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| I installed a Power Commander V when I first got my bike and had it dyno tuned. It ran really great but soon after I decided to add a Ness Super Sucker. The choice was to either have the tuner tweek it again or try one of the maps downloaded off of the PC site for my application. I tried the PC map and it gave more power but also some surging at light throttle and even stalled a couple of times when taking off from a light. I figured I'd get the Autotune add-on since I am also scheduled for a set of Kevinx installed cams. Autotune consists of a control module for each cylinder connected in tandem that attach to the Power Commander, two wide band O2 sensors plus the wiring harnesses. Basically PC supplies a suggested table of Air/Fuel ratios (AFR) for the full range of throttle openings and engine RPM. Autotune continuously monitors the mixture via the O2 sensors and applies adjustments to the individual fuel maps in order to maintain the prescribed AFR. It also gives you the possibility to tweek the ignition timing throughout the range. Yesterday I hooked up the Autotune which was pretty straightforward. I ran into one self-imposed glitch but one call to Power Commander had a tech looking at my system through my computer where he quickly located the oversight. Today I rode it about 250 miles in a combination of freeway, mountain and stop and go traffic. The difference is absolutely amazing. Autotune has been trimming away all day and by the time I got home the motor was running as smooth as silk and the strongest yet. I checked the trim tables and they made changes all over the range. There is even a marked difference between the adjustments made to the front and rear cylinders. I accepted the trims which incorporates the adjustments permanently into the individual tables and clears the trims so it can continue further trimming. This process will go on until the trims become very minor. The Autotune cost $299 which is about the cost of a dyno tune but gives the system the ability to fine tune continuously as well as compensating when new components are added. I sure wish I had tried this on my previous Harley. Could have saved a bunch of money. Marc
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Southeast Iowa | Great info. I never really understood how the auto tune interacted with the PCV before. Sounds like an effective set-up. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I have the PCv and love it! After reading your review o might get the auto tuner as well. |
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seattle, wa | Thanks for the info. I am going to look into the PCv. |
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| BTW, here is a link to where I bought mine. They have discounted prices and excellent support. Marc
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East TN | Has it done anything to help with the backfiring??? |
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Northeast Ohio | Arkainzeye, what year is your bike? 2008? If so, what PC 5 part number did you get? |
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| joe schmoe - 2010-05-17 8:36 AM Has it done anything to help with the backfiring??? I just took a ride without ear plugs and.. surprise! Not one backfire! Marc
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| iluvink - 2010-05-17 11:32 AM Do these work for the 2008? I believe they do but I would call Power Commander and ask to be sure. 800-992-4993. Marc
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Pittsburgh, PA | ScoreBo - 2010-05-17 12:24 PM
Arkainzeye, what year is your bike? 2008? If so, what PC 5 part number did you get?
Yep, mine is a 2008 model. Had no issues at all.. plug and play. |
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Northeast Ohio | Do you know which one you got? I thought I read that us 2008 Vision riders needed the one for the Hammer. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | ScoreBo - 2010-05-17 7:17 PM
Do you know which one you got? I thought I read that us 2008 Vision riders needed the one for the Hammer.
i have the one listed for the 2009-2010 vision.
came with install instructions for the vision as well.
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Atlanta Area | Marc, just spoke with Dynojet because I'm interested in going this route with my new Vision. I had the old VFC cam setup on my 08. Can you please confirm the following? Dynojet stated that there is a built in Rev Extend that will extend the rpms +500 from stock. Autotune only adjusts fuel mapping and has no effect on timing. Timing can be adjusted on the base map the traditional way with the tables. (edit: just spoke with Kevin who is going to contact Lloyd to see about a PC-V map for the VM1s) Dynojet also stated that the default autotune setting of +/-20% can be upped to 50%
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| I can confirm all except rev extender. I haven't tried that and probably won't. I don't like to rev it that high. They put a suggested max of 20% adjustment without accepting the trims in case something goes wrong. That way it won't adjust so far that it wouldn't run well enoguh to get you home. I left the 20% in place.
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Northeast Ohio | Marc, Did the autotune module require any splicing or did it just plug into the unit? I read on another site that the AT-100 has a Harley power connector and was easy to splice in. |
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| Yep, plug and play except for the power cord. I just snipped the wires from the Harley plug and ran the black to a ground and the red to my heated liner control which is already tapped into a hot wire. There are lots of switched +12V wires available so no issue.
