probably would have done that.

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Spock
Posted 2009-09-16 3:10 PM (#44111 - in reply to #44099)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


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Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

ibking - 2009-09-16 10:09 AM That was a must see video if only to make you think about your own riding habits and/or the lack of skills we all have as riders. I have done the same thing about 6 years ago. I was going into a turn too hot hit the brakes hard the bike stood up and off in the dirt I went off rode, the ABS saved me from going down. This not a plug for ABS I have had many bikes after and did not get the ABS. The point is I would not have gone off rode if I did not panic and I could have made that turn if I would have just leaned over more. I was lucky there was a dirt run off and not a wall. As far as the oscillation go's on the Vision I could not make the Vision oscillate for the life of me. I got the bike up to 90 and hit the bars and wiggle the bars and try to get it to oscillate but on go. The frame on the Vision is so rigid the could not get it to flex at all. Try this on other bikes and you'll see what I mean. Spock will get all healed up and be a better rider, yes he'll still ride hard and fast as ever, it's in his blood. The next time he pushes it hard into the corner he'll remember the video he was in. You see I too ride, just like Spock and I'll remember his video. IBKING

Thanks Joe,

The Vision is rock solid and I have never gotten it to oscillate until now. The oscillation was caused by huge transfer of weight to the front wheel and the rear tire loosing traction and skidding while cornering. Any bike will do this under these circumstances.

The front suspension now that it has over 38,000 miles on it even though I had the fork oil changed at 31,000 miles it still dives a lot more than a new Vision and the dampening of the front suspension is not what it used to be. I am thinking of having Traxxion in Atlanta, GA do a custom front suspension for the Vision to give it much better ride and handling characteristics.

I agree in that I could have made the corner without heavy braking and just applied strong counter steering but I was caught off guard, taking in the scenery, panicked, and applied to much front brake too fast. If my front suspension was like new and I had ABS brakes I think I would have been regardless of my actions.

I hope none of you do what I did.

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Spock
Posted 2009-09-16 3:26 PM (#44112 - in reply to #44104)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

ElroyJ - 2009-09-16 10:57 AM Spock...glad you are good! Go forth Number 1 and get your ship out there, fight the good fight and win! BTW - My other road name is Shatner! LMAO! All, I read through ALL of the posts so far and there is one glaring thing that I never heard mentioned. Yes, everyone mentioned the posts on the road. However, one thing to keep in mind and the thing that Spock did do was try to avoid the first one. Of course, the 2nd was another story. PLEASE keep in mind that any posts on the side of the road will tear a car in half giving the correct circumstances. That being said, PLEASE avoid these at all cost (trees and other near non-movable objects too!). Why do I say this so directly? I have a buddy that has been an EMT for many years now. Many times he has told me about yet another rider that didn't respect the grip (not a dig at Spock at all) and was riding WAY outside their limits. They hit a post and severed a limb. In one bad case, a head. He explained in no uncertain terms that these posts are must like a hot knife through butter. I asked about the square ones that is prevalent in the video and he told me at that time that it didn't matter. Its a post and it will rip and tear things more than you can imagine. So, with that above, I am EXTREMELY glad the 2nd post only caused minimal damage. Spock, I am SO glad you were wearing a helmet or we may not be able to say, GET WELL SOON and GET BACK ON AND RIDE LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW! I too watched the video and could not believe how well the bike handled a bad situation (when it left the pavement). I wondered if the bike was actually sitting on you at one point because it seemed to take forever for you to get up. When you did get up, I was glad you had your wits about you in order to make a radio call!

Thanks James,

You are so right about the posts and near non-movable objects. I swerved to miss the first pole and was successful (see the picture below) but I could not miss the second one. It is really freaky how the pole hit me as it did. The impact to the face was terrific.

When I sat up and noticed my fade was covered in blood the pain was from the mouth area. I was feeling for my teeth as it felt like I had lost them all. I thought the blood was coming from the mouth. The teeth were a little loose and soar but the blood was coming from the cuts on my face and my nose as the left sinus area had really taken a lot of impact. It took 6 days for the sinus area to totally heal up. 





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Spock
Posted 2009-09-16 3:33 PM (#44113 - in reply to #44097)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

pollolittle - 2009-09-16 9:13 AM radioteacher - "When I looked through the video I did not see any Sheetrock on the side of the road. I knew then that was not "pollolittle" with his Sheetrock seeking Vision." OOOOHHHHHHHHHH, AAAWWWWWWW! Such a memory, however, mine fortunately, never made it onto its side. Had that been me, I would have just took into the dirt and rode it like a dirt bike. That's how I ROLL! Now, that would have made for a video, of sliding across, then going through the ditch and then jumping back up on the road. YEEHAW!! Spock, did you even let it cross your mind to ride it through the ditch. Just curious!

My first thought was to ride it though the ditch after I realized I could not make he corner with the tank slapping but I could not get the bike back under control to ride it out. Once I hit the gravel with the tank slapping going on the rear end slid further to the right and out from under me and onto the tip-over protectors I went sliding into the second pole.

