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Iron Butt
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New York State | Saturday I rode my Vision to Jersey City NJ to work. I'm an electrician currently working on the PATH underground Train system. I was at the Exchange Place station, as a PATH sub contractor I am allowed to park on station grounds.
Exchange Place is directly across the Hudson River from where the twin towers were in NYC.
It is a very nice pier with great views, I like to think my Vision added to the beauty .
Well on my " Coffee break" I came above ground to enjoy the sun and fresh air.
There were people from all over the globe in the area and some of them admiring my Vision.
It makes me feel good to see how some react to the Vision
Sat the exception occurred a tourist in his thirty's was having his picture took posing all around my bike.
Then the unthinkable happened he jumped on the bike and continued posing.
My blood pressure sky rocketed I wanted to physically remove this guy from my ride. I clenched my teeth and forced myself not to get up. I realized if I had any contact with person I would end up arrested and out of a job.
I pulled out my cell and called my better half and let her talk me down.
The tourist caused no harm to the Vision I watched as he dismounted and left the area. I then inspected the bike and was relieved.
Had it been a teenager or younger person I could have handled it with ease but because this was an adult I was in rage mode.
Co workers told me I should have confronted the trespasser. They have no idea how hard it was for me to try to avoid the confrontation. I was very angry and if the tourist had given me a flip response I would have gone off.
My better half was pleased that I called her rather than following my reflexes.
How do other Vision owners deal with this it has never happened on any of my other rides ?
Edited by Trekwolf164 2010-05-03 12:04 PM
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | One warning " what the hell you doing on my bike" and then take it from there.................Response is critical on both sides............. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| One warning "LOOK, BUT DON'T UOUCH."
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Cottage Grove, Mn | ZERO TOLERANCE No warning |
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| Call the cops report that someone is trying to steal my ride.. Give them description and watch them squirm... last time they ever do it.. |
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | Same happened to eldset son. The guy saw him starting to boil and walking toward the jerk who quickly dismounted. Son's comment afterward was "How is this any different than me getting into his car and playing with the stereo?" I figure that there is none! I have the idea that you have the right to react as if you feel that they are trying to steal the bike and react accordingly. Discretion and reality dictates that you walk up and firmly request that they get off. You appreciate that it is a thing of beauty but to mount is is not acceptable. ANYone seeing the look on your face will quickly comply....
Edited by Jim 2010-05-03 1:00 PM
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| Don't know if I could have held back as you did. I probably would have walked up to him and said "Do you let strangers take your wife or girlfriend's panties down and stick their d*cks in their @ss without your permission? Then get the f^ck off my bike!
Some people just don't have a clue and they need to be educated on stuff like that. In Texas, you could assume he is attempting to steal your ride and have the right to use deadly force in protecting your property. Just my .02 |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I ALWAYS carry a good camera. Take HIS picture - and explain that the photo is to present in court so there is no misunderstanding about what is about to happen to him.... |
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New Bohemia, VA | NOEMTZ - 2010-05-03 1:54 PM
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Some people just don't have a clue and they need to be educated on stuff like that. In Texas, you could assume he is attempting to steal your ride and have the right to use deadly force in protecting your property. Just my .02
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New Bohemia, VA | Jim - 2010-05-03 1:52 PM
Same happened to eldset son. The guy saw him starting to boil and walking toward the jerk who quickly dismounted. Son's comment afterward was "How is this any different than me getting into his car and playing with the stereo?" I figure that there is none! I have the idea that you have the right to react as if you feel that they are trying to steal the bike and react accordingly. Discretion and reality dictates that you walk up and firmly request that they get off. You appreciate that it is a thing of beauty but to mount is is not acceptable. ANYone seeing the look on your face will quickly comply....
It is certainly an educational thing, but common sense and logic should dictate not to TOUCH someone elses property without express permission. No home training and certainly ignorant of want they are doing, though no excuse. I let people know when they have tresspass and my intent if they do not refrain immediately.
