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| I have been in talks with the Chief Engineer at D&D Exhaust for about a year now. They finally gave the green light and have been wanting to take on the Vision for some time now. I just yesterday delivered my '08 Vision to them for R&D purposes. They are excited about this opportunity to engineer a quality product with a great sounding exhaust note and performance to boot. They will be holding my bike hostage for the next 4 - 6 weeks during R&D but it's gonna also be nice to FINALLY get some dyno results after the KevinXinated cam upgrade. I've had D&D's on my previous 2 bikes and loved each set. D&D's facilities are about 2 miles from my house and they have always been very open and helpful to me. They are a great company and am very happy to have this opportunity to be involved in one of their projects. For those of you like me who have been disappointed with the current exhaust systems thus far then please assist me as I give owner recommendations to the D&D Engineers. They are requesting any and all input from Vision Owners. I'll keep everyone updated on the progress.
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| Good Lord, do you have to post three times on every site? Heard you the first time. Hope you find your free pipes enjoyable! |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hey I hope it works out, D&D makes good stuff, all vision riders will benefit from a wider variety of pipes, I wish Rinehardt would do some also................ |
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Cruiser
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| ALL,
I will be posting the Chief Engineer's contact info on the various sites soon. I need to check with Aaron to see if there is a specific phone number he wants posted first. I'll keep yall updated. I for one am very excited about this one. Along with my bike (which has the S1L2 Pipes) I also delivered the original ~ Never Used ~ factory pipes. They are going to take it back to stock for baseline and work up from there. Thanks for any input on this guys & gals!
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | If you can; post all three dyno sheets with current setup that would be very interesting and a good plug for D&D if their pipes are way superior. |
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| I am certainly hoping to be able to post as much info as possible. I do know that they are taking her back to stock for a baseline and working from there. I have sent this forum link to their Chief Engineer Aaron and hopefully they are monitoring for input. |
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| ALL,
I am NOT ignoring yall or all of your comments.....I have just been too busy to reply specifically to your questions / comments. I AM taking notes and forwarding info to D&D's. I will reply to all questions / comments at some point this week. Please keep them rolling in... |
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Cruiser
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| ALL,
Thanks for your input thus far. Please keep them rolling in...
I DO have a question for all you guys/gals that MIGHT be interested in possibly purchasing now or in the future.
Please share your thoughts on a series of questions that I will be asking over the next couple of weeks. Here is the first question:
WHAT ARE YALL LOOKING FOR BY WAY OF EXHAUST NOTE / PERFORMANCE?? LOUD ~ MODERATE ~ DEEP RUMBLE ~ THROATY ~ ETC.??? |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | Performance with the exhaust note of a Fatcat. Man I loved them pipes. My Boarzilla was extremely loud, had a couple problems with L.E. with those pipes but the Fatcats were perfect.
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Jacksonville Florida | Rumble in the jungle Scott. |
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I received a call from Aaron (D&D Chief Engineer) this week and they are very close to completing this project. I have an appt. to go FINALLY see and hear these new pipes tomorrow (Friday) afternoon. I'll post PICS / DYNO / INFO / PRICING / CONTACTS / ETC. as soon after that as I am able. Still a couple weeks out though I would guess. Based on our conversation they were able to do some extraordinary things with the Vision performance. MORE TO COME.......
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| Please post some prelim pics as soon as you can. I was about to pull the trigger on a different set, but would like to see if I have interest in these. |
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Cruiser
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| TO ALL INTERESTED VISION OWNERS THAT HAVE HALF A BRAIN....... ~ JUST KIDDING...BEFORE I GET THE THREATENING EMAILS ~
I was summoned a couple days ago by the Chief Engineer at D&D's to stop by to see / hear the progress on the NEW Vision Exhaust. I finally made it by there this afternoon and was absolutely blown away!! As I was walking to the D&D R&D shop from the parking lot I heard a nice sounding / LOUD exhaust being tested on the DYNO. My first thought was that surely this was another bike being tested. I was pleasantly shocked when I walked into the shop area and saw the Chief Engineer on top of MY Vision on top of the DYNO... I stopped to just take in the moment. Then Aaron was kind enough to show me what they were able to create and show me the dyno charts. I won't advertise the charts just yet because they are not quite finished yet...but I gotta tell ya...THE NUMBERS LOOKED SWEET AND THE SOUND WAS AWESOME!! We are almost there my friends. I'll keep yall posted for sure!
