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Columbus, Ga | I just got my cams done last weekend (thanks kevin and jason) and some guys at work knew I got it done. Well the superintedant for the new generator plant we are building rides a new 110 SE Ultra. He has made some performance mods to his bike like air cleaner, x pipe exhaust, and remap computer. We were out by his bike talking about riding this weekend and the guys start egging on a match race. The SE owner is all over this and starts egging it on to. Ive been asked to bring my "space ship" out to play. The question is should I really do this. I mean I feel pretty confident that I will be able to hold my own but am concerned about the SE owners psychological well being if I trounce all over a motorcycle that he has over $45k in. It would be like telling a 4 year old there no such thing as santa and everything you believe in has been a myth. On the other hand it will be a good test of what my bike can do and would no longer have to speculate on how my vision would do compared to an HD SE.
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New Bohemia, VA | ...why do you need to ask? It will be the best sales pitch for the Vision to date...why spend $45,000 for a fancy piece of junk when you can spend $20,000 less and get all you need and then some... he'll be glad you did... he'll be a new Vision rider and thank you for it. |
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Memphis | Just be sure to give yourself plenty of room and not some 1/4 mile race. Over 80mph is where the aerodynamics kick in and the magic really happens compared to the Ultra. He sounds like the thug in the Dirty Harry flick that was staring down the barrel of the 44 Mag. "I got's to know!" I hope you blow his head clean off. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | The psychological thing is a big deal. I don't know if this guy is a friend or not, or his buddys, but whip'n someone's bike is a big deal, unless you know it is really friendly and they & you can handle it. There is a lot of pride in bike ownership, no matter what brand. So ride softly, you already have the "Big Stick"! Oh and if it does get down, lower the windshield at the stop light and make sure he sees you do it. That really psychs them out.  |
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Clarksville, TN / Ft Campbell, KY | Personally, I would never advocate street racing. But deep down inside ........ I hope you blow his bags off...... and then tell him you missed a shift from 3rd to 4th and really crush his psyche. |
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| Whip his A$$, I do it all the time. The look on thier faces is priceless.
HINT...
Come out oh the hole STRONG they have lots of torque but low HP. I have seen them on the Dyno.
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Pittsburgh, PA | make sure your engine is warmed up before you race. not just for the race part of it but for the wear.. then kick his HD love a$$ . i expect a Full report.. but like i said make sure your engine is warmed up. if your in the parkinglot and both bikes are cool, go start yours then go over to his and talk about his bike as yours idles. |
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Cabot Arkansas | A stock Vision with an average rider should have no problem with a screechin weasel ultra. A cammed vision should embarass it.Two words for you.
NO MERCY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Memphis | More head games: When he shows up, walk around his bike and say "An Ultra!? I thought you were bringing a Screamin Eagle V-Rod! Well, since you're here, let's get this over with."  |
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| Be the bigger man. Set up the race, and just as you are about to go - drop your kick stand, shut down the bike, and walk away. You will get lots of ribbing, but in the back of thier minds they will never know, and that will bug them even more. |
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| Oh, since I don't practice what I preach. I dusted a worked HD the other night on the way home from work. He blasted in front of me as we entered the HOV lane, and proceeded to take off. I stayed on him for so time while he goosed it, and let off, basicly toying with him. Then when the road was clear, and he goosed it again, I dumped the gas and flew past him. He twisted it hard and made a lot of noise, but he only got smaller in my mirror. Is there a speed limiter on the Vision? |
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| Good luck and let us know the results. VICTORY for you again!! LOL |
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Southeast Iowa | By all means honor this joker with a race. Pick a safe place that will allow your VV to stretch her legs. If you compare torque curves you will see that your advantage really comes on above 3000 RPMS. Make sure you run it to 5 grand before you shift and you will flat out kick his ass.
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Brighton, TN | Do I smell a hint of Testosterone in the air? Boys, Boys, now play nice, you know what Momma always said, "If you absolutely must race him, whip his a$$, then PULL his man card for even showing up." |
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Peachtree City, GA | Hey Chris, Sorry we missed you at Jason's... Just go a find a quiet road and do a few practice runs... Then take him on!
It is way too much fun listening to them after you blow their doors off.
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| Most guys I know with Screaming Chickens won't play with me. So if you get the chance, embarrass them all. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | You also can play with the GW guys, if one wants too. |
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Northeast Ohio | I can't believe you havent done this yet. It is what I am living for! |
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Columbus, Ga | Well I guess I have a drag race date for monday at lunch. It will be in a safe place. This is starting to grow amongst all the riders and gearheads at work. Kinda has a high school drag race kinda feel to it. Sounds like 50 people want to show up to see this. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Camara crew is on its way....ladies and gentlemen... the eagle has landed
hey eagle, are you an airborne infantryman by chance???
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Litchfield Park, AZ | The only way you could possibly lose this race is get killed out of the hole (which is possible) and you short shift at 2500 RPM. The longer the distance, the more potential embarrassment for the H-D SE. Don't be running something stupid like 1/8th mile. That doesn't prove a damn thing about the performance of the bikes. Let both bikes stretch their legs and breathe and the best bike will ALWAYS win. |
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Litchfield Park, AZ | One last question: are you riding with the tour pack on your bike?......now, that would just be downright embarrassing for him when he gets beat. Win, or even lose, please tell us how it goes. |
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Columbus, Ga | varyder - not ex infrantry but ex tank crewman. Eagle is my last name
Phoenix - almost never have tour pack installed but would be funny. His tourpack is off also.
