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Iron Butt
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Perry Hall, MD | When I first got the Vision I ran a couple of tanks of reg, mid, and high test gas and found that the bike ran best on mid grade. With the insane price increase I've tried the regular again. Can't say that I see any loss in performance and it has nearly eliminated the popping that came when I installed the Cherry Bomb exhaust. I can't get over 40 mpg, but since we are still waiting for spring to show up that is probably not bad.
With the exhaust and fuel change should I be heading to the dealer to get it mapped?
Anybody else using regular gas?
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | I've used 87 since day one and have had no issues yet-It's my 63 Tbirds need for 105 that worries me, I've found leaded octane booster in the off road aisle @ Poop Boys since it's 'illegal' for road use for all 75 gallons I use in the car fro the entire Summer.
Edited by SYNSTR 2011-03-26 10:02 AM
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2 mi from Jim Beam n KY | Interesting! |
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New Bohemia, Va | I tried it here in Central Va and I thought my motor was going to blow apart it pinged and rattle so much. I even gave it a chance for a couple of hundred miles to let the computer rethink. Mid-grade was not much better, run 92/93 all the time now. |
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Chattanooga, TN | +1 what the Cap'n says |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | I have put 87 in when no other gas was avaible but I get pinging.
I use Sunoco Ultra first and any prem second choice.
I like the sound when I run on Ultra |
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Orangeville, PA | I use the highest octane available. |
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| If you go on the internet and do a gasoline search you'll find the pros and cons. As I remember low is not good for use where middle to high is way better.
Yes gas is high and more then likely will get higher but if were getting 40 miles to the gallon where is the saving if you hurt your motor. Passing one car or going up one grade in the wrong gear could do it. For what your saving $1.80 for six gallons is it worth it when you have to have a new piston or a valve job.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryarticles/a/which-gasoline-to... |
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| Cap'n Nemo - 2011-03-26 11:31 AM
I tried it here in Central Va and I thought my motor was going to blow apart it pinged and rattle so much. I even gave it a chance for a couple of hundred miles to let the computer rethink. Mid-grade was not much better, run 92/93 all the time now.
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Tourer
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Troy, NY | The Risk and Reward for the gas difference isn't worth it. Stick with the high grade, ride you bike all the time and not your "other" vehicle. You will make up the price difference and have a lot more funn!!  |
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Tucson, AZ | When I first got my VV I only used 91 octane. Then I started using 89 to see, hear, or feel any difference. I couldn't. So I've used only 89 ever since. Can't tell the difference. |
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Akron Ohio area | Remember that those octane numbers are minimum allowable.
Octane readings can be higher, not lower.
To finish off-loading a tanker truck, it has been observed that if the premium gas station fuel tank is full, the rest of the tankers premium gas goes into the next lower grade fuel tank.
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Akron Ohio area | Remember that those octane numbers are minimum allowable.
Octane readings can be higher, not lower.
To finish off-loading a tanker truck, it has been observed that if the premium gas station fuel tank is full, the rest of the tankers premium gas goes into the next lower grade fuel tank.
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Willmar, MN | I have always used 89 or 87. I have only noticed any pinning a couple times. 30k miles so far. |
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Houston, Texas | Rode the STARSHIP to AVR in 2009, when I got to Iowa the highest octane I could find was 89 (10% Ethanol). The STARSHIP ran fine but my mileage suffered, was glad to get back south.
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | I have run regular gas a number of times and seemed to make no difference until while on a trip with my son-in-law last summer coming through Vermont and he decided to wind up his Triumph Sprint. Under full throttle I got no pinging until I eased off the gas and she pinged pretty bad. Ran high test since. The last place you want detonation is full throttle. |
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Tifton, GA | Most of the time the price difference is only .20 more for the highest octane. Most of the time you will only purchase about 5 gallons. So for an average of a dollar a fill up I run the highest octane the station sells. I have done this with all my bikes even the ones that could use regular. Cheap insurance to prevent what could become an expensive problem. Just my .02 on this one. |
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New Bohemia, Va | Keep in mind that altitude makes a difference. In Colorado the only thing I could find was 89 and it ran fine until I got lower. |
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Simi Valley, CA | California gas has so many additives in it, you NEED to run 91/92 or it pings like mad. I accidentally made that mistake one time- never again. |
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Tucson , AZ | I use mid grade / 89. Seems to do ok... |
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Jasper, MO | bigfoot - 2011-03-27 5:54
To finish off-loading a tanker truck, it has been observed that if the premium gas station fuel tank is full, the rest of the tankers premium gas goes into the next lower grade fuel tank.
