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Southeast Iowa | I was at the dealer yesterday and picked up a filter. I have decided that I'm not ever going to pay another $13 for a run of the mill filter with their part number on it. Now, before someone goes crazy with the "I'm only going to buy a Victory filter because it was especially designed for my Freedom engine" spiel let's consider the facts.
1. Polaris is not in the business of making filters. Someone else makes them and puts the Polaris name on it.
2. There is nothing special about this filter as it relates to Victory's motorcycle engines because it is the same one they use on almost every 4 wheeler, Razor, and Ranger ranging from 500cc's to 800 cc's.
So here's my question. What are you using instead of the Polaris 2540086 filter? Where do you get it? And what does it cost?
I have been using the Purolater Pure One PL14610 but recently read that Purolator strongly suggest that you don't use this filter for motorcycle applications because some motorcycles may not have a strong enough oil pump to push it through the filter media. I don't know that this is the case but it gave me a reason to consider other options.
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Memphis | I have hung around with TopFuel here in Memphis and he actually bought a couple of other brands and cut them all open to compare to the Victory filter. He was genuinely surprised and was most impressed with the Victory filter. (The cutaways are on display at our dealership.) The dude is a Ferrari mechanic. If he's impressed with the Victory filter, I'm not gonna waste my time looking for something else. |
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Richmond, Virginia | Good point SongFan, also, as we all know Vic can be a pain in the ass when it comes to needing something repaired/replaced/investigated etc etc. I think if it ever comes down to it and there is a problem with my bike, I dont want Victory using the excuse "you were not using our recommended filter, therefore we are under no obligation to help you" BS response. Because
lets face it, THEY WILL. just my 2 cents.
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Southeast Iowa | SongFan - Let's assume for a minute that the Victory oil filter is the best game in town. This being the case I'm sure that they didn't make it and whoever did probably sells it under another brand name which is readily available at your local Auto Parts store for less money. Anyone know who makes the Polaris 2540086 filter? |
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Memphis | I think Wix but can't prove it. Just going on past reports. |
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San Antonio, TX | I think it is a Wix as well. Remember that Wix makes many grades of filters. I would not think the equal to the Polaris filter is the "el cheapo" Wix. It is probably the better or best filter that "what ever the company who makes the filter" makes.
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Central New York | Darned if I can find it now but I read a report online somewhere just this week about filters for Victorys. They cut a bunch open and measures surface area, filtration size/material, and check valve pressures. What I took away from it was that the Purolator Pure One #PL14610 had the most surface area and the check valve pressure matched. My biggest surprise was that they rated the Walmart ST6607 higher than the Amsoil EU013. If I can relocate the page I will post the link. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Big Vic, This thread should help some on your questions.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4340&pos... |
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Memphis,Tn. | It doesn't matter who the vendor is for Victory. It's manufactured for Victory to their technical specifications.
Minus the Victory specifications: The same vendor that just built the branded factory approved oil filters for Victory is now free to upgrade or downgrade the filter materials they will market for their own house brands - and the third party aftermarket distributors they also supply. I've opened up several other "name brand" filters since those SongFan saw at our (terrific) local dealer.
The Victory brand oil filter still goes on my Vision.
SongFan, have you posted any pictures yet of your paint and chrome upgades??? (I don't drop in here much anymore...) |
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San Antonio, TX | I use the Victory filter as well.
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Columbia, TN United States | Looks like the factory Victory will be my choice also. Great information here, thanks. |
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| Big Vic, I have been using the Bosch 3323 filter which I pick up at Autozone for around $6 if I recall. I tried several and found I get the most mileage between changes with the Bosch filter. YES I realize that most folks think a filter is a filter but evidently that isn't the case and a filter can/will affect oil service life.
The only difference I could find between the Victory filter and the Bosch is the number of relief holes and the diameter of those holes. The Vic filter has fewer but they are larger, the bosch are smaller but more of them.
Since the dealer is a ride aways from me, and since the vic filters cost double plus the ride, and since I'm in autozone already getting my oil, it just makes sense to use this filter. Oh and the filter is painted black if it matters. |
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Tampa, Fl United States | Teach - 2010-02-07 3:38 PM
Big Vic, I have been using the Bosch 3323 filter which I pick up at Autozone for around $6 if I recall. I tried several and found I get the most mileage between changes with the Bosch filter. YES I realize that most folks think a filter is a filter but evidently that isn't the case and a filter can/will affect oil service life.
