2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra
DrDecay
Posted 2011-07-23 11:38 AM (#91443)
Subject: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


Cruiser

Posts: 277
Apopka, FL

A buddy of mine just purchased a 2011 Ultra Classic six months ago and it is his baby.  I tried to convince him to buy a VVT, but he can’t get over the looks.  His loss.  His GF even likes my ride better.

So, if you learn one thing from this post, DON’T RIDE LIKE HE DID.  Now, he is an experienced rider.  His last Suzuki Intruder S83, he put on over 100k miles, but he just made a mental error.  He was coming to a stop, doing maybe 25 mph.  He hit a patch of sand on the pavement and the rear end started sliding left.  While moving, he puts his right foot down to stabilize it.  He didn’t want to drop his baby.  Immediately, his foot gets propelled backwards and gets caught underneath his saddlebag.  The tibia and fibula + one ankle bone get shattered.  He was able to keep the bike upright, does a U-turn and heads back to his mom’s place.  Mind you, he was 1 mile from my place and could have left it at the filling station right next to him, but shock takes away pain for 10-15 minutes.  Gets back to his mom’s (5 miles) and calls 911.  He never dropped it.

 

Now, after surgery, he is off the bike for at least 90 days.  He is up and about using a walker, but he would like me to “exercise” his HD once a week to keep her charged.  My impressions of the Ultra Classic are much better than the Road King in my garage.  (See:  "Don't want a Road King" )

 

·         Tranny—smooth!—much more refined than 2009 VV.  Need to ride a 2011 VV again to compare

·         Stereo—Harmon Kardon is a much better unit as were the factory speakers

·         Clutch was like butter—Very easy pull!  And it is cable, not hydraulic.  Wake up Victory!

·         Wind protection—adequate but not a VV

·         The Brembo brakes were good—just like my TC.  I've had Schwinn brakes better than the RK’s

·         Vibration—much better than the RK.  It did not blur your vision at a stop as the RK does.  I almost got motion sick at a red light riding the Road King from my blurry vision.  The Ultra vibration was very acceptable

 

Those are the HD’s good points.

 

The Vision gets the nod for:

 

·         Wind protection—much better than UC

·         Seat comfort (stock)—much more support on VV

·         Riding position—so much more room to stretch out on the Vic

·         Handling ability—Ultra was pretty boxy in its handling.  Adequate is all you can say

·         Electric windshield—no comment necessary

·         VV is very nimble

·         Styling—a fresh newer looking design

·         HP/Torque—isn’t even close!  We both have stock engines; and I do realize I have 106 CI vs his 96 CI… but a bike that size should have more punch.  My good old 92 cubic inch TC had snap!  I was riding his Ultra at 65 in 6th gear, downshifted to 5th and goosed it… NOTHING!  Dropped to 4th; now I should be able to JUMP!  Again, NOTHING!  I was dumbfounded at the LACK OF TORQUE for a large V-Twin touring bike!  Yes, I understand if you add about $4k into a HD they will run quite well.  Maybe good enough to keep up with the stock Vics, but come on!  The sheep are so blind purchasing these things.  They are only purchasing the HD family because they can’t believe that all bikes are that gutless! 

 

Overall, the 2011 Ultra is an acceptable ride.  Not my choice but it has its good features.  If Victory keeps improving like they have over recent years, and if more sheep get exposed to them, Victory will keep growing. 

 

 

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XRsteve
Posted 2011-07-23 12:25 PM (#91449 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Georgia, west of Atlanta
You covered about everything..................
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SongFan
Posted 2011-07-23 12:29 PM (#91450 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: RE: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Memphis
These are by far the best kind of comparisons.  Excellent.
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Cap'n Nemo
Posted 2011-07-23 1:06 PM (#91455 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Posts: 1359
New Bohemia, Va
Yep, test rode the harleys a few weeks ago just to see what I wasn't missing. I can say I wasn't disappointed, I found no appeal in them.
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Bearcat
Posted 2011-07-23 1:53 PM (#91457 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Posts: 173
Prescott Valley, AZ
I did the Victory Challenge a couple months back and gotta say I was shocked by the Harley's lack of power. The street glide was a HUGH disappointment!! Grabbed a handfull of the right hand grip and was completely disappointed!! The vibration level underway was okay but coming to a stop is like sitting on a paint shaker, the mirrors are completely useless! And this is "better" than it used to be??????? Glad I chose the Vision in 07 and will NOT look back again.....
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Liandra
Posted 2011-07-23 4:15 PM (#91466 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Posts: 188
Tifton, GA
The 2011 Vision transmission is much better than the 07 Harley I had. I have a friend with a UC Limited with the 103 engine that does good in the power and vibration areas. Like my Vision better.
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opas ride
Posted 2011-07-23 4:28 PM (#91467 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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I am not a Harley rider/fan either, but the new ones 2011/12 are vastly improved over the earlier models...More power and less shake, but nothing as yet that would make me part with my Vision...Rode a 2011 Road Glide Ultra a while back and it was nice, but could'nt wait to get back on my 2011 Vision.....

Edited by opas ride 2011-07-23 4:29 PM
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XRsteve
Posted 2011-07-23 5:06 PM (#91468 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Posts: 2300
Georgia, west of Atlanta
Ya'll know I still have a stonkin 107" RoadGlide, and it's only a wisker slower than My Lloydz cam'ed up Vision, but you can NEVER make a EG or RG as comfortable as a VV, you'd have to cut the frame in half and add six inches. That being said: I'm keeping the RG as a spare or whenever a friend flies in to hangout, but I'll never buy a new HD again until they are a little bigger and loose the pushrods for a modern engine..........
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DrDecay
Posted 2011-07-23 5:10 PM (#91469 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Posts: 277
Apopka, FL
I'm not the biggest guy in the world, 5'8" with 30" inseam. So I should fit the HD UC just fine, but my knees were up level with the tank. Felt like it was a girl's bike!
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SongFan
Posted 2011-07-23 5:30 PM (#91470 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: RE: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Memphis
I test rode an '09 Ultra (got a $150 gas card for my time).  I'm 6'3" with a 35 inch inseam and it was physically impossible for me to do a full lock u-turn in a parking lot.  Was surprised at how smooth it was at speed though.
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Easttexasrider
Posted 2011-07-23 5:41 PM (#91471 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Posts: 244
Lindale, TX
Not built for tall riders. So far, only Victory has figured out a design that accommodates tall riders. Maybe when Yamaha ever redesigns the Royal Star Venture, it will be competition for Victory among tall riders.
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XRsteve
Posted 2011-07-23 6:09 PM (#91473 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


Visionary

Posts: 2300
Georgia, west of Atlanta
On trips over 400 miles there's just no comparison.............
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wroman
Posted 2011-07-23 7:50 PM (#91477 - in reply to #91443)
Subject: Re: 2009 VVT vs 2011 Ultra


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Posts: 432
Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium
My friend from Phoenix should be here tomorrow. He is a long time rider and has over 40K on his 2011 103 Ultra. He has really done alot with the bike. Progressive ft and rear suspension, cams, pipes, tuner, Corbin Seat (he always rides Corbin, new shield, tour trunk relocator. I am probably missing the whole deal. He loves his bike and he rides and puts on miles like a Iron butt rider. He has the time and is OK putting money into the Harley to make it work for him. I had a 2007 and gave up trying to make it work for me. We all make our choices. I don't have the money to play with Harleys.
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