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hudson, IL United States | my bike has been parked for a little over a month now. being that this is my first fuel injected bike i thought it was about time to start it, i do have it on a battery tender. outside my garage was about 8 deg. with negative wind chill. it took about 10 seconds of cranking for it to start. in a way i must say i was a little upset. i thought it would start a little faster then that. my truck i drive is a 1986 with no fuel injection and it starts a lot faster then the bike. i rode till it snowed and never had a problem starting, has anyone else had a long crank start? i know it was most likely the cold but i was just wondering.
like anyone else in illinois with a vision, i won't be happy till i can ride again |
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Tourer
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| I started having the same issue before I put mine up for the year.
Spoke with my dealer about it. Will have it checked out in the spring. |
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San Antonio, TX | lil vic,
How much gas did you have in the tank? With a low tank it takes longer to bring the fuel up to pressure. This is true even when it is warm.
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hudson, IL United States | it was a full tank. i started it because i just put some of that stay bil stuff in it. i always turn the key on and let it go through its start up before i turn it on. |
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| Mine was doing it warm, cold and plenty of gas in tank. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Could be other things too like plugs, etc. I know the Vision likes to ride everytime you start it, if you don't she'll get mad at you and foul her plugs...hmmmmm |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | After sitting for 2 months last winter it took a couple of minutes to get it started. It had me worried at first. When it finally did start, it ran fine the rest of the year. I have never had to hit the starter button twice except for that one time. |
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| Fuel injected VTwin bikes need two pumps on the throttle before you turn it over in cold temps. It will fire right up after. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Teach - 2010-01-05 4:31 PM
Fuel injected VTwin bikes need two pumps on the throttle before you turn it over in cold temps. It will fire right up after.
And what does that do to make it start better? |
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New Bohemia, VA | wakes the gerbils... |
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Oswego,, Illinois,USA | I also live in Illinois,Yes This Cold Stuff Sucks .I don't know if I would try to crank My New Vision over in this cold. With only 40 miles on the bike. Premature wear would be why I don't do it.But when it gets up to about 40 I'm game. Because then I would go 5-600 miles and have Broken in the motor.Then I could get it serviced ..........And then ride it somewhere that does not have a winter.I really dislike the cold weather ,Ice ,Snow,Salt,ect.........Can't wait til spring..Well I guess I will have to.While I am waiting for spring I will read and try to learn about the Vision.I just learned that they dont like to be started unless you ride them for a while..........lol joke . Have a good one. |
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| Also had batt probs recently. Still don't know why. Last weekend I was starting on a trip to OKC...pulled my bike around to the garage, turned it off for about an hour or so while loading gear, hopped on bike to start trip, hit starter.....dead (click..click...click). Jumped it off with another bike, took to dealer to check charging system...nothing wrong with charging so they said must be battery. Batt aint quite a year old yet and I NEVER had any probs before. Tech said that it takes 30 min. riding to re-charge per one press of starter??? Don't know if it's actually true...anyone?? |
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hudson, IL United States | i dont know bout 30min. ride to recharge. i was always told in a car it was 10min. at highway speed. but if you look at your amp gauge when you are riding it is about 14-15 volts. i ride 10ish min. to work from when i got her in june till november never had a problem i think you just had a bad battery. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Gadget, i don't know either on the one press of the starter or the 30 minutes. I do know this, (okay I hear you all) if you have recalls that need to be applied, make sure they are. Make sure you have a good battery and it is fully charged. Make sure your connection are clean and tight and put some of that "stuff" on it to keep it from corroding.
I'm the last person to tell you what to do, but I do have the orginial battery that has been run dead twice for the trunk light and once for running the radio. I've never done anything to my battery and it is starting fine even in the cold tempature. (Al Gore, you are my hero, you have won your fight in Global Warming, now can you back off dude!)
Edited by varyder 2010-01-06 9:09 PM
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| radioteacher - 2010-01-04 7:20 PM
lil vic,
With a low tank it takes longer to bring the fuel up to pressure.