The only difference I could find between the Victory filter and the Bosch is the number of relief holes and the diameter of those holes. The Vic filter has fewer but they are larger, the bosch are smaller but more of them.
Since the dealer is a ride aways from me, and since the vic filters cost double plus the ride, and since I'm in autozone already getting my oil, it just makes sense to use this filter. Oh and the filter is painted black if it matters.
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| Mobil VTwin 20/50. Without turning this into an oil thread I run either the mobil or amsoil not because any one oil is better than another but basically it is what is easily to find. |
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Jasper, MO | I don't get to my dealer very often, as they are not real close to me. They are a good dealership-no complaints. I've been using Wix 51356 or NAPA Gold 1356 (same filter, different brand), that I pay $4.55 each for, for the past 9+ years on my Victorys. Actually, I use Wix filters on everything I own. The fleet maintenance shop for the trucking company that I drive for uses Wix filters on the 18 wheelers, and we go 25000 miles on an oil and filter change (synthetic oil). I change the oil and filter on my Victorys at 5000 miles (also synthetic oil, but not the same oil as the trucks).
They haven't blown up yet.
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New Bohemia, VA | yeah, the motors might not have blown up, but there are those reading this thread that has... |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Yah, ME - Chris. For gosh sakes people - you paid $25,000 for a two wheel 'toy' - and gripe about the cost of a FILTER??? How much is YOUR time worth? It would cost me, I figure - $50 to run around looking for stuff when I would rather be doing just about ANYTHING else in that time. That's what DEALERS are for - let them do the work - and pay them enough to keep them doing it..... |
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Kincardine, Ontario, Canada | donetracey - 2010-02-08 1:04 AM
Yah, ME - Chris. For gosh sakes people - you paid $25,000 for a two wheel 'toy' - and gripe about the cost of a FILTER??? How much is YOUR time worth? It would cost me, I figure - $50 to run around looking for stuff when I would rather be doing just about ANYTHING else in that time. That's what DEALERS are for - let them do the work - and pay them enough to keep them doing it.....
+1 on that
We all worry about loosing a local dealer, support him all you can, he's probably only making a couple of bucks off the filter and oil he's selling you. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | My experience with oil filters is that it does not pay to go cheap. I had two of them rust through and drain the oil out of the motor onto my driveway when I was leaving for work. They were two different brands on two different vehicles. One was a Purolator Pure One and the other a Motorcraft. Both were only about 3 months old. I was fortunate I was not 500 miles from home when it happened. No cheap filters for me anymore. I'm not saying that the Vic filter is the best. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. The Motorcraft that failed was the factory recommended part for that vehicle (It also happened to be the cheapest one on the shelf). I tend to use the filters with the black corrosion resistant coating anymore. I don't know if the filtering quality is as good, but they have eliminated the rust problem.
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Pittsburgh, PA | this is a interesting thread. I use Vic filters but i dont like the very short Oil Change Intervals, which makes the filter price a little more of a ouch. it would bt one thing if the OCI was 5000 or 7000 miles but at 2500 them filters can get changed pretty quick.. LOL i hope i dont get too far off topic but is it true that vic was working with a oil company to give us a oil that will extend our O.C.I.? one of my local vic dealers said he heard this..? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | oh btw i know tht mobile1 and or amsoil could easily go past 2500 miles but for sack of warranty hassles i wanted the OK from vic |
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Dallas, Texas | TopFuel - 2010-02-07 1:10 PM
It doesn't matter who the vendor is for Victory. It's manufactured for Victory to their technical specifications.
Minus the Victory specifications: The same vendor that just built the branded factory approved oil filters for Victory is now free to upgrade or downgrade the filter materials they will market for their own house brands - and the third party aftermarket distributors they also supply. I've opened up several other "name brand" filters since those SongFan saw at our (terrific) local dealer.
The Victory brand oil filter still goes on my Vision.
SongFan, have you posted any pictures yet of your paint and chrome upgades??? (I don't drop in here much anymore...)
Just curious about this..
If the Polaris 2540086 is made to "Victory" specs, then why is the "Polaris" name on it? And how many Polaris products use this filter? Last time I checked, Victory was the only V-Twin engines that Polaris has. Not saying that it is a bad or inferior filter, but I can see Polaris taking bids from oil filter companies, and going that route to decide. Then telling Victory that they need to use this filter as well.
