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Puddle Jumper
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| Well I sold my harley and bought a Vision because i love the ride and comfort. Now after 200 miles its leaking like a siv! Not sure if its serious or not.......but i pulled in for gas yesterday and looked down and oil was covering the primary cover and down both sides of the bike on the saddlebags. I limped it 100 miles home to make sure i didnt ruin the motor. After two hours of cleaning oil off of it, i restarted it and took it for a short drive. The oil is coming out of the rear cylinder where the two jugs join. Idling around town its fine, but on the highway its spewing it out like crazy. Naturally the dealer is 90 miles from me and they will not be open until tuesday. Just what i wanted a new bike that has to be rebuilt! My harley buddies will not let me live this one down! Wonder what the dealer will say or do????? Dont get me wrong....I love the bike! Terrible way to start my first post. Wish me luck! |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | Kingr25 - 2011-09-04 6:15 PM
Well I sold my harley and bought a Vision because i love the ride and comfort. Now after 200 miles its leaking like a siv! Not sure if its serious or not.......but i pulled in for gas yesterday and looked down and oil was covering the primary cover and down both sides of the bike on the saddlebags. I limped it 100 miles home to make sure i didnt ruin the motor. After two hours of cleaning oil off of it, i restarted it and took it for a short drive. The oil is coming out of the rear cylinder where the two jugs join. Idling around town its fine, but on the highway its spewing it out like crazy. Naturally the dealer is 90 miles from me and they will not be open until tuesday. Just what i wanted a new bike that has to be rebuilt! My harley buddies will not let me live this one down! Wonder what the dealer will say or do????? Dont get me wrong....I love the bike! Terrible way to start my first post. Wish me luck!
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Puddle Jumper
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| Its a 2011, just picked it up last weekend. With all their discounts and the victory $1000 for military, 5 year warranty. I couldnt beat the price. Now im having second thoughts! I may need the warranty! |
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Tourer
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seattle, wa | Take it back to the dealer. They need to fix it ASAP.
I understand your second thoughts, but the Vision is a great bike.
If it is a new bike with only a few hundred miles, then maybe they will give you a new one?? |
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Iron Butt
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| What do you mean, "where the two jugs join"? Are you referring to the bottom of the rear cylinder were it meets the crankcase? Or ?
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | oh the warranty will cover this with NO problem! and once it is fixed you will love the bike. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| There appears to be a gasket sandwiched between the upper and lower part of the rear cylinder. It looks like its a two part jug. Its not leaking up top around the rockers, and its not leaking around the lower area where they attach to the case. Right in the middle of the cylinder just below where the exhaust connects. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Wish they would give me a new one, but this was the last one they had, and its the vogue silver, i really like the color. |
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Cruiser
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, AR United States | Take it back for warranty work, my 09 seeped a little oil (never enough to drip on the ground). They ended up replacing most of the motor. There were small pits and pores in the casing that apparently wouldn't let the gasket seal. I would have thought that would have been resolved by the time the 2011s came out. Whatever it is they will fix it. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| It will be Saturday before i can get it to them. I hope it will make the 90 mile trip. I may have to trailer it. Either way im probably without a bike for a while. This dealership is new to Victory. They have only been selling them for a year. I hope they know what they are doing! |
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Iron Butt
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| That's the headgasket area you're referring to. Its where the cylinder head mates to the cylinder. That gasket is one big beefy part so I wouldn't think it would leak on its own unless someone neglected to torque the headbolts or one of the castings is defective in the sealing area. That is one big bummer. It is possible to get the valve cover off with the engine in the frame like when changing cams but I doubt anyone can get the head off without pulling the motor. That's one small advantage that Harley has, you can take the entire top end of the motor apart without removing the engine. I'm real sorry to hear this one.
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Iron Butt
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| Is it possible that its leaking from the breather hose located right behind the rear cylinder? How about from the rear chain tensioner? That's the big silver nut looking device at the right rear of the rear cylinder. That thing would make a helluva mess. See if its tight. It has an aluminum washer underneath it.
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Puddle Jumper
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| Yeah i checked both those areas, i was really hoping for something simple. I degreased the hell out of it and had it as clean as new when i took it out for a spin today. Just riding around about 40 to 50 it seems ok, but as soon as i got it out on the highway it starting spewing it out. I pulled over to check and its certainly leaking from that middle gasket, the head gasket right below the exhaust. Thanks for the info!! |
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Puddle Jumper
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| One thing that bothers me is it didnt leak on the way home from the dealer. Thats a 90 mile run. I would think if its a cylinder problem or defect, it would have leaked from the beginning. Im really leary of my dealer pulling the motor out of it. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | your dealer will contact victory and victory will tell them how to trouble shoot it. (pretty easy according to what your telling us) and then they will be informed what needs to be done to correct the problem. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Thanks for the replys! I have done a bit of research online about this and it does not seem to be a common problem. The only other one i read about, the dealer got the guy a new bike. This was a 09 model. |
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Tourer
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northwest florida | get it to the dealer asap! |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | Kingr25,
It is a very rare issue that you have there. I have a 2008 Vision and have been watching and reading about the 106 Freedom engine since it came out. This the first I have heard of a leak in that area.
Let the dealer fix it and you will be fine. Too bad it will have to be in the shop and not on the road for a time. Let us know how long it takes to repair.