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Atlanta Area | Marc, questions about auto-tune. Do you leave your bike in auto-tune all the time or did you install the switch? Is it ok to run in auto-tune all the time? Any advantage to installing the switch to allow going back to just the base map? |
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| I leave mine in Autotune mode all the time. I don't know what the advantage would be to switch back to the base map. Maybe someone else might have an idea. The concept is to leave Autotune on all the time. The more it operates the closer the map gets to the recommended AFRs. Every once in a while you need to accept the trims it has made and then it continues trimming all over again. Eventually the trims get to be very small as it gets closer and closer to optimum running. That's where mine seems to be now. I checked it again yesterday and the trims were in the single digits. I'm getting cams in a few weeks and then it will start trimming all over again as it adjusts to the new setup. Pretty trick 
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Atlanta Area | Good news. Kevin will have plenty of practice with the auto tune and cams because he is doing mine and Webhair's bike on the 15th... |
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Peachtree City, GA | I am looking for to this upgrade... |
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| Any updates on the Power Commander V and Autotune. Mine has been running very poorly in cold weather. Thanks, Tim
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ESCALON CA. | TimS, your post lists vfc3, did you change? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | TimS - 2010-06-14 12:21 AM
Any updates on the Power Commander V and Autotune.? Mine has been running very poorly in cold weather. Thanks, Tim
cold?! how "COLD" does it get in Southen CA? lol |
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Peachtree City, GA | Just finished the install yesterday and then road home... Still need to install the Autotune modules and then start playing... More to come in a few weeks.
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| Sorry for the confusion. "... Mine has been running very poorly in cold weather ....". "Mine" should have been "My California 2008/Original VFC3 combo". I have been considering trying the Power Commander. I have one of the original VFC3's which was never tested on California Emissions bikes. Since I bought the original VFC3, the software on the newer ones changed at least once. My bike has been inconsistent lately. Runs pretty good in hot weather, bad in cold weather. Early year trips were a mixture of wide ambient temperature sweeps including altitude changes. The bike didn't like the transitions of temperature and altitude.
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| There is ice and snow in the mountains. I will ride in 30 degree weather. It isn't like Wisconsin when we had -27 degree weather and no way to escape it.
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| Webhair - 2010-06-14 11:56 AM Just finished the install yesterday and then road home... Still need to install the Autotune modules and then start playing... More to come in a few weeks. What performance mods have you done to your bike ? - High flow air filter?
- Airbox mod?
- Removal of the rubber intake flange?
- Pipes?
- Cams?
- Bagger NOS, [Turbo|Super]Chargers =) ?
- Other?
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Albuquerque, NM | What is the cost of the PCV with the Autotune module? Followed a link on another post but didn't see the price breakdown. |
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Albuquerque, NM | Emailed the vendor and got the following response:
The PC-V is $299.00 + 12.95 2-3 day shipping and the AT-100 is $299.00 For more info you can contact us at 877-729-4754 |
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Atlanta Area | Webhair has the S1L1 pipes, stage 1 air filter, Lloydz intake, VM-1 cams and PC-V. KevinX has started leaving the rubber snorkel on the bike. His direct testing resulted in a 3ft/lb loss in torque and a 1hp increase by pulling the snorkel...
I have the same basic setup as Webhair but with the Atom Bombs. We should both be getting our auto tune modules later this week.... |
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Peachtree City, GA | Auto Tune modules are in... So far, I am impress with that I am seeing... Put about 400 miles on over the weekend. Accepted the trim levels once half way through the weekend... Need to accept them again tonight to see what the differences are this round...
Another difference between 1atom12's and mine is his is running the stock flash and mine is running the Stage I flash.
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Reno County, KS | How do you perceive your fuel burning? Do any of you with PCV/Auto Tune suspect a rich or lean condition? I personally am having hell trying to fine tune out the plume of black exhaust that I get everytime I roll on the throttle. |
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Reno County, KS | Oh yeah, and ALSO: Has anyone here installed one of these on an 08 Vision? Last year when they were listing them they said it might work but they were not designed to work with 08. I only see 09 and 10 listed still. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i DO have a PCV installed on my 2008 victory vision tour... i have NO issues at all with it.. plug and play and works great! i do NOT have at this time the auto tune.. right now with my setup (s1l1, lloyd intake ) i dont feel the need for it. btw i am using the map designed for the s1l1 with the ness intake. All i did was install the pcv and download and install that map and ride.. it starts and rides way better then the s1l1 map which BTW is still installed on the bike.. my mpg is very good and running the bike on a cold start is very nice.. no surging... the maps are designed for the stock victory map, but after talking with the dynojet people they told me the victory s1l1 map is barely anything over stock anyways as the victory maps have to meet EPA regs.... so i just left the s1l1 in the vision. |
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Peachtree City, GA | It is hard to tell yet... With the Auto Tune modules you set what you want the Air to Fuel Ratios to be for the given RPM (250 RPM increments) at a percentage of throttle.
