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Northern NJ | I'm currently running Amsoil in my 2008 Vision and am considering trying Mobil 1 V-Twin Oil as a high-mileage alternative.
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Pittsburgh, PA | i have used polaris oil, amsoil, mobil1 vtwin and Rotella T6 5w40. and my two favs are mobil1 and amsoil with rotella being a damn good oil and at a incredible price! The mobil1 vtwin oil ALSO scored very well in a motorcycle oil test. |
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Ruskin, Fl | I used it for 30,000 plus miles in my first Vision. My new used Vision had Amsoil in it. I switched it to Mobil1 and like it better. Plus the fact I can go a half mile to Advance Auto Pars and get it. Last oil change they had it on sale for the first time. $40 for 4 quarts and a Fram filter. Since it's a car filter, I forget the number, they had to make some kind of adjustment when they rang it up. |
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Northern NJ | Good to hear. I assume this is the 20W-50?
What kind of mileage do you run between oil changes? |
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East TN | I use Mobil 1 V-twin and the motor "seems" smoother and shifts easier than the OEM oil... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | there is a guy on here that uses mobil1 Vtwin and does oil changes of every 5000 miles, he also sent his used oil out to blackstonelabs to be tested to make sure it was safe to Double the oil change interval. and the test results came back perfect! 5000 miles didnt even stress the oil out to where it was no longer good for service. now me personally i still only do the 2500 O.C.I., but thats ONLY do to my extended warranty. as victory is one of the only companies that will ask for receipts and what not if you have a engine problem. (my dealer told me this, he sales multi brands) once my warranty is UP, i will do 5000 miles OCI as well. |
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Baltimore, Md | I had tried Amsoil in my '08 and liked the performance but the clutch began slipping. I have heard this is the only downside to Amsoil (or possibly any similar oil) in Visions - that SOME of the bikes do get clutch slippage. Anyone hear anything similar to this with the Mobil1? Currently I am using Castrol ACT-EVO that is also recommended by some of the local Vic shops and am having no problems. Possibly the Castol and Mobil1 are similar so there may be no need to switch. My bike is now in the shop to check exhaust leaks in the popcorn machine accessory I unknowingly got free with purchase, but I am not due an oil change just yet. In mid May I have a tour trip coming up and might consider changing just before that. |
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New Bohemia, Va | 3rd and goal.
Interesting observation that folks make that I cannot dispute about AMSOIL making your clutch slip on your bike. However, on my bike, using AMSOIL, two up, on a hill in full acceleration on Sunday, I had no clutch slippage. I've got about 5,000 on the oil at the moment and find it is holding up well being the first time I used 0w40 for recreational vehicles with JASO M. I've used Rotella 5w40, and AMSOIL 10w40 and find those to be good oil as well. |
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Central New York | Love a good oil thread  . I tried Mobil 1 V-Twin in my 08. Drained it out after 1200 miles. I didn't like the way it shifted and it made my shift indicator go all fluky. Went back to Rotella Blue Jug and all is good. Shifts quite and smooth, indicator works perfectly, no clutch slippage, and the price is right. I have no real change interval, over 3,000 and never over 5,000. Depends on ambition, weather, mood, and if I'd rather be riding. Always got a couple jugs and a filter or two in the garage, just in case the wind blows right and I'm in the mood. 
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Troy, NY | I have used both Mobil and Amsoil. The only difference I could tell is Amsoil makes the engine more quiet. I didn't have any clutch slippage issue. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i agree with you about the amsoil is more "quiet" but for me mobil1 was in a close 2nd. as far as gear indictor being not right. that is a known issue with the vision. many have been replaced under warranty. actually mine has been that way for 2 years and thats when i was using victory oil. my gear indictor does it no matter what oil i use. |
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New Bohemia, Va | the real thing that has me concerned is not only has this gone on with several comments about different oils, but DONETRACY has chimed in with some expert advice.
I think the best thing I can do at as I get closer to the 100,000 mile mark is that I should switch back to Vic oil so they'll replace my transmission when it blows... |
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Akron, Ohio | I used the Mobil V-Twin oil last year. Then as the temps got cooler I went with the Mobil 5w-40 Turbo Diesel oil. I believe I like it better. The bike seems quieter and the shifts seem the same. No clutch issue either way. Cost wise from what I remember, the 5w40 TD is cheaper than the V-Twin. |
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Akron, Ohio | As a second thought the one thing I will add, The V-Twin oil was designed for HD engines. They have a MUCH different oil pressure than the Victory engine. The 20w-50 MAY be a little too heavy for us. |
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| In my opinion don't change say with what you have. I have heard of guys loosing there clutch cause of the switching oils.