He said something about maybe starting from a roll as the throttle is limited on takeoff. Anyone know anything about that? |
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LaPorte,Tx. | First gear roll on at 20 -25 mph, windshield down, bags empty, 1/2 tank of gas, tires pumped up, pull in the air deflectors, take off the handle bar tassles, raccoon tails, mud flaps, unhook the trailer, leave the saddleman bag at home, motors warmed up, hey I'm ready! Too bad you don't have half dozen Vision - Riders show up with you! Oh and hopefully the "Law" doesn't get wind of it. Be careful, and whatever you do, don't look at him, you'll start laughing and run off the road. |
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San Antonio, TX | eagle - 2010-07-30 3:51 PM
Well I guess I have a drag race date for monday at lunch. It will be in a safe place. This is starting to grow amongst all the riders and gearheads at work. Kinda has a high school drag race kinda feel to it. Sounds like 50 people want to show up to see this.
I can just picture a secretary in pumps standing in the middle of the road dropping a Black and Orange rag to start the race! Have fun be safe.
All of my HD friends are too smart and know the numbers .... no takers. I know a guy with a Rocket III and he wants to race.....but I am too smart for that.
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Reno County, KS | I say take the bike out and a get a couple practice runs under your belt first. Launching the Vision and finding the shifting sweet spot is a little different on the Vision than with a lot of the other bikes that are a lot lighter. I have had a hard time timing the rev limiter, especially after the Cams were upgraded. I would'nt be adverse to taking the guy out. I really wouldn't hold any punches or worry about his feelings being hurt since he has decided to jack his jaw with his HD buddies. Since he's shown his ass, I wouldn't feel guilty handing it to him in front of them. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Here is a SE 110 dyno chart from HD. Add 10% for his mods......
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Here is the WEAKEST chart I have on a cammed Vision........
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Memphis | No pressure or anything.... |
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Galt California | I cant wait to hear the results. Keep us posted |
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Buford, GA United States | If you want a challenge go find a BMW 1200LT to play with as the HD is not a problem with the cams. the BMW will want to start with a roll as they have no torque to start with but can keep up with a rolling start...at least they have a chance... |
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| No problem with the rev limiter with Lloyd's new rev extender.
Used to bang the rev limiter all the time, have not done it with the 6,400 limit. |
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Northeast Ohio | KevinX, since that came from HD, it is probably measured at the crank, not at the wheel. All of our dyno numbers are at the wheel (for those that rolled the bike onto the chassis dyno). If this is the case, subtract 10% for drivetrain loss. At least that is a typical car number for drivetrain loss.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | ScoreBo - 2010-07-30 10:30 PM
KevinX, since that came from HD, it is probably measured at the crank, not at the wheel. All of our dyno numbers are at the wheel (for those that rolled the bike onto the chassis dyno). If this is the case, subtract 10% for drivetrain loss. At least that is a typical car number for drivetrain loss.
Funny thing happened a few years ago. HD started posting numbers from the wheel, and Vic moved to the crank. Those numbers match what I know to be real at the tire, as are the ones I posted from the Vision.
Just an FYI. Crank to wheel loss tends to be around 14% |
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Northeast Ohio | Good to know. |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Let me say this also. Don't run the bike hard until it is fully warmed up. The oil take awhile to get warm at idle. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Can't wait to hear how this turns out! |
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Fredonia, WI United States | Can't wait for the results. I am in the heart of Hardley land. Plenty of Hardley Dogidsons to beat around here! |
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| do you really have to wait to know whats gonna happen?? LOL |
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Cleveland, GA | Hey Eagle - I'll have to link up to you sometime. I'm at Benning for a couple of months. |
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| I hope you have the plant finished when you race cause you may not work their when the race is done. I have seen stranger things happen.
Myself i would race him on a dyno. Maybe that twin dyno truck that does the racing I saw years ago in Myrtle Beach. |
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Columbus, Ga | Well I rode to work today and it is strangely quiet around here. hmmmmmmm |
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Memphis | Cue theme song from "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"........... |
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Peachtree City, GA | LOL - so, show down at high noon??
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New Bohemia, VA | ...can Jeff and Miles set up a live video feed...? |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Has it happened yet ?? |
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New Bohemia, VA | Staging time: 1 Hour - 30 Minutes and counting. I don't advocate a drag race and I'm assuming this is done in a controlled and sanctioned environment. I use to flag back in high school on the stretch outside of town. I have been threatened more than once with a ticket for witnessing a drag race. |
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seattle, wa | Any wagers? |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...insult to injury... |
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| I bet the VV wins by 2 bike lengths + and pulling away...
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Kincardine, Ontario, Canada | Ran my stock 08 Vision Tour against my buddy's 110 CVO Ultra, he's has overbored it, (not sure by how much) changed cams, heads and ignition, along with pipes and breather. We never dragged raced, but both lit up after leaving a stop. He had his top box removed and was running a solo seat with a backrest, he is also about 75lbs lighter than me.
If we both didn't back off at the 100MPH mark, I'm sure I would have passed him. Other than that neither of us was pulling away.
side note 94 octane and he still pings, so he has to add a booster with each fill up. He's talking of going back to the stock heads to remedy this.
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Peachtree City, GA | So, what are the results?????