With that said I have mine set to 13.9 in the cruise range (2500-3500) from 5% to 20% throttle. Now I am letting the Autp Tune adjust the fuel maps to meet the target AFR's for each cylinder... It will take a little time for it learn and I need more time to go ride...
I did see some black smoke out of 1atom12's one evening - it was when he hit the rev-limiter.
Oh - I forgot to mention... The PCV also has a Rev-Extend feature that will allow you to raise the rev-limiter to 6000.
Yes - it does work and you can get there fast with the VM1 cams...
As for the setup working on an 08, I am not sure... It is my understanding that Power Command did not test it on an 08 - only on the 09's and 10's. But I did not hear that from PC so I really do not know.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | bigwill5150 - 2010-06-21 1:12 PM
How do you perceive your fuel burning? Do any of you with PCV/Auto Tune suspect a rich or lean condition? I personally am having hell trying to fine tune out the plume of black exhaust that I get everytime I roll on the throttle.
That black plume is pretty much gonna be there if you want mx HP. A Vic making real power needs to run AF in the very low 13's on WOT |
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East TN | OK, so I have the KevinX treatment on my Vision...Cams, VFC3 and intake plate (back in December '09)...I do experience surging when my Vision is cold, I have back firing, sometimes, a little hesitation on take offs...And occasionally stalls when not warmed up... Would the PC-V and auto-tune help with any of these issues??? Especially the stupid backfiring!!! I haven't installed the IAC yet, but I do have one to help try an eliminate the backfiring...
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | joe schmoe - 2010-06-23 7:39 AM
OK, so I have the KevinX treatment on my Vision...Cams, VFC3 and intake plate (back in December '09)...I do experience surging when my Vision is cold, I have back firing, sometimes, a little hesitation on take offs...And occasionally stalls when not warmed up... ?Would the PC-V and auto-tune help with any of these issues??? Especially the stupid backfiring!!! I haven't installed the IAC yet, but I do have one to help try an eliminate the backfiring...
In a word NO |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Kevin will a complete remapping with dyno tuning get rid of the backfiring ?? |
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Peachtree City, GA | I am pretty much convinced you can not get rid of all of the backfiring... With that said, I just turn up the radio and go ride.
The first ride after installing the PCV - it was popping bad. After it warmed up and then later after installing the Auto Tune modules it did get better - BUT - it is still there occaionally...
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East TN | Webhair - 2010-06-25 8:08 AM I am pretty much convinced you can not get rid of all of the backfiring... With that said, I just turn up the radio and go ride. The first ride after installing the PCV - it was popping bad. After it warmed up and then later after installing the Auto Tune modules it did get better - BUT - it is still there occaionally...
What about the cold (engine temperature) surging??? Seems like mine (surging issue) is getting worse the more miles i put on her!
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Woodland Hills, CA | I have S1L1 pipes and mapping, performance air filter and the Kevinx treatment with cams, VFC, etc. The bike runs great, is fast with strong acceleration, and great mileage (all much better than in stock configuration). The backfiring I had with the S1L1 kit was almost completely eliminated after Kevinx was done, and seems to just get better the more I ride (as does the performance and mileage). Admittedly, there is still an occasional pop here and there, but mostly only in cold weather. But the bike otherwise seems to be preforming great.
I am always interested in improvements, and have been looking at the PCV for a while, but at this point I would want a lot more info before I even considered changing my current set up. Years of riding modified Harleys left me with the experience that the more work I do to modify a bike, the more trouble I seem to have. Of course, we all have our own takes on this, and I am sure others have very different experiences.
