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Puddle Jumper
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Newnan Ga | Okay fella's I'm new to Victory Bikes. My CC just has around 300 miles on it. Are the motors just this loud or do I have a issue. I hate to even ask this with 300 miles on it  When the motor gets really hot and it's idling in neutral it sounds awful. When I pull in the clutch it stops? I only notice this noise at idle, again after it's good and hot. Doesn't do it when it's cold and first started up? Just curious, the oil is between the marks on the stick.
Speaking of that what oil and filter do you guy's use?
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Oklahoma City | Does it sound like a rattling while in neutral? If so my Kingpin did that, never had any problems with that bike either. |
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Newnan Ga | mlockman, that's exactly what it sounds like! Only in neutral have I heard this noise. Victory is completely new to me too. So I'm not sure what they're supposed to sound like. If that's normal then I'm fine with it. Just wasnt sure since it doesn't do it cold? Thanks for the reply!
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Indianapolis, IN | Don't panic, they smooth out considerably with time. Also some oils do tend to quiet the motor and tranny somewhat. Don't bother to ask about oils, just do a search. That topic has been beaten to death multiple times. As I've said in the past, these things are built like mack trucks and that's why the are a little noisy, but rock solid because of it. |
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Newnan Ga | Hoosiervic, that's what I wanna hear. The reason I asked about the oil is the manual called for semi synthetic 20-50 if I remember right? In my last bike I used the Rotella T-6 full synthetic. The bike seem to really like it and I really liked the price  BTW...I know how the oil threads go...lol. That and the mention of running a car tire will keep a thread going for weeks...lol.
Let me ask this....where on the dipstick do these bikes seem to like the oil level? Right now, it's halfway between the full and low marks. On my last bike it was best to keep the oil level right under the full line. (sight glass) I know I can ask the dealer these questions. But I'd rather ask people that actually ride these bikes. And, not just get some generic answer. I'm sure Im hearing a lot if sounds because if the stock exhaust. (which I hate but it'll do for now)
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Pittsburgh, PA | I keep my visions oil dip stick right at the full mark while the bike is sitting upright ... |
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Newnan Ga | Thanks for the reply. I've got about 200 more miles and it'll be time to change the oil. I would go ahead and add a little but not sure what's in it? I'm assuming it's what the manual calls for. But you know what they say about assume...lol. |
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Central Wisconsin | Bullyrider - 2011-06-21 4:54 PM Okay fella's I'm new to Victory Bikes. My CC just has around 300 miles on it. Are the motors just this loud or do I have a issue. I hate to even ask this with 300 miles on it When the motor gets really hot and it's idling in neutral it sounds awful. When I pull in the clutch it stops? I only notice this noise at idle, again after it's good and hot. Doesn't do it when it's cold and first started up? Just curious, the oil is between the marks on the stick. Speaking of that what oil and filter do you guy's use? Thanks in advance, Chuck Hi Chuck, I bet you were thinking WTF is all that noise...lol! I think what your hearing is the torque compensator. From what I understand (never had one apart) the torque compensator is a gear type of connection between the crank and the clutch. Meaning all gears and no chain in the primary. Which I think equals more noise. Somebody is more then welcome to correct me or add to this
Also the amount of oil between the full and add mark is 1/2 quart. Best to keep the oil at the full mark. Bosch 3323 oil filter.
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Newnan Ga | Tom, what oil are you using in your Vision? |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | nuther gaddang oil thread - JUST TAKE IT TO YOUR DEALER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Puddle Jumper
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Newnan Ga | donetracey - 2011-06-22 12:52 AM
nuther gaddang oil thread - JUST TAKE IT TO YOUR DEALER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This ain't a oil thread!!!!!! Yeah, I ask Tom what oil he used...I wanna know. I'm new to the Victory bikes. And I have questions, and I'd rather they be answered by the one's that actually RIDE and KNOW what make these bikes tick. You can take yours to the dealer if you want. I'm a hands on type myself. |
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Indianapolis, IN | Fill it to the line and don't worry. I use T6 is cool weather and 20-50 syn in hot weather. Don't worry about the change interval on long trips, the bike will be fine till you get home, but do check the level of course. I know it's hard to believe at first but these bikes were built first and foremost to ride. Let go and enjoy. ;-) |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | The torque compesator does make noise that people coming from other motorcycles aren't used to hearing. The only other brand bike I ever knew that had one was Vincent................... |
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Houston, Tx | Hell, when I bought my Vision towards end of last year....I thougth I was going crazy! Talk about loud until you hit 5th gear....then she purrrrrrs. I came off a Jackpot, so it wasn't a quite bike but the extra body work on the Vision and the openings between the bars and the console really seem to amplify the engine sounds. There are days I still think about it...but my '10 runs hard and I just keep pushing it and move on.
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Central Wisconsin | Bullyrider - 2011-06-21 11:26 PM Tom, what oil are you using in your Vision? You have email
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Puddle Jumper
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Newnan Ga | Got it.... |
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| If you haven't seen these video you might want to there are 5 short ones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGkFPUeNUqc |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | As we all know, it's not quiter than chain drive, and yeah we know a chain can break, but I've never seen one break in the primary of a motorcycle unless a loose bolt went through it, and don't think a loose bolt wouldn't break or stop the compensator also.................Not slammin just sayin......... |
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| I just bought 2011 Vision a few days ago and I notice the same noise, you are speaking of. It wasn't there at first but now I have about 300 miles on it and when it is idling in nuetral I hear the gear noise. When I pull the clutch in it goes away. Transmission shifts smooth, so I will have the dealer take a listen at the 500 mile check, but it does give me some measure of peace to know you guys have heard a simuliar noise too.
