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, IA | oh god hope that they got a fix for the 08 >just me and mr poppie |
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Northeast Ohio | Stock exhaust still? Mine never popped with stock exhaust. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Mine never popped stock either. As soon as I went s1l1 popping started |
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New Brunswick , Canada | 2010 VV --stock pipes no pop...change to S1L1 , popping Hhhmm! Any Cure VICTORY? |
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| Thats why I haven't gone stage one yet. I have the fluted tips and want to keep them, but I don't want popping. May end up modding the stock exhaust after warranty and getting it tuned and cams. |
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bowling green ky | i talked to the demo truck driver today at my dealers demo for the 2011 bikes. he said they had a fix for it and were trying it out on the new bikes. had a vision there with s1l1 pipes and flash and high flow air filter. i rode the dog out of it for 7 or 8 rounds and not a pop one |
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Tucson, AZ | When I had KevinX install my cams, I asked him about the popping, I have the L2 pipes. He said that with the stock pipes it was probably still popping but the stock pipes would muffle the sound to where you can't hear it. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i wanted to ask aside from the popping. is there any difference in SOUND from the stock 2010 vs the 2011.. i saw a video where victory claims to of changed the exhaust note of the 2011? is this true? |
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| My 2010 had afermarket pipes right from delivery so I can't tell if the '11 is louder. I can tell you that its very quiet. So quiet that I might just leave it that way 
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Arkainzeye - 2010-11-13 3:33 PM
i wanted to ask aside from the popping. is there any difference in SOUND from the stock 2010 vs the 2011.. i saw a video where victory claims to of changed the exhaust note of the 2011? is this true? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | How is the 2011 radio reception? Any better? |
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| 2010-11-12 4:18 PM I just realized that my new '11 doesn't pop back through the exhaust like the '10 did. 1500 miles and it hasn't popped even once. They must have fixed something. Marc Marc: I got me an 09 VVstreet in Mar. 2011. Been reading on the web's sits about the popping which I don't get. I also had some trouble running ruff after I pulled my camper from KY to NY.(the short answer) The solution to that was to disconnect the o2 sensors. (I probably have a bad o2 sensor) But in the course of finding the solution I did a lot of reading & learning. My first fuel injection bike. What I find out is that I have a California certified bike with the evaporation canistor & a IDLE AIR SOLINOID. This solinoid has a little plastic grey screw on it which I suspect does the same thing as Loydz Idle air valvue adjuster screw does. When you let off the gas to slow down, at about 1800 RPM it changes the air it allows in. You can feel the bike kinda jerk (very slight) just s little. Good spot to down shift when stopping. But I get no popping. Neither slowing down or shiftig ever, 17,000 miles. I bought the bike new in Columbia MO. Very supprised to find it was Cal. Certified. (no popping - won't touch the grey screw) |
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seattle, wa | katman - 2010-11-13 2:27 PM
i talked to the demo truck driver today at my dealers demo for the 2011 bikes. he said they had a fix for it and were trying it out on the new bikes. had a vision there with s1l1 pipes and flash and high flow air filter. i rode the dog out of it for 7 or 8 rounds and not a pop one
So there is hope??
I put the stock mufflers back on my 08 because I couldn't take the popping anymore.
I don't know if I would go back to stage1 or not, it's kinda like putting glass packs on a cadillac. |
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| Exactly where is the solenoid you're referring to? I'd like to see if mine has it.
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Rick Farrar - 2011-12-16 3:46 PM
2010-11-12 4:18 PM I just realized that my new '11 doesn't pop back through the exhaust like the '10 did. 1500 miles and it hasn't popped even once. They must have fixed something. Marc Marc: I got me an 09 VVstreet in Mar. 2011. Been reading on the web's sits about the popping which I don't get. I also had some trouble running ruff after?I pulled my camper from KY to NY.(the short answer) The solution to that was to disconnect the o2 sensors. (I probably have a bad o2 sensor) But in the course of finding? the solution I did a lot of reading & learning. My first fuel injection bike. What I find out is that I have a California certified bike with the evaporation canistor & a IDLE AIR SOLINOID. This solinoid has a little plastic grey screw on it which I suspect does the same thing as Loydz Idle air valvue adjuster screw does. ?When you let off the gas to?slow?down,?at about 1800 RPM it changes the air it allows in. You can feel the bike kinda jerk (very slight) just s little.?Good spot to down shift when stopping. But I get no popping. Neither slowing down or shiftig ever, 17,000 miles. I bought the bike new in Columbia MO. Very supprised to find it was Cal. Certified. (no popping - won't touch the grey screw) |
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| Marc: The assembly is just behind the triangle on the rite side. Two hoses "T" and attach to it on the side away from the air box & one on the other side going to the air box on the air box side |
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| Rick Farrar - 2011-12-16 9:00 PM
Marc: ???? The assembly is just behind the triangle on the rite side.? Two hoses "T" and attach to it on the?side away from the air box & one on the other side going to the air box on the air box side
Rick,
I think you're referring to the Idle Air Control valve. This is standard on all the bikes. It controls the amount of air that is allowed to bypass the throttle plates in order to maintain the correct idle speed. Lloydz valve which I installed, further regulates the amount of air which is supposed to limit popping. The surge you feel at 1800 rpm is not a function of the valve as much as from the fuel being turned back on by the ECM. I installed Lloydz's valve in order to reduce the surge for which it did in fact help. I'm curious about the plastic screw you found. I don't see that.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Louder the pipe....Louder the pop. Vic uses the IAC as an air injector, and unless they change that. The pop is going nowhere |
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Apopka, FL | I personally talked to Kevinx regarding popping... First thing he said was to unplug the O2 sensors. Just haven't got to them yet. Looks like a little plastic/aluminum needs to be disassembled to find out where they plug in.