The only thing I know for sure is that I am no expert, so I rely on guys like Kevinx who know much more than me. When, and if, those experts recommend the PCV for improved performance, including mileage, I will consider taking the leap. Until then I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" theory. |
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| Let me start by saying, "I am no means a motorcycle expert"......BUT, as with cars & trucks, there is "always" more left on the table by manufactures and the maps we get for these vehicles are generic at best with a stock vehicle. If anyone can see the cells in the table when a vehicle is being programmed, they can actually SEE how much is left and/or screwed up by the manufacture. I have seen this with my truck, my z06 and I know my vision stock program is waaaaaay too lean. A dyno with a commander and/or other computer module that can be modified manually or with a power commander is worth their weight in gold. By far, Lloydz vf3 and/or a power commander is a MUST for every vehicle (only motorcycles in this conversation). In my opinion, there is NO way that a well trained dyno person WITH a well trained power commander technician can be beat out of the best possible results for your bike. That is the Bar to reach. I HOPE that the new Autotune is a major step forward with positive results as this will weed out the dyno people who are basically $12 per hour hires by a motorcycle company that really does not know much or should know a lot more but still charges the consumer 150 + per hour for a dyno that is basically worthless. I religiously watch and admire the knowledgeable posts of Kevinx, Lloyd and others to direct us with their experitise in lieu of ALL of our opinions.
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Peachtree City, GA | joe schmoe - 2010-06-25 12:25 PM
Webhair - 2010-06-25 8:08 AM I am pretty much convinced you can not get rid of all of the backfiring... With that said, I just turn up the radio and go ride. The first ride after installing the PCV - it was popping bad. After it warmed up and then later after installing the Auto Tune modules it did get better - BUT - it is still there occaionally...
What about the cold (engine temperature) surging??? Seems like mine (surging issue)?is getting worse the more miles i put on her!
I have not really noticed it. But now that you have brought it up I will pay attention for it and let you know.
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Pittsburgh, PA | i hope the PC5 has a feature where you can set the (first 60 seconds OR MORE) to be more rich of a mixture.. |
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AZ | Hello,
New owner here. Based on this thread I purchased a PCV and Auto Tune from Fuel Moto for my 09 Vision. It arrived yesterday. This thread stated others ordered the AT100 but I was sent the AT200. Fuel Moto is aware it was for a 09 Vision as that is what my PCV is labeled and how my invoice is labeled.
So my question...do I need one O2 sensor (AT200) or two O2 sensors (AT100).
thanks in advance
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Atlanta Area | You need the AT-100. It comes with two modules and O2 sensors. The only change you need to make is cut off the factory Harley power connector and splice into a switched 12v source...
If you go to DynoJet's website, you can clearly see they list the AT-100 with the Vision PC5.
There are several people (including myself) running the AT-100 setup and it works flawlessly...
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Atlanta Area | Arkainzeye - 2010-06-26 8:50 AM i hope the PC5 has a feature where you can set the (first 60 seconds OR MORE) to be more rich of a mixture.. You can set this time in the software. It defaults to 60 seconds, but you can set it for whatever you want....
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| 1Atom12, I seeu have Lloydz cams on your bike. When the cam was installed, weren;t u provided a map from lloydz? 2nd question - If you were provided a map, why did u go with the autotune module? 3rd and final question - Did u feel a difference between the "before" the install of the autotune compared to the current map you had with the cams and "after" the install of the autotune? Your answers are appreciated |
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Atlanta Area | northeastleds - 2010-06-27 9:21 AM 1Atom12, I seeu have Lloydz cams on your bike. When the cam was installed, weren;t u provided a map from lloydz? 2nd question - If you were provided a map, why did u go with the autotune module? 3rd and final question - Did u feel a difference between the "before" the install of the autotune compared to the current map you had with the cams and "after" the install of the autotune? Your answers are appreciated Lloydz map did not include auto tune tables. It also did not include separate fuel tables for front and rear cylinders. Webhair and I basically had to start from scratch and create a new map which included auto tune tables and front and rear cylinder fuel tables. When Kevin did our cams, he only installed the PC5, not the auto tune. Webhair and I installed the auto tunes about a week later. Night and day difference between the Lloydz VM-1 map and what the auto tune did and continues to do. To Lloydz credit, he has his own fuel management system that he is trying to promote and it works beautifully. However, my personal opinion is there is more potential with PC5 with auto tune, just do the math. Add fuel, subtract fuel, add timing, retard timing, free rev extend to 6K, auto tune trimming. If you are thinking of just installing the PC5 with Lloydz VM-1 map without auto tune, go with the VFC3 instead... The VFC is simple, proven and works awesome...