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Tourer
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Rare for this to happen on a Vic. Not only would I get it to the shop, make them give you a loaner bike while they fix it. It will do two things, 1) give you some riding enjoyment. 2) you'll have some collateral that will help your bike get fixed quicker, they won't want the loaner bike on the showroom floor for too long. Hope everything works out. Welcome to Victory |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | I seriously doubt they can just give out a Untiltled, Unregistered & Uninsured motorcycle out as a loaner. Not only that but they wont be able to sell it as a New motorcycle and there for take a hit on the price. (its not the dealers fault the vision leaks) The responsiblity of the dealership only comes back to them Fixing it and Not giving a loaner bike. Unless something was signed saying they give a loaner while your bike is being serviced. |
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Cruiser
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Fort Walton Beach, FL | Good luck with your dealings with Polaris... they'll tell you that this "is normal" for this bike and that you must have done the break in incorrectly. LOL |
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Tourer
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | My dealer gave me a loaner when he was working on my bike. It was their demo bike . . . signed it out just like I would for a test drive. They did make a copy of my DL though. Kept it for 4 days. Never hurts to ask. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | Man314 - 2011-09-05 8:28 AM
My dealer gave me a loaner when he was working on my bike. It was their demo bike . . . signed it out just like I would for a test drive. They did make a copy of my DL though. Kept it for 4 days. Never hurts to ask.
you were lucky. there are 6 victory dealerships with in 70 miles of me and None of them give loaner bikes, because none of them have a demo bike just sitting around. that would be nice if they did. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Handyhoward - 2011-09-05 8:28 AM Good luck with your dealings with Polaris... they'll tell you that this "is normal" for this bike and that you must have done the break in incorrectly. LOL Doubt it . . . I think they will do everything possible to get it fixed . . . quietly. The strongest thing Vic has going for it is the dependability of their engines. Just the visual picture in people's minds of oil spewing out of the engine block is a common picture for HD, but not so much for a Vic. I hope the new dealer knows how to handle the situation with Mother Vic. |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | Created a new thread and subject to keep this thread on topic.
Ride Safe
Edited by radioteacher 2011-09-05 9:15 AM
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | there have been previous reports of leaking engines, very few though. One guy across the pond, either downunder or Kiwiland had engine problems like a cracked case. They took care of all them immediately without quams. I don't expect any less from this ordeal. As far as the loaner, that is entirely up to the dealer. If they could afford to do that in all cases they'd never be able to sell their "well-demo'd" bikes. Each mile means a dollar, but if they see the customer relationship benefit, I'd say you'd get one, but don't count on it. Even car dealerships don't always do that.
Hope you get on the road again soon. I can't stand it even when the bike is down for maintenance at the house, but you can't have one without the other.
I've got a few miles on my bike and I have never had any leaking at all that would leave a spot, ever. I have the original sensor that seeps, but I want to leave well enough alone. Maybe I can get that replaced before my warranty runs out. |
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Iron Butt
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| Handyhoward - 2011-09-05 8:28 AM
Good luck with your dealings with Polaris... they'll tell you that this "is normal" for this bike and that you must have done the break in incorrectly. LOL
I think you have Polaris confused with another brand.  |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Taking the bike to the dealer in the morning. They say they can fix it.......but they have never taken the motor out of a vision. I have a service manual, and the whole bike basically has to be disassembled. Im not getting a warm fuzzy on this one. Its like buying a new car and then taking it back a week later and have them take it apart and put it back together again. It will never be the same again. I will probably have more leaking than the rear cylinder when i get it back. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | think positive thoughts. Yes, you bike will be split in two to do the engine work. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | i dont think the whole bike has to come apart. because there is not Sub frame. the motor "should" just drop out with out a super amount of effort. and from my dealers with polaris in the past, the dealer can call polaris directly and get the help they need... |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | the engine is the center support member, no choice but to split the bike. |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-09-07 9:20 PM
the engine is the center support member, no choice but to split the bike.
Yes, if you do it by the book you split the bike in two. But, I was in Arlen Ness's shop in Las Vegas last week and saw a Vision without an engine that was in all respects whole. I think they developed a brace to hold it together while the engine is gone.
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Puddle Jumper
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| Well, i got it to the dealer on thursday, no loaner bike, i guess that was to be expected. On Saturday i gave them a call, and they have not touched yet. I guess my new bike is not a priority. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | i hope the get to your bike in the next few days! |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Keep us posted, please. We don't hear of something like this usually. |
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Cruiser
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Fort Walton Beach, FL | Sounds like you need to prepare yourself for a loooong painful experience... |
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Puddle Jumper
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Robins AFB, GA | Pretty distressing considering we're into a prime riding season, at least here in the south. Don't know where you are. But since you can't ride your Vision, I hope you're "riding" that dealership owner/manager telling him what you think his priority ought to be. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Well, here is another update! Now the dealer says my bike is such a priority that they are clearing the service department of other small projects first, so they can focus primarily on my bike! WOW i feel special........now its been two weeks and i dont think the seats even off of it yet. Oh yeah...my first payments due! |
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Last time I got that line was from a very well recommended independent with a long history of doing excellent work, which must be why he had my old VENTURE ROYALE there from February until September, it took a filing with the Attorney Generals Office and calls to the BBB to finally 'motivate' him, he's since been run out of business and had his KAWASAKI dealership franchise pulled- |
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Cruiser
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Oregon. | Wow. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | No "Lemon Law" where you are. If there is, I would certainly inquire. I would think that a bike that has been in the shop more than on the road would qualify for a new replacement. A call to your State Attorney's Office certainly wouldn't hurt the effort to get wheels between your legs. |
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Visionary
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| If you can afford it have them put cam's in now. Vic will being half the bill any how so you will only have to pay for the front tobe installed.
It would be a great price on your part. |
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