That does happen sometimes. Actually, it's far more likely that the opposite happens. The leftover regular goes into the premium tank. Most stations don't ever fill their premium tanks to the top, since they don't sell that much premium, while they will fill their regular tanks to the max with each delivery. Stations have to make an educated guess as to how much gas they will sell between the time they order a load and the time it arrives, so they often end up ordering more regular than will fit, so the regular tank will be full when the tanker leaves.
There are guidelines for doing this, believe it or not. Putting 50 or 100 gallons of regular into a tank that already has 5000 gallons of premium in it doesn't affect the octane rating of the combined product enough to measure. Putting 500 gallons of regular into the premium tank isn't "officially" allowed by the guidelines.
The station orders the load and is charged, and has to pay for, the total gallons on board the tanker.......................
Product grade mixing is actually pretty rare, but it does happen on occasion. Some stations are prone to it, while other stations almost never have it happen. It all depends on the station's management and how well they time their orders and deliveries.
Ronnie
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New Orleans, La, | I live in the south and do 90% of my driving here. In 90-100+ degree weather and stop and go traffic and have only noticed my VV pinging once the engine got super hot and stopped once the engine temp. dropped. I only run regular gas and have from day one. I average 45mpg on the highway at 77 mph. If it has fresh oil in it the it runs cooler and even high temp stop n go traffic doesn't make it ping. Just my personal experience with my VV |
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Lehigh Valley, Pa | In the winter I run regular and the temp increases I start to hear a ping I move up to mid. I try to run the lowest octane possible with out pinging. |
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Spfld, IL but temp Bay area, CA | My wife had a car that had to have several fuel injectors replaced. My mechanic swears that only using premium from a name brand station will help prevent this due to the additional additives--that was about 12 years ago. Haven't had any injector issues on any vehicle since including my TC and the Vision. Note that as gas prices rise, premium becomes even less of a premium price as the difference in reg and premium stays between 20 and 30 cents. Premium should be 40-50 cents higher to keep the same percentage as when regular was $2. |
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Akron, Ohio | My VV gets better milage on the 89 octane vs the 91 or higher. I have run the 87 and have had no problems to date. |
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Akron Ohio area | $20,000 plus motorcycle and you guys crack me up with trying to pinch pennies on fuel, oil and tires.
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Springfield, TN | Liandra - 2011-03-27 8:21 PM
Most of the time the price difference is only .20 more for the highest octane. Most of the time you will only purchase about 5 gallons. So for an average of a dollar a fill up I run the highest octane the station sells. I have done this with all my bikes even the ones that could use regular. Cheap insurance to prevent what could become an expensive problem. Just my .02 on this one.
Like Liandra said... Seriously... I've ridden almost 40K miles on my VV since May '08 and would have saved less than $200 by using 87 octane... not worth risking engine damage to me. If you can't afford the $1 per tank you may want to sell your VV and get something that gets 70 mpg... just sayin'... am resisting the temptation to add a comment about the "darkside" post (<:~ |
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West Knoxville TN | Just use the premium gas and never look back. You are only going this way once so do it right. |
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Dallas, Texas | Doesn't this depend a lot on what oil you use? |
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Fargo, ND | You just HAD to go there, didn't you? :P |
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Woodland Hills, CA | bigfoot - 2011-03-29 6:11 PM
$20,000 plus motorcycle and you guys crack me up with trying to pinch pennies on fuel, oil and tires.
Ditto! |
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Salt Lake City | Damn, I've been running on jet fuel from our local airport; think I'm missing something here.....  |
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Puddle Jumper
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NW Jersey | Well now OIL, when it comes to oil the octane rating is part of the Federal Quantitative Easing. And depends on if wet birds fly at night. Of course this is a slippery topic. If you go with the Mogabloatz 3000 or the Binford 9000, whew big difference. LOL
When traveling cross-country, the Interstate drone, swapping from Hi octane to mid-range, every other tankfull doesn't really make a difference but once you are climbing long grades, and major elevation changes it is by far best practice to go with highest octane available. In my area the gas is played with by the Feds with oxyginated crapola, only Hi Test is the way to go, besides I have a hill to climb everyday (10% grade) downhill NO problemo, uphill requires only the good juice.
The Vision is an awesome machine and it's worth the extra pennies. |
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Iron Butt
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Perry Hall, MD | OK all, I'll kick the octane back up to 89. Will add that my last 3 cars all called for high test but never had anything but regular and never had an injector or pinging issue with over 100K on each. But, I like the VV better than any of them (especially the Volvo) so I'll listen to the majority on this one.
Just want to add that I DID NOT START AN OIL THREAD!! |
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Columbia, TN United States | Did everyones bike but mine not come with the Mr. Fusion? |
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| Little known fact but the octane of gas needs to match the oil. Please take the extra time to match synthetic oils with a gas/ethanol blend. regular oil with regular gas etc etc.
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Springfield, TN | where can I get some Mogabloatz 3000??? |
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Using Regular Gas