Here is a pic of where we installed the auto tune modules. DynoJet's website has Vision-specific instructions for the PC5 install with pics
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Atlanta Area | Here is a pic showing the stock Harley AT-100 plug cut off and tapped into the switched 12vdc power under the seat access cover using blade connections:
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| Thank u for the great pics and the informative answers. This post should help a lot of members out including myself. |
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Peachtree City, GA | 1atom12 is correct LLoydz has built an awesome product with the VFCIII and it works very well. He has spent a lot of time developing and perfecting it. However a end user can only adjust the lower middle and high ranges of it.
With the PCV a person or tuner can adjust the fuel table for the RPM and throttle position in 250 RPM increments and 5% throttle increments. And if your really eager to go for it you can do it for each gear (I am not that eager - yet).
Lloydz map is set up as most tuners would. one fuel table for both cylinders. I believe it is because of using the sniffer in the exhaust pipe and the way the Vision pipes are set up. If someone close to DynoJet would take their Vision in to them with the VM1 cams... They could build a map for you that would tune each cylinder. I believe you have to have the correct equipment and pull each of the two O2 sensors to build the map... (There are not too many tuners that would do this or have all of the equipment).
You can also set up a timing table which Lloydz maps does and I believe that is needed for the cams. One of these days I will ask Lloyd but work keeps getting my way...
The Auto Tune modules it appears to work as advertised... you can set up targeted AFR ratios for each cylinder (in 250 RPM and 5% throttle increments) and then it will trim the fuel tables to adjust to the target. Does it work???? I think so, but I am from Missouri and you have to show me.... The jury is still out.
Any wrench will tell you... each bike is a little different. With this set up it should be pretty close to what is needed for that bike....
Now - someday I do plan on having dyno'd to find out for sure, but for now the bike is running very well. I still need to verify the mileage increase but the bike's on-board system is reporting 3.3 mpg increase.
I am blessed enough to have two Visions - both set up with VM1 cams. One with a VFCIII and one with the PCV.... We will see which one I like better as time goes on... (of course that is if I can get the 08 away from my wife...)
Another feature is that you can add a LCD module to the PCV that will store additional maps and you can switch them on the fly. I have not added the LCD to my system because the tech at Fuel Moto did not think it is really much more then a nice toy type item and was not worth the money yet... A little too expensive for me to play with - but I might some day...
So it is really just a choice... VFCIII simple sweet and easy to work with - PROVEN or a more complicated device PCV that can be tweaked incrementally.... Do you want to just ride and know it works well or do you want to experiment and play with the hopes of finding the perfect (not going to happen) tuning for your bike...
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Having the PCV and AT100 installed on Saturday...looking forward to it.
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East TN | XRsteve - 2010-06-30 12:15 PM What would be the correct Power Commander with auto tune for a '08 Vision ?? ..........Thank you............ PC-V and AT100...not sure of the map as it depends on YOUR CURRENT configuration! |
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| PowerCommander's web site indicates these are for 2009 and 2010. Has anyone tried them on a 2008 ? Thanks, Tim |
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Pittsburgh, PA | If u read the previous posts your see this was asked a few times already. But to give u a quickly. YES it does work. |
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| Great, thanks, sorry for being lazy. You would think that PC would update their website especially if they are loosing sales over it. Tim |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I personally talked to chris with power commander, and he said the reason they didn't list the 2008 models are because all the tests were done on 09 models etc. He actually want me to report to him how my install went and how it worked on my 08 model... the customer support from them is tremendous! I asked so questions and they never were rude and always were helpful.. |
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Peachtree City, GA | XRsteve - 2010-06-30 5:44 PM
Thanks everybody, this has been a good posting.............
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Webhair: I live out in carrollton, who do you use as your main dealer/ service person. I bought mine down in Columbus and have been utilizing the Kennesaw store for parts, oil, filters and service. Kennesaw is 55 miles and Columbus is like 75 miles are there any closer ?? |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | For the most part - I use my garage and do most of my own work. Things that I don't do (not much) I usually will go to Cummings. There is also King Custom Cycles in Fairburn. The owner, Phil King use to be the service manager at Blackjack before they closed.
Anything Major - Gainesville, FL (home of KevinX)!!!!
I have bought parts from both Cummings and Kennesaw but usually will order on-line from Surdyke motorsports or Maxim Powersports at a 20% discount.