Wisdom was in calling your wife.
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | The camera is a really good idea. " What is your name?" is the next. If no comply at least you can ID him for the autopsy! You may not have educated the jerk, but you sure did your co-workers. Every bit helps so that maybe, the rest of us don't have to experience the boil. Our thanks Trekwolf! |
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guelph ontario | There is no way in hell that I would have tolerated this-if necessary the jerk would have been immediately removed with extreme prejudice if necessary. Doing so would educate him and all others who were around who might think its ok since nothing happened. |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | Had I not been at Work on PATH Property I would have educated the trespasser. But I need my job and tourists are the PATH's bread and butter. It may have been resolved peacefully but I did not trust myself to risk getting angry. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | In my not so calm opinion, I think you were right on in the way you handled the situation. Keep a watchful eye and stay disengaged. Unless you can see obvious damage coming there is no point in jeopardizing the job. Even if they understood and backed you it could be a black cloud over your head in future work. You just have to believe that what comes around - goes around. Someday someone will piss on his charcoal.
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | I would have walked up to him and asked him if you can get in his car and have your picture taken. Or just walk into their house... What is the difference? |
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New York State | ScoreBo - 2010-05-03 2:45 PM
I would have walked up to him and asked him if you can get in his car and have your picture taken. Or just walk into their house... What is the difference?
If I thought I could get close to the guy sitting on my bike without permission without injuring him I would have. |
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | Perhaps a seat patch , magnet attached for future. You do want to take Deer Crusher to work again and not worry....
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Iron Butt
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New York State | Jim - 2010-05-03 2:54 PM
Perhaps a seat patch , magnet attached for future. You do want to take Deer Crusher to work again and not worry....
That is a very good idea thanks |
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| How about installing an alarm system on your baby? The thought has crossed my mind.
Edited by kaydee 2010-05-03 3:06 PM
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Iron Butt
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New York State | kaydee - 2010-05-03 3:05 PM
How about installing an alarm system on the bike?
.On the weekends I work a 12 hour shift underground, no Radio signal can reach me. An Alarm might make my bike an annoyance that the police may feel required to move.
I normally work nights and there is very few people around. The PATH cops all know who owns the Bike and I am reasonably sure they would never allow it to be moved by a civilian.
The daytime photo shoot was an unusual occurrence, most just take pictures of the bike and avoid touching it.
It was pure chance that I witnessed the trespass .
I really like the sign idea I have copied it and will laminate and display it on weekends |
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | A bit of packing tape will do (no laminator!). There are more aggressive ones but I liked this one. I'd like to use a fridge magnet but where to stick it....
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| I would simply mount his fu#$%78 wife. |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | Jim - 2010-05-03 3:30 PM
A bit of packing tape?will do? (no laminator!). There are more aggressive ones but I liked this one.? I'd like to use a fridge magnet but where to stick it....
My Garmin mount will display it nicely |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | Also bears mentioning that in circumstances such as this, a better parking space could be chosen as to not allow the bike to be so open and accessible for those who may not know common courtesy and responsibility. I have a stretch seat cover (the kind that blocks the sun from just the driver and passenger seat. it kinda "floats" above the seat and takes 30 seconds to put on. This keeps people from even attempting to try to mount the bike. Doesnt stop the photogs but thats ok with me. |
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| i would have been worried that if I scared him as much as i was going to scare him he might hurt the bike getting off. That would only be, of course, if he ignored the .45 in his nose and my command "don't move". my other hand would be dialing 911 to ask for an ambulance. Of course youprobablydon't have that option in the people's republic. seriously i'm thinking most people would be afraid to even get close. that guy must be a real jerk |
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orrick, mo | Most people who mess with bikes just don't relize how much a bike can mean to a person.
