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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2007-05-20 10:02 AM (#3)
Subject: Impressions of the Vision


Fountain Inn, SC United States
The Vision was on display at Zack's V-twin and I had the opportunity to sit on it (Victory didn't allow me to start her up). My immediate impression was how light it felt bring it off its sidestand. The battery is mounted very low and in front of the motor. The gas tank is also mounted lower than other models and has two sections (using a common filler) that are located forward and on each side of the motor further lowering the center of gravity.

The handgrips are comforatbly located for my 5'10" frame and 33" sleeve. The seat was very comfortable and gave good back support. All buttons & switches are easily accesible with your left hand.

I can't wait to try a demo with the 106 ci., 6 speed!
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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2007-05-29 9:53 AM (#4 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Fountain Inn, SC United States
The price has been released!....
$18,999 for the Vision Street model
$19,999 for the Vision Touring model

I think they'll sell thousands!
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TardisPilot
Posted 2007-06-28 10:22 AM (#54 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


New user

Posts: 1
Do you think they are going to have a "reverse" on it someday?
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Vsion
Posted 2007-07-05 12:35 AM (#93 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Cruiser

Posts: 114
Southeast, AZ United States
I don't really look for a reverse gear anytime soon. The low seat height and ease of handling make it pretty enjoyable to push around. I bet that if enough need is expressed to Victory corporate, they'll look into it.
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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2007-07-05 7:19 AM (#95 - in reply to #93)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Fountain Inn, SC United States
I agree Ken. The seat is low enough for even short folk,that they can get good foot traction to back up. I'dbe more interested in ABS brakes, but I'll have to experience the Vision's linked brakes first.

JAM
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Sparky
Posted 2007-07-12 2:06 AM (#105 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 5
Hey Jeff . . . just found the site and was suprised to see a pic of Jake at the River Run this year (see the other thread). I have had mine on order for quite a while now. I hope the size of the saddle bags are not too big of an issue. Also, I must have the CB and intercom. I sure hope they will install it at the factory. I dread having my dealer take it apart when it finally does come, just to install that item. Harley and Honda Goldwing have that option on the options list . . . why do you suppose Victory does not?
Have you heard any rumors about "bluetooth" headsets . . . . wouldn't that be slick????
Thanks,
Sparky
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choirguy
Posted 2007-07-18 9:28 AM (#117 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 14
CB Audio is definitely an option for the Vision. On the test fleet here in Minnesota (Demos were available on Saturday and Sunday), two of the bikes had CB/Intercom set-ups. The others had scattered options, such as the iPod integrated connector, or just a normal 1/8" mini stereo plug (the last of which is the "standard" option.

I can see why you would want a CB Radio (bike-to-bike communication), but for intercom purposes it would just be better to get some bluetooth helmet intercoms or something like that--no wires, low weight.

I think the #1 selling point of the Vision is going to be the Ergonomics for the rider, particularly for anyone that feels cramped on a Goldwing, Elctra-Glide, or K1200LT. I had about a million positive thoughts of the bike after riding.

My biggest complaints after riding the bike were small...some kind of drive train noise was evident on both bikes (tour and street) that I rode, the FM reception was horrible, and I missed the heel/toe shifter. And one of the discussion points is the side luggage space...I have a feeling that a 2009 Vision may address that issue. It seems that the top box is somewhat easily convertible, as well (4 bolts), pending that you get the cover for the hole that is created when it is gone.

This bike is a winner, and Victory is going to sell a lot of them.
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BATMAN
Posted 2007-07-20 3:54 PM (#129 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Cruiser

Posts: 74
MN.
I rode one Saturday am, and came away pretty impressed. I also heard some drive train noise, and also had a slight problem with radio reception. But I thought the ride was great, no buffeting even at 80mph. Very quiet, very powerful, (though deceptive) and think it's going to handle great. My wife like it as well, except for "calf room" which my TC has more of. The side luggage is the biggest issue I have for the bike, it sucks compared with my TCD. The only other issue I have with it, (as well as all new Vics) is the shape of the handlebars. All the new bikes have the same design, and they just don't feel natural compared with my TCD.

BATMAN.
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SongFan
Posted 2007-07-25 11:39 PM (#143 - in reply to #3)
Subject: RE: Impressions of the Vision


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis
I just put a deposit on a Midnight Cherry Tour Premium, sight unseen. My entire reputation at work and at home is at stake. I am breaking a bunch of my life-long cardinal rules: 1-Never buy a first year model of anything, 2-Never pay sticker, 3-Try before you buy, 4-Talk to an owner first.

