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New York | I'm getting close to my first oil change, (2500 mile one) , and want to find out if others are using or has used Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40 in their Victory Vision. And how they like/disliked using it so far...does it shift OK..smoother running etc...
I would like to continue to use because I used it in my last bike, a Honda VTX and found that the VTX shifted better and engine seemed smoother running; although it might of been psychological.
Thanks in advance for any comments, opinions...
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Hinton, Iowa | Try Rotella T5 semi-synthetic.Works great in my Vision,No cltch slipage
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Go with the semi synth 15/40[silver bottle]. It is closer to the specked viscosity, and as a blend it is much less likely to cause clutch issues |
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New York | Maybe I shouldn't of asked this question here.... First off, Rotella t5 isn't even recommended for use in motorcycles. It's an energy saving motor oil and is JASO DH-2 recommended.. MA is not included.
I didn't ask what I should go with either... I asked a specific question whether anyone used Rotella T synthetic 5w-40 (blue bottle) and what they thought...
And please airguy and kevinx don't take it the wrong way.. I understand your concern.
Thanks again..
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Pittsburgh, PA | I used the blue bottle in one of my kawasakis. It did the job. I never had clutch issues with it either.. very cheap oil change when buying. The jug at Wally world |
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Central Wisconsin | joeC - 2010-07-03 10:35 PM...want to find out if others are using or has used Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40 in their Victory Vision....Thanks in advance for any comments, opinions... I blend 50% Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40 and 50% Shell Rotella T (non-synthetic) 15w-40. I've been happy with the blend in both of my bikes, with smooth shifting and no clutch slippage. Plus I use a Bosch #3323 oil filter for the Vision. 
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | joeC - 2010-07-03 11:35 PM
Thanks in advance for any comments, opinions...
If you don't want comments or opinions; then I would recomend leaving this line out |
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New York | kevinx - 2010-07-04 10:21 AM
joeC - 2010-07-03 11:35 PM
Thanks in advance for any comments, opinions...
If you don't want comments or opinions; then I would recomend leaving this line out
If I knew every word literally was going to be torn apart and scrutinized I would of wrote: "Any comments and opinions on the above Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40 only".
Again like I said the topic is Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40...not any other motor oil. I am new to the Victory Forums, however I've been on other forums for years such as VTXOA.com and I'm not looking for a forum argument. I just stated a comment as politely as I could. I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way.
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Grand Cane, LA | I used the 5w-40 in my last bike, a Kawasaki Meanstreak, no problems at all with it. Haven't tried it with the Vision yet as I had the nerve to try Amsoil, which I now regret. This crap will make your clutch slip. I'm in the processing of changing it on the next oil change. Had Lucas synthetic motorcycle oil in on the last change and no problems with it, but the local O'Reilly's didn't have any in yet when I needed to change. |
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Chattanooga, TN | joeC - 2010-07-04 1:59 AM . First off, Rotella t5 isn't even recommended for use in motorcycles. It's an energy saving motor oil and is JASO DH-2 recommended.. MA is not included. I didn't ask what I should go with either... I asked a specific question whether anyone used Rotella T synthetic 5w-40 (blue bottle) and what they thought... joeC, I'm not so new to this forum, but have come to greatly appreciate the camaraderie I have found with my fellow Vision owners, in just a few months. Folks here are happy to comment and offer assistance in any way possible. We come out of the wood work to help each other and to offer advice. Not long ago, a biker had a flat tire (pronounced 'tar') while out of town somewhere in the Carolinas who happened upon a member of this forum. The member put out an alert and someone else with the tools and the know how went to the scene and changed his tire on the spot. That's what it's all about. Now, if there's one topic here that's hotly debated it's brand of oil choice, viscosity, syn vs. semi-syn ad nauseum. I for one, love a good oil thread. It's time to pop some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show. Being new to the site, I hope you find what you're looking for. I would try not to sound so defensive in your responses. Being "right" might win the argument, but it won't win any friends. They were just offering advice at a price anyone could afford, FREE!! FYI, kevinx is a Victory mechanic who really know his stuff, widely respected. I don't know him personally, but I have heard so much about him, I'd seek him out anytime I needed one. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Like always with oil threads people start getting pissed........... it's fun to read, How many does this make ?????? |