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Michigan | Have a 2012, unmodified engine and exhaust. It has popped 3 or 4 times in the first 1000 miles. |
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2 mi from Jim Beam n KY | My 2011 popped, just not real loud. Now with a fuel controler and S1L2 pipes, it pops LOUD. How I roll off the throttle keeps most of the pops away. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | MY 08 and 11 didnt pop with stock mufflers. when i installed the s1l1 on the 08 it popped bad... i removed the s1l1 and installed them on the 2011 vision and it barely ever pops. on the 08 i had the lloyds device to stop/decrease popping, the 2011 i do Not have the lloyds unit installed on it. |
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Flowery Branch Ga | Just thought I would add to the confusion. My 10 8Ball Vision drivetrain is all stock and factory down to the air filter. 11300 miles and it pops often. My pipes have loosened up some and I an here it.
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Simi Valley, CA | Stock 09. No pop here |
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Oklahoma City | Stock '11, hasn't popped yet. |
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Princeton, MN | I have S1 L2 with recored Atom Bomb mufflers and Lloyds intake plate and have nearly eliminated any pops with my VFC III,, it works great! Only ones I can get are fabricated by really jockying the throttle. |
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| 2011 Silver/Black Vision with S1L1 and factory/dealer install...No pops as yet with 3000 miles...08 Kingpin with Stage 1 popped and cracked, etc. etc. like a old car with holes in the mufflers and bad plugs.... Got so bad the guys had me ride at the rear of the pack...Loved the bike and hated the noise...... |
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| marcparnes - 2011-12-17 8:35 AM Rick Farrar - 2011-12-16 9:00 PM Marc: ???? The assembly is just behind the triangle on the rite side.? Two hoses "T" and attach to it on the?side away from the air box & one on the other side going to the air box on the air box side Rick, I think you're referring to the Idle Air Control valve. This is standard on all the bikes. It controls the amount of air that is allowed to bypass the throttle plates in order to maintain the correct idle speed. Lloydz valve which I installed, further regulates the amount of air which is supposed to limit popping. The surge you feel at 1800 rpm is not a function of the valve as much as from the fuel being turned back on by the ECM. I installed Lloydz's valve in order to reduce the surge for which it did in fact help. I'm curious about the plastic screw you found. I don't see that. Thanks, MarcMarc: I'll try to get a picture of it and try my luck at adding it to a message. I still don't think I get my quotes in my replys rite yet. |
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| Marc: Got my picture of the grey knob at the IAC connection. It's got screw threads on it. |
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| Rick Farrar - 2011-12-19 7:48 PM marcparnes - 2011-12-17 8:35 AM Rick Farrar - 2011-12-16 9:00 PM Marc: ???? The assembly is just behind the triangle on the rite side.? Two hoses "T" and attach to it on the?side away from the air box & one on the other side going to the air box on the air box side Rick, I think you're referring to the Idle Air Control valve. This is standard on all the bikes. It controls the amount of air that is allowed to bypass the throttle plates in order to maintain the correct idle speed. Lloydz valve which I installed, further regulates the amount of air which is supposed to limit popping. The surge you feel at 1800 rpm is not a function of the valve as much as from the fuel being turned back on by the ECM. I installed Lloydz's valve in order to reduce the surge for which it did in fact help. I'm curious about the plastic screw you found. I don't see that. Thanks, MarcMarc: I'll try to get a picture of it and try my luck at adding it to a message. I still don't think I get my quotes in my replys rite yet. I got the picture but it didn't load the first time (operater trouble) |
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| Rick Farrar - 2011-12-25 3:50 PM
Marc: Got my picture of the grey knob at the IAC connection. It's got screw threads on it.