Stay with one brad if it ain't broke don't fix it. |
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New Mexico | I Love Mobile 1, having used it in several past motorcycles. Smoother shifting, better mpg, quieter engine.
As soon as my warranty is up (4 years) I am switching over to it, along with 5k oil change intervals.
Edited by Boots 2011-04-12 9:38 PM
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guelph ontario | Using different oils than the Vic oil does not void the warranty unless it is not the same classification. |
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Baltimore, Md | As I said, MY clutch slipped a lot using the Amsoil and quickly returned to normal when I drained and replaced with Vic and/or Castrol. I have heard SOME others have had a similar experience. It's odd that it only occurs on SOME of the bikes and not others and apparently not most, just SOME. I wish I could find a way to remedy that so that I could safely use the Amsoil because I did like the improvements. Other than new clutch plates, I don't know how and that would be a dice roll anyway.
On a side note, let me just say how pleasant it is to read this "dreaded oil thread" and not find the usual vitriol and name-calling I have witnessed on other forums. One particularly hateful thread went on forever at the VOG with mostly insults and illogical statements labeled as 'facts' without proof and very little truly useful information. It shows you can have a thoughtful and useful 'oil thread' without the drama. There may be disagreement, but not necessarily venom. Kudos to all involved. |
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Midlothian, Va. | My Vision has been using Amsoil for 13k now (10w40) and it's been the only oil besides what the factory put in. Change every 5500 miles or so and no slippy. It's' slippery and the engine likes it. |
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Baltimore, Md | After speaking with the local service manager today, he believes that the difference in slip/non-slip may be the 20-50W vs. 10-40W and sells (and uses) Amsoil 10-40 for Vic motors. I had used the 20-50 bcz that is what Amsoil recommended at the time and was closest to what Victory calls for. Now Amsoil also recommends the 10-40W for Victory, so I may try it again and see how my clutch responds. |
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New Bohemia, Va | I often wonder if the clutch material itself, per manufacturer, makes the slippage more pronounced on some bikes. Just a thought. |
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Rhode Island | I used Amsoil 10-40 in my Kingpin for 16k and now the Vision for 5k and no slippage I have ever noticed. I have a lot of respect for KevinX and he has always recommended to stay away from any full synthetic. My Kingpin used to shift loud and hard after about 1800 miles when using Vic oil, at one time I was considering 2 qts of dino and 2.5 of synthetic but never tried it. Hopefully someone will figure out what it is; I wonder if anyone has ever had a clutch slip using 10,40?
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Jasper, MO | I, too, have been using Amsoil in my motorcycles for a long time with great results. 10+ years running Amsoil in Victory motorcycles and no clutch slippage. We have all heard of the clutch slipping issues some owners have had when running Amsoil. I have to wonder if some people are using the wrong Amsoil, for the application, in an attempt to save a couple of bucks. The reason I have to wonder is because Amsoil makes three different 10W-40 synthetic oils at three different price levels. The XL extended life oil is not rated for wet clutches, and is $2 or $3 cheaper than the other 10W-40 oils they sell. If someone were to use it, instead of the Premium or the MC oil, I don't doubt that they would have issues with the clutch slipping. All Amsoil is synthetic, but not all of it is rated for wet clutches.
Just wondering why some have problems while many others run it with no problem. I even ran it in a ZX14 with no clutch problems, and that thing put out 178 horsepower stock.
Whatever the brand of oil one chooses to run in a wet clutch application, like a Victory, it better have the JASO-MA rating if you don't want to risk having a clutch issue. Some Amsoil products have it, some don't.
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Salisbury, NC | I have been using Mobil V-Twin since the 1st oil change every 5000 miles. Says it is made for wet clutchs. If I can spin the front sprocket bolt in the lockring, then I know its not slipping. ET |
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Lindale, TX | I'm using Mobile 1 V-Twin every 5,000 miles. I am planning to try Amsoil at the next change to see if I feel a difference. |
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Lehigh Valley, Pa | It is odd the different results with the same oil. I tried Mobile 1 VT and the clutch slipped. It was not terrible and with a bit of hand control I could prevent it, but that is not how it should be. I went back to Vic oil and it cleared up. The motor was quieter with the M1VT oil.