I'll PM you my cell number and we can talk more... Actually I am off tomorrw and a few Vic owners and I will be playing in the garage... |
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Iron Butt
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| I looked at their Vision map set and nothing is close to my setup. What did you use for your initial map configuration? I also see the PCV has various [0-5] volt inputs. Do you know which ones work with the Vision?
Thanks, Tim
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Iron Butt
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| marcparnes - 2010-05-30 6:50 PM I leave mine in Autotune mode all the time. I don't know what the advantage would be to switch back to the base map. Maybe someone else might have an idea. ... Marc I was reading one of the HD forums about the PCV and one reason for 2 maps was a lean high mileage map and a rich "cooling" map for stop and go traffic. Another possibility would be a performance map and a "smog-check map" if they start smog checking bikes =).
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Iron Butt
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| Arkainzeye - 2010-06-26 4:50 AM i hope the PC5 has a feature where you can set the (first 60 seconds OR MORE) to be more rich of a mixture.. I read the PCV software manual and it appears you can configure a startup map to run either by time or temperature.
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | I have mine configure to have a 60 second start up delay before reading the O2 sensors... There is no temp sensor on our bikes that I know of - but have not dug into that end of it.
As for the map. My base map is one that Lloyd provided with the VM1 cams. Then the Auto Tune modules adjusted it from there...
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Iron Butt
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| Webhair - 2010-07-06 6:17 AM I have mine configure to have a 60 second start up delay before reading the O2 sensors... There is no temp sensor on our bikes that I know of - but have not dug into that end of it. As for the map. My base map is one that Lloyd provided with the VM1 cams. Then the Auto Tune modules adjusted it from there... Thanks for the info. In need to get mine functional so I can take it to DynoJet to get a specific map for my configuration made up. I looked at their map set and they do not have any published maps close to my configuration. Sincerely, Tim |
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Atlanta Area | Tim, there are several of us that would be very interested in taking a look at your map once DynoJet works their magic... Many of us are running similar setups to yours....
Thanks,
Adam |
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Iron Butt
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| I emailed DynoJet over the weekend and they said they are making new exhaust tubes to better test the Vision with and that it should be ready to go in a couple of weeks. I then need to find time from work to get over there and have it done. In the mean time, I am trying to the PCV and AutoTune installed with a workable base map (and trying to get the VM1 map to start with). Sincerely, Tim |
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East TN | Do the new Bosch wide band o2 sensors fit in the exisiting Victory o2 sensor bungs??? |
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Atlanta Area | joe schmoe - 2010-07-06 2:44 PM Do the new Bosch wide band o2 sensors fit in the exisiting Victory o2 sensor bungs??? Yes, straight swap...
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Thus far Lloyd has yet to have a bike with better numbers, or better drivability with these systems. I'm still thinking it is a great way to overcomplicate a very simple system. Not to mention the chance of pulling the threads in the head pipes while removing the OEM sensors |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Webhair - 2010-07-06 10:17 AM
I have mine configure to have a 60 second start up delay before reading the O2 sensors... There is no temp sensor on our bikes that I know of - but have not dug into that end of it.
As for the map. My base map is one that Lloyd provided with the VM1 cams. Then the Auto Tune modules adjusted it from there...
There is a temp sensor on all Vic bikes.
BTW one of the proponents of the PCV in this thread contacted me today about going to a VFC; as he has a couple of concerns that never occurred with his previous bike, and performance wise. There is little to no difference |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Kevin what are you running on your personal bike ? Exhaust, map, intake and so forth, if I remember right you like the thundersticks ? |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | I am still running my VFC, but am really interested in the PC-V with Autotune for altitude and tempurature changes. Not enough to make the plunge yet though. After you helped me to button up my settings the bike runs spanktacular!
Edited by ScoreBo 2010-07-07 3:11 PM
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Pittsburgh, PA | i like the idea of the PCV being able to have a swtich as well to toggle between settings as you ride in real time. |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Does the PC use manifold vacuum as a reference? I spent a couple of years with a Thundermax with wide band sensors and I would not want to go back to a system that does not use manifold vacuum as a reference. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | XRsteve - 2010-07-07 3:49 PM
Kevin what are you running on your personal bike ? Exhaust, map, intake and so forth, if I remember right you like the thundersticks ?