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| Victory may not make the filters , but they are made to their specs . Would you really risk your warranty !!!! for the sake of a few dollars . We pay more than double for parts here in Australia , I wish I could get a Vic filter for $13 . The heart of longevity in a motor is clean oil and reg servicing . I am sure that I would not use a cheapo filter in my lawn mower , let alone my $35,500 AU Vision . Do what you got to do , but for me its a no brainer , Gen oem parts only. Victory spends a lot of money developing good engineering , for their bikes . I will leave it at that , GOOD LUCK !! |
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northwest florida | Purolator Pure One PL14610
Mobil 1 M1-110,
Bosch 3323,
WalMart SuperTech ST7317,
Amsoil EaO13,
K&N KN-198,
re-usable filter which Conquest Customs is selling
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Salisbury, NC | I have over 70,000 miles on the SC using the Purolator PL14610 and when they took it apart at 55,000 miles to fix the tranny, everything looked fine as far as normal wear goes. No build-ups/high wear anywhere. ET |
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| Neither using an aftermarket oil or filter will void your warranty as long as it is a approved cross which all of the filters mentioned here are. Like oil, filters, tires all are personal preference items.... with that said I would recommend you run whatever you feel comfy with. Some folks feel for whatever reason factory is best, others its high end and others low end. I can't recall the last time I heard of a MC engine failure that was the result of oil, or filter used. Heard a lot of stories about clutches going due to use of the wrong oils or additives. So go with your gut...... ride safe...... T |
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Grand Cane, LA | And I thought the oil threads were long winded! As far as specs for a filter, most bike manufacturers just tell the filter makers what micron filter medium they "prefer", what bypass pressure is needed and how much flow rate they need. This is not rocket science guys! As long as the filter you use can meet the specs. that the manufacturer desires, it shouldn't matter to the dealer one bit other than he's not making the 30% markup. Most dealers are not making a whole lot on filters and oil. They would rather have your service. That's where they make their money besides sales. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Here's Wix's info on their filter for 100ci and 106ci Victory Freedom motors (part #51356):
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=51356
As for Purolator, their website advises against using a auto oil filter on a motorcycle and points to their motorcycle filter chart which only lists Victory's 1507cc motor and the corresponding filter ML16817 (their ML16819 is discontinued).
Bosch does not list any motorcycle in their fitment charts but many Victory owners have used the Bosch 3323 for years without issues (including myself). Their website offers no technical specs on any of their filters.
Supertech has only anecdotal information on the web. Such as on calsci.com |
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Southeast Iowa | Thanks for all the info guys...............I also enjoy reading the opinions. I will list a few of both.
Fact - I want to use parts at least as good as what Victory specifies but don't always like the mark-up or 150 mile round trip drive to the dealer. In my case I have 2 bikes that run about 10,000 miles a year (8 oil changes) so $6 a filter savings gives me another $48 to spend somewhere else.
Some people are of the opinion that oil and filters must say Polaris on them. I am not. I recognize that Victory builds bikes and that oil and filters are not their specialty. Other manufacturers know much more because that's "what they do" For this reason I tend to want to buy the best (or at least as good) as what Victory specifies. No reason to debate this because it seems everyone has their own opinion. Just remember that parts from Lloyd's, Cee Baily's, Cycle Ops, Corbin, Arlen Ness and so on are not "Genuine Victory Parts" but most would agree that they are an upgrade.
Strong Opinion - The WIX filter 51356 is the same as the Polaris 2540086 and is readily available at the local parts store for $6.99. I stopped shy of saying fact because I'm not qualified to test filter media. But I think most reasonable people comparing the 2 would see the exact same stampings, by-pass valve, gasket, filter color size and shape, swedges, markings and so on. Hell the box is even came from the same supplier. So with that said I'm moving over to the WIX filter. |
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Ruskin, Fl | I had the Napa Gold filter in. This last oil change I stopped in Advance Auto. They did not the the regular Bosch 3323 filter. All the had was the Bosch Distance Plus 3323. I didn't want to spend $13.49 for a filter since I change my oil about every five weeks, at least before global warming hit Florida. I bought it instead of driving around to get the cheaper filter. Top quality filter. |
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Indianapolis, IN | Hey folks, here's some really great research a fellow did on motorcycle oil filters. This guy is somewhat of a fanatic, but he has answered many of the unknowns we all have wondered about regarding the construction, quality and effectiveness of the different filter brands and how this relates to the price. The following links provide a great deal of info including price comparisons, cross reference charts, construction details and so on. They are worth studying a little.