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Columbus, Ga | Well it doesnt look like it will happen today. My bike is parked where everybody knows I rode today. No emails or phone calls like friday. I am taking the approach of not pushing it but being available. Some of the guys have made it real clear to him that there is a spaceship out in the parking lot waiting on him. He hasnt come out to play. Funny thing is its my Harley buddies at work that I regularly ride with that are egging this on cause they know my Vic will trounce him. Ive also heard a rumor that he's got a big sucker air cleaner on order and waiting for that. I am trying to make sure I atleast get a phone video of it if and wen it goes down. I'm thinking maybe he did a google search this weekend on Victory's :-) |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...aren't you ashamed of yourself being such a bully, knowing you're going to smack down on him a hurt that may cause lasting psychological damage? |
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Memphis | He had his chance. He is obviously is not used to being stood up to and probably spent the weekend kicking himself in the butt for shooting his mouth off. If he thinks that a frickin air cleaner is going to help his cause against your KevinX'd bike, he is more pathetic than I imagined. I hope he reads this: Nothing you do to that Harley will save you from total embarrassment! You have bought into a culture that all you have to do is spend the most money and you will have the best. Everything you have been led to believe about American made bikes is about to come crashing down around you! I have a poster ready just for you if you are stupid enough to follow through on this. You have no one to blame but yourself. You are about to learn the hard way that ignorance will not be bliss. Bring it. |
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| OUCH!!!
Thats gonna leave a mark...
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San Antonio, TX | SongFan,
If I did know you better I would come to think that you are excited about this.
Eagle,
I like your passive but mildly aggressive stance. I hope the other rider does not suffer from pre-trouncing stress disorder. (PTSD)
Take care and ride to live. |
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Litchfield Park, AZ | So did he just not ride into work on his bike today? Is he acting like he never agreed to race? Talk about getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
You are a Saint for letting him off the hook like this.....You are a much nicer guy than I would be. |
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Fargo, ND | If the day ever comes Eagle, make sure and insist he make a pass down the course just prior to the real thing - just to remove the 'my bike isn't running very good today' crutch! BTW, who's holding the money on this event...I want in!
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Memphis | I can't speak for everybody here but for the most part, I think that the Harley guys we know "get us". They know Victory makes nice bikes but they are Harley guys and that's all fine. There is a mutual respect there about being fellow riders in general. We all tell our tales and love our bikes but no one I know would actually call out another rider in public. If we are out on a ride and the other guy wants to have a roll-on contest down a long open stretch, that's cool. I don't know a single Screamin Eagle Ultra owner that would dare challenge my bike in front of anyone else. They are vocal, but not stupid. This guy opened up a whole new ballgame by shooting his mouth off in front of the gang at work. His ego has finally written a check he will not be able to cash, and he knows it. Eagle has already won this thing. He has absolutely nothing to lose. The guy with the $45,000 trophy bike should kick his butt from here to the moon, right? He can't just beat eagle, he has to thrash him to justify that kind of bling. He has to put that overgrown-scooter-Jetson-bike in it's place. The thought of that freaky bike even being close at the finish line is laughable, right? He paid twice as much, it has to be twice as nice. The entire reputation of Harley rests on his shoulders at work (and beyond). He has to win. If he can't thump a Vision, who can!? I predict his braggin rights will be along the lines of "Hey, I almost beat a bike that cost half what mine cost and had a smaller motor!" Eagle only has to show up, the rest will take care of itself. Just remember who started this.
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Hartland, , WI | Be sure to get video of the big race....!!!!
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Hartland, , WI | Joker - 2010-07-30 5:45 PM
If you want a challenge go find a BMW 1200LT to play with as the HD is not a problem with the cams. the BMW will want to start with a roll as they have no torque to start with but can keep up with a rolling start...at least they have a chance...
Don't think you want to play against a BMW LT...had one...116 horse stock and once it gets going the rpm will stay up in it's power band....redline over 8000 but you could ride it there all day in the Alps, what a rush. And if you want to challenge one, better be a straight line race...unreal handling and suspension....130 mph rev. limiter kicks in. The aero package is meant for the autobahn...I have never seen a bike so stable at high speeds...(in comparison my VV feels really squirrely above 100 mph)...fairing and side tuperware make you feel like your are in a slot car at high speed.
Yup...miss playing with my LT...but only until my left petela tendon started screeming from the horse $hit foot position (which took all of one whole hour)...NOPE give me my sweet VV!
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Southeast Iowa | Too funny! I hope the 110" chicken choker shows up for his beating but if he doesn't that's OK too. He's a beaten man race or no race. |
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Hartland, , WI | SongFan - 2010-08-02 1:26 PM
I hope he reads this:? Nothing you do to that Harley will save you from total embarrassment!? You have bought into a culture that all you have to do is spend the most money and you will have the best.? Everything you have been led to believe about American made bikes is about to come crashing down around you!? I have a poster ready just for you if you are stupid enough to follow through on this.? You have no one?to blame but yourself.? You are about to learn the hard way that ignorance will not be bliss.? Bring it.