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New York | baadawg - 2010-07-04 2:25 PM
joeC - 2010-07-04 1:59 AM ?. First off, Rotella t5 isn't even recommended for use in motorcycles. It's an energy saving motor oil and is JASO DH-2 recommended.. MA is not included. I didn't ask what I should go with either... I asked a specific question whether anyone used Rotella T synthetic 5w-40 (blue bottle) and what they thought... ? ?joeC, I'm not so new to this forum, but have come to greatly appreciate the camaraderie I have found with my fellow Vision owners, in just a few months. Folks here are happy to comment and offer assistance in any way possible. We come out of the wood work to help each other and to offer advice. Not long ago, a biker had a flat tire (pronounced 'tar') while out of town somewhere in the Carolinas who happened upon a member of this forum. The member put out an alert and someone else with the tools and the know how went to the scene ?and changed his tire on the spot. That's what it's all about.? Now, if there's one topic here that's hotly debated it's brand of oil choice, viscosity, syn vs. semi-syn ad nauseum. I for one, love a good oil thread. It's time to pop some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show. Being new to the site, I hope you find what you're looking for. I would try not to sound so defensive in your responses. Being "right" might win the?argument, but it won't win any friends. They were just offering advice at a price anyone could afford, FREE!! FYI, kevinx is a Victory mechanic who really know his stuff, widely respected. I don't know him personally, but I have heard so much about him, I'd seek him out anytime I needed one.
Thank you for letting me in on all the good people here on this forum and how they'll go out of there way to help others in time of need..that's very comforting to know.
I understand how oil can be very controversial, similar to religion and politics, and like I said I hope kevinx does not take what I said in the wrong way. I do not know him at all, however I've noticed he's a veteran here on this forum and people respect his knowledge. If I offended him I hope he accepts my apology along with anybody else I might of offended...
Now back to the question at hand.. has anyone used Rotella T 5w-40 in there Vision????  |
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New York | XRsteve - 2010-07-04 2:44 PM
Like always with oil threads people start getting pissed........... it's fun to read, How many does this make ??????
I don't know why they should... |
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New York | By the way thanks for all the opinions thus far on Rotella T 5w-40... still waiting to see if anyone uses or used it in the Vision exclusively and would like to share thoughts and opinions on it. |
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New York | Thomas - 2010-07-04 8:46 AM
joeC - 2010-07-03 10:35 PM...want to find out if others are using or has used Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40 in their Victory Vision....Thanks in advance for any comments, opinions... ? ? I blend 50% Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40 and 50% Shell Rotella T (non-synthetic) 15w-40. I've been happy with the blend in both of my bikes, with smooth shifting and no clutch slippage. Plus I use a Bosch #3323? oil filter for the Vision. ? ?
I've never tried mixing 2 different blends before, but it sounds like it works good for you! |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Some advice for you Joe. Before you ask about something like OIL or MIRRORS or TIRES - any 'common to all' subject ...
DO A SEARCH ! Click on FORUM - then type in a word or two or three - and then read the responses. If you can't find your answer there, it is because:
1. No one cares
2. You have stumbled upon something no one else has thought about
If you can't find your answers there, THEN a new thread is welcomed - as long as it doesn't have the word OIL in it.....
And yes - some of us will have fun with you - and if you fight back - then we REALLY have fun !
Welcome to the FUN house, Joeseph... |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Changing oil is about as far as many people go as far as servicing there bike. It makes people feel good to change there oil. Forthe most part you can run almost anything without anything bad happening that you can detect. I have a friend that chages oil so much he should buy stock except it is always different oil in one of the three holes.He is always convinced whatever he has just put in has made some positive difference.