The top link is a general lesson on the various materials and design concept of filters.
The middle link has a great cross reference chart at the bottom of the page for the filter size that fits the victory engines.
The bottom link shows the results of comparing the disassembled parts of various filters - what's really inside.
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterStudy.html
I like to make decisions based on good data rather than somebody's opinions. These links seem to contain clear and factual information. And provide many options for those of us trying to get a good product and save some cash at the same time.
By the way this web site has dozens of other articles listed in the left column that are of interest to motorcycle enthusiast.
Good luck and safe riding. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | HEY ! I Know! Let's get Jedi or Miles to post this thread as a PERMINENT PAGE ONE ARTICLE - so we never have to write about this gooey slimy dirty stuff again !!!
How about it - WEBMASTERS ???? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | At this moment I can remember the oil filter maker, all I remember is the name starts with the letter P. Anyways on their website there is a warning to not use their car oil filters on your motorcycle because of the oil pressure rating other filter and the motorcycle. Not sure why they mention this... |
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| that would be Purolator |
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| For all you "noobies" way back when IowaVic and a couple others had owners send their used oil filters to them and they cut them apart. Some were real good some sucked. You might find the thread in the Archives of TheVMC.com
Wix makes the NAPA Gold filters. Wix "invented" the spin on filter.
Amsoil, K&N also make good filters.
Use good quality oil and filter and keep the oil changed as needed and you should be good.
Does anyone else remember the old oil filters that used a roll of toilet paper? O.O |
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Indianapolis, IN | Big Vic - 2010-02-07 8:50 AM
I was at the dealer yesterday and picked up a filter. I have decided that I'm not ever going to pay another $13 for a run of the mill filter with their part number on it. Now, before someone goes crazy with the "I'm only going to buy a Victory filter because it was especially designed for my Freedom engine" spiel let's consider the facts.
1. Polaris is not in the business of making filters. Someone else makes them and puts the Polaris name on it.
2. There is nothing special about this filter as it relates to Victory's motorcycle engines because it is the same one they use on almost every 4 wheeler, Razor, and Ranger ranging from 500cc's to 800 cc's.
So here's my question. What are you using instead of the Polaris 2540086 filter? Where do you get it? And what does it cost?
I have been using the Purolater Pure One PL14610 but recently read that Purolator strongly suggest that you don't use this filter for motorcycle applications because some motorcycles may not have a strong enough oil pump to push it through the filter media. I don't know that this is the case but it gave me a reason to consider other options.
So, what are your thoughts?
Big Vic, I think I have a solid answer to your questions and some very useful information for all Victory owners. This is how I made my discovery.
First let me preface by saying I have long heard that Wix brand filters are some of the best made, supposedly they invented the cartridge filter during WWII. Most heavy equipment filters are manufactured by Wix. Nuff said.
So I recently did an on line search for the applicable oil filter for the Vision on the Wix filter web site. They have it set up so you can pinpoint any vehicle and their filters that apply including part numbers etc. So they call out the Wix #51356 oil filter. I look up their local distributor in the Indianapolis area and lo and behold, OReilly Auto Parts carries them and there are a half dozen stores in my area. All sounds good at this point.
Now here is the best part, and all owners need to get this. While doing this search I also looked up the filters for the rest of our vehicles, one of them being an 04 Handa Civic. It was the same part number as the Vision. With a little additional research it became clear that all Vics from 05 and later use the same filter. That means that anywhere you are in the world you can get a filter that will fit your Victory. Just buy the filter that fits the Honda Civic. If Wixs, the world's largest filter manufacturer specs the same filter for both vehicles, than you can bet the filter requirements for the two vehicles are exactly the same.
Now here's what I discovered this evening while changing my oil using the Wix #51356 for the first time.
After removing my old filter I though I would start by visually comparing the Vic branded filter to the Wix to make sure it looked compatible. After spending about 15 minutes at it including measuring the threads with a thread gauge and other dimensions with a pair of dial calipers, I would bet money the Vic filter is manufactured by Wix. I could find absolutely no difference in the two filters. Every shape, crimp, material that I could see was exactly the same. Same number and size and shape of holes in the face, same external dims right down to within .005". Even the stamped plate the oil passes through had the number "20" stamped in the same location on both filters. Lastly the rubber gasket on both had a 1/8th inch wide yellow strip in the same location. Only difference was the name and number painted on the outside of the black painted casing.