Song:
Love seeing this side of you....you are scaring me...come on and tell us how you really feel! |
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Columbus, Ga | Even though this didnt happen today I believe its going to happen sooner or later. If it doesnt happen one day at lunch it will probably happen on a weekend ride. Lots of talk of planning rides this fall that both of us will be on. Either way the guys at work arent going to give him a minutes peace about it until he bucks up. |
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Durango, Colorado | Vinner1 - 2010-08-02 5:17 PM Joker - 2010-07-30 5:45 PM If you want a challenge go find a BMW 1200LT to play with as the HD is not a problem with the cams. the BMW will want to start with a roll as they have no torque to start with but can keep up with a rolling start...at least they have a chance... Don't think you want to play against a BMW LT...had one...116 horse stock and once it gets going the rpm will stay up in it's power band....redline over 8000 but you could ride it there all day in the Alps, what a rush. And if you want to challenge one, better be a straight line race...unreal handling and suspension....130 mph rev. limiter kicks in. The aero package is meant for the autobahn...I have never seen a bike so stable at high speeds...(in comparison my VV feels really squirrely above 100 mph)...fairing and side tuperware make you feel like your are in a slot car at high speed. Yup...miss playing with my LT...but only until my left petela tendon started screeming from the horse $hit foot position (which took all of one whole hour)...NOPE give me my sweet VV! My best friend and long time riding pal has a 1998 K12LT an I dust his ass every chance I get. You have to understand that we have a long rivalry between us. When we first started riding together he had (and still has) a 1978 K75/6 and I had a 1988 Magna 750 followed by a 2000 Shadow Sabre. His frustration about always eating dust motovated his purchase of the K12LT. Alas, he was king and his incessant boasting about smoking not only me but any other V twin on the road led me in search of a new machine.......Enter the Vision. The whole month I waited for my bike to be delivered from South Carolina I tried to educate him about the amazing abilities of the Vision but he would have none of it. His arguement being that no V twin on the planet could run with the beemer, recounting the dozens of times he humiliated those "Howdy Doody" riders and their pathetic machines. Well, our oportunity to tangle finally came when he left me at a light full bore, me totally unaware I was in a contest but not detrerred by the several legnths head start he stole, Spurred the vision and rocketed by him just as I hit third gear. I continued to pull away and he let off. When we arrived at our destination all he could say was "I wont be doing that again". I understand with the right rider the K12 is a real carver with lots of top end, but in a drag to 100mph absolutely no contest for the VV. Period. By the way, this contest happened before the cams were installed. paulhu
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Northeast Ohio | A good friend of mine has an LT. He rides solo when I am 2-up and it is neck and neck.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | In reality the Ultra Classic dosen't have a chance with the mods you say he has. For a TC to really make power the heads have to be ported and have bigger valves. The ports on TC heads are terrible and the screaming eagle heads aren't much better. Beware though, if you run up against some one with really good heads and matching cams ect.. A little ole 103 can make 130 RWHP and be streetable. You won't have any problem with this fella though.............. |
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Hartland, , WI | Well...the 2005 LT I had at the same time as my VV...for about two weeks before the BMW was sold...the way I rode it felt like it really wasn't that close. My VV 0-100 probably is just as quick feeling but over a 100 on the VV is just not comfortable. I've made my rev. limiter kick in at 120 on the VV and the road was new paved and straight. Pushing that much air on the VV did not feel comfortable...the feel of the front tire at that speed was kind of scary.
Out ran an approaching thunderstorm on the interstate with the BMW with the slowest speed 100 for about 25 minutes...couldn't believe how comfortable manuvering through traffic and dialing it out between the stretches I could see a couple miles was.
Also had two youngsters pass me on their sport bikes on some back roads I drove all the time. I figure they just thought anyone with a bike that had armrests for the passenger wouldn't challenge them...wrong...after 5 minutes of hard riding for them and looking back at me still right behind them...I left them way behind when I passed them on the inside of a turn I knew was coming up and they just didn't want to go that fast on these roads I'm guessing. I felt very comfortable pushing the LT at high speed vs. the VV.
And which bike do I have in the garage...well it's not the Schnauzer heir frauline
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Memphis | The guys who have gotten to know me over the years around here realize that I'm not a Harley hater. I'm a chest-thumping-narrow-minded-trash-talkin-ignoramus hater. It just so happens that most of those birds come from the same flock and the more vocal they get, the more vocal I'll get right back. This whole thing is not about Ultra vs Vision. We read about those shootouts every year in magazines and pick them apart. This is about a pompous jerk being held accountable for his words in front of a crowd of people and living to regret it. Forever. |
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Memphis | XRsteve - Beware though, if you run up against some one with really good heads and matching cams ect.. A little ole 103 can make 130 RWHP and be streetable. I work with guy who has a very low profile looking Street Glide (almost no chrome) who does his own wrenching, down to porting and polishing the heads. He has a really good suspension set-up and a tuneable exhaust. It is the nastiest Harley I personally have been around and he could probably snap the belt at will. He is very low-key and is a pleasure to talk to, especially about panheads and shovelheads. He never talks about racing anyone but you know he has really jumped some people in his day. Great guy.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | SongFan: I'm all on board with you about big mouths who don't know what they're talking (bragging) about. So this particular ElectraGlide rider deserves a drag race street beating. In front of witnesses.................. |
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Memphis | One more note: Don't you think it's devine justice that eagle's name really is Chris Eagle!? They make movies about stuff like this! My poster wheels are spinning like crazy. |
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| eagle - 2010-08-02 6:48 PM
Even though this didnt happen today I believe its going to happen sooner or later. If it doesnt happen one day at lunch it will probably happen on a weekend ride. Lots of talk of planning rides this fall that both of us will be on. Either way the guys at work arent going to give him a minutes peace about it until he bucks up.