I have used Rotells 5W40 and the bike used no oil at all. With the 15w40 is used at least 1/2 qt in 1K. Shifting action seemed to be bettter with 5W40 even after 2,000 miles |
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New York | donetracey - 2010-07-04 4:10 PM
Some advice for you Joe. Before you ask about something like OIL or MIRRORS or TIRES - any 'common to all' subject ...
DO A SEARCH ! Click on FORUM - then type in a word or two or three - and then read the responses. If you can't find your answer there, it is because:
1. No one cares
2. You have stumbled upon something no one else has thought about
If you can't find your answers there, THEN a new thread is welcomed - as long as it doesn't have the word OIL in it.....
And yes - some of us will have fun with you - and if you fight back - then we REALLY have fun !
Welcome to the FUN house, Joeseph...
Thank you for all the tips....and thank you for welcoming me to the Fun House...
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New York | wroman - 2010-07-04 4:29 PM
Changing oil is about as far as many people go as far as servicing there bike. It makes people feel good to change there oil. Forthe most part you can run almost anything without anything bad happening that you can detect. I have a friend that chages oil so much he should buy stock except it is always different oil in one of the three holes.He is always convinced whatever he has just put in has made some positive difference.
I have used Rotells 5W40 and the bike used no oil at all. With the 15w40 is used at least 1/2 qt in 1K. Shifting action seemed to be bettter with 5W40 even after 2,000 miles
Now this is what I was looking for!!!! Thank you!!!!
wroman I have used Rotells 5W40 and the bike used no oil at all. With the 15w40 is used at least 1/2 qt in 1K. Shifting action seemed to be bettter with 5W40 even after 2,000 miles |
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Fargo, ND | Hello Joe & Welcome to this Forum, I do use 5 / 40 Rotella Synthetic in my Vision. I have for probably the last 2 or 3 oil changes. I also have used it in previously owned bikes and have found no reason to dislike it. I do feel it does provide very smooth shifting and haven't noticed any clutch slipping. It's synthetic, inexpensive and readily available. I'm in Rotella's corner! I hope you enjoy your Vision! |
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New York | Flatsix - 2010-07-04 11:31 PM
? Hello Joe & Welcome to this Forum, I do use 5 / 40 Rotella Synthetic in my Vision.? I have for probably the last 2 or 3 oil changes.? I also have used it in previously owned bikes and have found no reason to dislike it.? I do feel it does provide very smooth shifting and haven't noticed any clutch slipping.? It's synthetic, inexpensive and readily available.? I'm in Rotella's corner! I hope you enjoy your Vision!
Thank you for welcoming me Flatsix, and also thank you for replying to this post. Like yourself, I used the 5w-40 in previous bikes and never had any issues with clutch slipping.. in fact, the bikes seem to shift smoother and run quieter....However, since this will be my first oil change on the Vision I was hoping experienced seasoned Vision owners that have used the 5w-40 Rotella T would inform me what they thought of the oil...You were one of them... Again Thank you for the info!!  |
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Ventura County, CA | I usually hate to get involved in these oil wars, but I ONLY use Rotella T 5w-40 in every bike I have ever owned for the past 10 years. Never had a problem. I have no clutch issues running rotella. I purchased this bike used and the dealer did the oil change using Amsoil. I ended up having to change it at 2K miles due to the shifting and clutch problems I was having. Replaced with Rotella T, problems went away. Only have had one problem in all of the years using Rotella and that is with my 2 stroke KTM. I just purchased T5 to try in it as the Rotella T6 has started to slip with the aftermarket racing clutch I have installed. The manufacture of the clutch told me to run the standard Rotella 15-40 as this is what they run and recommend. I figured I would try the T5 blend first. The nice thing about using Rotella T6 in just about everything I own is only having to stock one oil in my garage. Bikes, Quads, RV, Lawnmower, generators and anything else besides my cars that take oil. BTW, I probably have the only Lawnmower running synthetic oil and Premium unleaded since it is the only thing I run in all of my bikes. But it is over 12 years old and still runs like new.