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| marcparnes - 2011-12-25 7:57 PM Rick Farrar - 2011-12-25 3:50 PM Marc: Got my picture of the grey knob at the IAC connection. It's got screw threads on it. I'm anxious to see that pic if you can get it posted. MarcI got it down to 100k (learned some thing new tonite). here goes! if it don't work E-Mail me at wingit3611@aol.com subject IAC
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| The grey "knob" you're seeing is actually a cap similar to a tire valve cap. Its covering up an access port to the fuel injection line. It is a fitting used to check the fuel pressure in the system. Oh well :-)
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| kevinx - 2011-12-17 10:39 AM Louder the pipe....Louder the pop. Vic uses the IAC as an air injector, and unless they change that. The pop is going nowhere Here is a picture of my California factory IAC!
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| That's not your IAC Rick. The IAC is the part right below the one you show in the picture. It has an electrical plug attached to it.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Rick Farrar - 2011-12-25 9:01 PM
kevinx - 2011-12-17 10:39 AM Louder the pipe....Louder the pop. Vic uses the IAC as an air injector, and unless they change that. The pop is going nowhere Here is a picture of my California factory IAC!
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| marcparnes - 2010-11-12 4:18 PM I just realized that my new '11 doesn't pop back through the exhaust like the '10 did. 1500 miles and it hasn't popped even once. They must have fixed something. Marc Glad somebody can keep me strait, there goes my credability. Can't answer on page two after I put that fussed up picture on page two, no quote or reply show on that page any more. Thanks guys. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Rick Farrar - 2011-12-26 11:34 AM
marcparnes - 2010-11-12 4:18 PM I just realized that my new '11 doesn't pop back through the exhaust like the '10 did. 1500 miles and it hasn't popped even once. They must have fixed something. Marc Glad somebody can keep me strait, there goes my credability. Can't answer on page two after I put that fussed up picture on page two, no quote or reply show on that page any more. Thanks guys.
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Pittsburgh, PA | I had a interesting little issue with POPPING on my 2011. well a few days ago I was getting popping that was getting worse and worse as each day went by.. Then I started to notice my idle was a little low and bouncy.. all I did to correct this issue to date was? Unplugged that IAC turned the bike on and waited for the check engine light to come on.. then I connected the IAC again and then turned the key so that you can hear the IAC. Then you turn the bike off and wait 5 second.. you do this 3 times and it makes the IAC re-learn its function.. so far 3 days now and it idle @ 1000 or slightly above and the popping is 98% gone.. all just from doing that?
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Orlando, FL | I have always assumed the popping everyone talks about is on deceleration. Mine pops from time to time and I actually kinda like it. So, I've never understood all the fuss about it. If I wanted no popping and everything all smooth and shitz I would have bought a wing. A V-twin has it's own idiosyncrasies that will always be there.
Just sayin'
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| Arkainzeye...I think you are on to something here. I have had problems with surging, coughing, and dying. I just disconnected the IAC and started. The check engine light came on. I turned off the bike and pushed the plug in and pulled it out several times to knock off corrosion, if any. I then re-started and it ran more smoothly. I turned off and re-started a few more times and slowly turned the throttle and the rpms up a few times. Seems more smooth all around! This just might be the gremlin that has been harassing me for a few weeks. I'll report back after a while.
Note that one of my vehicles is a Jetta TDI and I have to disconnect and reconnect the MAF connector several times once or twice a year. It is as if corrosion builds up on the connector and interferes with the operation. Electrical devices often operate on very narrow volts/current/resistance and if they drop out of range they do not function properly. This was the case on my Jetta. It would run crappy. I then open and close the connector a few times and boom, everything is perfect again. Same thing used to happen on an old computer. I would have to re-seat a few of the cards on occasion and the glitchy operation would go away. |
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| No joy. According to KX pulling the plug on the IAC until you get a CEL and plugging it back in forces the ECU into a learn mode. However if the IAC has a problem the issue will likely return, which in my case did. The issue is still a bit random but after checking and cleaning, and snugging up every thing electrical, I still have the surging at idle about 50% of the time. The good news it is not as severe usually. Next step is to go to the dealer and have him install and new one under warranty. |
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | I will post on this thread......3 years ago my popping was really bad! I was kinda just living with it. How ever one day I took in a radio station gas give away. I always ran Shell fuel on all my bikes. However this radio station was running their fuel give away through 7-11 convince stores. I latter found out that their fuel came from Petro-Canada refinery. Long story short, as soon as I changed brands of fuel the popping disappeared. Even my co-pilot noticed the difference. I was skeptical at the time as I always believed shell had the highest requirements for their fuel. a couple times since I have had no option but to fuel up at Shell as I was in a remote area, and the popping would return almost immedi atly. I have always said start with the most obvious this tinker deeper. |
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