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| So I took a trip down to the Cycle Dragon shop in Cerritos last weekend and thought I would test drive one of the new vision bikes. The guys down at the shop designed a new muffler for it. I was quite impressed with how the muffler sounded. It actually made the bike feel like it had more power. It truly is a great sound I would recommend everyone to go down and take a look at it. Amazingly I thought the price would be somewhat expensive, but $350 for a muffler with that quality is a great deal. If you have time... take a trip down there for yourself and check it out. 
Edited by xberreta 2008-04-12 3:20 PM
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| Does it fit under the stock shield? Do you have any contact info on them web site, phone ect? |
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| It uses the stock sheild and you can reach them at 562-468-1980 or www.cycledragon.com |
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Florida | Hmmm, looks like an ad to me. |
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New Bohemia, VA | PalmBeachRider - 2008-04-12 8:30 PM Hmmm, looks like an ad to me. Are you hijacking this thread PBR? Don't you know that is not allow either? |
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| Could not find the muffler on the website, was it a Harley type sound or more of a quiet type sound? I am looking at a set of Ness big honkers but they are big bucks when its all said and done.
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Florida | Hey Varyder, I am NOT hijacking this thread, but think about it: A new user comes on, posts about a new product and then gives the phone number. It sounds like a solicitation to me...possibly I'm incoreect. If this is hijacking, my full appologies. But this was simply an opinon based on my personal opinon on the post. |
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| Owners bitch about no accessories for their bikes but someone posts about a new product so he should be beat cause someone thinks it's an ad? Was this site created to be ad free? I thought it was a site to get information which includes products made by 3rd parties, right? |
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Florida | I'm not saying it IS an ad...but if so, simply clarify the post. I say this as this is a message board and this is where we go for information about our bikes and accessories. If people are here hawking products disguised as posts, how are we to know the difference?
For example, if I do a review on a new product and tell you how great it is and give you a number to call or a website address, wouldn't you want to know if it was a legitimate review or if I was just trying to sell some inventory?
I reviewed products for 20 years, and never sold a single item. This made my reviews credible. I don't know about you, but there is a difference between a product review and an infomercial.
My "red flags" went up when I saw it was a newbie and his 2nd post is about a $350 muffler and includes a phone number. Hmmm. |
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Stockton, Ca. | Let's not get hyper sensitive here. I am interested in new products available for my Vision. Since accessories are slow to become available I am all for networking with my comrades on this website. I know we don't want unnecessary solicitation but we should still encourage sharing of new found items for our bikes that we may not have found ourselves. After all this is America... freedom of speech etc, don't discourage newbees from sharing, it may be something great we can all benifit from. I have been waiting for quite some time for an exhaust system, Victory has not been able to supply my needs, why not check into aftermarket if something is available and it is good quality. Also look carefully how this post started. Phone number and website was not communicated until a question came back. The original post was just informational. Thanks for the info Xberreta...
Edited by okthenbye 2008-04-14 8:38 PM
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Florida | Okay, I'll withdraw from this one. |
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| PalmBeachRider - 2008-04-12 5:30 PM
Hmmm, looks like an ad to me.
Thanks for the info xberreta, I'm hoping for some other options beside the expensive factory stage 1 or stage 2, price sounds good if the quality is. |
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Temecula, California | OK guy's I don't post much here, but I do read most everything here. I know Desert Jim, was at his house for the BBQ for Arizona week.
I bought my Vision Jan 18 and I am so impressed with it. I ordered S1L1, still don't have it.
I purchased the vivi from Cycle Dragon in Cerritos Ca. Greg the owner has been working on an exhaust system for me and anyone else that wants one now. I haven't heard it yet but they tell me it sounds great. Cycle Dragon is about 100 miles from my home so I don't go to often, however I'll be going soon to hear and purchase if I like the new exhaust. I'll then post all the info for the rest of you. |
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| Please let us know, the funny thing is these exhaust systems come out and the dealer has no bikes in stock with the system on it. I am not paying 1000 bucks for a system I can hear first, I like a loud bike cause here in Vegas the people are borderline brain dead as it is and I find a loud pipe keeps me from getting hit. So when you hear it please post what it sounds like.
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So Cal | I checked out the website, but no mention of the muffler. Keep us posted. Waiting for Victory to step up to the plate is getting old. |
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Brighton, TN | I'm still sensitive, at least that's why my girlfriend's tell me. OH yeah! and my panties are all bunched up too, oowwww, oochie ouchie! Sometimes you neeed a little bunch in the undies.. Gettim all riled up I say! |
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Stockton, Ca. | The Arlen Ness system should be available any day now also. They were just waiting on some K&N intakes at this point. I did see and hear a set at their Dublin, Ca. location installed on one of the employee owned bikes. They fit behind the stock heat shields and the sound was excellent! Deep Throaty sound kind of like a big V-8 at an idle. They are telling me no remap is necessary they basically slip on. The bike I listened to had the honeycomb (catalitic) removed from the pipes. I would bet the Las Vegas location would also have these available at the same time. They should sell for about the same as the Victory factory Stage 1 Level 2s. |
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| If this is the big honkers exhaust system your talking about it is ready to go at the Vegas Ness location, Eric said that the Ness system does need a remap but no power commander needed. Getting mine installed tomorrow.