Gadget
TO rikrok ~ I did take some pics and will post tomorrow. |
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New Bohemia, VA | scott - do you have the Lloyd cams yet? |
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| Yes siree.....I was kevinxinated back in September. What a huge difference that made. 10-4?? |
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Allen Park, MI | Gadget - 2010-02-20 2:49 AM
TO ALL INTERESTED VISION OWNERS THAT HAVE HALF A BRAIN....... ~ JUST KIDDING...BEFORE I GET THE THREATENING EMAILS ~
I was summoned a couple days ago by the Chief Engineer at D&D's to stop by to see / hear the progress on the NEW Vision Exhaust. I finally made it by there this afternoon and was absolutely blown away!! As I was walking to the D&D R&D shop from the parking lot I heard a nice sounding / LOUD exhaust being tested on the DYNO. My first thought was that surely this was another bike being tested. I was pleasantly shocked when I walked into the shop area and saw the Chief Engineer on top of MY Vision on top of the DYNO... I stopped to just take in the moment. Then Aaron was kind enough to show me what they were able to create and show me the dyno charts. I won't advertise the charts just yet because they are not quite finished yet...but I gotta tell ya...THE NUMBERS LOOKED SWEET AND THE SOUND WAS AWESOME!! We are almost there my friends. I'll keep yall posted for sure!
Gadget
TO rikrok ~ I did take some pics and will post tomorrow.
Looking forward to seeing the dyno results...not to mention the pic's. |
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Tourer
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Albuquerque, NM | I've heard nothing but good reviews D&D's products. I imagine that this system for the Vision will be a complete exhaust system w/chrome or black heat shields. It would be great for many of us that have already invested alot of $$ on the S1L1/S1L2 systems if one or more of their offerings was just the exhaust that our current heat sheilds/gatlin tips would bolt up to. This would increase sales as well as minimize customer upgrade costs. I am currently contemplating the Atom Bombs which will cost aroung. $300 with shipping. I would pay up to $450 for a basic D&D system.
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks! I'm following this as well, but I found out that I've got to start asking the wife unit for allowance. I'd like to get cammed if I get the pipes, but I don't see me doing either anytime soon. |
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Memphis | Varyder, You've already set her up. "Hey, honey, I couldn't stand it and put a deposit down on that 8-Ball Vision I was telling you about." When she comes down from orbit you say "Just kidding, I only bought new pipes for Bentley." See? Piece of cake. What could possibly go wrong? |
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Allen Park, MI | I hope the D&D pipes have better results performance wise on the Vision than they did in the Sportbike world...I had them on my sport bike (06 1000rr Dyno 181 rear wheel hp) and they were obnoxiously loud but did very little performance wise. I replaced them in short order with Arata titanium set. Craftsmanship was satisfactory.. I am not trying to rain on anyones parade by any means.....just stating my experience with them. I know that performance wise just adding new mufflers do little to improve performance...but when your dropping this kind of coin you want more than just a loud exhaust...again just my 2cents.
Coop
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| Prostreet1,
I hear what your saying my friend. I too have had some "not so good" pipes on previous bikes that were extremely LOUD but offered very little by way of total performance. My Vision will make the third different set of D&D pipes on 3 different bikes. I have to say honestly that I have not had a single performance related issue with any of them. Of course these have all been cruiser/touring type bikes. I have never had a set of D&D's on any of my sport bikes...so I can't speak to that. I did see the latest preliminary dyno chart on these new Vision D&D pipes this past Friday. I have to say that I was extremely impressed by what I saw. Very nice sound/tone & performance at the rear wheel. I know this kinda irks some people but I cannot post these numbers or dyno chart just yet. I made a commitment because this was a prelim and still a little raw. They are going to dyno a totally stock Vision next week (because I have Lloydz cams) and get the base stock reading. Then I will be able to post these charts and allow yall to be the judge on performance improvements, etc. I can tell you that Aaron with D&D's has been in contact and working with Lloyd throughout this process and development. Rest assured that I WILL absolutely keep everyone posted!! WE ARE ALMOST THERE MY FRIENDS!!!!