Ride Safe
That shouldn't matter since the pump draws fuel from the bottom of the tank. |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | In the spring when I first start up my Vision I cycle thru the pressurizing of the fuel system twice (turn on ignition, wait for it to pressurize, turn off then turn ignition back on, start Vision). If I don't do this I have the same problem starting it after it has been sitting for an extended time period which is usually only over the winter months. |
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| Do you use fuel stabilizer? And the need to start the bike if you aren't riding anywhere is for? Once she is packed away for the winter just let her sit packed away at least I do. Just starting to start will put water in your pipes and cause rust. If you spray oil in your cylinders for storage like some people it's gone. Plus some people put plastic bags over the exhaust tips to keep rodents out during the winter and if you forget your next question will be how to get plastic off you pipes.
Did your tender have a green lit when you disconnected it? Or which ever color that states it's operating properly. I don't know if it matters but I always disconnect mine before starting. I like the bike to start with all it's own codes. Would a tender effect the codes? Don't know.
Did you check you bike for rodent droppings or other damage. When I worked at the shop people would bring theirs ATVs in and Ryan from 2 mice in one with nest. Of course the owners had already tried started the machine and sucked all that crap in and complained about the price of repairs. I haven't seen in on a bike yet but uncle would get them in his car when he parked by the back stone wall. I prefer to do all my checks before start once in the spring and I know I am going for a long ride.
But that's just me. 100,000+ miles in 9 years. |
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San Antonio, TX | tralphaz - 2010-01-06 9:59 PM
radioteacher - 2010-01-04 7:20 PM
lil vic,
With a low tank it takes longer to bring the fuel up to pressure.
Ride Safe
That shouldn't matter since the pump draws fuel from the bottom of the tank.
Interesting. Maybe it pulls from the high side when it is on the kick stand.
For me it just seems to take longer to start when the fuel is low.*
*I am not a professional mechanic. This statement is not a legal opinion. |
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Tacoma, WA | One thing I do know: This is a HUGE V-Twin, and cranking it over requires mucho power. When cold, even more so. If a battery is at all weak, cold winter temps will make it rough going for it to start up. Gotta figure, each cylinder is nearly 900 cubic centimeters...so on the compression stroke, it is pushing pretty hard! Goldwings don't have that problem, the power pulses are much farther apart, and less cubes per pulse.-----Metalguy
Edited by metalguy 2010-01-08 10:52 PM
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Cruiser
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| I just spent 30 min typing my message only to lose everything. I aint gonna spend the time again...here's short vers. Bike wouldn;t start yesterday, pushed it from back yard to garage, plugged in tender, spent almost 2 hours trying to get started, finally did but it spitted/sputtered, once started it acted like bad carb., batt tender wiggin out showing full charge after I started and left it running for few min., unpluged batt tend and plugged back in and tender started charging again. Any suggestions?? Think it's possible I have a short or something not tight?? |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Gadget is your bike slow cranking, or spinning over at the normal speed, but not starting?? |
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Prescott Valley, AZ | I'm thinking Crawford may be on to someting. I live in central AZ and we get down into the low 20s and teens during the "winter" here. I have noticed that the bike can be a little harder to start once it sits for a day or so. I normally ride year round (lucky me!) but from time to time we get some bad weather and the bike sits for a few days. As it happens I have been out of town a few days and the bike has been sitting for a week now, yes I am having withdrawals systems but will get over them tomorrow after I ride again! I'll let everyone know how Crawford's technique works for me tomorrow. |
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hudson, IL United States | Gadget I would have to say that you?re tender is ok. When you start and run a car/truck/bike it is charging the battery. if you have a tender on them it will show charged for some time till the computer pulls enough charge off. if you where to turn the key on and off it would do the same thing also. When you unplugged the tender, the tender lost enough of the charge in it to see that they battery wasn?t fully charged so it charged again. At work when we have to check the charge on truck when they come in we turn the light on first to get rid of the extra charge then we can test them more efficiently. |
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| A couple of things you need to consider. One, is that at single digit temperatures, 20/40 oil is pretty thick, and is going to slow down the cranking speed. The second is that v-twin motorcycle ignitions are programed not to spark until the engine turns one or two full revolutions, allowing the starter to get the mass moving enough that it won't ignite wrong and counter-rotate.
These two will combine to slow down cranking speed and make it take longer to enough rotations in to fire - giving you the symptoms described in the initial post.
Just my 2 cents.
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