I've never even seen one in person.

I'm 49 years old and this is the bike I have waited for my whole life; American, modern, stylish, comfortable, well built, unique. I was going to hold out for an '09 model so that they could get the kinks out with the '08. After extensive research online and talking to my dealer I am convinced that Michael Song and his engineering/design team have this thing as right as they can get it. It's a machine, so it won't be perfect, but I believe in the dedication of every Victory employee that has put their blood, sweat and tears into this bike. The feeling behind the Vision goes way beyond corporate hype. Their desire to build the best motorcycle on the planet is palpable. Everybody from my local mechanic to the CEO of Polaris is committed to making this thing a smash hit. I honestly believe that this is the opening shot of something really big.

The Vision sells itself. The design team knows it is not a universal look. To those who don't like it, so what. They are not the target audience. I think it looks like Raquel Welch (insert your own curvy dream babe here) on wheels. I would buy it on looks alone, just because it is American and for the uniqueness of it. The fact that it is being built buy a company with the highest J. D. Powers rating in the industry is too good to be true. Watch the video of the design team (on the Victory Vision home page under the Gallery tab) as they describe what was going through their minds as the put this thing together. You can see it in their eyes. They are committed to building the best bike in the world. They are not living in anyone's shadow anymore.

I love the quote by Gary Laskin, Product Manager: "It's gonna be one of those bikes that, 30 years from now, it's gonna be in a museum and people are gonna look back and their gonna think - That's the bike that fundamentally changed the design of American motorcycles."

For those of us on the leading edge of this wave I think it is a once in a lifetime chance to really influence the future of how American motorcycle riders are perceived. Vision riders have a huge responsibility to live up to the standards of this bike. We should be the most positive group of riders on the planet. We don't have to bash Harley, Honda, BMW or anybody else to get our point across. If Victory, as a company, and we, as their representatives on the road, do this right, a lot people (wives included) will beg to get onboard.

I can't wait.
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CoolHandLuke
Posted 2007-07-29 11:47 PM (#155 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Iron Butt

Posts: 849
, FL United States
I just got back from Atlanta & my test ride was great. It'll take a few days for this big grin to go away. I'm an "old guy" (61 next weekend) & like the Vis for the following: quiet, smooth acceleration & braking (even in the rain), most comfortable seat I've ever sat on. Co-rider said she could probably sleep back there on a long ride - it's that comfortable for her. There was a bit of motor noise but the 4 speaker stereo took care of that perfectly. I think I'm going to enjoy the long runs I have planned for us (me,Laura & Vis). Can't wait for it to get here. Tomorrow would be nice lol

Edited by blwtf150 2007-07-29 11:48 PM
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badnvegas
Posted 2007-08-05 5:15 PM (#173 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Cruiser

Posts: 175
Colorado
Songfan.....you won't be disappointed! You have a fantastic machine! Two up this bike rocks....

Edited by badnvegas 2007-08-05 5:15 PM
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SongFan
Posted 2007-08-23 1:13 PM (#266 - in reply to #3)
Subject: RE: Impressions of the Vision


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

The regional rep from Kentucky brought one in last night.  He arrived at Bike Night with a black Street, basic edition.  (It was still over 100 degrees on the parking lot, pretty miserable.)  It was for show only, no rides.  I spent about two hours around the bike and came back with these impressions:

It is almost like three bikes in one.  The first bike is the front end.  It is so big.  When you stand back from it and look at it head on, all lit up, it is truly amazing.  You get the feeling that no one can miss this thing coming at them.  (But you know they will, somehow.)  It is all about function.  You see the braided stainless brake lines.  The front end's purpose is to light your path, channel air to the engine and protect you from the elements.  The fairing is four feet across, tip to tip.  This is the bike that will alert you to other traffic and shield you from the weather.