My Kohler V twin lawnmower engine loves the M1 VT oil.... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I've always wondered if the cycles that have clutches slip with synth motorcycle oil have weaker clutches to start with? Kawasaki was known for this issue is their 1500 cc cruisers. Here later it was found to be weak clutch springs.... I never had a clutch slip on any of my cycles or atvs ... And I use only synth oil. I'm not saying I don't believe people... I just wonder if these same people will be replacing clutches sooner than others? Even when using oem oils. |
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Baltimore, Md | rdbudd - 2011-04-13 7:50 PM I, too, have been using Amsoil in my motorcycles for a long time with great results. 10+ years running Amsoil in Victory motorcycles and no clutch slippage. We have all heard of the clutch slipping issues some owners have had when running Amsoil. I have to wonder if some people are using the wrong Amsoil, for the application, in an attempt to save a couple of bucks. The reason I have to wonder is because Amsoil makes three different 10W-40 synthetic oils at three different price levels. The XL extended life oil is not rated for wet clutches, and is $2 or $3 cheaper than the other 10W-40 oils they sell. If someone were to use it, instead of the Premium or the MC oil, I don't doubt that they would have issues with the clutch slipping. All Amsoil is synthetic, but not all of it is rated for wet clutches. Just wondering why some have problems while many others run it with no problem. I even ran it in a ZX14 with no clutch problems, and that thing put out 178 horsepower stock. Whatever the brand of oil one chooses to run in a wet clutch application, like a Victory, it better have the JASO-MA rating if you don't want to risk having a clutch issue. Some Amsoil products have it, some don't. Ronnie I can't speak for others, but in my case I used the high end-high priced Amsoil 20-50 that they recommended at the time for Vics and for wet clutches and I had serious slipping. I wasn't cheaping out or using a 'lesser' version. Now Amsoil specifically shows the 10-40W for Vics but STILL also shows the old 20-50 that I tried. Since my dealer is not having problems with the 10-40 and uses it, I may try it and see. But, the slipping problem I had was NOT related to using inferior spec oil or non-wet clutch rated Amsoil.
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Ruskin, Fl | I use the 20w50 v-twin most of the time. Couple of time I used the 10w40 racing. Didn't notice a difference. I go about 4k, or when the clutch starts to shudder when you take off. I barely got 2K on Vic oil before clutch felt grabby |
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Jasper, MO | flint350 - 2011-04-14 10:25 AM
rdbudd - 2011-04-13 7:50 PM I, too, have been using Amsoil in my motorcycles for a long time with great results. 10+ years running Amsoil in Victory motorcycles and no clutch slippage. We have all heard of the clutch slipping issues some owners have had when running Amsoil. I have to wonder if some people are using the wrong Amsoil, for the application, in an attempt to save a couple of bucks. The reason I have to wonder is because Amsoil makes three different 10W-40 synthetic oils at three different price levels. The XL extended life oil is not rated for wet clutches, and is $2 or $3 cheaper than the other 10W-40 oils they sell. If someone were to use it, instead of the Premium or the MC oil, I don't doubt that they would have issues with the clutch slipping. All Amsoil is synthetic, but not all of it is rated for wet clutches. Just wondering why some have problems while many others run it with no problem. I even ran it in a ZX14 with no clutch problems, and that thing put out 178 horsepower stock. Whatever the brand of oil one chooses to run in a wet clutch application, like a Victory, it better have the JASO-MA rating if you don't want to risk having a clutch issue. Some Amsoil products have it, some don't. Ronnie I can't speak for others, but in my case I used the high end-high priced Amsoil 20-50 that they recommended at the time for Vics and for wet clutches and I had serious slipping.? I wasn't cheaping out or using a 'lesser' version.? Now Amsoil specifically shows the 10-40W for Vics but STILL also shows the old 20-50 that I tried.? Since my dealer is not having problems with the 10-40 and uses it, I may try it and see.? But, the slipping problem I had was NOT related to using inferior spec oil or non-wet clutch rated Amsoil. ?
Shoots that theory down doesn't it?