Races are simple. You line up at the start line and the first one accross the finish line wins. If a challenger lines up at the starting line and the other doesn't, you simply need to cross the finish line and you win. If it was me I would have brought my bike to the location, and had some record you running a 20mph run and call it a win. |
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Durango, Colorado | sgiacci - 2010-08-02 8:56 PM eagle - 2010-08-02 6:48 PM Even though this didnt happen today I believe its going to happen sooner or later. If it doesnt happen one day at lunch it will probably happen on a weekend ride. Lots of talk of planning rides this fall that both of us will be on. Either way the guys at work arent going to give him a minutes peace about it until he bucks up. Races are simple. You line up at the start line and the first one accross the finish line wins. If a challenger lines up at the starting line and the other doesn't, you simply need to cross the finish line and you win. If it was me I would have brought my bike to the location, and had some record you running a 20mph run and call it a win. Yea, but what fun would that be? I like The public hanging idea best, he certainly has plenty of rope by now.....whose idea was that?......MINE! ahh haa haa haa ahh haa haa. (psycopathic laughter) |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | When you see him next, don't be an jerk about it, just say " Hey man I thought we were gonna race ?" " Is your motorcycle OK?" HAHAHA. And I'm not a Harley hater either, I still have my 95 inch 2003 RoadGlide parked next to the Vision and my 120 RWHP 1424cc Sportster too......... |
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Columbus, Ga | He parks his bike pretty far away from where I park mine. Just becuase of where our respective offices are. He rides his bike almost everyday while I seldom ride mine to work. Next time I ride I think I will just park either right next to him or in a way to block him in so he would have to call me to get out. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | That's a good idea.................. |
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Clarksville, TN / Ft Campbell, KY | XRsteve - 2010-08-03 9:29 AM
my 120 RWHP 1424cc Sportster too.........
Would you please post a picture of this...... motorycle porno for an old sporty enthusiast. |
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Tri Cities, WA | man this is something needs to be put on youtube. So get a buddy at work to record it bro. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | For ScreamingEag1e: sent you a PM about the pictures......... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | OK, gonna try to post a pic for Screamingeag1e; Off topic, but he wanted to see my 120HP 1424cc sportster. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Sorry couldn't get it to load............. |
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San Antonio, TX | I am sorry but I just got a mental picture of SongFan Riding behind the SE110 with one hand on the throttle and the other holding a camera. While he is shifting with out the clutch....finally he passes the HD as well.
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Moravia, IA | VisionTex - 2010-07-30 1:37 PM
You also can play with the GW guys, if one wants too.
Maybe a GL1500 or less.....Ive been flat out embarrassed by every GL1800 Ive rode with. This is comparing stock Vision to stock wing.....my bike has not had any work done to it.
After a short ride on the wing I've decided just not to play anymore. I grabbed some throttle at a hard launch and the front wheel on that wing came clean off the ground....with ease. I dont find them comfortable.....but I cant deny they are the faster and more powerful bike.....in my eyes, hands down.
The stock 2009 GL1800 generates 101HP and 106ft/lbs of torque at the rear wheel (per dyno charts on reviews).
The stock 2009 Vision generates 78HP and 97ft/lbs of torgue at the rear wheel (per previous kevinx post).
Thats a pretty big gap......
Heck the stats I see for the GL1200 Goldwing show 94hp at crank/83hp at rear wheel.....although I have no torque specs. Im guessing that a GL1200 would give it a hard run....and my money is a GL1500 would best it by a small margin.
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New Bohemia, VA | gearing has a lot to do with a wing also. I had a gl1200 for about 2 years and I felt it was quick and all, but getting on the Vision, the gl1200 seemed like a gnat in comparison. I will say the gl1200 was a grand machine in its day, but there is nothing that makes me wish I still had one. The two years I had the wing just prior to the Vision I rolled over 38,000 miles with, but it was also when I first started riding and it sat 3 months waiting to get a headgasket replace. |
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Moravia, IA | varyder - 2010-08-04 5:17 AM
gearing has a lot to do with a wing also. I had a gl1200 for about 2 years and I felt it was quick and all, but getting on the Vision, the gl1200 seemed like a gnat in comparison. I will say the gl1200 was a grand machine in its day, but there is nothing that makes me wish I still had one. The two years I had the wing just prior to the Vision I rolled over 38,000 miles with, but it was also when I first started riding and it sat 3 months waiting to get a headgasket replace.
The payment maybe?
My wing is payed for.....still writing a check on the Vision.....and likely will be for awhile.
The big thing on old bikes is having someone to work on it....either you or a mechanic. Im lucky to have a great mechanic that prefers old stuff and charges a reasonable $30 an hour.....none of my bikes are down for very long and if I want him to he even makes garage calls.....comes right over and works in MY garage. COOL
The thing is when I first got the GL1200 I thought "man this bike is it....it doesnt get any more comfy then this rolling couch".......but many years of progress and technology proved me wrong.....first when I set on a GL1800....WOW.....then the Vision.....SUPER WOW.
Yeah, it gets better.....but better isnt cheap.....not that I regret buying the Vision (yet).
Like Ive said before....the bike constantly impresses me in all aspects EXCEPT performance. Which Im 100% fine with, cause Ive got a rice rocket if I want performance.....I didnt buy this bike to run the strip with. Nor am I saying the bike doesnt perform well....it does.....it just doesnt impress me with its performance, its merely adequate.
The GL1800 impressed me with its performance.......but not much else. Actually the fit and finish is superb, I believe better then the Vision.....but then mother Honda has FAR more experience....and the Victory isnt a slouch. I found the controls on the GW to complicated, not in the correct places.....the legroom was nill........it just felt like you set on TOP of the bike.
Different machines for different riders.......but I still think a Vision owner is dreaming if he thinks hes gonna out run a GL1800.......either from a dead stop or a roll-on. Not based on any experience Ive had.
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Peachtree City, GA | Just drop some VM1 Cams, Intake Plate and a VFCIII in your Vision. Problem solved. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Webhair - 2010-08-04 8:00 AM
Just drop some VM1 Cams, Intake Plate and a VFCIII in your Vision. Problem solved.
Eagle has the sweet black bike I just did a Tiggers place. He has the SE AND GL covered |
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LaPorte,Tx. | aaronrkelly - 2010-08-04 12:38 AM
VisionTex - 2010-07-30 1:37 PM
You also can play with the GW guys, if one wants too.