I had a guy turn my bike around at work one day. If it had happened anywhere else or I
didn't need my job I would have ripped his head off and SH** down his throat. After
I cooled off he admitted to doing it. I explained in very frank language that you just don't
f*** with a mans ride. After he relized he would have probley lost his job and had to pay
for any damage done if he had dropped it he came around. I told him messing with another
mans bike is like fu**ing his wife. Good job keeping your head. |
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Yellowknife, NT Canada | Well you could walk up to him and ask if he has a wife or girlfriend. Then ask if you can climb on her and see how she feels.. He might attack you first..
I have a Scorpio SR-i900 alarm system, it would trip if he climbed on it. If you buy one of these get the bike specific harness. Worked slick. The other item I have used is the Xena XX-14 alarm also seems to be a good deterrent in public places. |
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| Well I surely wouldn't tell you how to respond BUT consider this; How many OTHER bikes will he sit on in he future because you didn't say something? Some people have NO respect for others property, others are just clueless. I try to never get mad, but I would have politely told him he had less than 1 second to get off my bike or he'd be walking with a permanent limp from my boot up his @$$.
This has happened to me in the past as I'm sure it has many here. Sorry it caused you agro....... |
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| Well I surely wouldn't tell you how to respond BUT consider this; How many OTHER bikes will he sit on in he future because you didn't say something? Some people have NO respect for others property, others are just clueless. I try to never get mad, but I would have politely told him he had less than 1 second to get off my bike or he'd be walking with a permanent limp from my boot up his @$$.
This has happened to me in the past as I'm sure it has many here. Sorry it caused you agro....... |
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | You simply don't touch someones elses bike. I thought everyone was born with this knowledge. Kind of like eating, no one teaches you, you just know. I guess some people are just born stupid and survive because mommy force feeds them. Darwinism doesn't have a chance these days. |
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Meadow, Texas | Remember that helmets are a multifunctional device....................... I've been know to let some fool put lip prints on my helmet when he tried to give me grief after I "requested" him to dismount my bike. So far I haven't had this problem with my Vision - just lookers is all.
The incident with the helmet occurred in my far gone youth - not sure what I'd do now but sure would be tempting. |
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San Antonio, TX | I do worry about this. My Vision is parked under surveillance cameras and my business has from two to three off duty city police officers in uniform on premise. After almost two years of daily riding most of the employees and all of the officers know who owns the motorcycles in the parking area.
I have had many calls over the years about people checking out the motorcycle area but no one has ever touched a bike that I am aware of. In the next two years a 8 foot iron fence will be going up around the area and I will feel better since foot traffic will be reduced to employees.
You showed great restraint. I would hope that I could hold back as well.
Ride Safe! |
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Columbus, Ga | What you want to do in these situations is get them away from your vehicle and stay away from your vehicle. I would have taken a picture with my phone and then walked up to him and asked "Can I help you?" This normally will get anyone to realise that you are the owner and not appreciative of what they are doing. The last thing you want to do is piss them off so that they damage your bike while your not looking. I have a 65 shelby cobra replica and its way worse with it than my vision. I have actually walked out to my car with someone sitting in it getting thier picture made. I wanted to kick out all his teeth but instead I kill them with kindness to get them away and stay away. You never know who has a gun these days and who will come back to key or kick over your bike. If the kindness route doesnt work, by all means beat the sh!t out them. It hasnt failed me yet though. |
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Boydsville, AR United States | Love the patch Jim; Where did you find it? |
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Saskatchewan (hard to say, easy to draw ) | I think that eagle has it right... just we get REALLY protective over what we value and after so many years of hand me downs, I am really proud of my machine, one of the few thaings I have that I got 'new'. To all, please get the travel cover and use it whenever out of site of the bike. No one can sit on it then. The patch I found on another site and any t-shirt place will make up a patch for you. I will get some made if needed just special for Trek! We understand the boil, the need for constraint and a wife in another sense! This forum can help for venting for those without a wife unit to calm us down.... Let it rip boys! Way better than a record.