Strange that some folks have clutch slipping issues on various brands of oils while other people using the same oil don't have any problems. It's almost like individual machines have individual wants and needs, likes and dislikes.
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Ruskin, Fl | Mine has never slipped. Just doesn't engage smooth when it's time to change the oil. |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | So my dealer is 50 miles away, and the knuckleheads at the three auto parts stores in my town don't carry a semi syn oil, though one did, but not anymore and the other had two quarts of Lucas (!) which also doesn't do squat. So I took another threads suggestion and bought a gallon of Rotella 15-40 (I think, it's been a couple days) in the blue jug. But of course, being a million years old, I got on here today and rediscovered I need another half a quart. My question: Has anyone used conventional oil to make up the half quart? I even have some Joe Gibbs oil with zinc in it, if needed, but I got Mobil 1, and a bunch of plain old Quaker State 10-40 and some 5-30. It's really getting on my nerves that unlike yesteryear, there's so many special oils for all my different rigs. Too many decisions, can't keep'em all straight. Sumtimes i feel like going back to Russia where the only oil I need is Vodka so I can't feel the frostbite when I pass out in the snow! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | so far in my vision i have use 20w40 victory oil, mobil1 10w40 and 20w50, Amsoil 10w40 and 20w50, Rotella T6 5w40, mobil1 5w40 deisel oil. none caused my clutch issues at all, even riding two up..
now i mentioned before that i know of kawasaki's clutch slippage problem and how it took YEARS before people figured it out to be for them the springs were weak from the factory. They used the SAME clutch but just replaced the springs and all the good again, like when the bike was new. im not saying this is the issue with peoples visions that have clutch slippage. but in the past on another forum people blamed brands of oils meanwhile others with the same bike were having NO issues no matter what oil they used (like me). makes you wonder if there is more to the story than just a Oil... |
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Dallas, Texas | The only thing that I could ever figure out why full syn would cause cluth slippage is because the actual oil molecules are smaller, slicker, and clutch plates might need the larger oil molecules in the semi-syns, that aren't as slick. So, for my oil decision, since I don't rack up the miles that some do, I change my oil twice a year. Summer's get full syn Mobil1 V-Twin or Aimsoil, and the winter gets a semi-syn like Castrol, Motul, etc., but all are 20W/50. In my thought proceses, though they may be right or wrong, I felt like this keeps a balance for the wet cluth, and temp control for the summer months, here in Texas. IMHO |
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Dallas, Texas | rainryder - 2011-05-03 1:19 PM
So my dealer is 50 miles away, and the knuckleheads at the three auto parts stores in my town don't carry a semi syn oil, though one did, but not anymore and the other had two quarts of Lucas (!) which also doesn't do squat. So I took another threads suggestion and bought a gallon of Rotella 15-40 (I think, it's been a couple days) in the blue jug. But of course, being a million years old, I got on here today and rediscovered I need another half a quart. My question: Has anyone used conventional oil to make up the half quart? I even have some Joe Gibbs oil with zinc in it, if needed, but I got Mobil 1, and a bunch of plain old Quaker State 10-40 and some 5-30. It's really getting on my nerves that unlike yesteryear, there's so many special oils for all my different rigs. Too many decisions, can't keep'em all straight. Sumtimes i feel like going back to Russia where the only oil I need is Vodka so I can't feel the frostbite when I pass out in the snow!
Do what I do...order your oil through the internet. Cheaper, usually no tax, depending upon where the Supplier is, and deivered to your door. |
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San Antonio, TX | I changed my oil on Sunday. 22500 miles.
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| I wounder how many have done a burn out or power shifter or have a clutch out of adjustment???
I have run Amsoil in all my bike and even that primary chain bike. Never had a problem with any thing. In the vision I run "motorcycle" Amsoil 10/40 and no problems.
I can do one hell of a burn out on the vision where you all most can't see me.
I do know if you keep switching oil's your going to have problems.
Even Barnett the most popular clutch manufacture says Amsoil is just fine.
Stay with one brand of motorcycle oil. |
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Dallas, Texas | john frey - 2011-05-03 5:47 PM
I do know if you keep switching oil's your going to have problems.
Stay with one brand of motorcycle oil.
There is no research out there that backs this up. As long as the oil has the JASO MA rating, it won't do any harm. |
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