Oil to most people is like the bikes they ride. Everyone has their opinion on which one is best and the ones that they use. They way I look at it, take it for a test ride, if you don't like it, then replace it with a different oil. You will know right away if your bike does not like it. Again, just remember, these are peoples opinions on this board and you will get 1000's of different ones. That is what makes us individuals!
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm looking at trying the T5 blend in the bike. For the last many oil changes I've been running a full syn, either AMSOIL or T6 Rotella. At around 105,000 or so I begin to feel, perceive, clutch slippage at take off or at a hard roll-on and became concern that I had a shot clutch too-soon. In an attempt to roll-out a few more miles on the clutch I went back to the dino/syn blend of ma-Vic. at first, I didn't think there was a difference, but after this weekend riding two up on hard pulls and take offs I feel the "snap" of the clutch engagement. I dare not at this point try to return to a full syn, but may do-so if I replace the clutch. Why? you may ask? Because the ma-Vic blend makes my engine rattle more than I like, at the moment, the trade off is worth it. Also, it is not as pronounced since the motor is good and broke-in. That is just my take, and I respect everyone else in their reasoning to use the oil that they do. I would hope that the T-5 would make the engine run quiet as a full syn, and if it does, then that will be the forever oil for me. What bothers me though is that Wally-world no longer seems to sell the $2.84 supertech filter, that's okay, I'm going with Wix from O'Really's. |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Just went back to the Victory oil and had a hell of a time finding neutral at lights yesterday. Of course, we're having a heat wave up here, it was in the high 60's. For a blend that's supposedly just for this bike, it seems not so smooth. I'm kinda cranky.
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Pittsburgh, PA | rainryder - 2012-04-09 6:51 PM
Just went back to the Victory oil and had a hell of a time finding neutral at lights yesterday. Of course, we're having a heat wave up here, it was in the high 60's. For a blend that's supposedly just for this bike, it seems not so smooth. I'm kinda cranky.
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New Bohemia, VA | I just went back to Vic, I'm so confused.... |
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New Orleans, La, | I wanted to respond early onbut, I had technical computer issues. Any who I've been using Rotella T6 for the last 15K in my 08 VV that now has 50K and it is quieter, seems to run cooler, and less engine and engine noise. The tranny also shifts smoother and quieter, and I change oil at 5K intervals. Hope that my experience with Rotella T6 and the VV help you out. I know I'll be using T6 until they come up with something significantly better for the Vic engine. BTW I've had 0 clutch issues. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | one of the best things about the Rotella T6 is the price!!!! it is a great oil i used it in the past as well. and you can get it at walmart in a giant jug. i think it comes out to roughly 1/2 the price of motorcycle oil. yet it is motorcycle rated. Jaso.... |
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New Bohemia, VA | V92SC - 2012-04-10 8:38 AM I wanted to respond early onbut, I had technical computer issues. Any who I've been using Rotella T6 for the last 15K in my 08 VV that now has 50K and it is quieter, seems to run cooler, and less engine and engine noise. The tranny also shifts smoother and quieter, and I change oil at 5K intervals. Hope that my experience with Rotella T6 and the VV help you out. I know I'll be using T6 until they come up with something significantly better for the Vic engine. BTW I've had 0 clutch issues. I feel compelled to respond. Not giving any doomsday predictions and I would go back to the a full synthetic if I had a new clutch in. There are many things I have liked about a full synthetic in comparison to the Victory oil. Some of the things I like are: - Quieter on start up
- Quieter while hot
- Longer life, nearly double before the engine tick becomes pronounced
- Easy to find neutral, even when the oil is old (5,000 miles +)
However, recently, in the last 8,000 miles I begin to notice the clutch slipping, at least I thought I preceived it. It seemed to be that way through the life of the last oil change with synthetic. I say preceived because it seemed to be ever so slight. Wanting to get the maximum life out of the clutch I decided to go back to the ma-Vic semi-syn oil to see if it was stickier. At 112,000 miles on the bike and back on Vic oil the clutch seems to be new again. Grant it, I know there is wear, and I know I'm knocking on the door to replace it, but the semi-syn seems to have brought life back to the clutch. I no longer sense the clutch is slipping and feel the difference for myself. When I rode this past weekend two-up and put it to the test merging hard onto the interstate. I did not feel the clutch slip and actually felt it snap on engagement. Also, I pulled the gentle mountain grades without any issues. It was in those two areas, interstate hard roll-ons and "at-speed" roll-ons I would feel slight slippage with the full-syn toward the end. I'm going to look into the Rotella semi-syn T5 Silver jug to see if makes the engine run quieter than the Vic oil. To give the clutch the longest life posibble for me I have also taken on the: - The start-up tic
- The hot-running rattle
- Difficult shifting and finding neutral game
- Shorter intervals in oil changes.