So here's your answers Big Vic:
I'd say the Vic filter is manufactured by Wix fiter company, Wix #51356.
You can by them at many retailers across the country - look this up on the Wix web site.
I bought two at OReilly Auto Parts in Indianapolis for $6.99 each and they are always in stock. (That's because there are more Honda Civics in the US than most any other single model of car.)
That's almost two for the price of one Vic filter.
Lastly, if you are out on the road or just decide need to change your oil and filter at midnight, you could always resort to going to the local Walmart and pick up the best filter available that's specified for the Honda Civic and get the job done.
Now I must say I do believe there is a big difference in oil filters and so that last line is just for emergencies. The reason I chose the Wix brand is because I am convinced they make a top quality filter, probably second to none.
The main point I'm trying to make is that I'm very sure that for 7.00 bucks you can get a "Victory" filter with the real manufacturer's name on it and that it's probably sitting on a shelf in one of your local auto parts stores every day.
Look into it if you feel like it, I think this is some pretty good information for those trying to save a buck without cutting quality. And availability is almost universal throughout the U.S.
Ride safe and enjoy!
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New Bohemia, VA | SuperTech ST7317 $2.87 at wal-mart, 10% discount, bring it to 2.58 before Tax. I've been using these for some time now with no issues. Also, I notice, maybe it is just me though, my oil is more translucent using the ST when I change it. All other filters it seems darker than when I use the ST, maybe, just maybe it is my thinking.
Also, I'm going to go for bust on this one, I'm changing my oil right before my cali trip, and riding 2,600 miles out, my in around and then back again, on the same oil. I'm changing my filter before I return, and adding new the oil that would be lost in the filter. If I don't feel comfortable while out in Cali about doing that, I'll change it out completely. |
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | Here's some old data on oil filters http://tobycreek.org/oil_filters/index.shtml
I've always used Bosch 3233 in my 99 V92C ($6-$7) and Mobile1 M1-110's in my freedom engine bikes-same filter for the wife's Nissan Altima-I cleaned out the parts store when they were on sale for $7-I see 'em going for $10-$12 around here now-Brian |
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coweta ok | that's the same filter I used on my kawasaki nomad for 10 years. worked fine. I recently heard on the kawi forum that walmart isn't selling the supertech anymore. |
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New Bohemia, VA | walmarty - 2010-06-20 1:41 AM
that's the same filter I used on my kawasaki nomad for 10 years. worked fine. I recently heard on the kawi forum that walmart isn't selling the supertech anymore.
must have stopped in the last week or so... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Think I'll stick to the Victory filter as long as engine is stock. not because I think the Victory filter is any better, but for extended warranty issues. Polaris seems pretty uptight compared to the HD extended warranty plan.......... |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | SuperTech all the way! |
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LaPorte,Tx. | XRsteve - 2010-06-20 5:01 PM
Think I'll stick to the Victory filter as long as engine is stock. not because I think the Victory filter is any better, but for extended warranty issues. Polaris seems pretty uptight compared to the HD extended warranty plan..........
My dealer puts the NAPA 1356 filter on my bike when I have it in for service. It IS the Victory filter and is made by WIX, WIX number is 51356. Hell, they even leave the NAPA decal on the filter. |
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | Here's a NAPA 1356 gutted -there are better filters available out there if you want to give your bike the best-Brian
http://tobycreek.org/oil_filters/napa.shtml
and some more reading if you care to
http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Consumables.html
Edited by ByteN2it 2010-06-20 8:59 PM
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LaPorte,Tx. | ByteN2it, the link showed a 1358 filter, probably similiar to the 1356. |
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West Knoxville TN | I believe the 1358 has a shorter body. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I'm running the 1356 |
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Alberta, Canada | As long as its doing the job, who cares if you save a couple of bucks!! Just drink one less beer/cup of coffee and the difference is made up. Bigger fish to fry!! |
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Edmond, OK 2012 Vision, 2012 Cross Country | I am using a Baldwin B-1402 costs around 7.50. When you purchase a filter whomever the manufacturer is you are paying for filter media (the insides of the filter) Baldwin is in the business of making filters for the heavy duty market. They do make the for the automotive side as well. They are made in Karney, Nebraska. I became assocaited with them by my father and being in the trucking industry. A competor who ran only Cat engines in his equipment was having some engine failure issues and he contact Shell Oil for their opinion in this area and they advise him to use Shell oil to start with and the Baldwin filters first and Wix second. Wix also makes filters for Napa stores and their private label. I hope this helps and wish you guys all eht best and ride safe and as often as you can. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I have always used Victory oil and filter on my 1999 with almost 99,000 miles on it. I don't care if it's a little more , If I'm choosing between giving my money to auto parts store , walmart, or my vic dealer, my money is going to vic every time. |
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Lehigh Valley, Pa | I have eliminated the need to purchase a oil filter every time I change my oil. This also eliminates oil filter waste in our landfills, and I added some bling to the bike. I use the K&P Engineering oil filter which I purchased from Conquest, a bit pricey but it is a life time filter. Easy to work with, easy to clean and it looks good.