Maybe a GL1500 or less.....Ive been flat out embarrassed by every GL1800 Ive rode with. This is comparing stock Vision to stock wing.....my bike has not had any work done to it.
After a short ride on the wing I've decided just not to play anymore. I grabbed some throttle at a hard launch and the front wheel on that wing came clean off the ground....with ease. I dont find them comfortable.....but I cant deny they are the faster and more powerful bike.....in my eyes, hands down.
The stock 2009 GL1800 generates 101HP and 106ft/lbs of torque at the rear wheel (per dyno charts on reviews).
The stock 2009 Vision generates 78HP and 97ft/lbs of torgue at the rear wheel (per previous kevinx post).
Thats a pretty big gap......
Heck the stats I see for the GL1200 Goldwing show 94hp at crank/83hp at rear wheel.....although I have no torque specs. Im guessing that a GL1200 would give it a hard run....and my money is a GL1500 would best it by a small margin.
Did not say you were going to whip their ass, said you can play with them. As far as the bikes, that's whay you bring to the dance. One area that I feel touring bikes need to shine in acceleration is the 5th gear roll on test. So with that in mind, I went up against a Gl1800 on a roll on from 60 mph to 120 mph. We were located on US 190 between Eldorado Tx. and Iraan Tx., a good place to do this, pretty much in the middle of no where. Both bikes were side by side in 5th gear at 60mph. My bike was stage 1 level 1 with a Lloyds in take plate at that time...no fuel controller or cams, the dyno on that set up is 87hp and 104 lb.ft torque. The GL has aftermarket mufflers and not sure what else. So it maybe a little better than a stock setup. Both bikes were loading for a 5 day trip and riding single so the weight of th bikes were the ~ the same. One the roll on started at 60 mph the GL had me by about a wheel length up to 100 mph at that point we were dead even. At 120 mph when I hit the limititer the VV was a wheel ahead. Now I have the cams and fuel controller, he won't play no more!!  There is no doubt the GL is fast, just saying you can still play... |
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Columbus, Ga | Well He's been in and out off my office all day and no mention of racing bikes. Seems to talk a little more subdued than he used to. We talked about work and going on some rides and I just let it be that. It was almost uncomfortable to me to have him kinda tippy toe around me as thats not normally how he is. |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...it's called humbled respect. Personally, I think he needs to man up and say he's not going to race you. Even if admits he can be beat or says it's too dangerous, etc. Saying nothing in hopes it all just passes speaks volunes. You are being the bigger man in how you are handling it. |
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Memphis | Eagle, Please pass this on to SE dude. It's not too late to save yourself. All you have to do is walk up to Chris and say "No mas." For the first time in your life I'm begging you to man up and call it off. This is getting way bigger than you ever dreamed and the outcome will stick forever. I can't believe your reputation is worth this. Even your Harley buddies know how this will end. Tell Chris it's off and this whole thing dies a quick, relatively painless death. Seriously. (Just for the record, I don't expect you to call it off. Oh well.) |
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Birmingham, AL 08 MC Tour Premium 2012 Bronze Mist | I've had GL12's 15's and 18's. The bike before my Vision was an Ultra SE with the 103. Getting on the Vision was such a difference in power when it was just stock. After a couple of years I got Kevin to do the power magic and things really livened up.
There's no question you would smoke him. Be gentle, but somehow make him eat his words!
Here's a link to a post about a run I had with a GW last November.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4676&pos...
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Columbus, Ga | First off let me say that this really is all in good fun. That being said its time to show him what the a$$ end of my victory looks like. I thought all this was just going away and I was content with that. Now the trash talk is back (it really is in good fun) and Im going to answer the call and hopefully do our Victory group proud. He wanted to go look at the spot where we could run at lunch. So a group of us did and its a good place. Now I'm going to rag him silly till it goes down which I believe will be early next week. NO MORE MERCY!!! He's already made the coment that if he loses performace parts will be on the way specifically cams. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | He'll need to spend about $900.00 on head work, cams aint gonna do it with those shitty ports, just sayin................. |
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Memphis | Awww, XR you ruined it. Let him get his butt kicked, go get the new cams, then get it kicked again. This could have been fun for a long time. He could have been the $50,000+ poster child. |
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Columbus, Ga | Best thing is there is another Harley rider now starting to talk uhhhhh "stuff". I told them I would give them a 2 for 1 special. I guess I really shocked this second guy, doctor with SE street glide, by thinking that my vision is actually more powerful than thier SE's. I mean how dumb am I? |
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Danville, CA | That is the call dude.. Park behind him... LOL  |
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Peachtree City, GA | I would park in front of them - all they are going to see is the ass end anyway.
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Tri Cities, WA | OK so what ever happened??? Did the race ever happen??? Fill us in Eagle |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Just an FYI for all of you....
Spun a SE Fat Bob with 110, SE Race Tuner, S&S Super stock intake[a very good unit], V&H 2-1 shorty. A very well thought out package for such a bike. Numbers came out as 96/102. The owner was a bit disipointed, but the bike ran what it should have |
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Columbus, Ga | no run yet. Its going to happen sooner or later but I'm not pushing it. when it happens I will be posting right away |
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Columbus, Ga | looks like I might have a lunch date with an SE Ultra |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Yeah baby! Keep it safe, but kick some pompous HD a@#! |
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seattle, wa | Lunch is over....what happened? |
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| Supper's over are you still waiting for him catch up ?????? |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Wouldn't be a contest. Why bother....