The second bike is the view from the saddle.  It is all about comfort and ergonomics.  Everything is where it should be.  You will catch yourself thinking about what you don't have to think about.  Where should my feet go?  Don't think about it.  I won't need highway pegs.  Will the seat be comfortable?  Don't think about it.  Will the displays be clear enough?  Don't think about it.  The blue dash lighting is truly gorgeous.  I could see how guys with small hands would have to reach to turn on the cruise control with gloves on. I would just turn the cruise on as soon as I start the bike and have it available from then on.  The mirrors were not an issue with me.  Yes, you can see your hands, but they take up about 1/4th of the bottom of the view.  The mirrors are totally adjustable and I see no problem there.  The seats are really wide.  Like so many have said before, taking it off the kickstand is truly amazing.  It is unbelievably light.  I haven't ridden the bike yet but I get the impression that the input from the saddle is going to make you reprogram your senses to get them in alignment.  Your eyes see one thing (huge) but every other sensory input is telling you something much smaller and lighter.  It is really quiet.  I was about 30 feet away and saw the rear tail light come on and thought they had just turned the key to show off the lighting.  Then I heard him gun it a couple of times and realized it was running.  It was Goldwing quiet.  Judging from the guys who have ridden it, another sensory aligment session will be telling yourself you are on a v-twin.  The smoothness will have you convinced otherwise.  Of course, tapping into the torque available will help remind your brain what you are on.  (Another reason I am going with the Stage 1 kit is because it is a v-twin.  It somehow doesn't seem right for it to be that quiet.)  This is the bike you will bond with.

The third bike is the show and tell bike.  This is the one parked at the gas pump or in a parking lot.  This is where you really notice how well the engine is framed.  I love having the big 106 c.i. spelled out on the side along with 6 speed down on the tranny.  It answered so many questions without anyone having to ask.  Guys would look at the bike, then at me and all I would say is "109 foot pounds of torque." and they would look back at the bike and say "Niiice."  You notice how big those Victory medallions on the side are.  (Think champion rodeo belt buckle.)  This is where you really notice the curves of the bike.  You open the saddlebags just to watch the hydraulics kick in and gently lower the side of the case, like an air lock.  You have the crowd stand behind the bike and you turn the key, just to watch the rear tail light come on.  This will get a "wow" every single time.  Then, while it's still lit up, you show them the dash lighting.  Another "wow".  Then you turn the key all the way to the left and open the fuel door.  (Probably not a "wow" but definitley a "cool".)  This is the bike that will force you to change your schedule.  You will always be late if you need to get gas or stop somewhere to eat.  This bike is the supermodel you came to the party with.  No one will remember what you looked like.

Even though I haven't ridden it yet, seeing it in person solidified everything I thought it would be.  The guys at my dealership who have ridden it and guys on this forum, like badnvegas, have all said "You are going to love it.  It will be better than you imagine."  They are right.  It is so well thought out and so well engineered that the designers have answered questions that I didn't even know to ask.  The rep dropped it on it's right side, away from the kickstand and just let it drop.  Then he picked it up...easily.  This bike will fit anybody.  Think about that.  How can they get so many things right, first time out? 

I subscribe to five different motorcycle magazines and this bike has been on the cover of every one this month.  My favorite quote so far is out of RoadRunner - "...anyone normally afflicted with first-model-year jitters can stop worrying.  Vision prototypes were subjected to 2,322,000 miles of combined on-road and lab environment testing.  Coupling that with fact that Victory scored top-dog honors in the J.D. Power and Associates 2006 Motorcycle Competetive Information Study, it's a safe wager we're looking at another winner."  Another writer, from Motorcycle Consumer News, said that he could not get the bike to scrape in a turn, even though he tried.  In fact, none of the 40 guys he rode with heard it scrape once in a two-day, 500 mile ride.  Unbelievable.

No ABS?  No big deal, it's coming.  No heel-toe shifter?  No big deal, easy aftermarket fix.  I personally like the extra footroom.  Saddlebags are too small? I think it's an optical illusion.  I'll bet they hold more than you think.  Wait and judge for yourself. 

The bike I saw was a bare-bones Street edition.  Absolutely bottom of the line, entry level.  If you stand back and honestly look at what these guys have done, you just have to way "wow".

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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2007-08-23 6:46 PM (#267 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Fountain Inn, SC United States
Tom - great review. I have to agree on just about every one of your observations. In my review I suspect I got a preproductiion model. I have since heard through in-the-know sources that many of the issues discussed have been addressed in the production bikes by either fixes or optional accessories.
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SongFan
Posted 2007-08-25 12:02 PM (#270 - in reply to #3)
Subject: RE: Impressions of the Vision


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Thanks Jeff,

Additional observation:  My dealer laid it down in the showroom (on it's right side, away from the kickstand) a couple of days after Bike Night and I got to pick it up (after taking a bunch of pictures.)  I would say it is about like dead lifting 120 lbs. I have really long legs and getting my butt down to the center of seat and using my legs was the hardest part.  Shorter guys (and girls with the right technique) will be able to get it upright with no help if need be.  Just don't go too far.  It seemed to get vertical rather quickly.  I picked it up from the right side, facing away from the bike with my left hand on the throttle grip, clutching the brake, and my right hand gripping the grab rail.  Feet shoulder width apart, back straight, butt in the middle of the saddle.  Lift with legs and it was back on the kickstand before I knew it.  If you have help around, always use it.  If you get stuck alone and drop it, any Vision driver should be able to pick it up and get back down the road, no harm, no foul.