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| What we need is Glenn Hall of D&D racing your vision in the qtr |
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| nailer - 2010-02-20 9:49 AM
I've heard nothing but good reviews D&D's products. I imagine that this system for the Vision will be a complete exhaust system w/chrome or black heat shields. It would be great for many of us that have already invested alot of $$ on the S1L1/S1L2 systems if one or more of their offerings was just the exhaust that our current heat sheilds/gatlin tips would bolt up to. This would increase sales as well as minimize customer upgrade costs. I am currently contemplating the Atom Bombs which will cost aroung. $300 with shipping. I would pay up to $450 for a basic D&D system.
just remember. if you go with a new system you can sell your old ones...S1 or S2's, I sold my old S1's and have the Thundercones coming that Lloyd sells. |
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| Now THAT would be cool....... |
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| ALL,
I have just posted a few pics of my bike on the dyno at D&D's. These images are in my gallery under Gadget. Please keep in mind that these are still a work in progress. I will post the actual finished product once complete. I have learned however that D&D have plans to offer both Black & Chrome finishes and 3 different end cuts..the straight / side slashed / & a top slash to match the flowing lines / curves of the Vision.
I have also just posted a very short VID of my bike on the dyno on my youtube account. My screen name is SEBakers and the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDiRd9JquQ4 |
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| Forgot to add this link as well...http://www.flickr.com/photos/42045771@N06/ |
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Allen Park, MI | Gadget - 2010-02-22 4:25 AM
ALL,
I have just posted a few pics of my bike on the dyno at D&D's. These images are in my gallery under Gadget. Please keep in mind that these are still a work in progress. I will post the actual finished product once complete. I have learned however that D&D have plans to offer both Black & Chrome finishes and 3 different end cuts..the straight / side slashed / & a top slash to match the flowing lines / curves of the Vision.
I have also just posted a very short VID of my bike on the dyno on my youtube account. My screen name is SEBakers and the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDiRd9JquQ4
Hmmm...not being real famliar with you tube it could be the way I am trying to access it but it says its private?? |
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Cruiser
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New Brunswick , Canada | Would the Flutted Exhaust tip be adaptable to these new pipes..? |
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| Good question Lojak.....I believe they modeled the size the same as the stock size and I would think they would fit but let me verify this with them before I say with absolute certainty my friend. |
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| Prostreet1...try it now. I unchecked a check mark. Let me know if you still can't get in. |
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Allen Park, MI | Gadget - 2010-02-22 3:04 PM
Prostreet1...try it now. I unchecked a check mark. Let me know if you still can't get in.
Got it....thanks Gadget....wish it could have been a little longer  ....but thanks for all the effort. |
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| Me too!! I walked in as he was getting off the dyno and closing the store for the day. I am going back on my off days this Thursday-Friday. I'll get a much longer vid then. |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | So has there been any updates? I for one am still interested.
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Allen Park, MI | mkultra - 2010-03-05 8:39 AM
So has there been any updates? I for one am still interested.
mike
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Cruiser
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| ALL,
Sorry I haven't posted any updates in a while but I have been on a crazy schedule at work. I went by D&D's last Wed. hoping to get a longer video shot on the dyno but when I got there they had another bike on the dyno and mine was disassembled to some extent. I am off this coming Mon.-Tue. and will get back up there for a video shoot. So, please be checking early next week for additional pics/vids. They have completed the design and are cranking up manufacturing on these pipes. Getting real close!!
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| Ladies & Gents.......THE WAIT IS FINALLY OVER!!
D&D just completed their Vision exhaust offering and I am attaching a couple of pics. I don't yet have the specs but the D&D official roll-out will be in about a week. I'll keep yall posted.
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| I lost my internet connection yesterday before I could post the dyno sheet. Here it is...