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Brighton, TN | So what is this torque compensator and why does it make noise, and what purpose does it survive for? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | My 2011 vision is noisier in neutral than my 2008, but once moving the transmission is amazing compared to my 08. I did notice that so at with close to 1000 miles that the noise isn't as bad. Plus I'm using amsoil (shh ) that's a bad word! Lol |
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Indianapolis, IN | This is purely my take on a torque compensator based on a number of similar applications in other types of machines. Essentially when you think about it, a v-twin engine with a relatively long stroke such as the Vic Freedom engines, has a very pronounced pattern of "peaks and valleys" as the engine is running at a steady rpm. In other words each time a cylinder fires you have a spike in torque, and in between firings the torque drops off. With a direct drive like a motorcycle has, at low engines speeds such as when taking off or accelerating hard from lower rpms, as opposed to down shifting, that high/low oscillation of the torque output results in hundreds of impact shocks to the drive train that at the least makes for an unpleasant riding experience, and over the long haul could reduce the life of the trans etc.
In simpler terms it serves as a mechanical buffer or shock absorber between the output shaft of the engine and the rest of the drive line to reduce vibration and harshness.
Anybody else feel free to add to or rebut my explanation, feel free. Chris |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I really don't know much about this , I know my buddy who races sports bikes talk about this . he claims it's there so you don't lock up your rear wheel when you down shift ???? |
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Denver, Iowa | Our XC still makes that same noise after 4000 miles. My wife, bless her heart, it's her theory that if you can hear that noise coming from the engine/gearbox, your radio isn't turned up loud enough.
She's a riot!
Amsoil and Wix for us. |
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Central New York | Earplugs! Stops mechanical noise and improves radio clarity. And protects your hearing as a side benefit. |
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San Antonio, TX | Godspeed - 2011-09-15 7:54 PM
Our XC still makes that same noise after 4000 miles. My wife, bless her heart, it's her theory that if you can hear that noise coming from the engine/gearbox, your radio isn't turned up loud enough.
Your wife is a keeper.
Ride Safe! |
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Brighton, TN | Well, I had to try the whole sportbike theory of not locking up the rear wheel while downshifting. So, I got going up around 55, then pulled in the clutch and started dropping gears to first. I got to first somewhere around 40 and dropped the clutch, rpms rose quite quickly to around 5000 or so and the rear tire didn't do anything except for traction and slowing down, quite different from my old KZ1000 whose rear tire would lock up if you did that. Very interesting, that must be one of those cheap ass parts we have in our bikes.
So, then my follow on question would be, would it be installed for safety or performance purposes. If for performance purposes, it seems most of us don't utilize this machine to its fullest potential and there's a racer to be unleashed under all that plastic. This has got me to thinking. What if, you were to remove all the body work and give it some really close skinned exterior like a sport bike, what would it look like. Lose the saddlebags, squish the front end closer to the framework, trim the front fender. Get some handlebars more forward, so you have a bit more of an attack angle. What would this package perform like. What would it look like? |
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New Bohemia, VA | Arkainzeye - 2011-09-14 4:07 PM
I really don't know much about this , I know my buddy who races sports bikes talk about this . he claims it's there so you don't lock up your rear wheel when you down shift ????
if the hoosierdaddy is right, which he is, then your good buddy who races sport bikes knows this also. That is the reason, I believe, you cannot push start these bikes (has anyone proved otherwise?). Let the engine stall while the clutch is disengaged and if you let out the clutch to refire, it will lock up the wheel, been my experience each time I tried to refire in that circumstance.
Also, I accidently hit the kill switch rolling along about 70+ and it keep rolling. Of course, I never disengaged the clutch but it refire when I turn the switch back to RUN. |
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Indianapolis, IN | varyder - 2011-09-17 8:19 PM Arkainzeye - 2011-09-14 4:07 PM I really don't know much about this , I know my buddy who races sports bikes talk about this . he claims it's there so you don't lock up your rear wheel when you down shift ???? if the hoosierdaddy is right, which he is, then your good buddy who races sport bikes knows this also. That is the reason, I believe, you cannot push start these bikes (has anyone proved otherwise?). Let the engine stall while the clutch is disengaged and if you let out the clutch to refire, it will lock up the wheel, been my experience each time I tried to refire in that circumstance. Also, I accidently hit the kill switch rolling along about 70+ and it keep rolling. Of course, I never disengaged the clutch but it refire when I turn the switch back to RUN. I would concur with you VADADDY, and this would make complete sense as far as not being able to roll start these bikes. No I haven't tried it, I'm willing to take the word of a whole host of good folks that have in one way another indicated that it hasn't worked for them. I just chalk it up as another design feature that makes these Vic engines so darn tough. Ya it may make a little noise, but I'm OK with it. (Kinda reminds me of the drive-train of an M1 Abrams tank when they get to really moving.... ;-)
Edited by hoosiervic 2011-09-18 12:15 AM
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seattle, wa | I think you guys are referring to a "slipper clutch". High end sport bikes have them, Visions don't. |
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Southeast Idaho | x2
glighto11 - 2011-09-15 7:46 PM
Earplugs! Stops mechanical noise and improves radio clarity. And protects your hearing as a side benefit. |
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Central Maryland | x3 to the ninth power.
I wear the disposable foam earplugs, you can buy them in large quantities cheap. Gives your ears a nice break from the wind noise, engine clatter and the Visions stereo (mostly the iPod) is very clearer. |
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Motor really loud!