http://www.conquestcustoms.com/oilfilters.aspx
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New Bohemia, VA | RR0 - as a user of the cleanable filter, has the thought to clean it more often ever cross your mind? Since you're not purchasing a new one, and it wouldn't take much to pull, clean, replace and top off, would put even more life to an oil change. Just toying with a few ideas, as it has always made sense to go with a cleanable filter, I just don't know why I haven't yet. Thanks in advance. |
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Lehigh Valley, Pa | No I haven't, as dark as my oil comes out at the 2500 mark I never gave it a thought. I have recently changed oil brands (I did not say that) and am watching how this brand fairs in the vic. I apologize in advance for mentioning oil.  |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Lloyds sells the K&P also and can be bought through this sight to help support the geat work that is done here. |
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New Bohemia, VA | thanks for pointing that out wroman, I'm on the verge of going cleanable, wish I thought about it earlier. No need to apologize on the oil RR0, no matter what someone says about oil there will always be a rebuttal, expect it and glean out the information you are looking for. The cleanable filters are a metal mesh, and I wonder if that is what makes it black.
Is there anyone that has used the cleanable filter and tested their oil to see how well it stands up? I trust using a cleanable filter, but curious as whether there is an advantage beyond not throwing away all the replaceable ones? Since there is not much to clean, I wouldn't have a problem cleaning the filter every 2,000 miles and then changing the oil every 6,000 or so. Just throwing out the thoughts who have gone with the cleanable filter.
Edited by varyder 2010-08-30 10:03 AM
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Cruiser
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Baltimore, Md | I think there's more to the change interval than just debris in the filter. Things like general breakdown and viscosity - part of why Vic went with the neutral finder and their explanation of how oil interval changed due to that. I happen to use the K&P chrome filter, but haven't sent out the oil for testing. I also don't tell myself that it is cost effective, bcz at about 3 changes a year you would need at least 4 years or more to ever amortize the filter vs. paper. The advertised advantages of flow rate, filtering, cosmetic appearance, etc were enough for me. That Lloyd sells them seems to imply (correct me if I'm wrong) some acceptance of their worth or at least that he doesn't believe they are worse than paper. Bottom line, I don't think I'd extend the OCI to 6000 just based on cleaning the filter. I've never changed it without the oil at the same time, so I'm not sure how much oil would be lost with the case full. Sounds like it could get messy, but I would do it more often if loss could be controlled.
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Good point on losing oil flint, the next time I change my oil I'll pull the filter first to see how the flow is with a full crank case. I'm not looking at cost effectiveness as much as I'm looking at discarding the old filter somewhere. I beleve we should have stayed with cloth diapers but some how the industry convinced someone that we were using to much water to wash them, thus saving the environment as our landfills is getting filled with disposable diapers. Not an environmentalist, but it makes sense to me to use the cleanable filters.
On the OCI I've been around the 3, 4, 5,000 mark for some time now with no adverse affect. I've gone to 6,000 a couple of times, and figured that the filter cleaning then adding of new fresh oil, though a small amount will hold up. All the reports that I think I've read says that the oil is fine even after 5,000, and another grand shouldn't hurt. But all of this is worth the consideration. |
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Lehigh Valley, Pa | I have swapped a filter on a friends bike with out draining the oil first. You loose a small amount of oil, I wold guess slightly less than the the filter holds. I did it quick and a shop towel was enough to catch the oil. For me the majority of the oil stayed in the filter. |
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No oil!!! Let's talk filters!