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radioteacher
Posted 2009-09-16 3:52 PM (#44114 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
Craig,

The video really shows the benefits of staying with the motorcycle and not just "Laying it down". I have heard stories about the people ditching the bike when a problem happens.

Since you stayed with the Vision as long as you did, you let the tires and then tipovers slow your body down from 76 mph to whatever the impact speed was. Tires and tipovers can be replaced easier then skin.

If you would have left the Vision when the when the front end started slapping, I am sure the injuries would have been much worse..

Take care and get well soon!

Paul
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river v
Posted 2009-09-16 4:12 PM (#44117 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 20
Fort Myers, FL United States
Craig,
Best wishes on a speedy recovery. I hope it helps you feel a bit better to know how helpful sharing your experience has been for the rest of us.
Thanks,
Ron
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ElroyJ
Posted 2009-09-16 4:29 PM (#44118 - in reply to #44112)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 460
Centennial, CO
I can only imagine how much that hurt. The fact that you were coherent enough to get up and use the CB is amazing to me. I can say that I am sure I would still be laying there today. Ha ha! Ok, that was an ironical laugh...but still...I can't imagine!

I am so glad you are still around to be able to discuss this with you and hopefully one day to meet up and take a ride together!

God Bless ya my brother!
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Cometman
Posted 2009-09-16 9:04 PM (#44133 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


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Posts: 520
Simi Valley, CA
Wow.... thanks for your insight Spock. Interesting having a video of your crash and that you can talk about it and we all can learn from it. I am glad you are on the mend.

Ride safe

Tim
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kenhiggins
Posted 2009-09-16 10:25 PM (#44134 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 249
Montreal, QC Canada
Craig, Best wishes for a speedy recovery and hope you are back on two wheels soon.
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Probie
Posted 2009-09-17 8:30 AM (#44144 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


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Posts: 204
guelph ontario
Crashing a bike is like crahsing a plane-if you can walk away from it, it was a good landing. Although you got caught off guard, it was still your skill that kept you on the bike resulting in lesser injuries. I noticed the scrape on the arm-are you going to wear leathers from now on. Wouldnt have helped the facial inpact but may have saved the arm injuries. Heal well and soon and get back on the horse asap.
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slowryder
Posted 2009-09-17 10:25 AM (#44149 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


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Posts: 106
L.I., N.Y.
Hope your healing and feelig better spock. It hurts to watch, glad your okay.
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slowryder
Posted 2009-09-17 10:27 AM (#44150 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 106
L.I., N.Y.
I did see the Vision rider come back at the 3:22 mark. Good to know people still help one another. Still watching and learning, never to old.

Edited by slowryder 2009-09-17 10:45 AM
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trailbarge
Posted 2009-09-17 11:19 AM (#44154 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


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Posts: 363
Goldsboro, NC
I already wished you well, Spock, so I hope you take this in the right spirit...

I noticed that the cupholder didn't break off. Did it spill?

---- that a$$h0l3, trailbarge
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Spock
Posted 2009-09-17 12:53 PM (#44160 - in reply to #44154)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


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Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

trailbarge - 2009-09-17 10:19 AM I already wished you well, Spock, so I hope you take this in the right spirit... I noticed that the cupholder didn't break off. Did it spill? ---- that a$$h0l3, trailbarge

LOL, Good point, I had it full of water and it never spilled a drop and worked perfectly.

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Spock
Posted 2009-09-17 1:06 PM (#44161 - in reply to #44160)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Tourer

Posts: 495
Carrollton, TX

Many thanks to everyone for your thoughts and good wishes, I really appreciate it!

As many of you have stated it is important to always be alert when riding. It is really scary how fast things can go wrong. I bet I have watched the video over 100 times and many times frame by frame. I really am glad I had the video to analyze and learn from. I will be slowing it down some.

Another interesting aspect is that while I had a ¾ face Arai helmet on it never got a scratch on it. The pole hit me across the face but did not scratch the helmet and the helmet never touched the ground until I came to a stop.

I am on my way to get the 10 stiches out of my face below my left eye. I should get a feel for what level of scaring I will have.

Thanks again and I will keep you all updated. Keep out of trouble you all and I look forward to riding with many of you somewhere soon.

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StarChief
Posted 2009-09-17 7:21 PM (#44176 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: RE: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 64
Altoona, Wisconsin
Craig,

Thankfully it wasn't much worse. Any crash you can walk away from, no matter how sore or bloody, you are lucky. A damaged bike is the least of your worries at that point. Thanks for sharing. Get well soon!

Mark
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Big Vic
Posted 2009-09-18 6:37 AM (#44218 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Iron Butt

Posts: 619
Southeast Iowa
Spock
Sorry to see and hear of your accident. Thanks for sharing as we all have had close calls and can learn from your experience. Heal quickly and I hope you are back on the road soon.

Rod
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Gadget
Posted 2009-09-18 6:49 AM (#44219 - in reply to #44016)
Subject: Re: Get well soon! - Vision crash video


Cruiser

Posts: 146
Craig, sorry my friend but I am just now reading your post and learning about your accident. I am very thankful that you are good to go and ready to roll somewhere down the road. God Bless and many Prayers throughout your recovery. Let me know if you need anything!!

Gadget (Scotty)
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