Shane
Edited by shane6727 2008-04-15 8:41 PM
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Stockton, Ca. | I called Ness Dublin this afternoon and they have 12 in stock, Well... 11 I have them holding one for me. According to one of the Ness people their system does not need any mapping and the one I saw and listened to was installed without any remap. Sounded Good! I asked about deceleration popping and again they said not an issue. I will be picking up mine on Saturday, should be on by Sunday so I will let you know how it is. Ness also has their Power Commanders which I'm sure can help maximize power and fuel consumption but they never mentioned a package deal. I am going to try their exhaust first then add on if necessary. They are also telling me I don't have to install the K&N air filter and the performance air filters are still a week away but that is a must have with the exhaust. I'll get that when they come in. I don't think they would mislead me. I have used their service dept. for about 2, years purchased the Vision and they have been great to work with so far.
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So Cal | okthenbye, keep us posted about driveability after the install. Im starting to have second thoughts about the factory stage kits. Im more inclined to trust Ness for quality products. Being a manufacturer, Victory has a tougher set of rules they have to follow EPA wise. |
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| Sounds like they are selling two different set up's, Cause the Vegas guys told me cost is a little more than a grand and that INCLUDED the high flow air filter, mufflers and the remap (sold as a kit). Who knows guess we will find out..One thing for sure tho, you need that high flo air filter with the mufflers for the bike to run smooth, Ill be bringing my bike in tomorrow and will post when its all said and done. From what im told the sound is awesome.
Shane
http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d93/shane6727/Victory%20Vision/?a...
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Lake Park, GA | I had the Stage 1 Level 2 pipes installed. I was suprised to see "Victory Performance" - "for off road use only" stamped on them. I was under the impression that all new pipes from Vic had to meet EPA on road specs. I thought the off road use only was gone with the 08 bikes. I hope the mapping on on the S1L2 is better than the L1s. I pick it up tomorrow from the dealer. |
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Northwest of you | I deliberately avoided getting different "pipes" on my Vision, because I want it to be as quiet as possible (I have a JP with "shotguns" for the days I want "noise" . However, the last time I rode, I made an interesting discouvery............. I had just ridden a new Goldwing (checking out the competition) and found the "cockpit" to be extremely cramped, so when I got back on the Vision, I exagerated "stretching out" and was "leaned" as far back on the bike as possible. The exhaust note was quite different back there. More rumble and louder than when in the normal driving position. Once again, love this bike that is giving me the best of both worlds. |
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New Bohemia, VA | nowor2l8 - 2008-04-16 10:46 AM However, the last time I rode, I made an interesting discouvery............. I had just ridden a new Goldwing (checking out the competition) and found the "cockpit" to be extremely cramped, so when I got back on the Vision, I exagerated "stretching out" and was "leaned" as far back on the bike as possible. Once again, love this bike that is giving me the best of both worlds. Thanks for sharing this nowor2l8, I wanted to know how the GL1800 was, it sounds the same as the GL1500. Though I do hear that the GL1800 handles much better than the GL1500. Not that I have any regrets, but was curious as to the comparison. The low saddle and the stretchability on the Vision is the best part about it for me. |
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Stockton, Ca. | Ok, I picked up the Arlen Ness Big Honkers today. The techs at Arlen Ness told me the install would be complicated but the truth is they are basically slip ons. Thought I'd give it a try. I took off the aluminum panels behind the engine then the side panels below the saddle bags. Once that was done the rest was simple. The original bands holding the chrome heat shields had to be cut and the rivits holding the exhaust tips drilled out. Those were the only real modifications. The bands cut very easily with a dremel and carbarundum wheel. After removal of the old exhaust there is a honeycomb mesh in the header pipe. That is the catalitic it can be drilled through then cut out with a small sawsall. I left mine in. Slipped on the new exhaust tightened the clamps put it all back together and the sound is excelent and improved performance as well!. The high flow air filters are still not in but the performance is still quite snappy with only the new exhaust. There is some slight crackling on deceleration but no more than my supercharged Mini Cooper. I am jazzed! As I said before the Dublin Ness location is not selling a bundled package in fact it was very reasonable for the results that I received.