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Columbus, Ga | he had a "sudden change in lunch plans". I think he wants to install cams before he runs. I just wish he would stop talking trash until he's ready to back it up. I do think its funny that he's spending money on a bike for a race that he is edging on. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Can't you hear any of HIS buddies? They are whispering "Don't do it! - he'll eat you alive!" - the HD comunity ain't DUMB - they know he'd get his ass kicked - and it will take more than cams to do the job. Relax - and just give him a nice GRIN everytime you see him. |
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| Eagle why don't you man up. I am not trying to get on you but if you keep taking sh$t from this guy and his buddy's its your own fault. If it was me I would walk up to him and say. Hey sh$t talker Friday you and me were on. I'll be there if you don't show everyone will know who has the faster bike and who's a pu$$y, enough said. Dain |
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Durango, Colorado | In addition, I would be sure to point out that your dad can whip his dad.........sheesh |
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Columbus, Ga | I'm not taking crap from anyone. Most everyone is ribbing him for not showing up. Everytime I ride my bike to work people call and email him that my bikes in the parking lot. Almost all of these people know my bike and know that I will take him. Funny thing mostly its the Harley guys that I ride with pretty regular and are friends of mine that are giving him crap. |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...it's all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out... |
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Goldsboro, NC | varyder - 2010-09-02 9:32 AM
...it's all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out...
Chris should know.... he's the one who's usually doing the poking.
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Jasper, MO | aaronrkelly - 2010-08-04 1:38 AM
VisionTex - 2010-07-30 1:37 PM
You also can play with the GW guys, if one wants too.
Maybe a GL1500 or less.....Ive been flat out embarrassed by every GL1800 Ive rode with. This is comparing stock Vision to stock wing.....my bike has not had any work done to it.
After a short ride on the wing I've decided just not to play anymore. I grabbed some throttle at a hard launch and the front wheel on that wing came clean off the ground....with ease. I dont find them comfortable.....but I cant deny they are the faster and more powerful bike.....in my eyes, hands down.
The stock 2009 GL1800 generates 101HP and 106ft/lbs of torque at the rear wheel (per dyno charts on reviews).
The stock 2009 Vision generates 78HP and 97ft/lbs of torgue at the rear wheel (per previous kevinx post).
Thats a pretty big gap......
Heck the stats I see for the GL1200 Goldwing show 94hp at crank/83hp at rear wheel.....although I have no torque specs. Im guessing that a GL1200 would give it a hard run....and my money is a GL1500 would best it by a small margin.
Your experience with getting embarrassed by every GL1800 you've ridden with does not jive with the experiences of many of the rest of us. Something is amiss here. Are you a large man who out weights the riders on the GL1800's?
The difference in the power outputs of the GW and the Vision is not as much as it seems on paper, if kept in perspective. Yes, the stock GW beats the stock Vision in a drag race, but not by much if the riders are equal weights. 12.96ET for the Vision vs 12.78ET for the GL1800 when both bikes were ridden by the same rider on the same track. The stock Vision hangs right with a GL1800 in a traffic passing situation where the bikes are in 4th or 5th gear. The GL1800 is geared lower in 1st gear than the Vision is, so it pulls harder in that gear. The perception is that it is more powerful. Vision is geared lower than the GW in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears. This fact negates the 9 FT/LBS torque advantage the GW has over the Vision. Torque (expressed in FT/LBS) is what turns the wheel and pushes the bike forward. Gearing is what multiplies the torque. The higher HP number of the stock GW really just indicates the higher redline it has when compared to the stock Vision. The torque curves and gearing, and the total weight of each rider/machine combination, are what determines the outcome of the race. The stock GW does have a little better (wider) torque curve than the stock Vision, but the gearing differences make up for it in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears by the time the power gets from the crank to the wheel. This is what matters in the real world when faced with needing to pass a long line of slow moving traffic on a 2-lane road.
Lloyd's cams let the Vision produce a torque curve that is actually a little better than the GL1800's. Most Visions with Lloyd's cams produce at least 105 HP and 105 TQ. Or better. Given the favorable gearing in the Vision in 3rd and 4th and 5th gears, the GW can't keep up in passing situations.
My stock Vision would run even with my buddy's stock GL1800 when rolling starts were done in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th gears. He would pull me in 1st gear. Now that I have Lloyd's VM1 cams, intake plate, VFCIII, and stock exhaust, my Vision just flat runs away from his GW in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears. He still pulls me a bit in 1st gear going into 2nd gear. That's due to the gearing differences between the two bikes, combined with the higher rev limit of the GW. He can hold 1st and 2nd gears longer than I can. There is a remedy for that. I may do it.
We are both aging former sport bike riders and drag racers. Old habits die hard.
As far as a GL1200 or GL1500 spanking a stock Vision goes-not even close. A BMW K1200LT would be close in a drag-race- might even beat the Vision a small amount. About like a GL1800. No contest in a traffic passing situation in the higher gears. The BMW would need a downshift to keep up. Same with the older Kawasaki Voyager XII's. They will turn 12.90 ET's, but are doggy in 5th gear. I had one. Good bikes in their day, but they need a downshift for a quick pass around traffic. The Voyager XII and the Yamaha Venture are the bikes that caused Honda to replace the GL1200 with the GL1500. The new GL1500 still couldn't keep up with either the Kawasaki or the Yamaha in a drag race. The GL1800 just equals the old 1986 Voyager XII in quarter mile performance. The BMW K1200LT is the bike that, in 2000, got named best touring bike, and caused Honda to come out with the GL1800 in 2001.
Victory came out with the Vision for the 2008 model year. Purely by co-incidence, Honda ceased production of the GW in 2010, and went running back to Japan and the drawing boards. Maybe the new GW will copy some more stuff from the BMW and maybe even the Vision.