Comparing any of my bikes is an apple/orange thing. I ride a KP, and a CC for my personal rides. On those bikes though I run a VFC2 because it is even SIMPLER then the VFC3, and we all know I favor simple solutions.
For Vision pipes I like the Atom Bombs based strictly on sound |
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Oregon | I have had nothing but problems after installing the Lloydz Vision trifecta... VFCIII, Intake Plate, and AIV. I have read the Lloydz instructions over and over and over, installing EXACTLY AS STATED, trying to interpret and interpolate the stated settings based on my intake/exhaust configuration. I have tried a bazillion other combinations settings. The Lloydz folks are very gracious and generous but a little difficult to get a hold of (partially due to time zone differences).
My 2010 Vision (S1/L2, K&N, stock map) would often cough/stall on throttle blip, sometimes not start, and regularly exhibit engine light errors on the console display. Once I replaced the Intake Plate with the stock plate, the cough/stall stopped, had more "reliable" performance in general, and some errors never re-appeared. Of course, that noticable power increase was also gone. Once I replaced the AIV with a brand new stock AIC hose assembly, I had no starting problems, even more reliable performance, and fewer errors displayed. I think I'm close on the VFCIII settings (3.5/4.0/3.5/0/3.5/3.5) so power is better than stock but still lackluster, which is why I started this whole process. I have no true Victory experts with a Dyno here in Portland OR (that I know of) to confirm. I am very frustrated. Although it's getting better, that feeling of dissatisfaction is a terrible thing on what would normally be a spiritual ride. Not to mention thinking about pi**ing away money.
I am desparate for resolution and closure so I can enjoy my new Vision (hopefully as much as I enjoyed/enjoy my 2007 Kingpin hotrod). The PCV/AutoTune combo is compelling, at least for knowing that you're getting the most from what you have installed. I can live with not having a superfast Vision <sniff><sniff>. I can't live with a slow or unreliable motorcycle.
Expert opinions?... about motorcycle tuning, not my mental health.
Pat McQ
Edited by PatMcQ 2010-07-11 1:47 PM
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NC | Now that this thread is a year old, what new experiences can you share with running the Power Commander 5 with the Autotune on a 2008? A year later and Power Commander still doesn't specify their equipment to work on 2008 models. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i see now the auto tune model for the vision is no longer the at-100 but Now is at-300 according to power commanders wbersite. my question is. WHO has the CHEAPEST price for this unit???? |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Chris, I got mine from Hardracing.com for $329. http://www.hardracing.com/Autotune.htm
eBay has one for $333.14 with free shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DYNOJET-POWER-COMMANDER-V-AUTOTUNE-KIT-DUAL... |
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Rossville, IL | Got mine at Dennis Kirk for $303.99 plus free shipping. They will price match as well.
https://www.denniskirk.com/dynojet/autotune-kit-for-power-commander-... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | thanks guys!!! |
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Iron Butt
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| Fuel Moto used to be $299. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | just wondering. has anyone on here ever done the (DUAL MAPS)? chris from power commander told me one of the features of the auto tune and pc5 is you can create 2 maps and then disable the auto tuner and use a switch to Switch between the two maps. he said you could do something like this... Create map for best power and then create a map for best fuel economy. one example of using this would be if you were touring on your vision and wanted the Best Mpg.... its just another feature that can be used. from what i understand once you get the auto tune and get your map dialed in there isnt a use for the auto tuner at that point. so you can use the on off switch for dual maps.
he said it also allows you to use a pvc for more than just creating and map and then your done..
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Cruiser
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Danville, CA | Sorry for your troubles.. You really need a pro to do this.. I suggest putting bike on a trailer and taking it to an expert somewhere in CA.. Bill Rohm in Yuba City comes to mind and closest to you...
Jus my 2 cents.. I have had 2 Lloyds modified bikes and love them, but have had them done professionally...
Good luck. Brett |
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Northeast Ohio | Bones - 2012-03-05 7:35 AM
Got mine at Dennis Kirk for $303.99 plus free shipping. They will price match as well.
https://www.denniskirk.com/dynojet/autotune-kit-for-power-commander-...
Damn you, Bones! Where were you two months ago when I bought this! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | hey scorebo what mods do you have to your 2011? the reason i ask is. i would love to see your map.. if you had the same setup as mine (im not asking for a free map) just a photo of your cells.. i wanted to see how they changed from a stock map.. i know each bike is different. im just very curious |
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