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Stockton, Ca. | Scorpio Alarm with perameter sensor would do the job without any intervention at all. Once the idiot gets close the alarm sends out warning beeps, any additional presence would cause it to sound off. At that point you have a right to intervene but that is unlikely. Most folks would just stand back. I have one and it is very effective keeping the gaukers at a safe distance. Scorpio makes a harness for the Vision making the install a snap. |
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New Bohemia, VA | okthenbye - 2010-05-05 12:31 AM
Scorpio Alarm with perameter sensor would do the job without any intervention at all. Once the idiot gets close the alarm sends out warning beeps, any additional presence would cause it to sound off. At that point you have a right to intervene but that is unlikely. Most folks would just stand back. I have one and it is very effective keeping the gaukers at a safe distance. Scorpio makes a harness for the Vision making the install a snap.
Sure would save a lot of lives, or at least hospital bills for some. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | I like to go over, and piss on the drivers door of the offending persons car. They allways seem to get the point |
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Tucson,AZ | I use the Vision half cover. Keeps eyes, hands and a$$'s off the bike and my accessories. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | an alarm will Not stop someone from getting on your bike. i know this because it happened to me! i had a honda nighthawk in the 90s. i had an alarm with motion detection. i was at a burger king when all the sudden my alarm went off. i looked outside and a lady was lifting her son to sit on my bike! since there wasnt many cars in the parkinglot i knew which one was hers. and i sat on her hood. she got upset with that, so i flipped out! i think the alarm made the little boy want to sit on it more! most motorcycle alarms sound like toys/video games. unlike a cars alarm system. too be completely honest anytime my mc alarm went off No one cared. even when it false alarmed no one gave a damn.. |
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Prescott, Az | I caved in to a great set of hooters. I was in an Indian casino recently and as I came out with my pockets turned inside out I saw a sensational looking woman sitting on a retaining wall admiring the view of the Verde Valley-as I admired the view of her. She smiled real nice at me (or it was gas) and I'm afraid my smile was 1/4 smile and 3/4 leer and lots of drool. Then I heard a voice in very broken German/English asking to take a picture of my Vision. Looking away from the woman was difficult. I think my eyes made a velcro ripping sound as I looked from her to him. He said he wanted his wife in the photo with the bike. Sure, I said in a war movie German accent. I pointed to the side of the bike for her to stand. Instead she hopped up on the bike and Hans took her photo. All I could say was Vunderbar. I was sorry I did not have my camera and I was sorry she didn't scuff the paint so I could have something to remember her by. I did take the seat off and have it mounted on my garage wall. |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | Hey I let kids sit on my bikes all of the time.
With my permission.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Trekwolf164 - 2010-05-05 12:58 PM Hey I let kids sit on my bikes all of the time. With my permission. Well, the kid in the picture here wanted to sit on my bike today at McDonalds. You can tell from my expression what I thought about that!
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| I would have walked up and told him to get the hell off and that he had a better chance sleeping with my wife than he did getting on top of my Vision. Then I would have at least pushed him. I have always learned you don't touch another mans toys without asking. |
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Iron Butt
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Southeast Iowa | I am not near forgiving enough to greet ignorant assholes politely or settle things of this nature with a camera. I am fairly easy going and don't look for fights but had I been you I think this young man may have just found one. This dip-shit would have had all of 3 seconds to get off my bike and out of my reach before he got a serious lesson on how to respect other peoples property. Job or no job this jerk off had no right to touch your personal property and if he didn't have enough common sense to know this it was time for him to learn. |
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Allen Park, MI | Big Vic - 2010-05-07 4:57 PM
I am not near forgiving enough to greet ignorant assholes politely or settle things of this nature with a camera. I am fairly easy going and don't look for fights but had I been you I think this young man may have just found one. This dip-shit would have had all of 3 seconds to get off my bike and out of my reach before he got a serious lesson on how to respect other peoples property. Job or no job this jerk off had no right to touch your personal property and if he didn't have enough common sense to know this it was time for him to learn.
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