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Moravia, IA | rdbudd - 2010-09-02 12:01 PM
Your experience with getting embarrassed by every GL1800 you've ridden with does not jive with the experiences of many of the rest of us. Something is amiss here. Are you a large man who out weights the riders on the GL1800's?
The difference in the power outputs of the GW and the Vision is not as much as it seems on paper, if kept in perspective. Yes, the stock GW beats the stock Vision in a drag race, but not by much if the riders are equal weights. 12.96ET for the Vision vs 12.78ET for the GL1800 when both bikes were ridden by the same rider on the same track. The stock Vision hangs right with a GL1800 in a traffic passing situation where the bikes are in 4th or 5th gear. The GL1800 is geared lower in 1st gear than the Vision is, so it pulls harder in that gear. The perception is that it is more powerful. Vision is geared lower than the GW in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears. This fact negates the 9 FT/LBS torque advantage the GW has over the Vision. Torque (expressed in FT/LBS) is what turns the wheel and pushes the bike forward. Gearing is what multiplies the torque. The higher HP number of the stock GW really just indicates the higher redline it has when compared to the stock Vision. The torque curves and gearing, and the total weight of each rider/machine combination, are what determines the outcome of the race. The stock GW does have a little better (wider) torque curve than the stock Vision, but the gearing differences make up for it in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears by the time the power gets from the crank to the wheel. This is what matters in the real world when faced with needing to pass a long line of slow moving traffic on a 2-lane road.
Lloyd's cams let the Vision produce a torque curve that is actually a little better than the GL1800's. Most Visions with Lloyd's cams produce at least 105 HP and 105 TQ. Or better. Given the favorable gearing in the Vision in 3rd and 4th and 5th gears, the GW can't keep up in passing situations.
My stock Vision would run even with my buddy's stock GL1800 when rolling starts were done in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th gears. He would pull me in 1st gear. Now that I have Lloyd's VM1 cams, intake plate, VFCIII, and stock exhaust, my Vision just flat runs away from his GW in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears. He still pulls me a bit in 1st gear going into 2nd gear. That's due to the gearing differences between the two bikes, combined with the higher rev limit of the GW. He can hold 1st and 2nd gears longer than I can. There is a remedy for that. I may do it.
We are both aging former sport bike riders and drag racers. Old habits die hard.
As far as a GL1200 or GL1500 spanking a stock Vision goes-not even close. A BMW K1200LT would be close in a drag-race- might even beat the Vision a small amount. About like a GL1800. No contest in a traffic passing situation in the higher gears. The BMW would need a downshift to keep up. Same with the older Kawasaki Voyager XII's. They will turn 12.90 ET's, but are doggy in 5th gear. I had one. Good bikes in their day, but they need a downshift for a quick pass around traffic. The Voyager XII and the Yamaha Venture are the bikes that caused Honda to replace the GL1200 with the GL1500. The new GL1500 still couldn't keep up with either the Kawasaki or the Yamaha in a drag race. The GL1800 just equals the old 1986 Voyager XII in quarter mile performance. The BMW K1200LT is the bike that, in 2000, got named best touring bike, and caused Honda to come out with the GL1800 in 2001.
Victory came out with the Vision for the 2008 model year. Purely by co-incidence, Honda ceased production of the GW in 2010, and went running back to Japan and the drawing boards. Maybe the new GW will copy some more stuff from the BMW and maybe even the Vision.
Ronnie
Ive never taken my Vision to the track, the only experiences I have had were just real world instances.
Im a big guy but when I was spanked by the GL1800 they were two up.....I estimate any difference to be less than 20lbs, one way or the other.....If Im guessing we were pretty spot on.
When I rode the GL1800 I was riding my Vision 2 up.....we got off the Vision and I was test riding a Honda Fury. They had to move the the wing to get to the Fury.....so I test rode it as well. We test rode it 2 up....just as we came on the Vision.
Granted the wing didnt have "my stuff" in the trunk.....which could amount to maybe 15lbs or so....but otherwise it was pretty spot on even evaluation.
Again, no track....just seat of the pants.
Every time I hit it hard off the line the front wheel would leave the ground and I was easily exceeding the speed limit in no time....and within the first few gears.
My Vision isnt a moped but .....but I rode each bike back to back.....there is a BIG difference in power.
Maybe the wing just handles the extra weight of 2 up riding better, between me and the co-rider we had a bit over 500lbs on the bike....perhaps that extra .2 at the 1/4 mile, 23 hp and 9 ft lbs of torque shines more so under load.....at any rate, I was there......night and day difference was my experience. I really liked how the Goldwing seemed to have decent power across all gears....I find myself downshifting often on my Vision......its easy to find yourself lugging the motor in slow moving highway traffic....and it always seems that 5th is a little high.......6th is a little low......damn Iowa traffic just keeps me back and forth between the gears. They need to raise the speed limit another 5 mph then I would be about right. |
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Jasper, MO | jeffmack - 2010-09-04 6:12 PM
LLOYDZ.....end of story
+1!!
aaronkelly, if you're in Iowa, you have one of the top Victory wrenches near you. He will even come to your place and install the cams and intake plate and fuel controller for a very reasonable rate. Contact Rylan Vos at THE VIC SHOP. INC at 402-659-9655. He is in Minburn, IA.
Lloydz makes the stuff, but for those of us who can't make the time to get to Lloyd's shop, we have the options of great guys like KevinX and Rylan to help us out.
http://forums.thevmc.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=86600&posts=...
The Goldwing has three time as many cylinders as Vision, and 101 more cubic centimeters displacement, and a lower first gear. It should be faster than a Vision. Lloydz makes the equalizer.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2010-09-04 8:40 PM
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