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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2007-08-26 7:08 AM (#271 - in reply to #267)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision - my 2nd ride


Fountain Inn, SC United States

Had the opportunity to ride a Vision again yesterday near Boston as one of the scheduled demo rides. The whole thing is run by The Skip Barber Racing school from CA. They have you watch a quick Victory marketing video and give you a chance to get your photo in a Vision in front of a Victory backdrop. Victory engineers are there to answer any questions and give good insight into how they put things together. If you get the chance to go to one of these demo rides, find the engineer and ask lots of questions. You'll get info straight from the people who designed the bike.

For instance, some here at Vision-Riders (including myself) have questioned the design of the mirrors. In my first ride, I said I couldn't see directly behind me (my 6 o'clock view). I question the engineer about this. he said that they spent time on that very issue and that you can in fact see behind you, it's just that with your hands in the mirrors it give the impression of blocking reward view. They designed the faring so that the left & right mirror views actually intersect approx 15ft directly behind the bike. In my 2nd demo ride, I confirmed this. I think because the mirrors use convex glass and show things farther away, this adds to the illusion that your 6 O'clock view is blocked. With the mirrors properly adjusted, I could see the bike behind me. However, in that position, the 4 & 8 o'clock views were limited.

One other issue I asked him about was the engine heat. He said they did spend time on this and thought they had resolved it. I purposefully rode a Vision that had the lower air deflectors. Again, the heat was very noticeable, even at highway speeds. I moved the deflectors everywhich way to see their effectiveness. The do cool the legs to some degree. The best position I found was to turn the leading edge out all the way which forced more air between my legs and the engine. This had the reactive effect of cooking the outside of my legs and blowing hot air up to my torso. Weird. I'll leave it to the fluid dynamics / wind tunnel guys to explain it.

So to summarize a long-winded post. The mirrors can see behind you but it may cut down on your rear-side visibility. The engine heat issue still exists for this rider. The deflectors only allow you to decide what part of your leg cooks first. Lastly, I was impressed with the engineer's interest in my feedback and his desire to "get it right". Let's see what the future brings!

On the side, cooling off,
JAM

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ozbarron
Posted 2007-08-26 5:11 PM (#275 - in reply to #271)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision - my 2nd ride


New user

Posts: 2
Many hate the looks. Me, I kind alike it. They're offering demo rides, so I signe dup, went down this AM and checked it out.

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/Vic...ion/Experience/

First things:

The front of the bike is no where near as freakish in person (in my opinion) as it is on the site. I wonder if Victory is actually accenting the front in their images? same with the 'pod' on teh back of the Tour model, doesn't look out of place, to me. It IS a striking, unique motorcycle, it won't be mistaken for 'yet another HD clone'

The folks at Victory really have the system down. Clear signage (where to register) very welcoming, polite, and friendly. They show you a video telling you about the cool things on the motorcycle (low CoG, Adjustable controls everywhere, 6 speed overdrive, comfy, etc etc etc), so yes it's a sales pitch, but that's why they're there after all, so no biggie.

then off to the ride. Again, introduced the leaders, talked over the rules, and we headed towards our assigned rides. I chose a "Street", no back POD, as an 800 lb bike already concerned me.

So, I geared up, saddled up, and braced myself t pick up an 800 lb bike, and WOW, it popped right up like it was nothing! Seat height is low, and even I could get both feet to the ground, so was feeling a bit better about the handeling. The seat, for a 30 minute ride, was comfortable. LONG footboards, so you can move around a lot. After figuring ot how to start it (D'OH! key was off) we all gave the thumbs up, and we were off.

Ergos were good, I had no problem reaching the bars, and could sit pretty relaxed and upright. the shifter and brake would need to come back a bit more for me (cause I'm hobbit-like) but I could get to them just fine.

