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| So I have some LED's sitting around and want to put them in the 08 vision. So do you think the cross bikes LED turn signal flasher P/N 4013199 will work in a vision. My dealer doesn't know not surprising and same old store he would have to order one. So has any one done this?
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San Antonio, TX | From what I have learned, the flasher is integrated into the computer. It is not a separate unit.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.
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| Then whats the falser relay up front with the fuzz for? |
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Central New York | Teach is correct. Flasher is a function of the autocancel unit on an 08. About $230. and change. 09s and up use a flasher module that's only about $65. They are not interchangeable even with connector changes. 08 uses a technology all it's own. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | So, on any model year, the only solution is to use resistors?
That's what I'm using, but I would pay for a flasher module, if it would do the job. |
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Wichita, Kansas | Try putting them in and see what happens. It will flash at double speed, which I like, personally. Some don't like the speed and add resistors.
Also, your cruise may quit for unknown reasons when LED bulbs are used. Mine didn't and it's an '08. Others have.
If you already have the bulbs, I'd say put 'em in and try it. It may work, it may not, but it won't hurt anything.
If it works and you don't mind the flash rate, you're good. If not, stick in a couple of resistors. Or keep adding LEDs until the power draw equals a light bulb - then you'd look like a Goldwing ;-) |
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Pittsburgh, PA | What's the advantage of the led turn signals, and it is worth the "hassle"? |
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Columbia, SC | Most of the time the advantage I see touted the most is the savings on electrical draw. Bulbs draw many more watts than LEDs. Other advantages are they can be brighter, and they last a lot longer without having to be changed or burning out.
Myself, I wouldn't do it. MY reasons are that the Vision has MORE than enough electrical output to run all bulbs, heated grips and seats, and still plenty of power left for almost anything else you can throw at it. Probably two full heated suits if you really wanted. I think the signals are bright enough (although I would SERIOUSLY recommend putting extra lighting on the trunk if you have one), and if you go with LED turn signals, more than likely they will flash quickly and you'd need to add a load to the line to make it flash normally. Which is more work and more wiring. Also, the resistor or capacitor (or whatever the heck it's called) that you add to the line to make the flashers go back to normal heats up a lot if the flashers are on constantly, so you end up risking burning wires or even more if you use your flashers for a while.
Alexi
[EDIT] - Also, while I wouldn't change the bulbs, I am all in favor of putting ADDITIONAL lights on the bike in the form of LEDs and just tapping into the power of the bulbs already there. Then you have extra lighting, something to cover the duty if a bulb burns out, and it doesn't add much of a load at all to your electrical system.
Edited by sfalexi 2011-09-13 9:29 PM
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | LEDs do offer a wattage savings, I replaced all 10 3157s on my bike, so running down the road I draw about 5 amps less. according to the LED manufacturer, the bulbs I have are 33% brighter as well (looks about that too). I also gained about a 1/4 second response time in how quick the brake light comes on. Hopefully I won't have to change them for about 20 years now.
On the 2010 Ness Vision, If you only replace front or back turn signals with LEDs, you get a rapid blink rate. If you replace both, then they won't work at all without adding resistors. Adding resistors was simple, I used insulated double sided tape and mounted them to the backs of the bulb housings. They do get hot, just like a bulb would. That is why I would consider a flasher module designed for LEDs.
The cruise control also required a small resistor just to keep an uninterupted circuit for it to monitor. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | I have LED tails and turn signals on back end of bike. A dealer down in Florida stated that the 2010 Crouss Country flasher module would be a drop in replacement. I orderered one and put it in. It did not work with my 09 and stiill flashed fast when I tried LEDs on front turns, it wouldn't work at all. The new flasher is still sitting on my work bench. BTW, I do kinda like the fast flash rate I now have, so I'm going to leave it alone |
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Pittsburgh, PA | sfalexi - 2011-09-13 9:26 PM
Most of the time the advantage I see touted the most is the savings on electrical draw. Bulbs draw many more watts than LEDs. Other advantages are they can be brighter, and they last a lot longer without having to be changed or burning out.
Myself, I wouldn't do it. MY reasons are that the Vision has MORE than enough electrical output to run all bulbs, heated grips and seats, and still plenty of power left for almost anything else you can throw at it. Probably two full heated suits if you really wanted. I think the signals are bright enough (although I would SERIOUSLY recommend putting extra lighting on the trunk if you have one), and if you go with LED turn signals, more than likely they will flash quickly and you'd need to add a load to the line to make it flash normally. Which is more work and more wiring. Also, the resistor or capacitor (or whatever the heck it's called) that you add to the line to make the flashers go back to normal heats up a lot if the flashers are on constantly, so you end up risking burning wires or even more if you use your flashers for a while.
Alexi
Im in the same boat as you, i feel the turn signals are bright enough and i feel the charging system and surely handle my turn signals with regular bulbs. I do how ever have the 99 led in the trunk for the extra Brake light.. Our turn signals on the vision is larger than most bike and even most cars! after reading sooooo many posts about electrical issues after people install aftermarket bulbs,wiring etc it just seems like your asking for grief..?
[EDIT] - Also, while I wouldn't change the bulbs, I am all in favor of putting ADDITIONAL lights on the bike in the form of LEDs and just tapping into the power of the bulbs already there. Then you have extra lighting, something to cover the duty if a bulb burns out, and it doesn't add much of a load at all to your electrical system. |
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San Antonio, TX | Damn Spammer is quoting me! If I got a hold of them...what would be left over would fit in a Coach Bag@!@!
Die Spammer Scum!
Ni2Bba2011 - 2011-09-14 1:13 AM
From what I have learned, the flasher is integrated into the computer. It is not a separate unit.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.
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McHenry, IL | Are you really saving any power if you have to put resistors in? You are "tricking" the flasher module into thinking all of the incandescent bulbs are working properly by drawing the same current. |
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Columbia, SC | Bluto - 2011-09-14 9:28 AM
Are you really saving any power if you have to put resistors in? You are "tricking" the flasher module into thinking all of the incandescent bulbs are working properly by drawing the same current.You're saving a lot of power while riding. The only time you'll start to go back to a normal draw would be when the flasher is on (signaling to turn or merge, or using the flashers). So you definitely save power. But even without the LED flashers, you've got PLENTY of spare juice to use for accessories. And unless you're REALLY loading up the accessories, there's no real NEED to use LEDs on the basis of saving power. So that particular reason kinda goes out the window unless you are trying to run all sorts of things at the same time.
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