I was so excited to finally get her back after 6 weeks at D&D's that took off work early Friday evening and the nice folks at D&D's were willing to wait after hours for me to show up. I rode it home (about 2 miles) and shot the vid and packed her up to ride to work the next day. I didn't realize at the time that we had a dad-gum snow storm arriving the next morning. Anyway, I haven't had her out on the road since I brought her home due to the weather, so I can't offer any observations on riding highway speeds yet. Supposed to be a good day tomorrow so I am looking forward to getting her out on the highway and seeing what she's got. I'll write an additional review tomorrow evening.
Here's the deal so far...I had some popping when I had the S1L2's on her and had purchased the Lloydz IAC & exhaust gaskets. When I picked the bike up Friday I was explaining to Aaron what I was gonna do and he said not to do anything until I had a chance to ride her. He said that he has not experience any popping at all (even on decel) with their pipes. I was skeptical but have to say that I did NOT have a pop one during the ride home last friday. Not saying its completely gone yet until I have had the chance to open her up and ride for a while. I'll keep yall posted on this.
Aaron said that their official roll-out will be in a week or so but they have completed a first production run so the pipes are available now. Not sure of the different prices but I will post a notice when they are available for viewing on the D&D website. I believe Aaron told me that they are going to run slightly over $600.00.
I am NOT a D&D employee or investor but have been a customer for several years and know many of the people there including the owner and have to say that they have always treated me extremely fair. I would recommend them to anyone. The owner told me that they plan to expand their exhaust offerings to include the other Victory models as well in the near future. Their next project is the Hammer. All you CC / CR owners...give em a call!!
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| OK guys, I was prodding for some input / feedback on these dyno results..... Hope I didn't kill my own thread. Spock, varyder, vaparadox, pollolittle, songfan, etc. ALL YOU OTHER OLD HEADS??? |
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Visionary
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LaPorte,Tx. | I just compared their dyno chart to mine. Both bikes are the same except for the pipes (mine S1L1) and the location and dyno. The D&D offer more mid-range torgue about 15% and about 7% more mid - range hp. In the low range they are about the same. In the upper RPM range the hp on the S1L1 is still cllimbing at the rev limiter. The torque is about the same for each on the high end. So after looking at the cost, I will stay with what I got. If I want more hp & torque, I'll go on the bottle. But if you have a stock bike and ready for a power bump, they should be on the list. Thanks for letting them use your Vision on the test. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Scott, where do you live? I'd like to hear this first hand and make an assessment on them.
I Was talking with Joker tonight who is getting Lloyd cams without exhaust upgrade @ 28,000 on the clock. I was thinking the same on mine, however, when I need new pipes I wanted to do both. My stock pipes are sounding sorta mellow so I know at 65,000 I'm probably getting close to a change over. I don't like loud, but I like a rumble on the road, and kinda quiet on idle. Personally, the Vision has all the pep and go that I need, but why not add a little pazaz to the geezer glide... I've been following your D&D venture hoping it hits the sound I want.... |
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| Thanks for you input guys. I really do appreciate it very much. varyder, I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. Where do ya wanna meet?? |
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New Bohemia, VA | Gadget - 2010-04-01 9:26 PM
Thanks for you input guys. I really do appreciate it very much. varyder, I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. Where do ya wanna meet??
I'll try to make that a reality later this year. I missed going to McAllen last year and itching to see my son, I'm trying to plan a trip for this year. It may be inconjunction with a trip to the Mojave for work and I would make it a point to pass through D/FW just to meet you and hear the pipes for myself. I'll keep you posted. |
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Cruiser
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| You gotta deal my friend!! You can take my bike for a spin if you'll let me check out your VDO?!?!?! I still want wunatheez!! Any word?? |
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Cruiser
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| I didn't see a link to D&D site for the pipes, so here you go:
http://www.danddexhaust.com/news/2010/04/dd_has_performa.htm
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New Brunswick , Canada | Would the Flutted Exhaust tip be adaptable to these new pipes..? |
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| I contacted them yesterday wondering if they would fit my VV with having a hitch on the bike.I would really like to hear what these sound like in person. |
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