Handeling is light and very quick. It's an 800 lb touring bike, but I had no problem manuvering in the parking lot , down the long driveway and pulling onto the road among the sleepy SUV drivers. I gotta say, very quickly, I completly forgot this thing weighed so much, it never felt like it at all! Ok, except once when I didn't stop as smoovly as i could have and had to put put both fet down to balance the bike, and I felt a bit of teh weight, compared to my lil 500+ lb Viagro.

So,we're of down a typical Boston area road, meaning crappy, full of potholes, tar snakes, ridges, frost heaves and sleepy SUV drivers desperate to get to Starbucks before mass. I'm having a BALL! he bike was responsive, easy to go S-L-O-W, brakes seemed fine to me (again, it's a tourer, not a sport bike) and I did have to dig into 'em at one point when the "Big Dog" hot rodder had to try and do a burn out down teh road passing me on the right then coming up FAST to the next guy in line.

Did some bobbing and weaving on the roads, we took a couple of turns, and I felt comfy and in control of the MC at all times, very light steering, just look and go, nice throttle input, smoove indeed.

Now, onto the big slab. Yeah baby! Got up to 80 into 6th gear, and N wind. None. I put the screen up and down, still no wind. I ended up pushing my visor all teh way up and crusied down teh highway.

The MC was very very SMOOVE, comfy, and felt like a performance luxury car (like a Saab 95). The engine is a BIG twin (106 c.i.) but I didn't experience the shakes that even my lil Viagro sometimes gives me.

Was I impressed? yep.

So, down sides, there were pre-production, demo machines, so there was some clunking of the shifter, teh electronic display of gear number was WAY behind me at every step, so i tried to ignore it. I also fely a fair amount of heat coming from the engine. Now, the air deflectors on the bike I was riding were not set for best air flow in teh heat, so that may have helped. It was around 80, VERY humid, I was wearing riding pants, and we wee moving, so it was no big deal, but 95, humid, and NOT moving, it would be a hot time in the ol' cockpit tonight.

Pricing is very GoldWing/HD/BMW-like, 19k to 22K+

After the ride, I chatted with a couple other folks of various shapes and sizes, and all felt he ergos were very nice, quite a few talked about the heat from the engine.

So, I'd say, go check 'em out, and I rally think it'll be a MC to watch in the LuxoTruck touring motorcycle category. I also think it's great that there are TWO 'merican made machines with different approches.
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badnvegas
Posted 2007-08-26 9:53 PM (#279 - in reply to #3)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


Cruiser

Posts: 175
Colorado
OZ, its interesting to me that you felt heat from the bike and that I hear it as often as I do. We were not stuck in traffic and were moving for our 535 mile ride so I am hoping you can give me some insight into what conditions created this sensation.

Was it under low speeds, standing still, moving at higher speeds? How long did it take for you to notice?

Is the sensation greater on one side versus the other or on both sides? Where does the heat hit you, whole leg, foot, calf? Was your ride strickly in high traffic?

Was there a cross wind present that may have forced toward you?

There may have been factors I am not considering feel free to present them. I am simply interested in hearing why so many point it out as a flaw when I rode the same machine for a 9-10 hour day and didn't encounter the same sensation.



Edited by badnvegas 2007-08-26 9:59 PM
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ozbarron
Posted 2007-08-27 9:10 AM (#280 - in reply to #279)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the Vision


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Posts: 2
Fair enough Bad - the heat wasn't terrible at all, on my ride, as I was wearing riding pants. I think it may have been more right side, but I'm not sure, and yes, it was tooling in town when I noticed it. We were also moving, 20 to 40 mph mostly, so I'd feel the heat. It wasn't oppressive, but compared to my 1100 lil Viagro, it was definitly more heat. Moving along was fine, but I felt enough to think that stop and go (happens even on the highways here) might be a problem for some, but again, I dunno. I tend to believe that te Vic engineers have looked into this stuff and that if I'm sitting on the highway in 95 degree heat stopped that letting the mchine idle is not gonna melt it, but I wanted to pont it out as I noticed it. It wasn't overwhelming, but definitly noticable, even when we stopped at teh end. After switchng off, I did hold my hand (right side) over the engine, and there was a fair about of heat dissipation going on.

As far as when I noticed it, it was pretty quick actually. And, I noticed it on my calf, well, right at the engine.

As to why you ddn't notice it, I don't know. Like you say, you were moving the whole time, maybe you had the deflectors optimized, maybe you're much more tough then I am

But like I also said, i really enjoyed riding it!
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