But given the clutch life, I can live with these for a while.
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Pittsburgh, PA | that makes me wonder what is it about vic oil? i know one of the things about synth oil (not the only) is E.P. what they call extreme pressure additive. The additive once again is Not just One thing.. (example zinc) alot pf people think synth oil means it is slippier. its not about how slippy the oil is. Its about how much pressure (metal to metal) contact it can withstand, along with other things like how it flows on startup and or cold temps etc etc. I know vic oil tested well (at least according to amsoils tests) in the wear department. but then like others say when you get to a certain point in mileage you "hear" noises while using vic oil. I have to wonder are you loosing "protection" to gain better clutch engagement? also i think 100,000+miles is normal to see a clutch react in a not so New fashion. Im not saying it should be worn out. but i think its a little hard to expect it to operate the same as it did at maybe say 50K miles..
i wonder if the vic oil is the crutch to the real issue? i mean if the oil was solely the problem you would think in all the oil changes through out the 100,000+ miles the clutch would have slipped then at least once? right? it almost reminds me of when people change to a different oil to stop or slow down a engine from burning oil.. yes it works, but was that the "fix" for the problem at hand? in guess in the end, its what ever works!! =) |
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Brighton, TN | VAryder, blipping the throttle ever so slightly makes it like butter to find Neutral. If I don't rev it a little, it can be a daunting task to locate. Somehow, by spinning it up it slips right in.
FYI, I just put in Rotella T-5 and about a 1/2 quart of Regular Rotella (T3 I think). Why, cause that's what I had left. Works well, I love it and the price. I buy the 5 gallon jugs of Regular Rotella, which makes it even a little cheaper. |
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New Bohemia, VA | These are the debates I pay attention to, especially when I'm the one experiencing the condition(s). First, let me say, I trust all oil that meets the standard. What I mean by that, is that I don't expect my engine to blow up using it. I've had 3 different AMSOILS, a Rotella and the ma-Vic oil. I don't think I'm breaking anything because it ticks and tacks, I just don't like to listen to it. I believe also that dino oil does "stick" better than a synthetic. It seems that synthetic oil coats, dino and semi-dino sticks, I really don't know what I'm saying because I'm not an engineer. I was doubtful that there was really any big difference between full syn, and semi, but when I felt the slip, I heard the voices of reason in my head. I've been warn, both by the manufacturer and users that that synthetic is super slippery, but was okay to use with wet clutch "friction" plates. I carefully considered it if was my imagination, but after this weekends ride the "tightness" is there. I'm not telling anyone that synthetic is bad, and I stand on the mantra, "If it works for me, leave me alone!" I'm merely sharing I have noticed a difference for me to remain on ma-Vic or other acceptable semi blend until it is time to replace the clutch. I'm not implying that the oil has made the clutch go bad, I don't believe that for a second. I'm saying, my clutch is worn enough that it appears that full syn is making it slip just enough, and that semi-syn is allowing me to run another mile more before I have to break into the belly.
Everything has its condition to tweak and I've spent a lifetime taking advantage of tweaking to make things work. I rode my older goldwing a few thousand miles with a blow head gasket and steam coming out the tail pipe. I would stop every so often and add water to keep me riding... |
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