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Cruiser
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Apopka, FL | It happened again. My VV stalled for the 2nd time when I was downshifting and pulled in the clutch. I shifted down to 2nd, the motor quit, and I let out the clutch... all within a split second. Normally, when coming to a straight stop and the rear tire skids due to a dead motor, it's no biggie. Today, I was down into a 90* corner turning into my office. When you are bending the road and leaning in, it tightens your sphincter when the rear end is dead!!!!! I didn't go down, but could have. Fortunately, I was doing maybe 10 mph and righted the bike safely.
Is this a common occurrence? I have read other accounts of it happening. What needs to be done to rectify? |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | After every winter my Vision runs rough. It was running rich for so long in the cold that I think that carbon is fouling the plugs. I will have my plugs replaced at the next service and see if it runs better.
I have had two stalls in the past month.
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 40
Kansas | With the games be played out at the pump watch were you buy your go juice. Some of the guys around town are starting to complain about water in their fuel. This recession has many different sides so don't risk the cheapest gas with some home brew to maintain their profit levels. |
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Visionary
Posts: 3773
Pittsburgh, PA | Mine stalled twice before I got my power commander. After the pcv it never stalled again |
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Tourer
Posts: 444
Bay of Gigs, WA | Mine's done that, each time I was able to pull in the clutch and hit the start button and it took right off. Now that I'm aware, I'm not necessarily on the lookout for it, but I'm ready. As I got used to the bike, I found that I can time my downshifting to avoid the problem 99% of the time. I think it gets it's brains scrambled if you're downshifting and blipping the throttle at the same time, some computer thing that certainly doesn't endear itself to me, and worthy of a recall, in my opinion. There are other threads on here where this is mentioned. Careful out there! |
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 48
Simpsonville, SC | I have an 09 VV with only 1,800 miles (picked it up last November), it has never stalled or popped. The motor is stock. My dealer said that Victory has an updated map, not sure how recently it was updated. Good luck, hope you resolve this very annoying and potentially dangerous problem. |
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Iron Butt
Posts: 742
North Orange County CA | First thing that I would do is check to make certain that the connections to both your battery, and the main circuit breaker are clean and tight. The main breaker is under the black plastic cover on the left side of the bike between the engine and the oil cooler. The connections have a tendency to get loose occasionally with potentially ugly results.
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Tourer
Posts: 492
Indianapolis, IN | Old habits don't work with new engines. An old habit that exists in the motorcycling public is to blip or bump the throttle regularly. If I had to guess, the origin probably has something to do with poor engine designs of the past that did not idle very well. Also the nature of racing engines to not idle smoothly would also develop this habit. If it's the only way to keep it running you learn to do it all the time. I can't say this is the reason some are having trouble with sudden engine stoppage because I'm just going off what I have read and don't know everybody's riding habits. I do know this from my mechanical background, if a problem is occurring due to some mechanical or system failure it will usually get progressively worse. If it's due to human input you should be able to repeat it and establish/correct the problem. The nature of modern fuel injected engines is they either start/run smoothly, run poorly all the time or don't run at all. If there is a system problem, it probably wouldn't start right up and run smoothly immediatley after dying. I will add at this point that the "old rules" that applied to all carbureted vehicles of the past do not apply and should not be practiced with any fuel injected vehicles, including victory bikes. The old days of setting chokes, pumping accelerators before starting, holding the throttle open to start, priming, and yes blipping the throttle, are not required and frankly only have a negative effect on computer controlled fuel systems. BTW here's an old habit many of us learned from our grandfathers that not only is a myth but has exactly has the opposite effect if we are in the habit of doing it. Remember how gramps would stomp the accelerator on the old car to "blow the carbon out of her" before shutting the car off. Sure you saw a puff of black smoke come out the exhaust when he did it, but what we didn't know was that wasn't carbon build up being blown out of the engine. That was actually a puff of unburnt fuel that appears in the form of black smoke, caused by a sudden surge of fuel at idle. The engine couldn't burn it all and so it turned to carbon soot. The result was actually to coat the inside of the cylinders, exhaust valves and exhaust system with a nice layer of carbon just as he was shutting her down. Probably the worst thing you could do to an engine. Now to respond to the original question........ I would check the spark plugs as earlier mentioned, also buy only high grade fuel, and be mindful of your riding habits. If it's a system problem, it will probably continue to get worse until you pinpoint the problem. If it's you or bad fuel, my guess is it will just go away when you make the changes. Good luck and keep us posted. |
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Iron Butt
Posts: 965
New York State | I have an 08 Vision if she is really hot she some times cuts out at stops. I have never had her not restart right away but it does get me in the stomach when it happens. |
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 44
Middleburg, Fl. | I hear ya! Mine has hiccupped and once died; my '07 Bonneville has done it. It has only happened when blipping the throttle sharply from low rpm or idle rpm such as to increase the engine speed prior to a downshift. The abrubt transition from closed throttle>open throttle>closed throttle is "tricking" the EFI, I think. I am trying to adjust my throttle behavior away from the "old" practice as mentioned by another poster. That rear wheel will easily drag you down if you are cornering at slow speed when it happens! |
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Iron Butt
Posts: 612
| Tarpits99 - 2011-04-04 7:37 PM
First thing that I would do is check to make certain that the connections to both your battery, and the main circuit breaker are clean and tight. The main breaker is under the black plastic cover on the left side of the bike between the engine and the oil cooler. The connections have a tendency to get loose occasionally with potentially ugly results.
And after you check the connections, spend the $8 to replace the main breaker relay! They are known to be faulty on many 2009 Visions. My friend has an '09 Vision and his would die just like yours.... chased that demon with a new key assembly, new battery, etc. It was the main breaker relay.... especially when it would heat up. Picked his up an an auto parts store. Hasn't died once since.
Edited by Turk 2011-04-05 7:26 AM
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Cruiser
Posts: 101
Springfield, TN | My '08 did the intermittent dying while shifting deal on my way to Myrtle Beach in May '08... luckily I was in Knoxville and the guys at Ultimate Motorsports found a bad relay and robbed one off a new bike in back (So new they didn't have any relays in stock). No problems in 39,000 since.
I thought the throttle "blip" when downshifting was to match the engine speed with the tranny gears... easier on clutch, etc... just sayin' I always downshift that way and don't have problems.
Edited by Mikeebiker 2011-04-05 4:41 PM
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Visionary
Posts: 4278
| DO NOT blip the throttle EFI'S are not made to blip |
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Tourer
Posts: 329
scotts valley, California | Downshifting into a turn I keep my throttle open just enough so that when the clutch disengages, the rpm's increase by about 500rpm. This makes for a fast, smooth shift with no stalls. And yes, if I blip the throttle to sound like my Harley friends, there is a chance she'll blip out. I use the same procedure for double down shifting too, only I leave the throttle open enough to increase the rpm by about a thousand. It is cool and smooth. Like when you slow to 65 in 6th gear your r's are about 22-2300, right on the edge of lugging. As I disengage the clutch, I keep the throttle open a bit so the r's increase to about 3300 and rapidly tap the shifter down twice to 4th reingaging the clutch... smooth... in this instant you can throttle down or crack it wide open and be going 100mph in nothing flat. Thanks kevinx! |
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