Exhaust $449.00, minus a 10% discount for being a patient customer waiting for these to come in.
Net cost, $404.00 plus tax.
Labor to install... Zero, nada, nothing,
Priceless!
I did it myself... Sounds like a comercial but it's not! |
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LaPorte,Tx. | okthenbye, I'm a little curious about the "Big Honkers". They look identical to the Victory Stage 1 Level 1 muffer. In the Ness catalog they mention 2.25" lovercore baffle, which the level 1 has a louvercore in it with 2.25" inlet and 1.625" outlet. Are you running "Tailgunner" tips or the stock tip? Looks like you got a good deal. |
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Stockton, Ca. | I am using the stock tips although the tailgunners might look a little more finished. With the stock tips you have to drill out the 3 rivits and remove the insert. That leaves the open pipe basically. Probably breathes better though. I do feel I need the performance air filter so I ordered one online. Should have it in a couple of days to complete the job. |
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Warren, Vermont | Does anyone know if the Ness Big Honkers will allow the gatling gun tips to be installed?
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| cjnoho - 2008-04-14 11:31 PM
I checked out the website, but no mention of the muffler. Keep us posted. Waiting for Victory to step up to the plate is getting old.
Just checked out the website and the new slip-ons are available, just wondering how they compare to the pipes that are currently available..........
http://www.cycledragon.com/Victory_Vision_Muffler_System.htm |
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SF Bay Area | VisionTex - 2008-04-20 11:09 AM
okthenbye, I'm a little curious about the "Big Honkers". They look identical to the Victory Stage 1 Level 1 muffer. In the Ness catalog they mention 2.25" lovercore baffle, which the level 1 has a louvercore in it with 2.25" inlet and 1.625" outlet. Are you running "Tailgunner" tips or the stock tip? Looks like you got a good deal.
VisionTex,
The Ness Honkers are very different from the stage 1 pipes you had posted pictures of. The Ness pipes do not have the small restriction plate in the middle, they have a 2.25" louvered tube exiting into a cone shaped end... the ass end is an open cone almost big enough to put your hand into... making the sound deep with a low rumble.
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SF Bay Area | VisionTex - 2008-04-20 11:09 AM
okthenbye, I'm a little curious about the "Big Honkers". They look identical to the Victory Stage 1 Level 1 muffer. In the Ness catalog they mention 2.25" lovercore baffle, which the level 1 has a louvercore in it with 2.25" inlet and 1.625" outlet. Are you running "Tailgunner" tips or the stock tip? Looks like you got a good deal.
VisionTex,
The Ness Honkers are very different from the stage 1 pipes you had posted pictures of. The Ness pipes do not have the small restriction plate in the middle, they have a 2.25" louvered tube exiting into a cone shaped end... the ass end is an open cone almost big enough to put your hand into... making the sound deep with a low rumble.
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SF Bay Area | VisionTex - 2008-04-20 11:09 AM
okthenbye, I'm a little curious about the "Big Honkers". They look identical to the Victory Stage 1 Level 1 muffer. In the Ness catalog they mention 2.25" lovercore baffle, which the level 1 has a louvercore in it with 2.25" inlet and 1.625" outlet. Are you running "Tailgunner" tips or the stock tip? Looks like you got a good deal.
VisionTex,
The Ness Honkers are very different from the stage 1 pipes you had posted pictures of. The Ness pipes do not have the small restriction plate in the middle, they have a 2.25" louvered tube exiting into a cone shaped end... the ass end is an open cone almost big enough to put your hand into... making the sound deep with a low rumble.
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Under the Rule of Jedi - Masshole | Way to get that post count up Mike! |
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Warren, Vermont | I just ordered a set from Cycle Dragon. He claims that they work with the gatling gun tips and are quite tunable with the removable end cap and baffle. Claims that the stock baffle requires no special controller or tuning. You can remove some of the fiberglass on the baffle to create your own sound, but that might require some tuning....
Lloyd are you ready?
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| Hippo - 2008-05-13 11:24 AM
I just ordered a set from Cycle Dragon.
Lloyd are you ready?
Hippo
Yup, me too....... |
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Northern RI | to those that installed the Ness mufflers and the Cycle Dragon mufflers could you post sound bytes? Thanks |
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Northern RI | buddahead, is that the stock tip? How do you open it up? |
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SF Bay Area | vtwin17 - 2008-05-19 1:44 PM
buddahead, is that the stock tip? How do you open it up?
Yes it is... I simply ground off the brass threaded bushings, and removed the guts and painted the insides flat black, reinstalled 'em with new bolts (& nuts) and rumbled away down the road. I had one spin when I tried to remove the tips anyway... Polaris shouldn't have used thread lock with a brass bushing in the first place. |
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Suprise sounding Vision muffler